Thoughts on the opinion that some people have that characters like Captain Marvel or Plastic Man should never have been incorporated into the DC Universe?Considering everything they've done with them since acquiring them, do you agree? Disagree? Somewhere in the middle?
>>154001666They might as well be second rate citizens, so yeah, DC doesn't deserve them.
>>154001666Since DC only has Billy because they bankrupted Fawcett with a frivolous lawsuit its especially distasteful.
>>154001666Captain Marvel absolutely should never have been integrated into the greater DC universe. Standing next to Superman he just comes off as a store brand discount version. Like if you could pick Superman or Captain marvel to save you who would you pick? I’d argue the same for the Charlton characters, in their own setting they’re unique but in the DCU they’re a dime a dozen. I never understood why everything has to be in the same universe anyway, it just detracts from the characters if they weren’t made with that universe in mind.
>>154001666>Thoughts on the opinion that some people have that characters like Captain Marvel or Plastic Man should never have been incorporated into the DC Universe?I don't care.
>>154002287No.
>>154001666billy was doing fine with DC until the johns reboot fucked everything up. and the fact is, if DC hadn't bought these characters, most of them wouldn't be getting ANY attention anymore.>>154002313>I’d argue the same for the Charlton characters, in their own setting they’re unique but in the DCU they’re a dime a dozen.maybe a controversial opinion but i think watchmen should have used the charlton characters.
>>154001666Plastic man and the spirit used to be owned by the same company?
>>154001666Captain Marvel's been heavily benched, but I don't think he'd fair better public domain or kept to his own sphere.Oddly I like the interactions Black Adam had with the JSA.As for Plas him vs Burning Martian is too peak to mind any other trip ups.
>>154002380Nah, he right.
>>154002449>billy was doing fine with DCBilly was NOT doing fine.DC didn't start shitting on Billy Post-Flashpoint, Post-Crisis Billy was still jobbing, getting replaced and losing his powers.One of his last appearances before Flashpoint had him losing his powers and ending it like that, DC didn't care about him, they clearly cared more for Black Adam, he was their big character that they wanted to use.
>>154002572No.
I think there's definitely a way to make these characters work in DC, but the problem is that no one who works there actually cares about them enough to try.Like, remember that Plastic Man is meant to have his own city? Most people don't, he's been reduced to comic relief and team fodder.
Kyle Baker’s Plastic Man deserved at least 50 issues
>>154002776Honestly could've existed without a connection to the DCU.
>>154002313I'll be honest, Superman comes off like a bigger discount of the two when you look past the immense merchandising machine behind Superman. There was something genuine about CM that you don't get with Superman.
>>154001666Plas was never going to survive after Jack Cole.
>>154002672Yes.
>>154001666DC should at least reprint the golden age Shazam family stuff
>>154002736This
>>154003155Most of the genre conventions actually started with CM, Superman had to be reworked a few times to fit the mold.
>>154001666Let's imagine Marvel bought them instead. How would they have changed them to fit into that universe?
>>154002531>public domainhe already is public domain>>154002509more like Quality licensed the Spirit character.nobody other than Eisner ever owned The Spirit wholesale during his lifetime and today whatever remaining copyrights exist are owned by Eisner's estate (although actually a shit ton and i mean a SHIT TON of the original Spirit stories were never renewed including his first appearance so legally speaking he is PD right now)
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>>154003155Have you read a lot of Golden Age Captain Marvel? because a lot of it is a slog. I do think it's a brilliant idea but outside of highlights it really isn't anymore genuine. I think Shuster's 50's return to the character is a pretty genuine basis as well.
>>154001666I haven't liked DC's treatment of Plas. >>154002449Watchmen would have been held back by the Charlton characters.>>154002776Only the first six and the last one or two were alright. All the stuff in the middle was low-effort trash. Scott Morse drew some nice issues, but they were thin on plot and low on entertainment value.>>154003483I guess one good outcome of DC owning the character is the Jack Cole reprints.
>>154001666Can I use the original versions of the characters without infringing copyright?
>>154002313>Captain Marvel absolutely should never have been integrated into the greater DC universe.Same with Wildstorm characters.
