New Cartoon Cartoons short https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVJclqaAjO4
>every single thread since this program was announced had someone say “Off The Menu is the only interesting looking one” just because it had a vaguely 90s-looking art style >comes out>is essentially just an animated podcast with no real story and pretty limited animationThe backgrounds are very nice.Something like this would work if the writing was actually funny. Like Space Ghost Coast to Coast or something.
I really don't get the point with some of these. I thought they were all meant to be pilots but some look more like simple shorts and it makes me wonder if CN simply paid a bunch of artists for projects they were already making just to fill a slot. Maybe CN wanted Cartoon Cartoons to come back years ago as a consistent thing with many shorts and pilots every week/month and then immediately gave up on it? This one has to be one of the most boring ones. Like the creator was simply being paid to do a job.
This one was kinda disappointing. I wish it was more toony, but it ended up being basically furry Seinfeld. The character designs and voice acting are pretty good though. Also:>"Made in the USA">Outsourced to Yowza in CanadaKek
>>153996815Well fuck me that was actually cute
Updated ranking:>Buttons>Duck>Accordions>Maude>Angel>Jocelyn>Mouthwash>Mandie>Foools>Fruitstand>Menu>Bird & Squirrel>Samson>ISCREAM>Harmony>Dracula>Hungy>Afternoon>Madison and Skyler
I'm shocked at how much of a nothing cartoon this was, no one could've foreseen that 90% of the short would just be this shot
>>153996885>is essentially just an animated podcast with no real story and pretty limited animationThis, I fully agree with you>>153996966My ranking:Mouthwash = Madison&Skyler = Button's > A for Angel > Harmony > Accordions/Melodica = Maude = Fruitstand > Hungry Ghost > Fools > Bird&Squirrel > Duck > Samson > Afternoon > Mandy >>> Iscream > Jocelyn > Menu >>> absolute dog shit >>> Dracula
>>153996986>5 years wait just to see the same exact preview image but animated
>>153996986After all the tiktok ADHD shit lately this is refreshing honestly
>>153996815This certainly has potential. Got some mad Ricky Gervais Show vibes from this, and I like how they dropped actual facts on seafood and that the jokes weren't just food puns and kiddie humor. I feel it work if they kept the topics diverse. Maybe since they're at a restaurant, they could try and get actual chefs, and the VA's could improv a discussion on a dish they make.
>>153996885This is the Rickey gervis show without any of the personality
Scaredy Cat can't be released soon enough
>>153997309In two weeks according to my predictions.Supposedly, Pig in a Wig is in the next one.
>>153997063If they make it a show, i can't wait to have it guests like Gordon Ramsey or Space Ghost.
Imagine getting to animate a cartoon and all you come up with is a podcast.Yeah, kids will love that for sure.
>>153996951These are a couple of years old after all (shelved), they were made before C11 was made into law which make Canadian outsourcing illegal (because too many Canadian companies were taking American outsource work and listing it as local to get around Canadian broadcast laws).Also Yowza does have a South Korean branch that is still valid.
>>153996815I don't feel anything for this one.
I wanna fuck the fish
I thought the bull was going to be female, but I guess I was wrong.Also, I kinda liked it.
>>153996815it was a bold move to use this format that's for sure
>>153997444Yeah they should've made a cartoon about 67 and liminal spaces
>>153997709>bull>femaleAnon, I…
>>153997777One, nice quads. Two, I know bulls are male and cows are female, but I thought he was gonna be a she.
>>153997177>>153997063This was The Ricky Gervais Show if it was not actually funny and was fully written first instead of just being an animated podcast/radio conversation.You can’t make a show where the appeal is “it’s a podcast conversation but animated” if the entire fucking thing is scripted to begin with. What’s the point?
>>153996815All of this shit has been a failure. It shows even when they look for talent they're not gonna find any from the current pool. And no, Mouthwash Madness was not good either.
>>153997653Goddamn it, I wanted to deny it, but I wanna fuck the fish, too (and the bull)!
Why are they now just getting released?
