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All this because some people didn't like Jason Todd.
this is different from the one i read. is this the original ending? or was the one i read the original? (true man's full appearance wasn't it that one iirc, it was just him as the storm and the brat pack don't survive)
>and then superman came back as a white ghost>and he put them in a giant bell>and he laser visioned the bell>the endwhat
>>153985530It was the new one here's the original.
I do prefer some aspects of the other alternate ending, not show True-man at all, and the fact that everything goes crazy as just he's about to arrival makes his return more imposing.
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>>153985485so wait, was the buttler in on it or not?because this gives the impression he was the one who set up the explosives and was in on it so why do they thin the priest was blasphemy?
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>>153985757The end
>>153984939>>153984950>>153984982I feel like the writer made a pretty big jump in behavior with these characters.
I've been trying to find words to say about either endings but I just come to one. Why? Why change it in the first place?
>>153985928they were mindbroken from AAAAAAAIAAAAAAAAH YAMETE KUDASAAAAAAAAAAAAI side kick rape life
Didn't like how Wild Boy went from just as brain damaged and burnt out as you'd expect from a young teen being fed a steady diet of booze and drugs to perfectly articulate but with the same onscreen actions and body language. If he wanted Wild Boy more coherent so he could say something important he could've split the difference and made him stutter and trail off here and there to lessen the dissonance with the artwork.
>>153985928It's got that fairytale feeling. Huge narrative changes without much character depth.
>>153985928IIRC the climatic scene at the church happens roughly a year after they get inducted as sidekicks. That's plenty time for their minds to break from the abuse and the lifestyle.
>>153985778Thanks for the improvised storytimeI do hope it never get an tv series or anyshit like that, nowaday directors and productions change things in the story to make them more in 'tone' with the times instead of respecting original idea, you can tell they would make Mink and Moon Mistress in a more endearing way
>>153985957Probably felt there was a tonal dissonance over blasphemy being played straight, it takes away from the story's aesop: the heroes are complete phonies.that said true man returning with a Ming China style ponytail doesn't look visually as good as him being pure energy.That said there aren't *that* many parallels with The Boys. Bratpack talks about consumerism leading celebrities to dehumanize themselves for power while The Boys talks about multi national corporations being evil and incompetent with a side dish of celebrities being just a bad thing.Like one talks shit about Dan Schneider and the other talks shit about Nickelodeon letting Dan Schneider happen.
>>153986049The dialogue rewrites change the context.
>>153986154>story's aesop:*stories central plot element
>>153985778Thanks for the dump. It's definitely an interesting commentary but I don't think you could call it "what The Boys should have been" because they do discuss different things through the lens of superheroes. Also, I get the comparison because they're both edgy, but The Boys is just tasteless and tacky and way, way too focused on sex, and Brat Pack is a comic with gay batman, whore wonder woman, and prison gay robin, and somehow it doesn't feel tacky like The Boys, probably because it doesn't run the whole nine yards with it.
>>153985778I'm not sure which ending I like better, but this one makes it clear Fredo wasn't working for Black October in the Doctor Blasphemy persona. It's not at all clear what he was trying to do in the revised ending.
>>153984905The homophobia in Marshal Law felt much more tasteful
>>153986205Bratpack seems like it is sympathetic for its victims. The Boys seems more angry at the abusers. Starlight's original storyline would've have her be a joke character and be the punching bag of the Seven.
>>153986343Annie started out as a joke, and was actually going to degenerate further in terms of the shit she'd put up with, the degradations she'd suffer just to be in the world's premier super team. But I found myself writing Hughie moping in Central Park, and then to my great surprise I saw Annie coming walking down the path. That was when I realized I wanted to take her in a different direction, make her stronger and more rounded... I probably felt a bit guilty about Annie and ended up treating her a bit more responsibly as a result.-Ennis
>>153985604The priest was Blasphemy in the original pitch but it was later changed. I'm fairly sure it was changed partway through making the comic, which is why Blasphemy attacked the previous Chippy in the church's bell tower.
>>153986158Yeah, this was the page it needed Overral, I liked it. Its sad, but at least there is the implication that the perpetrators will face their doom, and will panic knowing its coming.But the storyline regarding Blasphemy and the priest is still a bit confusing to me, specially in the original ending.
>>153986474When I read this I was a little surprised that Judge Jury was meant to be Captain America. Kid Vicious has the patriotic costume, but Jury doesn't. He seemed like a Punisher expy to me with his black-and-white thinking and his focus on punishment as an end unto itself.
>>153986474Moon Goddess feels like the one that changed the most, and I'm still not sure if she is a satre of feminists or fake feminist rhetoric. The author seems at the same time to poke fun at the idea that walking around as fanservice being feminist, but also criticize spiteful feminism that is incapable of seeing men and women happy together.
>>153986557faggots and feminazis both thought the author supported themso take your pick
>>153986557She ended up aging too well, pretty much warrior woman before her time.
>>153986527The flying burning cross is an aestethic hard to pin in any other character. (also its kind of metal, even tho I got what he was going with)
>>153986479Fredo left his bag behind with the Blasphemy mask in it. The priest found it and it gave him the courage to finally hang himself.I don't understand why Fredo would go to the trouble of showing them the contracts just to blow them up, though. And in the new ending, it still appears to be the case that the vigilantes didn't know Fredo was Blasphemy even though they did know he was planting the bomb.