>>154001666Captain Marvel only works if he's in his own comic universe, because the original Fawcett comic universe was a lot more magic-heavy than DC's. That, and since he's basically Fawcett's version of Superman, there's no point in he and Supes being in the same comic book world.The best way to do it IMHO was back when Captain Marvel and Superman were comic book characters in each other's universe. That made for plenty of hilarious crossovers.
>>154001666Plas got a better treatment than Billy
>>154001666Satan asking the hard questions
You kown, Plas at least got notable runs with the JLA and The Terrifics, meanwhile Billy really got nothing.
>>154001666Kneecapping Fawcett in their prime, depriving the world of more Captain Marvel stories, then setting into motion all the trademark bullshit that followed only to then buyout the remaining copyrights and do next to nothing with Billy and friends for the next 50 odd years is still really egregious. Atleast there were a few tv and cartoon appearances over the years, and some good runs came out of it, but like many of DC's other acquired characters very little was done to maintain them in the public conscious. Alot of what got us here is still pretty scummy, but that's comics for you.
>>154003509This. Enough with the sheepishness over racist imagery. Just sell me a decent collection of Monster Society reprints. I dont want to have to depend on fucking Gwadwanaland.
>>154004475Captain Marvel unironically would have fit better in the MCU than the DCU. Bill Black wrote a whole unofficial fan comic about this in the early 70's. I wish it were availible online.
>>154004490Cap and Plas both being PD and yet having nothing to show for it depresses me. I understand DC was annoyingly ligitious, but post-1998 that really stopped being a major obstacle.
>>154004693NTA but I like Captain Marvel because alot of the hallmarks for silver age Superman were established earlier on in his adventures. Frankly it's a testament to how much better the character worked when divorced from the DCU. Really I still think golden age Cap reads like something wayahead of it's time by about 20 or even 30 years.
>>154005237I wish Thunderworld saw more exploration beyond just passing mentions in multiverse stories. The Crime Crusaders genuinely made for a pretty fun super team line up despite seeing action once or twice.
>>154001666I promise you none of these people's fathers are old enough to have witnessed any of this. possibly grandfathers.
>>154006867The DC lawsuit actually got thrown out the first time. Captain Marvel kept going until Fawcett stopped being popular. DC did get a lawsuit win by then, but Fawcett was ready to call it quits by then. DC didn’t really cut it down in its prime.
>>154006976That's not the impression I've gotten at all. DC basically subjected Fawcett to years of lawfare because they could absorb the losses without breaking a sweat. Fawcett would win these cases but eventually succumbed to the wallet rape, which is why they shuttered their doors into the early 50's, ontop of all the seduction of the innocent stuff making comics as a whole seem unprofitable. People really underestimate how bad capeshit sales were getting in the 50's.
>>154001666I think they would've done better to stay with their original owners
>>154007190/thread I also still think Marvelman would have been better off in Todd Macfarlane's possesion over Gaiman/Marvel's
>>154006960my dad was born in 1950
>>154007068Diminishing sales of superheroes was the main reason they reduced their comics. The lawsuit certainly contributed because, but Captain Marvel comics still were published all through the 40's and it certainly rode out it's prime. Like you said, superhero sales diminished in the 50's, Fawcett shifted gears to chase mostly license adaptations in the last waning decades. Could they have made a comeback with the second superhero boom around '59? Maybe, but it's not a definite thing.
>>154007220Gaiman gave us a middling continuation, but honestly Todd's Man of Miracles is just more barely sensible fumes from his imagination, an especial lack is apparent here in how he just wanted to leave his notch on post-Moore Miracleman without much effort working within the confines as Neil at least did.But I do agree that Marvel's acquisition and parading around of the property before losing interest and legal hurdles has been no less shallow. At the very least they haven't given me cause to shake my damn head like say have Miracleman fumble around as the lapdog of a clown like Norman Osborn.
>>154001666No one would know who they were if DC didn't have them
>>154007516Not Captain Marvel, he'd persist through the Elvis trivia.Maybe also lazy shorts after the Captain Marvel movie: Did You Know There Was A Captain Marvel BEFORE Carol Danvers, quickly mentioning and dismissing Mar Vell isn't who they mean to talk about Fawcett for less than an minute.