>>153996815>>153996966>>153997023You will NEVER be them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEn87UwwOe0
>Look creator up out of curiosity>She's been working in animation since the 80s>Credits include Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, Tiny Toons, Ren and Stimpy, Pepper Ann, Simpsons, Family Guy, Timon and Pumbaa, The Loony Tunes Show and many many more>This is the first time she makes a cartoon of her ownI don't want to sound like an ass cause this is clearly a milestone of sorts but... How is this the best thing you can come up with after such an extensive resumé?
>>153998563>you will never be 49 shorts about a wacky animal duo or a guy screaming for 6 minutesWAC was better but it’s no wonder why the ones that got chosen were chosen.
>>153998616True, true. The Pizza Boy short, for example, was charming and all, but it wouldn't really hold up as a full series as it would get old after a while.
>>153996815>>153996885classic cartoon industry ruining the concept art
>>153998957>EuroslopWhatever happened to Xilam? Is it just me or do European cartoons use beanmouth more than American cartoons do these days?
>>153998896Funnily enough, that was considered to become the middle segment of Cow and Chicken.
>>153999061Interesting
>>153998608Butch Hartman syndrome, start out fantastic, but get worse and worse throughout the years.
>>153998957Basically nothing changed from Off the Menu except for not doing the sketchy 101 Dalmations lines, which I have to assume probably wasn't even planned for the final result and just part of the general quality of the drawing. Really, the actual characters didn't change. The bottom one shows an actual example of obvious change.
>>153999141Butch Hartman got lucky. He knew and worked with the right people, and happened to be at the right place at the right time. He just basically wrote a couple of episodes for Johnny Bravo, got asked to make a show of his own and teamed up with a good character artist. Same thing with that Emil guy from Bethesda. They were never really that good.
>>153999238sketchy lines are cool. That was the entire appeal of off the menu to me and they didn't even do them
>>153996815Neat!
>>153996815This looks like some Kyle Carrozza shit.
>>154000196Yea, honestly I first thought it was one of his
>>154000196This is nowhere near as repulsive as his art
Anything sexo?
I'm surprised that people are dunking on this one. It was the first one that I really felt had staying power. An animated podcast isn't original, sure, but I can't recall any kids show going for it, making it fresh for younger viewers. The fact it was actually a bit educational was genuinely a delightful surprise (even though I knew all the facts already) so I'd love to see more of these. Feels like what could happen is the first season follows the formula very strictly, with season 2 allowing them to work off of what has been established by the interactions to have them do different things while still circling back to the podcast. Like how season 1 of Rocko's Modern Life was focused on the title concept of dealing with modern life's obstacles and responsibilities, while season 2 onwards explored the characters and their relationships more.
>>154000302The chicken and pig are honestly pretty cute, especially the chicken's more timid personality made me want to root for her.
>>154000349do you really care about the peronal lives of these generic default animals who were just animated after random people recorded themselves speaking
>>154000387Not yet no but after a season of 24 episodes I might.
>>15400048824 episodes of your characters just being avatars of a discord conversation and then suddenly acting like they're real characters would be dumb. even worse if it goes into full self-insert territory where the real life problems of the people are turned into an animation just like those twitter webcomics people dohow about just make a real animated show
>>154000349you really don't think Buttons has more staying power than this? Arcades are a trend that has been dying for decades, kids would rather play Fortnite or watch tiktok on their mom's Ipad, ordering food is common now, and the show follows two opposite characters overburdened with trying to stay afloat despite it all who somehow still manage to not be unlikeable. I thought the setting was limited when I first saw it, but the more and more you think about it, the more possibilities you realize it could have.
>>154000288But is it as repulsive as him?
>>153996815At least Midnight Gospel doubled as creative animation excercises.
>>154000550It does but I find Buttons too annoying for my tastes. Like I get what they're going for and love Dana Snyder's voice but it felt too by the numbers "retard annoys normal person". I prefer enthusiastic characters to be more likeable and have more substance to why they annoy people.
>>153996815>from caked up lolis with mental issues to thisBoooo.
>>154000965I wanted a palate cleanser after that garbage from last week but if this is the punishment you get, then that's even better
>>153997743The 67 Backrooms.