>>153986590Being honest I don't see how you can have that vision. Mink is basically the worst aspects of gay culture under a spotlight.
>>153986557She was meant to be a jealous parent, ie a mother who doesn't like that her daughter is prettier than her. Luna 1 had an eating disorder because of Moon Goddess but because she dies shortly after being introduced this isn't explored.I suspect this was changed because it would require a lot of setup to do right, while all the guys (racist, immature, gay) are much easier to portray.
>>153986661Anon, that's what gay culture is. Why do you think monkeypox spread to gay men, children, and dogs?
This is very silly to me but Father Dunn not being Dr. Blasphemy pisses me off. I’d rather something be predictable but make sense thematically than be a surprise for no reason.
>>153986683Yeah its what I'm saying, I don't see how this can be seem as pro-gay. Tbh It does paint being cruel to them as bad too, but if you get to know a bunch of gay dudes you will find plenty of stories of guys like Mink out there.
>>153986662Not to mention she very blatantly uses her teenage sidekick as bait, lets her get sexually assaulted (even raped if what Luna II says in the church is any indication) and then fucks with her head using that hateful rhetoric. Pay attention to the scene in the stadium and the aftermath, it's all a deliebrate setup. Wonder if there's a vicarious element to it, as in she pressures Luna into becoming a jaded nympho to feel pretty and desirable by proxy instead of a busted carcass of an old hag. She even lies about her age.
>>153986736just look at hollywood
>>153986662Moon Goddess also gave Luna 1 acne with the sweets.
>>153986736He kills homophobes that absolves him of all crimes.
>>153986234>It's not at all clear what he was trying to do in the revised ending.I don't think so, picrel>>153986479>But the storyline regarding Blasphemy and the priest is still a bit confusing to mePriest thought that it was appropriate to kill himself with Blasphemy's mask because he felt like a villain. He helped the "heroes" by helping them obtain sidekicks, and he was aware of all the bad things happening to them. He wasn't Blasphemy, the buttler left the mask
>>153986683I think children are only getting it in Africa, where it's endemic like the flu.
>>153986801And the butler isn't even acting in that page, there's no one there
>>153986801But when they pulled the mask off the priest's corpse, they reacted as if they'd just discovered Blasphemy's true identity. That makes no sense if Fredo was just using the persona to kill the kids like they'd asked him to.
>>153986642My interpretation is only King Rad knew he was the true mastermind.
>>153986861I don't think that his real target were the kids. In other words, I don't think that he was working for them.
>>153986801>>153986838>>153986862>>153986861Regardless of your position on it, I think we can agree that it was vague, but not in a good way and could be handled better. Its like he had to many ideas and mixed them up, then tried to untangle with another ending, but it remmained all mixed.
>>153986603>The flying burning cross is an aestethic hard to pin in any other character.Yeah, him being a turboracist makes him stand out from any big-name hero.But I just don't see how a judge in an executioner's hood who's constantly rambling about immigrants fits Captain America. He doesn't even seem to like America very much, he just hates immigrants.
>>153986925In the revised ending he absolutely was working for them. They knew he was the one who planted the bomb.In the original ending he doesn't appear to be, and my confusion is instead why he would show the kids they're being exploited and then kill them immediately afterwards.
>>153986989>and my confusion is instead why he would show the kids they're being exploited and then kill them immediately afterwards.Saving them from this hell, agent of chaos
>>153986642>I don't understand why Fredo would go to the trouble of showing them the contracts just to blow them up, though.He wanted to give them a chance to discover the truth before he killed them.
>>153986938Yeah, it seems like Doctor Blasphemy's position in this whole thing is a little confused, and the revised ending didn't quite change enough to fix that.Probably would need some new pages inserted throughout and not just in the ending to really tie everything up with a neat bow.>>153987041>>153987064But why kill them at all? If he just wanted to hurt Black October, showing them the contracts would've done that.
>>153986989Closure and Betrayal? It was said the bodies needed to be intact for the heroes to collect the royalties but now they won't get their money and can't continue being heroes.>>153984939Compare the dialogue changes.
>>153985757IMO that last panel with Fredo can't be improved on, just the utter contempt
Ending fuckery aside, I think this is the best criticism of side-characters and forced sidekicks anyone has ever made.
>>153987139Interesting. I wonder why this was changed. Maybe Veitch realized it was a little odd that the sidekicks didn't notice all the merchandise?
By what you guys said there is more to this universe? Does it expand on any of the characters that show up here?
>>153987240There's a comic called Maximortal that's about True-Man but I haven't read it. I'm not sure if it's a prequel or a sequel.
>>153987240i think immortaman or whatever has his own comicbut including it kind of runs contrary to the point of bratpack to begin with
>>153987240>>153987260>tfw comics were falling for the connected universe meme before cinema fell into the trap
>>153987103Killing them fucks with Black October's contracts before Black October is ready to get rid of them on their own, and also Black October must have some method of tracking them. I doubt the sidekicks have it so easy as to walk away.
