I stopped paying attention to comics in 2010 and only recently started getting back into them.I have no idea what Comicsgate was. Could someone here give me a rundown?
All I know is it happened around the same time as GamerGateAnd it was generally about annoying libs in comics.
>>153987776Wokies ruin comicsSome dudes want to make their own comicsLots of infighting
>>153987801The only incident I heard about was that cover with Batgirl with the Joker that got censored.
>>153987776*WET SHARTING NOISES*That's all you need to know.
>>153987801>>153987776I don’t think it was ever an actual thing I think it’s just a term for mid tier artists and writers who got to uppity on Twitter getting fired for fan backlash, typically it was right leaning comic workers but in recent years plenty of lefties have been booted out of the companies for shitty social media postsThe real question is can we include Peter David getting the Gypsy curse at that one comic con as a part of this?
>>153987776>Claims to not know what Comicsgate is>Uses thumbnail from video that explains it in autistic detailJust post the videos, faggot.https://youtu.be/dt7cWDfwAb0?si=xTL1YljpM0PEq5vVhttps://youtu.be/IEencjJwXhc?si=JnlUMNXgqeYCHoJ4
>>153987776A bunch of old comic creators got pushed out of Marvel and DC because they generally don’t want to keep paying older creators more money when they can hire cheap foreign labor. Plus changing preference in styles from fans. So they tried to make it a political thing and latched onto gamergate
>>153987838>Peter David getting the Gypsy curse at that one comic conExplain
>>153987776A former DC artist launched a Kickstarter for his comic and marketed it by doing daily 4 hour live streams complaining about Disney Star Wars for like 8 years
>>153987776there's a perfectly good thread on kiwifarms for thiskeep it there
>>153987863I literally just went on Desuarchive and was looking for another OP image with the word Comicsgate.
>>153987898Some Romani fan of marvel asked Peter David about more Gypsy representation and asked about the doom story going on at the time that made him turn his apparent first love into a magic skin armor. Peter David then went off about his poor experiences around Europe with different gypsies. The whole thing is on YouTube I believe
>>153987838The only leftist I know who got fired is the tranny who made fun of Charlie Kirk’s death
>>153987926Comic related, you pansy
>>153987776It is the GamerGate/Trump I era and an autist is mad because modern comics are a little too hamfistedly woke and don't look like 1995 Imageslop comics anymore. He gets attacked by Mark Waid which leads to some other comic guys and culture war fags coming on board. Eventually it becomes a bunch of grifters fighting with one another about who's the better grifter and which one is the one actually grifting and scamming (hint: they all are) and between them have produced maybe 10 actual comics in 10 years. The original autist seems to have left the whole thing behind but it's not basically Grift Side 1 led by Ethan Van Sciver vs. Grift Side 2 left by Eric July and everyone involved are tremendous, self-absorbed, scam artist faggots.
>>153987776That video is a pretty good rundown on one side of comicsgate. There's a lot more to it, but the video will give an good rundown on what a sad faggot Ethan Van Sciver is.
>>153987776>damn libs are ruining comics!>we conservachads know how to make comics!And what followed were a bunch of poorly drawn, poorly written, and sometimes even nonexistent shit.
>>153987776https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comicsgate
>>153988149>>damn libs are ruining comics!Yes. Cope.>>153988156>The wiki articleLol. That shit is so heavily bias it's not funny.
>>153987776All -gate movements were big nothingburgers.
>>153987776Here’s the actual explanation:Circa 2010 every studio and publisher reconfigured to market their product primarily to women due to changes in spending power across demographics post recession and the rising importance of social media engagement. They purged seasoned boomers and replaced them with cheaper talent under the guise of promoting diversity. They alienated existing male customers to signal their new focus to potential female readers and viewers, leveraging controversy and cheap heat to create free advertising. When the male fans pointed out that this sucked, they were vilified and portrayed as a cabal of bigots and nazis known as Comicsgate.
There was a podcast called Get Cynical that did a miniseries about GamerGate that I found to be pretty balanced and good. They did do an episode on Comicsgate but it’s behind a Patreon paywall.
>>153988239And now the industry is destroyed and all zoomers read Manga now.
Stealth e-celeb shilling thread or lolcow thread? I assume someone is going to make hours long documentaries on the high school level interpersonal drama these dumbfucks fostered underneath their culture war scamming.
>>153988283DC seems to be coming back with the Absolute Universe.Marvel is on fucking life-support.
>>153988314>DC seems to be coming backOmg, 7 million in sales. Wtf cares. WB got bought out so it literally dosen't matter.
