It's the man jaw that ruins her design if you ask me
I wonder what happened to Glen Murakami, after Ben 10 he just worked on Beware the Batman and the disappeared.Guess he retired or found some other career.
>>154009010Maybe he lost motivation
>>154008993>>154009010>>154009026Cool story incel bro.
>>154009010He vanished from the social consciousness so much that I've seen people attribute the Teen Titans show solely to Derrick J. Wyatt.And like, sure, he worked on it, but Murakami was the showrunner, he made the show, he's behind most of the now iconic designs.
>>154008993Women age like milk
>>154008993I think it's the lips.. they could be more subtle.
>>154009098I think they are fine
>>154008993Her chin looks like it's wider then her neck.
>>154009172>Her chin looks like it's wider then her neck.I can't unsee that now
>>154009144I don't know, maybe they are too angular for me. Bruce timm made all his adult female characters have lips and they worked for me and most people.
>>154009041Stfu
>>154009194To be fair it's well done on Wonder woman for example, though I remember Hawk girl had similar lips like Gwen but it's been a while
>>154008993I don't recall anybody asking you.
>>154008993For some reason women really love man jawed women
>>154009615Because they are dykes
Gwen became an international sex symbolThis embarassed the studioAnd ever since they've been beating her with the ugly stick to try and undo the damage.STOP making all your characters childrenSTOP making all your characters relatedAnd watch like magic as none of your fanart is about underage incest.The answer isn't to make your art repulsive so fewer people like it. That's insane.
>>154009630I think a big part of it is that women don't like women who are prettier than them. So they see a cute cartoon face and rectify their negative reaction as disapproval. So they poopoo the designs until the characters look like men with makeup on
>>154009715You think so? Female artist tend to draw women sexy unless they love making it tumblrish, though the former can be atrributed most of the time when they self insert as said woman
>>154009702Omniverse Gwen is way cuter than Alien force/Ultimate Gwen
>>154009753Different contexts. A woman artist can draw an attractive woman and oftent do.But then say another artist is making the design and their role is just to approve it. Suddenly the context is different.
>>154008993My humblest effort to fix Gwen's design
>>154009715>I think a big part of it is that women don't like women who are prettier than them. So they see a cute cartoon face and rectify their negative reaction as disapproval.I only just recently realized you see a similar thing here where racefags will bellyache about animu characters being white (because they look simplified enough) but go mental seeing the detailed and lifelike faces of comic book characters (because they start to register it as the face of another human being and they view that as some kind of insult)
>>154009898Way better great job
>>154008993I like that Gwen and Ben can pass as twins. But I suppose her older version could have a better design.
>>154009898
>>154009982ZAMN
>>154009992Perfect
>>154009898>>154009992Jay Leno chin.
>>154009086There's a 90% chance that whoever says that phrase is bald or has a neck beard.
>>154010233>Projecting
>>154009992
>>154008993this is transphobic you heckin chud
Gwens first appearance in Omniverse mogs Alien Force Gwen
>>154010356I prefer how she looks in general in omniverse to Alien force
I've always been curious how much hatred towards UAF and OV here on /co/ is is simply tied to it changing their waifu design and pairing her up with Kevin.For all the hate she gets when it comes to genuine Ben 10 discussions on /co/ she seems to actually get talked about more then her OS version.
>>154008993It could've been so beautiful
>>154010544Cute
>>154010523All the rectons is what made people mad
>>154010523These people have always existed its best just to ignore them. OS Gwen is fine, UAF Gwen is fine, OV Gwen is fine, Reboot and comic are fine,
>>muh manjawIt's called classic Beauty not like some you tards would bother too know. Having that said in most cases of today and this Gwen they (probably) made her uglier on purpose, even the edits in this thread tell you as much because it still looks like shit
>>154008993Because they just reused Ben's design because this show was lazy and cheap as fuck
>>154010667>they (probably) made her uglier on purpose,Had a buddy that actually worked on AF for a bit. They made her look like that for a creator mandate. Ben and Gwen looking like siblings was always the plans. So it was either make Ben more feminine in a boys cartoon or Gwen more masculine. They did focus test and contrary to what you guys believe and all the porn, Gwen was never popular with boys. Ben 10 Alien Force ratings were beating out Star Wars. Ironically her relationship with Kevin brought in a ton of new female fans.