>>153987302>I doubt the sidekicks have it so easy as to walk away.Sure, but they could fight and kill Black October. The kids already hate them, they just need to get mad enough to turn on them. Like beaten dogs.
>>153987299Comics were doing shared universe shit in the 40's. Maybe the 30's.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Winners_Squad
>>153987352what a disaster for everyone
>>153987372Also, Lovecraft and his friends were constantly referencing each other's works in their own which arguably counts, and that was before Superman existed. Conan the Barbarian is technically part of the Cthulhu Mythos.
>>153986661Back in the day they didn't think they needed to hide it so just portraying it was seen as an endorsement. A similar mindset permeates the censors today
>>153987432True but a lot of the time they straddled a fine line between actually taking it seriously and just giving an Easter Egg shout out to their friends.
>>153987328>Sure, but they could fight and kill Black October.That's very optimistic and near impossible given the sidekicks' experience levels, knowledge, and access to tech and that's not counting their mental states. Best they could do would be to collab with Dr. Blasphemy and create a trap, but maybe half of the sidekick group still has brains and/or sanity to pull that off.
>>153987541Kid Vicious could definitely do it. He's like a rabid dog.
>>153987437Fun fact: NAMBLA is one of the original gay advocacy groups. They even openly used slogans such as "Sex by eight or else it's too late!" and "Recruit! Recruit!" (as in, groom young boys into the gay lifestyle). These are well-documented historical facts, but if you mention those little tidbits today you'll get screamed at, deplatformed and possibly arrested or mobbed.
>>153987629Eh being a rabid dog is not ideal when you want to do trickery. By the way I'm reading Maximortal/True Man, and now I get what he meant by "says something very alien nobody understood".
>>153987221The story changed from them being used for profit to being corrupted by their flawed mentor.Original:New Chippy prevents the priest from killing himself because he doesn't want him to take the easy way out.Tells him how his life is miserable.Blasphemy shows them the contracts and kills them.The heroes get punished for their greed.New:New Chippy prevents the priest from killing himself to tell how his life has improved.Blasphemy wants them to open the bomb casket before they die.New Chippy discovers the truth and shares his blood with the other to give them healing powers.The heroes regretfully kill them because it was supposed to be a secret that they all had the healing blood.The heroes get punished for being bad parents.
>>153987719>Blasphemy wants them to open the bomb casket before they die.He wanted them to open the bomb casket because it would kill them. Chippy disarmed the detonator, and Black October had to blow them up with a missile as their back-up plan.>>153987707>"Sex by eight or else it's too late!"This was the slogan of an unrelated pedophile group, which may have been run by just one crazy guy.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Guyon_SocietyNot that you're wrong about NAMBLA being involved in early gay rights advocacy, but I'm not aware of anything suggesting they were advocating specifically for converting kids into homosexuals.
>>153987919Nice try, fudge packer.https://youtube.com/watch?v=ArOQF4kadHA
>>153987964Making assertions with no evidence and deflecting when politely disagreed with will not convince anyone that you're anything other than a slanderous freak.
>>153987989>all the times we openly bragged about wanting to molest and groom people's children into becoming gay don't count because uuuuuh they don't dont okI just posted evidence and got way more as well, that video link was just an opening volley. Go get your poz loads somewhere else, fairy boy.
>>153987919I recently learned about "lunch after 12" being a saying in South Africa about teaches dating their students.
>>153988104You're moving the goalposts from "NAMBLA openly advocates for converting kids to homosexuals" to "gays expose kids to sexual fetishes." You've been debunked and now you're pretending the veracity of some other, lesser claim makes your first claim true.By the way, have you actually seen that video? They aren't literally talking about molesting kids. It's an optics nightmare but it isn't a confession anymore than Trump's new aliens.gov site is a confession that there are space aliens infiltrating our society.All you have to do is show me a NAMBLA activist publicly saying "we need to have sex with kids to make them gay" and I'll admit you were right. If all you can do is point out lesser crimes, committed by other gay groups, and pretend that proves the more serious ones then you're a dishonest simpleton.
Guys, anyone that enjoys Brat Pack even on a passive level should read the Maximortal saga, it's Veitch's lifework, only gets better with every chapter, and it's about to end this year. You won't regret it. Brat Pack was just a taster.
>>153988264I was thinking about checking it out.I just saw Veitch wrote The One which I'd previously heard was worth reading as well.
>>153986989Well he was planting the bomb, but I think that they never said or at least referenced him impersonating Blasphemy. >>153985380>I'm not sure. Where's the uniform?Just the uniform, without the mask? Here>>153985485I guess that he left it with the priest so that they didn't suspect it was really him, maybe he was going to drop the Blasphemy thingAnd here >>153985319 he wasn't responding neither because of the storm nor Maximortal, compared to >>153985485Unlike the original ending, this guy didn't kill them
>>153985604>>153985567It's explained more in Maximortal and the other specials, from what I recall his end goal was getting rid of TrueMan and the other heroes - he helped set up their deaths but became Dr Blasphemy to try and scare off the kids to save their lives. The whole big Maximortal saga isn't done so it's not fully explained yet
>>153988419Oh, it gets expanded on in Maximortal? I was thinking it may have been more of a spin-off than a sequel.