>>153988314Image is also fine but only because they have a diverse array of comics in many genres.
>>153988344Paramount might stop publishing ongoing series but they’ll never sell that valuable IP.
>>153988239Literally nothing you posted in that rambling pile of shit is correct or has any basis in reality. You are, as the tacos would say, mucho retardo.
>>153988396>t. Some fagģot at marvel
>>153988239>leveraging controversy and cheap heat to create free advertisingAnd that's Comicsgate in a nutshell.
>>153988283That was already the case in 2010 already.
>>153987776Gamergate but for comics.Gamergame is a drama between two game developers which where hijacked by reactionaries for a campaign against reform for feminist representation in media. 4chan and dubkun were involved in this shitshow and it literally lead to a corrupt manchild entering politics and run the United States into the fucking ground. Basically, It's part of the ongoing war agianst the no-fun left for the rights to have access to, and to fap to, rape porn.
>>153987776Sam Smith’s alter ego enlists two Mexicans to bully retarded black man and destroy his grift.
>>153987776>Could someone here give me a rundown?Woketards ruin Marvel and DC with their usual crap, and they're turning all your waifus gay and/or brownFans hate this, want to save Marvel and DCAnyone inside the industry who agrees is in no position to save Marvel or DC, and will likely be blacklisted if they speak out about how fans hate what the companies are doingSome of them instead make their own comics to try and appeal to the disgruntled fans, often comics with a deliberate culture war element intended to appeal to fans repulsed by the woketard comicsAlso grifters try to make money out of these fans but don't end up producing comics.Most of the disgruntled fans still just want Marvel and DC to be saved more than they want new characters from other publishers.
>>153988439Are you even aware of what comics Marvel was publishing in 2010? Probably not and I'd say there's a good chance you don't actually read comics in any meaningful way.
>>153987776They kinda had a vague idea of a consumer uprising by highlighting all the ways that comics publishers and writers were forcing a similar sort of cultural marxist/woke/preachy/dei/anti-white ideology through comics, and in the process, destroying an industry with nearly a century of history. What it turned into was a bunch of faggoty, talentless youtubers shilling their comics and making up stories about how they were selling bajillions of comics and saving western capeshit from the wokies, mostly so they could demand more money/attention/glorification.These days, no one engaged in culture war and pop culture discourse even pretends comicsgate was a thing or achieved anything at all.>>153987801>All I know is it happened around the same time as GamerGateHappened quite a while after, but they wanted a GamerGate style explosion, without learning the obvious lesson that GamerGate took years to learn: You can't control the narrative when the people you are up against control the narrative and actively collude to decide what that narrative is.
>>153987776> Tl;DrA bunch of comic artists said they were told to make everyone brown and gay or they'd get fired and Mark Waid said: "Yeah, it's true. Screw you!"
>>153988769Faggy reply. Instead of explaining what it was like, you're just calling everyone a retard.
Comicsgate is just a marketing term for EVS, he saw a genuine fan revolt in he turned it to his personal hustle. The real question is whether the comics delivers better stories than the stuff people are fleeing from.Most of the comics from Comicsgate fail to deliver passable storytelling, craft, or innovation despite the massive marketing advantage of being "the anti-woke alternative"
>>153987776It was just whiny geeks who couldn't get jobs aping gamergate to grift other whiny geeks.
>>153988314You are fucking delusional if you think this.
>>153988314>DC seems to be coming back with the Absolute Universe.It's going to burn out like Ultimate did. This shit isn't new. Retards fall for it every time
>>153987776It's a war against woke in comics; simple as that.
>>153988396You lost
>>153989176>Comicsgate is just a marketing term for EVSThis. It was an attempt by people to try and change the industry, but it got hijacked and turn into one giant advertisement for EVS YouTube channel. I say YouTube channel because that fat fuck clearly gives no shits about cyberfrog.
>>153988225Especially Watergate.
>>153987776I've been following form the start.Comicsgate was originally used a slur on a customer backlash to SJW stuff in comics, like gay Iceman etc. The name was then adopted by them. Not longer after some comics pros, mostly rightwing, who left or were kicked out the industry took up the name and made comics for them. Eric July and Vito in your image never clamed to be Comicsgate. Also Dick does not make or talk about comics so shouldn't be there. Only EVS is a comicsgater there.
>>153990283The thumbnail was more related to a video about EVS. Yes, someone made a video about that fat fuck, which you can watch here >>153987863
>>153987863great video honestly
>>153990305>>153990333Holy shilling batman
>>153990361You're not getting your incel thread. Cope
>>153990387Its not a very good threat.