>>154010667But anon those females in your pics FIT their said settings, Gwen suddenly looking like that while not having the jaw of a woman look at Charmcaster for example it's night and day
>>154008993It could have been worse. Or better? Both designs are ass but it was either man jaw Gwen or fish eyes Gwen
>>154010852She looks like a weird mix of a character that fits in Totally spies and Kim Possible
>>154010842>Gwen suddenly looking like that while not having the jaw of a womanWut
>>154010667I think the problem is that the facial shading on most of those just look straight up better, on top of having better noses and lips too
>>154010762>>154010667Stfu, you mongrel
>>154010523Unless your show is for the blind the main characters look is going to be important. And there's not much excuse for it looking worse when a random fan with infinitely less resources can make a better design in no time.
>>154010973I think the problem is porn and incest gaslighted people into thinking this is sexually attractive I'm not saying it isn't a good design or that later incarnations aren't a downgrade but there not as much of a down grade as people here want to believe..
>>154011030>GaslightYeah no
>>154011030Almost all of porn exaggerates the sex appeal and gives everyone bigger proportions but original gwen works as a better base to go off of than af gwen.
>>154011039I hate using zoomie words too anon but its what I believe.You guys don't actually like the character, you just have a loli and/or incest fetish and you project it onto her, I don't blame you I do the same thing with characters all the time. I just wish /co/ was just more honest with why a lot of you get so insanely defensive when ever anyone try's to discuss anything that isn't incest or loli in these Gwen threads.I don't think you realize that the more defensive and esoteric you get with OS Gwen the less people are going to want to talk about her as time goes on.
>>154008993>>154011030My problem is that she both looks and acts like a different character entirely.I do like this fan design
>>154011117>You guys don't actually like the characterWrong, I for one hardly like Loli, but I really do like Gwen
>>154011127That looks really good
>>154011127See some random even managed to make ben look better
>>154011099I agree she has a better base but not some ungodly insanely better base.
>>154011117Liking a character is vague and you can like them just for their appearance. Someone ITT just posted a much better aged up version of her. I think you just don't want to accept af gwen looks worse.
>>154010771Assuming this is true they did it in the laziest way possible. There are ways to portray opposite gender twins without literally just copy pasting one of their faces onto another and also keeping their genders distinct. Gravity Falls did a gopd job with Mabel and Dipper for example. Also it's dumb because Ben and Gwen are cousins not actual twins. They wouldn't look identical. The original show literally showed they would grow up to not look identical or anywhere close to it so it's baffling that they went in that direction. But then again this is the same show that made all magic aliens and made Ben 10000 a guy that doesn't even transform into aliens. They made a lot of dumb creative choices>They did focus test and contrary to what you guys believe and all the porn, Gwen was never popular with boys. Ben 10 Alien Force ratings were beating out Star Wars. Ironically her relationship with Kevin brought in a ton of new female fans.This doesn't actually surprise me. It also explains the eventual drop off and people turning on AF/UA since those types of female fans tend to move on pretty fastStill beating out star wars is impressive but this was before the Disney buyout so star wars wasn't exactly at a high point in terms of popularity at the timeThe scene in the reboot show also makes more sense now where they made fun of AF/UA art style and melodrama.
>>154011030Why did a jeetbot reply to me
>>154010327Y'know I'm surprised that more people don't talk about the hair color and how it factors into the overall design
>>154010233it's a tranny, there's no one that hates women more than a tranny
>>154011127This is one of the things I want ai type tech to be used for when it's advanced enough. Just remaking shows or movies with fixes like this instead of waiting decades for them to bring it back even worse officially.
>>154011154She also has a more memorable soulful show
They had a great design with Gwen 10000. I don't know why Alien Force had to go and and try to fix what wasn't broken.
>>154011354I feel like most future designs are always just meant to be a what if not that I dislike her looking like that
>>154011354I don't know how anyone can question why she looks the way she does in AF when this frame exist.