Ordway run and earth 5 special is good. Other companies would have turn Billy into Miracleman like how DC try to turn Atom into Manhattan.I think they should grow Up Billy in the main earth and have the earth 5 for the kid Billy adventures.
>>154007516Wronglate 50s to the 60s was when the kids that grew up reading comics during the 30s, 40s, and early 50s were starting to shape comics discourse. If you start looking into a lot of those zines you start seeing how much they brought up Captain MarvelEven if DC didn't pick him up, someone else would've. Same thing with Plastic Man.>>154004475Hard to say. It depends on when they would buy it, though. If they bought it in like the 70s then I'd guess Roy Thomas or someone else would come up with some way to integrate them into the Marvel Universe, maybe have them around during the 1940s and 50s and reappearing in the present day. I think it would've clashed with what people liked about the Fawcett stuff, though.
>>154007632DC acquired Billy, though.
>>154006944DC should have an imprint other earths ongoing/minis.Has Earth 2(reboot It to be preflashpoint one), earth 5 , KC and DCAE ongoing
>>154002313Everything ended up being on the same universe because DC got advised that getting rid of the multiverse was a good idea>I’d argue the same for the Charlton characters, in their own setting they’re unique but in the DCU they’re a dime a dozen.I only partially agree. I think Blue Beetle ended up being helped by his association with Booster Gold on the JLI
>>154004475Worse because Marvel is shit.
The actual butterfly effect of this is not "Oh character in a different universe" it's what does DC (and comics generally) look like if Otto Binder isn't writing so much of Silver Age Superman.
>>154002449Checked.
>>154007737Maybe no Supergirl.Finder and legions author would have introduced other scifi stuff.Or maybe O'neil Superman 1971 would have worked.
>>154007068>>154007364It's not just that DC was suing Fawcett, they were also persuading licensors to stay away from Captain Marvel with the threat that DC wouldn't work with them if they worked with FawcettHad Fawcett gotten more money from licensing Captain Marvel they may have been able to hold their own against the lawsuits
>>154001666Probably, but at this point this just feels like crying over spilled milk.Like, this shit happened a long time ago, before many of us were even born, I'd rather think of solutions to their horrible modern mismanagement over just imagining how better they would be if they weren't owned by DC.Being banished to their own separate universes wouldn't work imo, they've relatively big parts of the DCU for so long that taking them out now would just feel like a waste to me. It would also wrongly imply that their stories don't "matter" if they're separated out of main canon, making less people interested, just look at what happened with that Milestone thing, the truth is people will always want the possibility of seeing these acquired characters interact with DC ones. There are ways to have self-contained stories for these characters use and expand their own mythos without relying on the larger DCU while STILL taking place in the DCU, other books have done it before, it just takes restraint and creativity, along with someone who genuinely cares about these characters and their histories.
>>154001666DC should make a marvel style deal with Fantagraphics and let them reprint some of their older stuff that they don't care about like some Captain Marvel comics (or sugar and spike)Though I doubt they would do a full 30 volume run of every golden age Marvel Family comics.
>>154002449Watchmen would have been a radically different story if it kept the Charlton cast. Moore even admits (as much as DC fucked him over) it worked out better doing expies rather than using them directly.Another great example of Len Wein being based as fuck
>>154009039Well yeah, Rorschach is more Mr A than Question, Silkspectre is more like Phantom Lady or black canary than Nightshade and Nite Owl is more Dick Grayson or a grown up Peter Parker than Blue beetle.Would have been annoying for Wein so is better that way.>>154008110I think Billy at this point should grow up, maybe pair him with a new kid that both share the shazam power.Billy has been a kid and saw Superman, batman, flash and many others heroes's children to grow up.
>>154002313> they weren’t made with that universe in mindThat's 99% of the iconic super hero characters.