I'm not gonna lie. Most of these shorts have been fucking awful, did they really expect these to be proper shows?
>>154000998They won't, most of them got finished 5 years ago.
>>154001007Obviously they won't. But even if they released when they were supposed to, they still would've been dogshit that appealed to nobody. I can think of only TWO shorts (the shoulder angel and pizza place ones) that would even be somewhat enjoyable as a full show. I hate siding with WB, but holy shit what a waste of money and time for most of these
>>154000998I said it before and I'll say it again. My theory is that they wanted to bring back cartoon cartoons as a recurring, consistent anthology show, and maybe create engagement online by having people vote and discuss the shorts constantly in an attempt to reinvent themselves years ago. It would explain why none of the pilots are 20 minutes long or why some of them are from wildly different years. CN just needed as many shorts and pilots as possible to fill segments so they acquired anything and everything that moved, but they must have given up on the idea after some time, maybe it started to become too costly paying entire teams a full salary for about a year per short, or maybe some new leadership decided it wasn't worth it, so they just ended up releasing each one separately so as to not waste it. Also, I thought pilots were rare because I was only seeing the more popular ones, but after I started to watch these, my main youtube page started to become inundated by student films and indie animations, there must be thousands and thousands of them.
>>154000349reminded me just how fucking weird season 1 of Rocko was
>>154000572Isn't this ugly fuck still in jail?
>>153996815Kinda wish the title dropped the article to be “Off Menu”. >>154000349>An animated podcast isn't original, sure, but I can't recall any kids show going for it, making it fresh for younger viewers.Kids watch streamers - leaning into this basic concept while updating the references and format a little could be very effective.>>154000998Guessing leaders from the previous shorts programs were gone and the sauce on wrangling one was lost. The one thing these all seem to have in common is the artists being left to their own devices when developing the pitch.
i like the characters
>>154001888I don't think they have a lot of chemistry and they don't bounce off each other a lot, they just explain their own separate thoughts and that's kind of it
>>153996966If Dracula is not bottom your post is wrong
>>153998563I feel bad for the guys who genuinely thought Hannah-Barbera 2.0 was the safe choice.
>>153998563>90% of WAC is animal cartoons>Cow and Chicken was the only one greenlitIn retrospect I think these people should’ve tried literally anything else if they wanted a chance at a series.
Angel > Hungy > Buttons > Mouthwash > Harmony > Foools > Bird > Madison > Accordion > Jocelyn > Maude > Menu > Duck > IScream > Samson > Fruitstand > Mandie > Dracula > Afternoon
>>153998563Was there a WAC short about Dino from Flintstones? Did they make a pilot for a spinoff of him or something?
>>153996815I never liked the Spumco knockoff style aside from the occasional cute work and preferred for people to learn from the principles instead of the style, as I did.>>153999318You can just say “im gay and hate Butch Hartman” that's less letters than this gay lie.
>>154002871>Dracula > AfternoonNah, at least afternoon could get funny
>>154002908>t. gay for butch hackman
>>154002893There were 2, and Joe Barbera wanted to keep The Flintstones going in some way.Now it's just SiIvaGunner.
>>154002908I do wish Greg Gotcha got his own show, thats what we want in cartoons.
>>154002929How original, projection reply.
>>154002949Where is your pic from?
>>153996885Guilty as charged, I just thought it was interesting, not all can be winners.
>>154000998wait until sleeping giants comes out bro
>>154003007fungies if the budget went up from 10 dollars to 50 dollars
>>154002953You make honor to your name lol
>>154002806Those were made by the older talent tbf, all of them are dead today.