>>154011300She just got a skin on Fortnight. When was the last time they ever did anything with OS Gwen?
>>154011206Me and him talked for hours about it. Like 90% of what /co/ bitches about in UAF they had no control over as artist and writers.
>>154011573Reminds me of Last Jedi
>>154011455That doesn't work as well when seemingly everything including worse super saiyan goku gets added to fortnite. Adding af gwen to a nearly decade old game isn't changing that her design and show sucked.
>>154011445?She looks nothing like alien force Gwen if that's what you're implying. She doesn't have a man jaw40 year Gwen amd 30 year old Gwen both build her OG 12 year old design while Alie Force completely abandons it to give us a tranny looking abomination.
>>154011772Handsome Ben
>>154010667>some have rounder or smaller chins>all have wider necks>most are older women>different head shapesIt works for the women in that pic but it doesn't fit Gwen's design and proportions. Her having the same head shape as Ben is bad. Her having the same chin width as fucking broad neck Kevin is bad. And for anyone that's going to say>b-b-b-but gwen and ben had the same head shape in the original series!!!Motherfucker that was before puberty! Did you know that it changes boys and girls drastically and in different ways?
>>154011573Most people on co blame Dwayne McDuffie and/or nameless execs at CN. Most people don't blame storyboarders, writers or artists not because they think they're blameless but because no one can actually name them. It's easier to pin the blame for UAF's oroblem on a single guy.A lot of the writers and artists who worked UAF actually worked on the OG series and a lot lf them would go on to work on Omniverse and the reboot.The only thing that really changes between series is the showrunners.
>>154011772>Lips>Hair>JawFactor in a different art style and I genuinely believe you're being pointlessly obtuse. Make no mistake anon I am not saying you have to like any design but to sit here and type, telling me that you in no way see how one could get to AF Gwen from this tells me theres no point in continuing to reply to each other.
>>154011953Naw. You're trying to force a connection that isn't there. Normally I'd just chalk this up to differences in opinion but you are legit insane if you're trying to convince anyone that those two designs are anything alike. Both Gwen 10,000's use og Gwen as a base for their design. Alien Force Gwen uses teenage Ben as a base for her design. Alien Force had to retroactively change what Gwen looked like as kid to match her teenage self while they left Ben and Grandpa Max relatively unchangedIf that's not enough proof that AF Gwen is not meant to look like any version of OG Gwen, intentionally or not, then you need to get your eyes checked.
This was the image that broke them
>>154012181I can just.imagine the Malaysian graphic designer stealing pics off Google image search and thinking this shot was the sweetest most romantic thing they ever saw. That they had to make it the biggest sticker and centrally locate it.
>>154011916From what we talked about here on /co/ the only thing you guys hate that they actually had control over was the Alien Magic thing that never actually happened. Which the crew hated because it was going to give Gwen a fuck ton of focus episodes.
>>154012181>broke themAnon you're the one still obsessing about it 20 years later.
>>154012324Why are you getting defensive?
>>154012181How would Max break the news to their parents?
>>154012254Yeah, everyone blames Dwayne McDuffie or that too. I don't know what you're trying to say here. Someone working on those shows had to have made the decisions everyone hated most and most people here, at least in my experience, blames McDuffie and the execs. Personally i don't think any of these decisions were made maliciously either. In fact if you look at McDuffies original pitch for the show, which is up on his website, it's a lot more faithful to the og show and looked really promising. You can see why Man of Action hired him. But at some point in developing the show a lot of things changed, which is normal and expected, but those changes sucked. Multiple people were responsible for those changes, those people suck. Not sure who you're trying to defend here unless you're friend is network exec at cartoon network in which case fuck him.
>>154012379Apologizes for bringing Kevin along in the rustbucket but its okay because as shown Ben is a very supportive uncle.
>>154012379He would reveal the existence of aliens and magic to their parents and that Ben is in possession of an alien superweapon that lets.him transform is terrifying alien monsters and has made him the target of space Hitler and that Gwen is a powerful witch nowThen sneak the pregnant thing at the end hoping the shock from the other news would make ot seem not as bad or at least easier to swallow. Mayne offer to get Gwen an alien abortion or something
>>154008993The fish lips are horrible too.