>>154009134I know Billy has stagnated as a character a lot, but I think part of the problem is that DC has barely scratched the surface of what they can actually do with him.I've said it before, but it feels like all DC does with Billy is>job>lose his powers/have them malfunction>give his powers to someone else>gush over the other heroesBilly has never gotten a proper "return to form" like many other characters have, it's always DC trying to do something drastically different with him, failing, and then pushing the spotlight onto some other Marvel, whether it's Freddy, Black Adam, or Mary (just wait a few years and they'll probably push Darla next) or just putting him on limbo without any explanation.I honestly don't even think aging up Billy would be a bad idea, probably young college age, he doesn't have to be a kid forever, and we could always have flashback stories of him as a kid I think.That said, we don't fucking need more Marvel Family members, they barely use the ones they already have, and Billy shouldn't have to always share the spotlight with someone, his character has already suffered enough for that.
>>154007068>People really underestimate how bad capeshit sales were getting in the 50's.Why did that trend happen anyways?
I definitely understand Captain Marvel because it just makes the character's established world feel smaller compared to the rest of DC, but Plastic Man fit right in and became DCs most popular stretchy guy so I don't see how they was an issue.
>>154002220Fpbp
>>154009343Seduction of the innocent court case left most parents believing capeshit made kids gay. As a result tons of boomer's childhood comic collections were burned or delivered to recycling centers. On occassion however many would be repackaged and distributed for resale. Your best hope for capeshit titles as a kid in the 50's was your local grocery store carrying those comics 3 for 40 cents. Otherwise Superman and Batman were the only games in town.
>>154009445Like Captain Marvel, Plastic Man was very clearly the center of attention in his own little world. Like all of DC's other acquisitions dumping these characters into the DCU just detracts any attention away from them. It's a very literal case of "if everyone's super, nobody is".
>>154007685Agreed. If they could stop wasting resources on stupid bullshit like DKM or jurassic league, an oversized anthology comic exploring all DC canon would be really fun. You could bring on different talent for every issue, experiment with obscure characters, and test the waters with old favorites that havent seen use in awhile. Unfortunately comics arent run like a business, they're run like a club house.>>154007702Nobody weeps about the Ultraverse but I still see the line up's fate as a travesty. An entire generation of capeshit bulldozed and paved over. It's really sad shit.
>>154008029Man that's even cuntier. National/DC really loved to rub salt in the wound. Unrelated but I wish there were more pics of vintage Captain Marvel merch online. Anytime the subject pops into my head I'm always tempted to buy the Chip Kidd book. Gosh what I would do for a whole line of replicas of these toys.
>>154009341Another problem is that like many heroes that had a long run in the 90s, nobody cares to follows Ordway's 5 years run . Winnick has 2 miniseries(and one share the protagonist with superman),Jeff has one miniseries, Geoff was mostly JLA's extra story,... Is the same problem heroes like Captain Atom and Firestorm had.
>>154009713This looks creepy
>>154009445You don't see why it was an issue because like most people, you're not familiar with Plastic Man's history before he just became "DC's stretchy guy that they use as comic relief or team fodder".
>>154009882That's part of the SOUL
>>154009956Doesn't make it any less bad.
>>154009629Just put plastic in his town again were human bomb , phantom lady and others character live and Uncle Sam is the major.You know, sorta what robinson did with Starman sending him to opal city, and less sending Alan scott to gotham so Batman can steal his villains.
>>154010092Bet most writers at DC don't even know Plastic Man's city.It's Mammoth City btw
>>154004475I'm surprised that they never thought of buying Captain Marvel when they have the chance. Fawcett cease the publication in 1953 and Marvel created Mar-Vell in 1967. DC started to license Captain Marvel in 1972 from Fawcett until they fully bought the characters in 1991
>>154002220First post best post.Captain Marvel > Superman, and Plasticman deserves far better.
>>154011058>Captain Marvel > Superman,Nope
>>154011080Yep
>>154010092I'd read it but I dont trust the current year DC crew to do right by these characters. It's all going to have to be dedicated fans but they're few in number even now. I've tinkered with ideas for all these characters but the lack of investment online always demoralizes me.
>>154010273They were probably scared of DC suing them.>>154011058pic related
>>154009629Every superhero was the center of attention in their own little world. You had no impression that any other costumed heroes existed in Superman or Batman or Sandman etc for many years.
>>154012218There was overlap between Fawcett and Quality heroes, just as there was overlap among golden and silver age DC titles. It was nothing like we see now but it was present. Loose continuity has it's advantages. Lori Lemaris can exist in an Atlantis apart from Arthurs.