>>153988437No, technically it's a prequel - the Bratpack Super Special bridges the plot picking up right after the revised ending, then jumps back between the present and the two Maximortal books. Allegedly there's going to be a third Maximortal book before the big grand finale but realistically Veitch isn't going to finish it before he croaks at this rate.
Okay I am lost here...So Superman in this version is also like Doctor Manhattan?Maybe I read this too fast, but when this transformation occurs and why is just now that he appears and why is he going to punish them?Part of me likes the EC comics feel of this comic with all the gore, horror and grease.The page where the kid is blown up is part EC horror line and part Mad Magazine.I can't say I like it but the question was whether this is better than boys.Yes by a lot.The backgrounds.Art, Panels, Design.The Overall punch of the comic.Story wise... I am not a fan of this stuff to be honest, I deal with the grittiness of the world everyday and seeing that applied to capes is like watching the nestle rabbit suddenly kidnap and maim people. Even if it is for some sort of "point", meh, whatever.But if I had to pick, I feel The Boys loses in the edge department with how explicit Bratpack is but I have hard time taking seriously a villain whose master plot is "Do you dare open the mystery box? It could be ANYTHING".Everyone is so malignant but also dumb as doorknobs.The Boys has a better storyline I suppose.Bratpack is an angry rant about the industry and it has its place in comic book history and gets point for bringing this amount of grit back in the 90s.In the 2000s everyone was doing deconstructions.
I just realized Midnight Mink orally raped that guy.
>>153988541>So Superman in this version is also like Doctor Manhattan?Yes.> but when this transformation occursWhat transformation? He disappeared 9 years ago and has just come back.>and why is just now that he appearsWe don't know why he came back.>and why is he going to punish them?Because they perverted and corrupted his image. They were originally his followers, but after he left, they degenerated into greedy psychopaths, no better than the gangsters and junkies they'd cleaned up with his help. It's not clear if he was as harsh on crime as they were, but it is clear that he actually cared about honesty and justice.
>>153988542so that's where inuyashiki got it from
>>153985957Two reasons:1) Many people back in the day told Veitch how much they disliked the ending, so when he released the first collected edition he added in some extra pages bridging issues and revised the ending2) Due to the success of Bratpack Veitch got a chance to do Maximortal so he likely took the chance to revise the ending to more cleanly lead into that.
>>153986861nah the talkies/radios make it very obvious - it was always fredo and king rad was in on it. blasphemy turns it on and places the talkie on the floor so receive what was being said inside the church, so king rad could drop the missile if the bratpack didn't open the bomb coffin.King rad was the guy writing the contracts after all
>>153988619What does a dog guy from ancient Japan have got to do with Gay Batman and oral rape?
>>153988598I did not know this was part of Maximortal / Trueman stuff.Call me retarded but as a whole (Bratpack and Maximortal) this feels like Veich is trying too hard to be Alan Moore.
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>>153988641>blasphemy turns it on and places the talkie on the floorWhich page? I think I missed this.
>>153988672>this feels like Veich is trying too hard to be Alan MooreThat’s cause he is. There’s a reason he was never given many opportunities to do solo work beyond Moore letting him do Swamp Thing. He’s a better artist than he is a writer.
>>153987707NAMBLA is publicly disavowed by a lot of gay rights movements because they draw too much heat for their openness, but behind closed doors they still get a lot of support
>>153988541Long story short on True-Man, at least just from the information provided by this series since I haven't read Maximortal;Government created a supersoldier, advertised him to the public and to their sponsors as creating a superhero by the name of True-Man.True-Man creates his own version of the Justice League, formed from two ex-lovers and two vigilantes, called Black OctoberThey work together for years, seemingly only reigned in by True-Man's naivete, and gain a lot of power monetarily and politcallyDr. Blasphemy essentially convinces True-Man that he and Black, and so he leaves on a journey to hone himself and understand his power better, leaving Slumberg's safety in the hands of Black October in the hopes that they'll be able to handle itBlack October essentially slides down the slippery slope, not only allowing the city to slide back into depravity but adding to it by essentially getting two groups of kids mindbroken and killed for their greedHence when he comes back, many years after throwing off the shackles of his old life and being reborn as a new Ubermensch, and with the rose-tinted glasses firmly removed and finally recognizing his old friends as the human garbage that they wereHence why he's punishing them. Not nly to avenge their sidekicks' horrific deaths, but also to atone for his part in essentially enabling their destructive and evil lifestyles for all those years by finally giving them the justice they deserve.
>>153988706Anon was mistaking the RC remote for a walkie talkie.Anyways, with greater context I think Fredo was just a double agent - sticking close to the heroes to find out the best ways to fuck them over. His motive shifts between endings and later additions, combined with the opening not being altered between versions, is where the confusion of his goals comes from.
>>153988764*that he and Black October haven't actually saved jack shit and that he's a tool of the establishment
>>153988771>Anon was mistaking the RC remote for a walkie talkie.Yeah, I thought the same but figured I'd ask in case I missed something.>the openingSomething odd about the opening: what was Doctor Blasphemy really up to? He talks like he didn't want to kill the kids and only did it because of the radio poll, which he seemed really distressed about. I'm not sure if this really fits with either ending.