>>154012478>Then sneak the pregnant thing at the end hoping the shock from the other news would make ot seem not as bad or at least easier to swallow. Mayne offer to get Gwen an alien abortion or somethingLmao
>>154012403>Not sure who you're trying to defend here(u)AF in general, After shooting the shit with the guy, I got a greater appreciation for it. When you have a dude explaining to you that they wanted to do more like this >>154012489 but higher ups forced them to change it up more for toy sales. You get a little defensive.
>>154012416This is actually funny and subverts expectations, >>154012478This is gay tranny fanfiction.
>>154012176That screenshot looks so goofy. You sure you didn't edit it?
>>154012559Its suppose to be RAT Gwen, you see OS Gwen in like the 4th or 5th episode of AF in a picture. Anon is just being a needlessly defensive retard because OS Gwen makes his pee pee hard.
>>154012489See how nice this looks? She actually looks kind of like terra here, another character the voice actress did.
>>154012528>>154012582
>>154012559It's real. >>154012575Now this is a cope but I'll humor you. Explain why Gwen is the only one with a redesign, which coincidentally matches her AF design, but Ben and Max look exactly the same as their OG counterparts. Why is Gwen is the only one they felt the need to change?
>>154012489I think she can still have the lips but they need to be smaller. Or leave the bottom lip while erasing the top.
>>154010544Wow, it actually looks like an older Gwen from the original series instead of a totally different person.
>>154011354>>154011445>>154012941>>154010544I swear I am taking crazy pills.
If you a incest and/or lolifag you should go lay flowers on McDuffies grave. something like >>154012489 probably would have cute deeply into porn of her OS self and Ben. Look at any anime with a time skip.
>Cool story incel bro
>>154013086You're on a thread complaining about the design in a show that is almost 20 years old now not only this but you're complaining that it isn't as attractive as her ten year old design.>B-but it lo-looks n-nothing lik-e her Oo-o-S SelfYou're not fooling anyone on /co/ in current year.
>>154011127>My problem is that she acts like a different characterSo you still acted like a 10 year old when you were 15?
>>154013264I already know how this is going to play out anon.He's going to bring up her catty attitude all while ignoring all her banter early on with Kevin.
>>154013264No but they certainly act like 16 year old when their 30.
>>154010327
>>154009982SEXO
>>154009982Odd fetish
>>154013315You all would have complained about this.
>>154013648Nope.
Im actually happy they changed her up keeps things fresh and interesting. Ive read enough Bwen rewrites and uaf fix it fanfics that it makes me pretty happy they expanded the universe and characters. >>154013898Anything but OS Gwen with tits would have been hated by lolifags. I dont know how you could thing otherwise.
>>154013648We all would have complained about this.
>>154011030>>154011030Forget about it, her personality was just AWFUL.
>>154014106Thats what they like. Cunty bratty smart ass sitcom wife types who arent registered as competition and guys HAVE to put up with her.
>>154014015>Anything but OS Gwen with tits would have been hated by lolifags. I dont know how you could thing otherwise.No? Just fix up her Alien force design a bit and she looks good all the edits so far have been decent
>>154014106>>154014290The fact I dont know which one your talkinv about is funny.
>>154014290Sitcom wife fits UAF Gwen more. Thos sort of shit is what I mean when people say you like the idea of Gwen.
>>154012489>The fish lips are horrible too.It could have just been reduced it looked fine in Justice leauge when the female characters had it on them
Rewatching the OS with my kids All the attraction I remember having for her vaporized after like 2 episodes. The arguing isn't shippy at all to me now, its actually pretty realistic for two kids even how often and what they fight over is insanely relatable, its actually to the point where as an adult with kids even if Ben and Gwen weren't related it wouldn't really come off as shippy.MoA really did a good job making unlikable characters in the first series...
>>154012489>>154012901like this?