>>154002908Butch, sorry to say but people don't 'get worse' over time after decades of working on the same industry day after day. You simply never had that much skill to begin with and allowed your ego and success to stop your learning and growth, and when the niche factors making you successful were removed, all you were left with was average ideas and average execution
>>154003074>see cute loli octo girl>noo this looks as bad the fungies!!! wahh
>>154002971Segment from E&H's Bullet/Bullet which is a Mad Max knock off, Disney paid for it so they were able to get top talent like Toshihiko Masuda, Kazuhide Tomonaga, Yoshinobu Michihata (he animated this scene), Hisao Yokobori and Dan Haskett who did the characters designs to those segments because Disney money and 90s Telecom shows were always designed in the States in terms of primary characters.Yoshiteru Tsujino (the co-creator of Tengai Makyo) did character designs for the main segment, he got has many ex-Telecom people as he could that haven't retired or are reserved at another studio because Disney wanted 90s Telecom while Tsujino got laid off from Telecom in 1988 to pay off TMS' (Telecom's parent company) losses on Akira (Telecom was a sub contractor on Akira) so Tsujino got Masuda to run those segments since he ran Telecom in the 90s.
>>154002844Cow and Chicken was the most unique of the bunch as well since they were kids and Cow is the only female on the roster. The rest of them were just two, sometimes three animals having a job and being shit at it.
>>154003119well i can see you're that short's designated autist
>>154002871>>154002913I don't get the hate for Afternoon. Sure it is kind of boring and mind numbingly meant for preschoolers but at least it tries to be a show, it even tries to have a character arc. Duck and Dracula were actual wastes of time
>>154003222The biggest drawback are the designs. I said this before and I'll say it again: this could work much better with puppets.Duck was good goreror
I watched Mouthwash before work this morning.I enjoyed how crude it was but frankly it could only work for Adult Swim.
>>154003102I understand youre desperately looking for someone to tell off while it feels like you're telling off your conservative dad
>>154002913>>154003369i've gotten a bit of pushback for that take so i rewatched both. i guess afternoon is pretty harmless but i can barely sit through it. i usually rate shows for toddlers lower unless they're well-written or aesthetically interesting. victoria vincent's art bumps it up a little. my main thing is that the premise feels weak and being a toddler show it probably won't have any major lore developments. dracula has great background art and a better premise but the artstyle blows and the comedy falls flat. i'd say the art is about on par with afternoon overall. also i'm not sure how everyone else feels but if dracula had a less grating voice it'd move up a few ranks. i've been thinking about moving duck down too but it at least takes a swing even if it executes it poorly. i'll think about it some and might shift my rankings next week.
>>153997777I think it's the big bust in the OP image.
>>154003418What's with all of your dissonance to everyhting?
>>153996815another stinker. what was the idea behind this, what about this was supposed to be entertaining?
>>154003369there's no good "goreror", anon. There's only immature 12 year old edgelords who seek out gore to feel artificially tough because they've never experienced any actual stress, panic or suffering, like a rich white guy pretending to be black. And mentally ill people who have actually suffered, but instead of solving their problems and growing as a person, they instead go for the low-hanging fruit of wanting others to be miserable to feel less miserable about themselves temporarily like a narcissistic mean girl who got neglected and/or abused. There's a good chance I've described you, and if that's the case, save yourself the humiliation of throwing some ad hominem that will only prove me right and instead actually try to recognize that you can be better than this.
for archival purposes>>152839955 the first 8 Cartoon Cartoons>>153745259 the next 9 Cartoon Cartoons>>153878087 Mouthwash Madness>>153996815 Off the Menu
>>153996966>Mouthwash that low >Duck that high Faggot
>>154003602Touch grass
>>1540032072bit is a cute. I will do anything for her including defending her from haters.
>>153996815This actually feels like it could have been an actual Cartoon Cartoons short from the late '90s, I don't think anything else in this series so far has come nearly that close in overall vibes.
>>153996815FUCK YES FUCK YES FUCK YES!!!! This and Buttons were the only Cartoon Cartoons I cared about. Getting really sick of quirky gay guys and quirky lesbos.
>>154004810>moments before pure unbridled disappointmentPlease reply with what you thought of it, this short is a total fucking letdown.
>>154004845>dialogue-driven comedyOuch, the artstyle made me think this was R&S-like...
>>154004845nta but how the fuckthe bar is so so incredibly low now and this wasn't about brown lesbians
>>154002908I thought Spumcofags hated UPA and its derivatives? Why would you defend Butch of all people?
>>154004979I saw the whole thing. If it weren't for the artstyle, this would fit in more as a Smiling Friends gag.