>>154012264Funny thing is, Lori Lemaris was from Atlantis before Aquaman.
>>154012371Woah I had no idea, three year difference too.
Jack Cole Plastic Man is something I guess I just don't get, people talk about it like a masterpiece and it's just...ok. Even in terms of art I don't think it's a standout for the era. I'm fine with Plastic Man being the Jim Carrey of the DCU, it's a good niche for him that makes use of his powers. People say making Plas funny himself ruins the point, but I don't get that.
>>154012795Is not about Plas being funny, it's about Plas only being reduced to just being comic relief when he used to be able to have his own adventures where he was the main character.
>>154001666Shit said by motherfuckers trying to cope about why they never buy anything but Batman.
>>154009629Kinda, but not exactly.The problem isn't that they're in a large universe full of heroes and they're somehow less special because of it, that applies to other characters like Batman, Superman, Flash, etc. And they don't have any problems like that, they all have their own little corners in the DCU.Problem is that with characters like Billy and Plas, DC doesn't really give them their own corners, they've been reduced to bit players, either as jobbers, team fodder, comic relief, etc.Imagine if Superman wasn't allowed to do things in Metropolis, and he only had sporadic appearances in JL, maybe Luthor even gets more use as a general DCU villain because writers find him more interesting. Meanwhile all the rest of his friends and foes are completely ignored and forgotten.That's how it is with Billy and Plas, the writers at DC don't care about giving them their corners and they'd rather just use them to make other characters seem better, as supporting cast, as a joke, or just make them fight other heroes' villains in other heroes' cities, because they're part of the DCU, and that's it, they don't get their own unique stuff.
>>154001666I think Captain Marvel probably shouldn't have, no one ever does anything interesting with this guy except fighting Superman. Plastic is just a comedy guy, it doesn't matter what universe he's in.
>>154007507If Todd still owned the character there’s an actual chance he could’ve convinced Alan Moore to come back and work on the character more. With it in marvels hands and the last thing done with it was the connection it has to the cancelled Gaimen well now it’s just going to literally rot in the back annals of marvel like ultraverse
>>154012967Moore doesn't want to come back, imbecile. You're so dumb.
>>154002313>>154003155>>154004693The reason is because Otto Binder, arguably the best Captain Marvel writer ended up working in DC comics after the lawsuit against Fawcett Comics.Also another reason that blemished Captain Marvel image was that DC Comics went for editor C.C. Beck to work on the revival of the character in DC and between him being too stuck in the golden age mindset and DC editors being a pain in the ass, the return of the character was a failed one.
>>154004475Nothing. Either Billy's Capt. Marvel completely replaces Mar-Vell or he's just the Golden Age original who gets trotted out as an adult for a Captain America/Avengers story, then is confirmed dead by the 90s/00s just like every other Golden Age Marvel character whose name isn't Steve Rogers of Namor.Meanwhile, Plas either gets the Golden Age treatment or he's a basically just like Forbish Man: only shows up when Marvel wants to be silly and self deprecating.There wouldn't be any Kingdom Come or Plastic Man getting his push in the 2000s.
>>154005237>That, and since he's basically Fawcett's version of Superman, there's no point in he and Supes being in the same comic book worldI want to see a what if where Captain Marvel tries to replace Superman after his death.
>>154009690A big phonebook sized anthology just called DC Elseworlds or Multiversity would be fun.
>>154007702Is there a way to use the character without getting into problems?
>>154013382To be fair, if Miracleman proves anything, I'm sure they could've found SOME use for Billy and friends, at least to give some kind of modern legacy.Maybe something like Moon Girl or Kamala Khan.
>>154013654Miracleman would have just been a Marvel comic, then. And Shooter would have meddled in it, big time.
>>154005237>because the original Fawcett comic universe was a lot more magic-heavy than DC'slmao, no it wasn't. Captain Marvel fought against nazis, invading space aliens, mad scientist, robots and such. The whole "Captain Marvel should be a magic oriented character" was an effort of DC for him not eating the position of Superman.
>>154009343>>154009618This is an ahistorical take. The publication of Wertham's book and the congresional hearings about comics happened in 1954. At least 6 months after Fawcett decided to stop the publication of Captain Marvel's comics. The reality is the comic market was shifting from superheroes comics to horror stories comics and capes' popularity with kids and teenagers was declining and just a image of something uncool.