>>154008993thisalso the visible lips/lipstick most of the time characters look worse that way in animations
>>154016670Creep
>>154016734Reduce it a little bit
Alien Force is just not a good sequel in general. Kevin is not main character material, the new theme and episodes just aren't as fun. Older Ben and Gwen are fine as a concept but the show should not have been made in the middle of the CN Real push, it probably negatively influenced every aspect of the show
>>154015156UaF gwen is just dissaproving bitch girlfriend who is going to cheat eventually.She acts like she really doesnt like him and just puts up with him most of the time.
>>154009898>>154009992Those still look too big
>>154016907I always try to give it a chance but can never finish it
>>154016907>. Kevin is not main character material,The fact that even /co/ generally likes him, finds him funny, and produces bits of fan art here and there over Ben and Gwen should tell you otherwise.>>154016916Nice schizo babble anon.
>>154017026>The fact that even /co/ generally likes himThis board has the worst taste in cartoons and comics not counting reddit. /co/ is in love with their thread fanfiction and ideas how to "fix" shows, not the actual shows. Or it's just their fetish
I think she looks fine and the hate is overblown largely driven by bad screen shots and lolifags.>Pic relatedShe can be perfectly cute.
>>154016805By spending time with my kids enjoying shows I grew up with?
>I did not care for the original series.I don't think its bad or anything the road trip just got boring to me after like 12 episodes.
>>154010636Your reasoning amounts to a tu quoque fallacy. Just because something happened before, or seemingly happened before in a seemingly similar way, does not negate any argument made then or today. Further, those who tend to repeat your argument, such as seen on /a/, tend to also have low standards, coincidentally enough.
>>154018293Ben 10 Alien Force had higher raters when it aired than the OS ever did. Alien Swarm broke every CN record at the time for CN originals. Its a multiBILLION dollar franchise and you're trying to sit here and tell me it wasn't good because the Gwen still looks like Ben and the Plumbers are intergalactic now.Come the fuck on dude. Is it hard to just accept that going forward theres going to be a lot of fans that don't wanna fuck around with some fandom relics that are almost old enough to drink.
I like Omniverse Gwen the most. Those stupid cat eye glasses do for me.
>>154009982Do you think that if Ben takes Gwen's place on a date, Kevin would ever notice? Would he care?
>>154020175Would Ben?
>>154020175Funny comic, I find it hilarious for all of /co/'s whining about her UAF canonically its Ben that is pretty..
>>154017585Tbh, Alien Force's storyline lost steam quicker and only the Highbreed stuff was really worth watching. Both B10 have that problem as B10 isn't good with long term arcs, but the OS at least has cooler moments spread out.
>>154020863The OS had animation going for it and to me that was about it. Gwen was THAT fucking annoying to 11 year old me. Personally I think its a pity that such good animation was "wasted" on the OS, I would have loved to the same animation used for UAF and OV.
>>154017143I like how when ever anyone post cute UAF Gwen pics they never get any (you)'s trying to challenge it.
>>154008993With all the complaints I've seen on /co/ and some other places over the years about her character getting butchered in later seasons I wonder if a significant number of fans actually stopped watching the show because of it?
>>154021279I did after that awful magic retcon. Even before then I could not help think how much weaker Gwen was, OS Gwen by the end was way more versatile and powerful then AF
>>154021411OH its the magic retcon that never happened guy, I see you added more bs to your post. How ya doing man?>>154021411>OS Gwen by the end was way more versatile and powerful then AFI'm not even going to dignify this take with a repsonse but nice try.
>>154009898I think it's worse now
>>154021411>I did after that awful magic retconWhy? Seems like a pretty silly reason considering how much of an after thought magic was in the OS.
>>154021629>>154021411This take is literally hurting my brain because I just rewatch the series. >Even before then I could not help think how much weaker Gwen was, OS Gwen by the end was way more versatile and powerful then Gwen only fights in about 5 episodes of the OS 8 if you include and break up SOTO and negative 10. I'm not even joking. She literally has more action scenes in the first 10 or so episodes of AF than all of the OS..
>>154021411To be absolutely fair, even in the OS, it was kinda implied Gwen had something else going on, specifically in that scene that goes like>Gwen picks up Hex's staff>Charmcaster: "haha, you can't use that, only a master magician can!">Gwen uses it with no problemSo when the Anodite stuff was revealed later, I thought it made sense.Also, they did bring magic back anyway, Gwen being an anodite seemed to actually just make her more naturally adept at magic.