>>153988799He's about ugly truths, yeah? I think people probably talked about the original Bratpack like that enough that Blasphemy could predict the subject would turn into something like that after he brought it up on air, and then he could show everyone what they said they wanted. While he's also goading the Brats with their own public image.
>>153988778>>153988764More or less correct save for how Blasphemy got Trueman to fuck off, but that gets answered in Maximortal (TLDR: gives him a mega identity crisis that drove him mad)>>153988799>what was Doctor Blasphemy really up to?That part throws me off, and I don't know if it's a case of: Veitch changed his identity midway through, only threw it in for the Jason Todd analogy without thinking about it, or there's just something we aren't getting.I think it makes a bit more sense in the revised ending where he's *trying* to save the kids life in a roundabout way, that maybe it was a way to justify to himself not going through with it, but it doesn't really make sense with his actions at any point.
correct if I am wrong but I am supposed to read Maximortal, then boy maximortal, then bratpack and then the super special?just read the supers special and it feels like it needs like one more volume.
>>153988877No it's mega confusing:BratpackIssue 1 of Super SpecialMaximortalIssue 2 of Super SpecialBoy Maximortaland then there's apparently going to be a Teen Maximortal before the Super Special rounds out the ending
>>153988699Do the japanese also have the problem of recycled panels? And if they do, since when?>>153988717It's a controversial opinion, and I don't like to consider the idea that everyone is like that, but I'm convinced that being gay and the lgbt movement are related at least in some way to pedo trash >>153988799>Yeah, I thought the same but figured I'd ask in case I missed something.nta but i had the same problem lol, until I read fucking Radioshack
>>153988891this mangaka in particular was really lazy after gantz
>>153988886Is this by release date?
>>153988886>>153988877Forgot to add: the Maximortal books are prequels but the Super Specials diagetically lead into the books (Blasphemy is literally reading them as we are to find out the story, basically) which is why the read order is bugfuck insane.>>153988863You know what that does make the most sense, but it still doesn't fit with his revised motive.
>>153984926Well, Robin was the Watson for him
>>153988865>I don't know if it's a case of: Veitch changed his identity midway throughThis feels like the only resonable explanation. Taking the self-hating masochistic in the gimp suit named Dr. BLASPHEMY (its right there in the fucking name) and not making him the priest who feels guilty about dragging teenagers into superheroics, but instead making him the Green Arrow expy’s butler, makes no sense.
>>153988904Yes, Boy Maximortal didn't come out until, like, 2017ish if I recall. You *could* read it Maximortal > Boy Maximortal > Brat Pack if you wanted I suppose but that doesn't seem to be how Veitch intended it
>>153988799The call-in to the radio show made me think of the story of Sodom and Gomorrah where Lot calls out to the citizens begging them not to sodomize his guests. Likewise I think Doctor Blasphemy knew the outcome of the call-in before he dialed and that he would kill the kids, but like Lot a part of him wanted to hear someone to have empathy and say "the what the fuck are we doing? Those are just kids".
>>153988886I just checked and super special #1 seems to have been published after Maximortal.Should it not be read in publication order?
>>153988979You're correct actually, Maximortal did come out before it, but Super Special #1 begins where Brat Pack ends and has a very literal lead in to the start of Maximortal so it seems like a more narratively fitting way to read it imo. Up to you I suppose
>>153988891>Do the japanese also have the problem of recycled panels?Some do, it's just Hiroya Oku is a turbohack who copypastes 3d models, he doesn't draw shit. He's also incredibly thin-skinned and draw 2chan NEETs getting hacked apart in his comic because they keep making fun of him IRL.
>>153988975That's the timeline I thought I was putting together, but then it didn't make much sense for the Boy Maximortal that the comic writer raised to come back and work work for the military after Maximortal and become the True-Man described in Bratpack.
>>153989060It kind of doesn't make any sense to begin with, I really don't know what the hell Veitch was thinking. It's been almost 10 years since it came out and I doubt we'll ever get an ending
>>153989046>who copypastes 3d models, he doesn't draw shit.No way, Japan has its own Greg Land
>>153985263It is a strange meta commentary about Wally vs Barry schism
>>153988970We know the priest was originally planned to be Blasphemy because that's in the pitch document.I'm not sure if Veitch switched it to Fredo before or after writing the first issue.
>>153987258>I'm not sure if it's a prequel or a sequel.It's both and neither. It basically shows Not-Superman as an entity that is percieved by some as a media character and others as a living Superhero. Also? Lots and lots of literal shit.
I glad to learn about deranged 90s fans.
>>153988906To be honest, I always thought there were two Dr. Blasphemys running about. One being the original who was the priest that Black October was employing to provide orphans for, trying in his own warped way to atone for leading the children to this lifestyle by mercy-killing them. Him being the one who killed the first Bratpack. And the other being the butler, who was using the identity to essentially find a way to punish his employers by setting up a repeat of the original Bratpack's death in order to draw True-Man back to Earth so that he can expose the horrific evil things Black October did, have them punished, and (in the revised version) hope True-Man can save the children from their mentors.It's probably not any more true than whatever Veitch was trying, but it's how I understood the story.
>>153988359>The One which I'd previously heard was worth reading as well. It is
>>153989196>named Nutman>handed a jar full of testiclesfulfillment of a lifelong curse
>>153989133>It is a strange meta commentary about Wally vs Barry schismExplain.