>>154013438It'd be a good way to experiment with the format. I still believe the old floppy approach is dead and buried.
>>154001666Plas got a decent treatment even if he is mostly team fodder. Billy on the other hand got fucked way before new 52 even happened.
>>154014430>Plas got a decent treatmentHe lost his CITY, his SIDEKICK, his SUPPORTING CAST, and his VILLAINS.HE'S JUST THE CLOWN OF THE JUSTICE LEAGUE
>>154014470Okay, none of what you said is wrong... but he still got some cool moments, okay?
>>154014430Billy at least got the Jeff Smith comic, which is probably the last great Captain Marvel media we've gotten.
>>154014470>He lost his CITY, his SIDEKICK, his SUPPORTING CAST, and his VILLAINS.They're still there in theory, it's just that he can barely support a comic. Any character that only thrives in team books suffers the same fate.
>>154014635>in theoryMEET THEORETICAL MAN>His city? It supposedly exists.>His sidekick? Conveniently missing.>His supporting cast? Don't interact with him anymore.>His villains? He fights them all the time off-panel!>Isn't he such a funny guy haha, make another silly face Plastic Clown!>They call him 007>0 solo books>0 respect from the publisher>7 teams joined as comic relief
>>154014788Almost forgot>Always "in theory" but never "in reality"
>>154014635Even teams suffer this fate. Remember The Author- I mean, Stormwatch? Me neither.
>>154014788They're all theoretical man, is my point anon. Hawkman, Zatarra, Doctor Mid-Nite, Spectre, whomever. All these characters had their own standalone adventures, their own cast, villains, cities. But when they only appear in team books, all you get is them.
>>154012407Aquaman was only raised by his scientist father in the ruins of Atlantis, it was retconed in the silver age.
>>154004475I think Plastic Man just becomes a Z lister that gets placed in the background for group kills. Stretch powers don't seem to get used a lot.Could see CM becoming a B-C lister if they manage to keep stories going from his popularity at the time. Predating all the other super man spoofs, he change a lot of the universe depending on how they handle him.
>>154009343Sales just dropped on a lot of superhero comics after World War II ended. Part of this is also because when you actually look at old Golden Age comics, you see a lot of comics that lasted briefly because comic companies usually bailed on anything that they didn't feel was working to promote anything that worked. So like Mystery Men Comics started out with the Green Mask on the cover but they relegated him to backup status after Blue Beetle was doing way better than him. So when superhero comics weren't doing that well and suddenly romance and crime comics were, companies jumped on the romance and crime bandwagon. >>154009618SOTI had absolutely nothing to do with superhero sales declining, what the fuck are you even talking about? That was already happening in the late 40s.
>>154014950>Hawkman, Zatanna, SpectreStill get their own runs, which give them exactly what Plastic Man lost, sidekicks, friends, foes, a CITY.It doesn't happen a lot since they're relatively B-Listers, but they still get it more than Plastic Man, who doesn't get shit.His latest solo book was a shitty mini BY GAIL SIMONE WHERE HE DIDN'T EVEN FIGHT HIS OWN VILLAIN, HE WAS JUST BUMMING AROUND WITH C-LIST DC VILLAINS>Doctor Mid-NiteOkay, this one was always part of All-Star Comics and All-American comics lolThe difference here is that Plastic Man USED TO get books of his own, now he doesn't even get that, he's at the level of Doctor fucking Mid-Nite, how amazing.>when they only appear in team books, all you get is them.Again, that's the fucking problem, all the characters you mentioned still focus and books of their own, Plastic Man doesn't, he's been relegated to just team fodder for most of his time at DC.
You know, considering how popular One Piece and Luffy are in the west, DC could at least try to capitalize on the stretchy guy who doesn't take things too seriously.
>>154013402What was Billy doing when Supes died?
>>154015454Having a confused continuityI only remember that Ordway's Power of Shazam GN was out in 1994, but I don't know if that was when the Roy Thomas stuff got retconned out or not, or if it already happened before that
>>154002776>>154004995I thought the first and second parts were great. The last bit that didn't get collected until recently was not as good.