>>154009010He worked on that TMNT 2012 2D special (the one with the chibi turtles) and then retired. And then I guess he needed the money and had a small gig in Transformers Earthspark season 1. >>154009055He's still active on Instagram.
>>154008993Really I love AF but it was a massive downgrade style wise I get it was meant to be more classic comic inspired but really going from OS to that is a bit jarring
>>154008993Been thinking this since the first time I saw this shit design
Man the last 5 years or so of Ben 10 threads have been so funny. People are really starting to turn on OS Gwen even on /co/ of all places. Times really are changing.
>>154008993Hmm… I wonder what they did wrong.
>>154022620I don't think people are turning on her as a character as much as telling all the faggots who come to Ben 10 threads to fuck off with their loli and incest shit now that theres some new Ben 10 again. I fully expect the next show reboot be the final nail in the coffin for those folks.
>>154017143Nah. Gwen in the OG series had a brighter colorscheme and personality that she hardly ever looked or sounded like a dead Stacy.The female designs in the shows are mega annoying with their lipstick that it feels like they are inconfident with Gwen’s femininity at all.It doesn’t help that Ben himself isn’t a washed up character that lost any hope and joy inside of his heart to just barley smile for 99% of the show. Kevin felt like and looked like a more matured version of himself rather than being replaced by practically a whole new character altogether. They’ve should’ve brought in a whole new character at that point.
>>154022726I think you are severely misunderstanding the whole situation. They come back for the OG series because of the reboot and realized they didn’t actually like the older Gwens provided in the sequel series because of how overly dull she was.A lot anons here literally just wanted an older version of the Gwen from the OG series that is more in line with how the boys were depicted.
>>154022776>NahYeah
>>154022776Get fucked loli nigger.
>>154022620This is probably discourse knowing what kind of people sadly roam the site these days
>>154022806A lot of anons just want to jack off to loli Gwen their opinions couldn't be more irrelavent to the series.
Are you guys just not able to outgrow your loli fetish? I ask this sincerely as someone who used to enjoy the fetish, how old is too old before you start feeling weird about jacking off to cartoon kids? Do you see yourself being 40 jacking off to her? 50? 60?
>154022901>>OutgrownThe only thing you have outgrown is your integrity
>>154022849>You want a proper older Gwen like this but without the lipstick!>You are such a child fucker! You need to like a Gwen that looks like a Bratz doll and has less personality than one!Why did you ever like this character in the first place if your only defense is accusing me of being a pedo for wishing she looked more like her original design? I like Ben and Kevin because they do keep the original look of her OG designs and don’t change their faces for the sake of trying to make them look sexier (and failing because it doesn’t work in this 2d style).I think Cassandra from Tangled is mega appealing that is far more of my type. So screw off with your weird Loli accusations when this thread alone was staying away from any of this shit besides making older Gwen look more like younger Gwen.
>>154022901You're talking to a bunch of people in a thread complaining about a design in a show that ended 15 years ago. The only reason this thread got made was because the last Gwenthread got nuked and OP probably thought he could be sneaky.
>People who ere only talking about older Gwen and depicting their own takes of older Gwen and making edits of older Gwen looking more like her original design>One loli accusation later, the thread devolves between Loli-diddys who aren’t admitting they are into Loli that made the accusation and the the honest Loli-diddysI really fucking hate you people. You really have to bring in this shit to the thread when no one was talking about perving on younger Gwen. You guys need Jesus to actually repent from your disgusting mindsets.
>>154013315this actually does help a lot. I never placed gwen from the old show as an older version in the later design. She always felt like a totally different character with no relation to the first one really. The hair color bridges it a lot better.
>>154022975Who cares? This Gwen thread was only of older Gwens that only wanted to use OG Gwen as the baseline for her design: >>154011127It was you fucking ashamed loli fiddlers that had to bring it up out of fucking nowhere and tried to make it an objective fact.