>>153987776These fags did so much damage to their own side when they could have kept making easy money.
>>153987776Chuds malding over gay people existing >>153988851I have anti-woke fatigue
>destroy comics by making them as vapid as possible>leads to manga becoming popular with the exact tropes they wanted to destroy comics forsasuga comics industry-sama
>>153992018>the exact tropes they wanted to destroy comics forWhich are?
>>153987776I didn't pay attention to it but I would crop out panels from The Boys and post them on Funnyjunk implying it was current day DC or Marvel and people would repost it and claim this is why they stopped supporting mainstream comics.
>>153989164Didn't answer the question.
>>153989127Most of it was old guys who washed out because they were annoying assholes to deal with IRL. Dixon in particular it's pretty easy to read between the lines that he was the Your Annoying Conservative Uncle at Thanksgiving type IRL who likely wouldn't shut up about how he thought Obama was an evil communist Kenyan or whatever. He got shit years earlier for claiming the artist of the gay Rawhide Kid mini must have been tricked into doing it and had no idea what he was drawing simply because the guy didn't want to draw two people naked in bed in a comic he did with Dixon years earlier.
>>153988396And the cycle continues
>>153987838>in recent years plenty of lefties have been booted out of the companies for shitty social media postsThis is bullshit. It's been like one writer who was a tranny. That Camp guy is just as cringe and retarded on social media but he gets to slide by being comically biased. It's kind of weird actually
A good idea marred by EVS being a lazy piece of shit who spends 12 hours a day on lifestreams rather than finishing any of his comics.This is a pretty decent video about it,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEencjJwXhc
It literally started because some female staff at Marvel went out for milkshakes (picrel) and some "anti-woke" inbreds flipped out on Twitter.That's it. That's why casualgate is a thing. Because some women drank milkshakes and posted about it on social media.>>153988177Facts don't care about your feelings
>>153991923>>153993933I mean alienating your core audience without first building up another one is why manga is so dominant over comics now. The CGers were retards, grifters and fools (as the video creator points out) but it was ultimately a pyrric victory for the wokies who you can now see constantly crying about needing money to survive on Twitter/Bluesky. They don't know how to take criticism without pretending it's actually bigotry and this is also why Dr Who failed.
>>153994035We get it your cunts move on
>>153994078I'm not even talking about "diversity" I'm talking more specifically about the creators insulating themselves in a bubble--because people who tend to identify on the left tend to be more ok with surface level representation as opposed to actual story and characterization, hence, for example, "rainbow capitalism" being a thing and a lot of people defending the Boys show and assuming every critic was just a bad faith chud. Also said creators just assuming that converting an established character to be LGB or another race works for "representation". It's very rarely built into the character. When the creators leave the bubble and are confronted with people who aren't just okay with those surface level changes, they get pissy, attack the fans and end up turning them away for an audience that isn't quite there. Nobody can really move on until creators stop being (at the very least, publicly) dicks to the critics, even if the critics are themselves dicks.
In the 1990's the comic book industry crashed and killed comics as an American past time right when new forms of media (videogames) were becoming huge. The 2000's was the period of anger sells, when superstar writers were pushed as opposed to the 1990's superstar artists. There was a lot of, throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. Take stuff from big popular prominent books (realism, grounded takes, maturity, gore). There was a lot of sensationalism around taking big swings on characters. To an extent, things have always changed in comics but now these swings were huge. And yet, it worked. People complained their favourite characters were ruined but bought these books.In the 2010's the apathy caught up with them. Marvel pushed an array of diverse heroes, some created before this period, some created during it, as well as a bunch of replacement heroes. Why? Mixture of things, politics, make up of the staff, desire for new audiences, the social justice academic infection of parts of the internet, as well as MCU casting concerns over replacement heroes. At one point Hulk, Thor, Captain America, were all replaced, heroes like Ms Marvel received huge pushes beyond any other modern character except maybe Miles. Then Secret Empire happened, Cap was a Nazi, even Disney had to respond to the backlash. The comic book shop owners shouted at Marvel representatives at a meeting. David Gabriel (at the time VP of Sales, he has recently been fired) said diversity didn't sell then backtracked his comments a day later because the EiC was talking up diversity.(1/3)