>>153987989>>153988104Don't forget the Folsom Street Fair which until very recently allowed gay men to masterbate in front of children and still shares resources for how to teach children about BDSM
>>153989285No
>>153989374>San Franciscomakes sense
>>153986661It was NAMBLA
>>153988200https://www.wadeburleson.org/2021/07/sex-before-8-or-it-is-too-late-nambla.htmlhttps://freerepublic.com/focus/fr/646239/posts
Hot take but I don't think Mink was a pedo.He was definitely a groomer to some degree but if you read what he says and what he does he never once tries anything overt until the last Chippy became of age. IIRC in the pitch draft he said the first Chippy was Mink's boyfriend so there's probably a deeper psychological subtext going on that isn't really conveyed in the story.
>>153989432These appear to be misattributions because contemporary sources always attribute this motto to the Rene Guyon society.https://leb.fbi.gov/file-repository/archives/january-1984.pdfHere's an FBI source from 1984.https://scholarworks.wmich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?params=/context/jssw/article/1885/&path_info=JSSW_16.1_8_DEYOUNG.pdfHere's a .edu source from 1989.>>153989497The pitch says that Mink would never break the law and so doesn't hit on any Chippy until he turns 18 (the original pitch had there being a LOT of Chippys and other sidekicks over the years).The original Chippy in issue 1 says that Mink was coming onto him, not raping him, and says it wasn't an issue until he turned 18.Cody doesn't actually seem to have ever been molested by Mink.So yeah, Mink is a groomer, not a pederast.
>>153989285This comic reads like what Didio wanted to do to DCs sidekicks, keep replaced them, while retaining the mentors
>>153989133No anon, this is about what DC did to Jason Todd, this shit literally starts with people calling to kill the original sidekicks.
>>153989985And the conveyor belt of replacements. Tim Drake was Robin the year before this.
>>153989985Because of this I mentioned the "strange" meta commentary.
>>153989985>>153990050I found Black October's concern about merchandising contracts to be telling.It was a lightbulb moment, like>Wait, is THAT the reason they introduced Tim Drake? Because they were worried kids would stop buying Robin merchandise?I'd recently read that Marvel only did Secret Wars because Hasbro asked them to help promote a new toyline (ironically, the toys sold poorly while the comics made major crossover events the new norm). I wonder, how many big continuity-defining decisions were driven by marketing deals?Then again, I'm not sure if kids were still reading comics in the 80's. Veitch says in the afterword that this was the decade when the audience for superhero comics transitioned from kids to adults.
>>153990104>I found Black October's concern about merchandising contracts to be telling.Interestingly enough, the original didn't have the scenes of Black October fretting about merchandising deals. The whole contract business was revealed towards the end.
>>153990104>I'm not sure if kids were still reading comics in the 80'sI feel like kids were reading comic books into the 2000's, but by the 80's regular kids probably weren't reading comic books; it was mostly nerds who were into it at that point.
>>153990299I was a nerd in the 2000's and I didn't read comics until I was a teenager. I never read ongoings, only completed series, and mostly not capeshit. I think I knew one guy who read ongoings.
>>153985706whoa, kind of gnarly that the blood will allow you to keep going even after your brain is gone
>>153985539this was my reaction to a T. my eyes are kinda glazed over>>153984905
King Rad's getup is kinda lame honestly. All the others have these distinctive themed costumes and he's got, what, some tacticool body armor and nerd-ass glasses?
>>153989196We need to bring this unhinged energy to the function again.
>>153985746not sure how feel about them all just stating everything herethough I find it interesting how here they turn on each other instead of being immobilized by true-man's glory
>>153990599Moon Mistress beats him after you notice her headdress looks like 1950s cartoon housewife haircurlers.
>>153990642Eh, she's still got a theme. King Rad's a disappointment, as a drug-abusing megarich nepobaby daredevil I think he should have the most extravagant costume, not the least.
Blasphemy gets mogged by True Man lmaoBut this just makes his chatacter more confusing. The Black October didn’t want to make TM leave, but Blasphemy seems to have been doing his own thing.
>>153985539>>153990549why are we talking about every crisis event?
>>153990599I suppose the commentary is that his costume is the most expensive combat gear he could buy. Im sure between the drugs and Freddo is something about dependence on external sources like people serving you, tools, or drugs.
>>153989193>literal shit
>>153989193>>153990839Comics are shit, but there are traces of pure gold in there to be distilled and concentrated
>>153990104>I'd recently read that Marvel only did Secret Wars because Hasbro asked them to help promote a new toylineNoJim Shooter was jealous of DC's Super Powers toys and got told by manufacturers they wouldn't do a line of Marvel characters unless Shooter could ensure kids would buy the entire line. He asked them how the hell he was going to do THAT and they came up with the event book concept.
>>153991163I'm liking it, our titular character starts off really creepy and uncanny, but turns out he is an actual nice guy in this fucked up world.
Concept designs
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>>153992008Looking very butlery there, father. Or should I say, looking very priestly there Fredo?