>>154012489Honestly this looks good. You can still see the early design, even if she's going for a different style now later in life. She doesn't need to be a tomboyish 2000's style chick all her life, she just needs to still look like the same person
>>154023032But anon, the pedos are going to call you a pedo for saying this in this thread!
Do people not realize that there are those of us who give no shits about her OS design and actually prefer how she looks in UAF OV and the reboot?I don't think you guys are actually pedos in the sense you're about to molest kids, just that you are clearly obsessed with a pretty crappy character.
>>154022872You are the anon that gets off to kid Gwen. These anons were all about making older Gwen appealing.
>>154022965I'll give you an honest sincere response. You are asking for artistic consistency in a series that never had it. That is my problem with you people. You're trying to fix something that makes the series fun for me. I like seeing different iterations of all the characters and taking os Gwen, giving her tits and calling it a day is lazy to me.Also factor it that if shown the UAF Gwen that you hate would get reworked into what ever art style said series, thus almost certainly fixing her problems depending on the style>>154023085I have no problem with Loli anon.
Should have just made a normal Ben 10 thread. Every Gwen Tennyson focus thread ALWAYS devolved into this shit no matter what.
>>154023063>Oh no. My loli accusation was refuted by a normal person that thought I was being outright malicious >Instead, I would say you are a loli-lover for liking a “crappy character”, and down play it by saying “you wouldn’t hurt the kids.”Jesus would punch your teeth out if you think you could get away with this behavior on the earth. Only wicked women act this disingenuous. I know you are a malicious bitch out to slander people and destroy lives simply because we think your dull haired waifu is a poorly handled character in her writing, design, and personality. She’s literally the most dullest bitch in the whole show because that’s how the writers would write what they define to be a woman.
>>154023143> I like seeing different iterations of all the characters and taking os Gwen, giving her tits and calling it a day is lazy to me.It’s not lazy to put in the work to make Gwen actually look like Gwen but older. Even Kevin and Ben ultimately are following the stick of OS. Gwen didn’t and that’s exactly why she is so damn weird.This isn’t Omniverse where it would make sense and feel appropriate for a show. It’s a direct sequel to OS and a lot of things in alien force feel that way except for Gwen for some reason. And the bizarre shit is, Omniverse went back and actually make older Gwen look more like original Gwen.You had far better ways to speak and you went by disingenuous bullshit instead and expected me to not be pissed off at you. You should be in the corner, ashamed of yourself for what you did, and you instead went by to justify your behavior. You are scum.
>>154023153What I couldn’t believe is how older Gwen has fans that act like this. Like why? She’s not even a welcoming presence or representating an ideal. It’s just deranged simping.
>>154009702Nope. By the time the porn really kicked off (2008) this show had already aired. Anon if you were not alive back then you gotta stfu
>>154023247>Like why?Its a multibillion 20 year spanning IP anon. Why wouldn't she have fans?
>>154024312That form had no reason to be that hot
>>154024312Whats this picture trying to convay?
>>154023266Its the same with fanfiction. Alien Force boosted the series popularity by a lot.>Pic relatedTwo months or so after Big Fat Alien Wedding. The supposed Bwen episode of the OS. Less than 250 fanfictions.
>>154022659WAY better now
>>154016907>Alien Force is just not a good sequel in generalThe art in this series is terrible compared to the original series. Who on earth thought all the backgrounds had to be completely dark?
>>154017143>She looks good in one picture.>She looks bad in 99% of the series.Bullshit
>>154010544Her old future self looked fine. Someone uppercut Gwen in the jaw at some point and flattened it across all timelines.
>>154024714If you hate UAF Gwen so much why are you in a thread about her? Whats the point of trying to fix a character you hate?
>>154024890I don't hate the character, I hate its design and this is a thread about how to fix the character's design.
>>154024904What if I don't like the design but find people trying to force OS Gwen onto her to be boring and repetitive showing a lack of creativity? Like where the imagination in any of these edits?If you're going to say a design sucks and you're trying to fix it at least ATTEMPT to actually fix it.
havent thought about Ben 10 in a whileis the franchise going anywhereI am too bored to search it myself
>>154025034Nothing so far
>>154025034>Reboot ended a bit ago>Five year blank period. Some Alien Force merch here and there.<We have a comic now Gwen isn't fap bait so /co/ is lukewarm towards it.Thats about it, one of the MoA are working on said comic.