>>153996815They made the chicken the "shy one", which seems like serious miscasting, considering what RL chickens are like.
>>154005006the entire thing is weird considering they're animals talking about their own meat products. At the very start I thought the joke was going to be that they were going to eat humans and I was ready to feel exhausted at every pause waiting for the punch line
>>154004984You ask lobotomite questions. Switch off the media consumption, read some old books and learn philosophy, challenge yourself to succeed and you won't ask these questions
>>154005215I know you can't bullshit your way around this time but at least try.
>>154005271Now you're looking for an opportunity to dominate someone. Stick a cock in it since you're dedicated to being a lobotomite sodomite.
>>153998616>>153998896i wanted the space cop one to get a show
>>154004984Because we got Mirumo De Pon and Cartoon Saloon out of it.
>>154002871Mmmm yummy, I LOVE lobster!
>>153996815The bull feels very asian with those eyes I didn't care for it.Looked good but the writing felt boring like it want to be drunk history but without the drunkness and focusing only on food
>>153998608too old to be funnyonly people with strong comedian level humor can stay funny in their old age
>>154002761 I have not seen that one, why is the dracula one so bad?
>>154003007at least we will see a revival and crossover art with Ruby Gillman
>>154003140>Dan HaskettKnew he had a hand in this pic.
>>154006869He is the GOAT character designer after all.
>>154005430>Immediately thinks of gay shitThose who are hungry yearn for bread.
>>153996815Kinda surprised by the negative reception cuz this might've been my favorite short so far. I felt like the characters had pretty good chemistry and they actually had a solid mix of chemistry and actual genuine fun facts about food. I dunno it would be nice for it to have more to it but I would definitely watch it as a series of food based shorts.
Disappointed that this is rigged instead of frame by frame but then again it's a talking show so can't really blame them.
>>153996815That was... Meh
>>153996815>Character designdid Kyle Carrozza work on this?
>>154000572jesus christ, the image was spoilered and I was still jump scared.
>>154002761This
>>153997023I would like to retract my statement and place accordion higher and harmony lower. First I viewed accordion as a "cute little short", but in hindsight I would love to see more of it in a short segmented format, so:Mouthwash = Madison&Skyler = Button's > A for Angel > Accordions/Melodica > Maude = Fruitstand > Harmony > Hungry Ghost > Fools > Bird&Squirrel > Duck > Samson > Afternoon > Mandy >>> Iscream > Jocelyn > Menu >>> absolute dog shit >>> Dracula
>>154007474yeah it's entertaining
>>153996815not bad not bad at all
>>153996815>bacon grease babyHAHAHAH, THOSE ANIMALS ARE SO FUCKING FUNNY THEY MAKE ME WANNA MERGE WITHOUT LOOKING
>>154007474It’s classic
>>154010900this but unironically, I had fun with this short
all this series of shorts has proven so far is most animators shouldnt write or direct
>>154014656well, which ones were the exception according to you?
>>154014656Or that they should do more to become more experienced
>>153996815They talk way too much and it reminds me of that old Spike TV show that one Nick creator did of the guys just sitting at a bar and talking, I don't remember the name but I'm getting those vibes. Not a bad concept for Adult Swim but it doesn't work here. And the cartoony stuff isn't good at all, I was expecting more honestly judging by the art.Very mid and misleading.
>>153996815Oh, you wanna talk about meat? Here's another meat-themed cartoon, much better with a fraction of the budget and runtime: https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/623616
>>154016459This. I don't know why retards on here are against the idea of animators getting involved with writing. Richard Williams and Don Bluth, animators great for their time can do both. Don Bluth might have some misses here and there, but he is pretty good at writing.
>>154019065That's a very mall if vocal sector, typically John Kuck fanboys.
>>154019096I thought as much, but even mentioning his name would spawn a swarm of his annoying dicksucking fanboys like Anthony for instance.
>>153998563Sex with Mortichae (in exchange for a ride back to Nyarlyins)
>>154019241I remember that glorious time he was popular on /co/.
>>153996815This was... underwhelming.