>>153994356The problem is that no one cares about comics. Situations like the Batgirl variant cover for the Killing Joke anniversary or the Milo Manara variant cover for Spider-Woman (and the subsequent Frank Cho thing) became non-troversies. Outrage tourists not even reading the books would flood in. Who cares about some variant covers? But these sort of skirmishes became common place amongst the audience. And the moral crusaders entered this space, fired up by that social justice academic language. There was people like Mark Waid getting everyone he didn't like banned from the whole industry. Frank Cho left Wonder Woman over Greg Rucka trying to get him blacklisted. People created a #metoo movement in comics and Warren Ellis was ruined despite doing nothing illegal (according to his accusers). Heck, Sean Gordon Murphy got accused of "love-bombing" by a trans autistic creator for little to no reason. Even Scott Snyder got called out for sharing a "Men in Comics Pledge [to protect women]" late (he was on vacation at the time). We had literal whisper networks sharing strategies to get rid of people.All these are real problems but into this space came people like EVS, Jon Del Arroz and others. Unlike GamerGate which had an inciting incident, this was more a bundle of problems building. I know people hate the term grifter, but these people are grifters. When the Ed Piskor situation happened EVS and others attacked Ed, once he died, they deleted all their comments and pretended they never said it (except Jon Del Arroz who doubled down). These people thrive on outrage tourists, they will publish articles like, something happening in an Elseworld book like it is the mainline series (oh Poison Ivy is FAT NOW, they don't make it clear it is an Elseworlds future Poison Ivy). But okay, people wanted to listen to them, they started making books, but then the infighting happened and the whole thing became a mess of petty personalities having pissing contests.(2/3)
>>153994035>it's okay to crash out over women drinking milkshakes because seeing a non-white hurt muh feefeesChrist, at least gamergate started out with a decent point re: objectivity in video game journalism. You inbred fucks just wanted to bitch.
>>153994364So where does that leave the industry? Well, we are stuck in same double down approaches. The time to fix things was long past, 2017 when sales were tanking and the MCU was still going all pre covid was probably their best chance to actually try. To get back to stories people wanted to read and avoid the drama. Unfortunately the double down just continued, just look at the Spider-Man and Paul shit.The problem is comics are just archaic, no one wants to pay shit loads for a single issue with bad writing and disconnected art. I don't even think woke writing is the main issue, sometimes that is a bit overblown, aside from a few memed series the issue isn't overt wokeness (there is plenty of background woke things that crop up here and there). But the real issue is just dogshit product. People don't want to read solicit magazines, go to stores, all for a bad product, especially not one that insults them and fails to capitalise on any and all success of alternate media.The solutions are out there but the people at the top will never listen to them, but hey, a few of the same alt-universe type gimmicks and they can pretend like things are okay for a while. ComicsGate unfortunately became a home for petty infighting, sensationalist reporting and selling their own brand more so than actually addressing deep entrenched issues in the industry or creative side of things. Marvel has now fired a bunch of people; DC is desperately pushing an advantage. Collected editions are building a consumerist bubble pushed by influencers/YouTubers. Outrage tourists flood online. And people that actually read comics still try to find stuff to read and occasionally are successful but no one online will bother. It is what it is.(3/3)
>>153994372Attempting to ragebait me or assume I'm CG doesn't cancel out my point--which is that ultimately the problem is that creators were tunnel visioned dicks who alienated their audience without having a replacement audience who were willing to buy the books as opposed to being performative. Sales don't lie.
>>153994414>j-just because I'm spouting the exact same retarded bullshit as casualgate doesn't mean I'm casualgate!And denial is a river in Egypt.
>>153994356>>153994364>>153994411tl;dr
>>153994441>not debating my point meaningfully even if I'm not blaming "wokeness" or "dei" but author entitlement and public fightsKeep circling the drain like the other current comic book publishers then, by all means. This is exactly what I meant by people being unwilling to take criticism and isolating themselves...
>>153994471>I'm hiding behind the same bullshit as ever other casualgater whenever anyone points out that casualgate is full of culture war tards! That proves I'm not casualgate, even though I agree with them!
>>153993029Not anymore.
>>153991923funny story, I have a severe woke fatigue
>>153987776tldr this whole thread:New thing bad except it’s true
>>153989323Seriously its such a nothing burger that historians nowadays focus on Nixon secretly bombing Cambodia, cuz noone cares about watergate.
>>153994035The funny part is the left has now flipped on Israel completely and now they mention Gaza quite a lotInteresting how fast culture moves
Do Marvel and DC realize they can justMake a line of woke comicsMake a line of non-woke comicsAnd literally let the free market decide which one they want?Instead of pushing everything at least a few inches towards workeness.
>>153999470They're all liberals and leftward, making anything that appeals to people they disagree with fills them with disgust.