I didn't like it, I feel like I would have if the others didn't keep beating Chippie bloody. I lost any investment in them, including Chippie, it's like the protagonist of Tony Hawk Underground, by the third or fourth time he forgives Eric I just stopped giving a shit. Yall deserve it at this point.Ty for sharing OP, I have been curious
>>153992027Missing the point something fierce there, skippy.
>>153991846cool design
>>153991957>Not Laurence WelkDo you think he meant Liberace?
meh, not a fan of this fast ending. This goes nowhere in the end.
This was a good comic, thanks OP. I dig all the religious undertones- True-Man as God and truth as virtue. Like God, True-Man is all-encompassing, being not only a hero, a warrior, a tool, a lover, but also the symbol of good and the root of evil. The world follows the moral principles set by him and Black October only thrives because his blood runs through their veins. King Rad's testimony as True-Man as a government test subject balances the story, adds a little skepticism to keep the comic from being too God-y. That's to say nothing about the art, the paneling, and scripting overall. It's all great. It would have been nice if it was in color, though.
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The king radical in Dr. Mcninja was a way better villian... his likability juxtaposes nicely with his horrible master plan.Odd coincidence that there's two king radicals, picrel was inspired by king boo from Mario kart.
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>>153990197Yeah, the scenes of them bitching about contracts and the meet and greet were added for the trade
>>153988717Source: just trust me bro
>>153988200Based anon
>>153986804>, where it's endemic like the flu.dude it's called monkey pox for a reason. it's not a common disease, infections comes from eating monkey bushmeat and shit.
>>153991888Lmao Jimmy Olsen
>>153984905I love how King Rad is molesting Luna's ass in the pic.Also Warrior Woman reaching into Kid Violent's pocket to give him a handy
>>153992741Check out True Man's comcis.
>>153991417It is more about the story of the industry
>>153984926You know that line about what about the glory and power on the last page was pretty good.More than modern comics try anyway.
>>153993824Samefagging is the opposite of cool, buttmuncher.
I must.say the newer ending is a bit disjointed?It makes less sense to have Blasphemy/Fredo kinda actually care for the kids? Well besides thenscene where he acids the Skippy I face in the bell tower...Just making Black October bomb the church feels weird.Also giving many origina fir TrienMan while after Maximortal we kniw hes an extradimensional alien with a ponytail who made sure to impregnate himself fir a steady time loop so he can face El Guano one last time.Cant wait to se how Rick finishes the story as last time Maximoetal.left Blasohemy in charge of the ficked up comic book company building while he went to "take care of business.Also we know El Guano make sure Blasphemy gets born
>>153986788There are far to many people in the world who genuinely believe this
>>153991957This guy's design and poses are just a little bit cool, despite it all.
>>153995709I'm glad is is incomprehensible because I wanted to go read Maximortal now.
>>153988771i just assumed it was a disguised communications device so Rad could hear in. that's the point of him always talking through the radio I think
Mink kind of turned out to be the least-awful member of Black October. Once you realize he never actually molested Chippy he almost seems like an actual father figure.
>>153995929It's the body sock with a thick cape over it, makes him look like a knife on a fancy pillow. Plus, he's obviously having fun.
>>153991417As a Stan Lee guy i dont approve of Rick's love for Jack Kirby
>>153991877Okay that Luna is quite hot...I cant believe there are no Rule34 of the Bratpack
>>153994180kek did notice Rad hand before but not Moon's
>>153996861It is fairly obscure
>>153991975>Pushing forty Honestly that makes me laugh a little
>>153996385This also translates to where both Chippys ended up before their ends: they're bitter and jaded, sure, but they're still good proper people with a sense of deceny.Mink is definitely a bad guy, but he does genuinely care about his sidekick(s) and isn't actively trying to exploit them.
>>153997648Yeah, it's clear that both Chippys are the only members of their groups who are damaged, but not broken. Cody's still Cody, but the other three have been warped and twisted into entirely new, much worse people.
>>153991984would
>>153997052But...but...>Rule34: NO EXCEPTIONS!
>>153997914Wrong.
>>153998060I can't tell if she's meant to be black. That original concept art is definitely white, but this looks like a light-skinned black woman with very short hair.Also, why is her body so fucking ruined? What did she do to herself?
>>15399806027 is obviously bullshit as we see shes over 30 already in the flashback when she marries. So id say se.may be pushing 60, definitly over 50.Makes you wonder...if she has the Maximortal cells...why does she look like shit when Mink being around her age keeps his physique?Or in the original ending just Mink had the powers not the rest of the Black October?
>>153998088>Also, why is her body so fucking ruined? What did she do to herself?One, she's lying her sagging tits off because no way she's twenty seven, it doesn't align with everything else in the timeline. Two, she's a gigantic skank who drinks like a fish and smokes like a chimney and more than likely has STDs, do the math. Three, she's a vigilante and presumably got her face busted a lot.>>153998119>Or in the original ending just Mink had the powers not the rest of the Black October?Probably. But considering the regeneration doesn't heal scarring you could say that is just her lifestyle catching up to her. If you look closely King Rad is a total drug-addled lush and his face and eyes are a mess.
>>153998088She looks nothing like a black woman though. Besides Judge Jury would never partner with her if she was anything black. >Also, why is her body so fucking ruined? What did she do to herself?Vigilante life plus dozens of STDs.