>>154013887He also had Sabac as a villain.
>>154014581IDK, I thought The Multiversity: New Adventures on Thunderworld and the Convergence tie-in were good Captain Marvel books. Justice (2005) also had some good moments with Captain Marvel, like Billy saving Superman and later using his own transformation to stop The Flash from running himself to death.
>>154015625Sabbac started a villain of Captain Marvel Jr. And his appearances could be counted with a single hand.
>>154001666>captain marvel and plastic man would work better on their own worldbasically every character works better on their own world or at the very least they act as if they are on their own 99% of time outside of designated team up books like JLA or brave and the bold
>>154006882Or at least, if DC doesn't want to deal with it, just release the last chapter of Monster Society into the public domain
>>154001666I sort of get itJust look at how even the recent acquisitions fare poorly like say, Wildstorm stuff ever since Jim went back to the plantationWasn't Elongated Man made because they didn't know they had already acquired Plastic Man?
>>154017745>Wasn't Elongated Man made because they didn't know they had already acquired Plastic Man?Yes
>>154005107yup. Jim Lee sold his kids for retirement
>>154007220how stupid does TOdd have to be to need a predator like gayman to come up with Angela/Cagliostro?
>>154002313>Standing next to Superman he just comes off as a store brand discount versionSuperboy and Supergirl literally would not exist without Captain Marvel Jr. and Mary Marvel though
>>154012886I remember there was a Plasticman cartoon and he even had a baby.
>>154001666Talking about these, I wonder how the shadow will fare once he hits the public domain.
>>154012944I suspect this shit is corporate mandate at DC. they just shove acquired property into a filing cabinet and use sporadically just to keep the IP.
>>154013619according to Fatboy Quesadillas the Ultraverse is trapped in a complex whirlpool of legal mumbo jumbo so they cant touch this sit for some reason.
>>154021109DC is an unofficial pyramid scheme, even Wonder Woman is actually pretty low in the totten despite being nominally one of the top 3.
>>154021195Isn't WW also an acquired character?
>>154018291Todd still came up with the designs which is like 90% of their characters, Gaiman's contribution was basically "oh wot if heaven had Spawn hunters, wouldn't that be quaint?"
>>154001666ngl i think the reason people are like this is that they never know what they had until it was gone; there's no whiz or police comics, and therefore no weird ideal plastic man/captain marvel of theirsb'let's be real, if it weren't for DC, eel obrien wouldn't be in one of the best DC shows to date: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo6UPdgChLo
It's kind of funny Plas originally acted like generic hero guy but his powers let him do silly things
>>154021241Technically yes, but flash and green lantern are faring better than her, despite coming from the same company.
>>154021413Reading his old old comics, you quickly realize the comedy wasn't from Plas acting silly, but rather him being a serious guy, and everyone else acting silly.
>>154016253Man, that Captain Marvel Jr. artist, Mac Raboy, was next level for this era. Look at Jr's face, I'm sure it's done by reference but it's full of personality. It may be strange to think it of the sidekick book, but one reason I've heard why Jr. was so popular (and why Elvis would specifically be drawn to it) was because it was drawn with a more realistic style and aimed at slightly older boys. Not to say it was a mature comic, but in a way it was like a proto of what something like Spider-man would be later on.
>>154020203Nothing because no one actually cares about the public domain.Maybe a shitty horror movie.
>>154004475Both of them would be cucked and get replaced with a darkie
>>154004517Kek
>>154021372I've seen many people unironically say they'd rather have Cap and Plas forgotten over being part of DC.And like, that feels a bit much.
>>154001666The virgin Danny Colt getting brutally mogged by the chad Eel
>>154021354Todd would have won the legal case but Neil has a charming British accent and is fairly intelligentTodd is a blockhead
>>154021520I would compare it with manga, where the angle of the self insert if slightly different than regular Captain Marvel. This is a kid that receives an improved version of himself instead of a 'costume' like Billy.Btw, Raboy jumped ship to draw the Flash Gordon newspapers strip, since the original artist was always a big influence of him.
>>154001666I'm still mad about them replacing Fawcett City with fucking Philadelphia.It's insulting.