>>153998119Original ending doesn't mention her having Maximortal cells, so it was probably a retcon. Then again, since the cells don't prevent scarring it might be one of those "functionally immortal" things and you could argue that Mink seems to keep a pretty tight self-care regimen and Moon...clearly doesn't, so that's why they're so different
>>153998223>She looks nothing like a black woman though.Something about the texture of her hair looks black to me, plus the big puffy black curls of her wig.>Besides Judge Jury would never partner with her if she was anything black.He's a huge hypocrite. I guess he probably would have called her a nigger at some point, though.
>>153998119Plus it's nine years after True-Man split, which has to be some years after she created this persona and they were in Black October together, so that would all be before she was 18. Gotta be fucking with Luna.
Also...what kinda name is "Black October" anyways?Who names their team that?
>>153998042Rule 34 has always been bullshit anon, it was just a joke from back when the internet wasn't as big as it is now and stuff like porn of Sonic the Hedgehog or Garfield could still be considered outrageous.There's a lot of obscure media with no porn or even fanart.
>>153991888Wish this guy was still in the story.
>>153998119I don't really see why she would lie about that.
>>153997052>>154000120There's also the fact that these characters live such miserable lives that making porn of them just kinda seems wrong.
>>154000338>what are ryona and bad endsYou kids today are sheltered.
>>153985462Can barely tell, but True Man caught the sidekicks in the bell too, didn't he?
>>154000338>>154000120Uh uh uh What you guys failed to spot is that a bunch of the comic is basically a form of porn alredy.
>>154000587Only one face appears so it's implied.
>>153986474Can we get the rest of the pitch?
>>153986158Were Cody’s nipples…pierced?
>>154000460>ryona and bad endsare both presented in an erotic manner. I don't get off on that shit but looking at it, it's obviously pornographic in nature and I can see why someone would be into that.The Brat Pack is not presented in an erotic manner and is too depressing to really eroticize. It's like pic related. There's rape (shakes head), and there's rape (smile and nod). The Brat Pack is very firmly in the former category.
>>154001982Yeah, gonna post it now
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>>154002304Thanks
>>154002441This is so much better than what we got.
>>153984905Veitch has a a few more issues left to finish his Maximortal seriesHOPEFULLY Veitch has a real publisher do an omnibus of the entire series instead of the SHITTY amazon print on demand reproduction
>>153984905I was thinking Moon lady was going to be Boy Maximortal's Girlfriend he gave super powers too but I don't think that ends up being the case.
what is True-Man?Is some kind of Golden Age wrathforce pouring down justice against these monsters.
>>153989193His name is literally Manure in the English language.
>>154003596superman and doctor manhattan at the same time
>>154003733Wow I NEVER noticed THAT!
>>154003733Guano is already an English word. It means bat shit.Wait, I just realized that might be a pun... Because he's crazy, right?
>>154004454Wait, there's MORE.Manure allows flower to grow.Regular shit does not have that capacity.
>>154003448I am pretty sure it is since they all talk about him and both her and mink ha relations with him.
>>154004532I was waiting for a connection to the bat bomb project that was abandoned for the atom bomb, which was also abandoned for the True-Man project in their case. But the bats aren't important.
>>153988877ok so i read all of these.Is there anything esle?are we waiting for a what, a final volume of boy maximortal, then a new volume of super special, then adult maximortal stories and then the final volume of the special?taht seems like a lot of volumes for a series so old.
>>153996861R34 tends to be perpetuated by retards. Retards don't really read.
What the fuck is a lazarus gambit?
Do scans of True Man, the Maximortal exist for #2 & #3? I've found #1 but I can't find the other two that are released.I'd pay for them but I got laid off and I'm unemployed right now.
>>154003448The cowgirl seems to have been created separately, and the moony already has a backstory of meeting him well after.
>>154006221so if true-man comics already exist does that mean that boy maximortal only ahs 2 issues?
>>154006438There's four issues of Boy Maximortal. idk what site you're using but on the site I use there's #1 and #2 individually, but then a TPB that's all four.
>>154006051Getting back from the dead, like biblical Lazarus...duh
>>154006684mmmmm...mmmmm.Makes sense. Yes yes.
>>154006677oh i dint noticed the TPB
>>154002304It kinda sucks the 30th anniversary trade doesnt have the pitch.The art is...muddy sometimes.They really need a new edition...
In Maximortal, what's up with the egg / eggnite?I understand the other metaphors, like turning shit into gold, but this one alludes me.
>>154009704Maybe when he’s finished Rick will do a real hardcover collection with GOOD reproduction . Im sure dark horse or idw would go for a reprint of the entire series I think they could get it all in two or three hardcovers
I love how Veicht draws what should I read next, Swamp Thing?
so blasphemy is possessed by el guapo?
>>154011505From what's revealed in Boy Maximortal, it seems that way.
>>154011505I thought Blasphemy was Guano's son. Guano was almost like a self made equal to True-Man and was half-possessing the gold dwarf at the end of Maximortal, Blasphemy says he was motivated to challenge and analyze True-Man but he sounds like he never got as much insight as that.
>>154011635Nah, one of the guys who provided Guapo with comic books for super weed, fucked his ugly femake apprentice, thus fathering Fredo