>>154025080I never heard anything about the reboot at allIs it any good?
>>154025091/co/ will tell you no as a whole but I personally went into preparing for Ben 10 GO! after doing a Ben 10 rewatch way back when it was about to end and was pleasantly surprised. Only to find out that MoA (the same behind the OS) were behind the reboot.>Ben and Gwen's relationship is a million times less antagonistic. >Vilgax actually gets him mojo back>The rarely takes itself seriously its very goofy>Show really picks up when Kevin pops up around season 3>Kevin get his own omnitrix and is best boy
>>154025228thanksdoesn't sound half bad
>>154022776>They’ve should’ve brought in a whole new character at that point.Now that would have been a funny retcon instead of the rooters storyline we got in Omniverse. It wouldn't even be that much of a stretch. Kevin has copying powers. They could have made it that Kevin copied Ditto and accidentally cloned himself and the real Kevin got stuck in the null void. Or maybe he was a different osmosian who copied Kevin too long and became convinced he was the real Kevin.Would have explained why Kevin was locked up in the original Ben 10000 episodes.Either way the rooters storyline shows that Kevin's personality shift in alien force was real and poorly thought out. It wasn't just people complaining. It was a completely different Kevin and they had to come up with a retcon to explain the extreme change.
>>154024326Smooth glowly bitches are the best.If you salty OS fags are going to fix Gwen can you at least do something useful show me an anodite or two?
>>154009086All humans age like milk dipshit
>>154023143Ben and Grandpa Max stayed pretty consistent for nearly every series. Why couldn't Gwen?
it's really funny to me that this Gwen is much more popular than Spidey's Gwen
>>154024365Kevin just finished sucking off Gwen's alien dick.
>>154012352>says anon as he gets defensive himself
>>154024696It was to save money. A lot of the design choices AF made were made to make animation easier and cheaper to churn out. That's the actual reason why Ben uses humongousaur so much, he has a simple design and no complicated powers they have to animate. It's also why Gwen and Kevin got made aliens. Generic pink energy blasts are a lot easier to animate than varied and complicated spells plus you don't need to waste time on coming up with a magic system. And Kevin they just reduced that nigga's powers to changing colors.Man of Action poured all the studio's budget into Generator Rex and hoped Ben 10 AF could get by on name recognition alone
>>154025291Puberty.
>>154025433>Ben 10 AF could get by on name recognition aloneIt was the highest rated Ben 10 show by quite a bit anon.
>>154025228>Kevin get his own omnitrixI'm still not a fan of this.I get why they did it, but I don't like it.
>>154025433>hoped Ben 10 AF could get by on name recognition aloneTechnically they were right.
I haven't watched Ben 10 in years but what was the reason for Kevin looking like this and why didn't he wear clothes?
>>154025505Ben and Kevin tried to hack the Omnitrix despite Azmuth's warnings, and after a shockwave/explosion Kevin came out looking like Metamorpho.
>>154025505Vilgax returns and Ben and Kevin try to hack the omnitrix, fucks with Kevin's powers.
>>154020273He would keep a distance at first, but Kevin is a good kisser.
You can't say it or explain it without sounding like a creep, but they 1000% went out of their way to make Gwen less attractive-particularly to lolicons-in all future incarnations. I believe beyond the shadow of a doubt that conversations were had behind closed doors. You can bring up any individual part of it>the jaw>the lips>face elongation >body proportionsetc. and it doesn't speak to the overall difference. Other incarnations of Ben at least look like they all have OG Ben's same shape language morphed or scaled-up. Gwen got a different body. Argue all you want, you know it's true.
>>154025521>>154025532Thanks.
>>154025674I don't want to argue anymore.We all know how everyone feels about it, and no one's changing anyone's opinions on the matter.Wish we could put this argument to rest already.
>>154025674Holy shit.I know who you are anon.
>>154025674This can't be denied. It's absolutely the case. Original Gwen's design hit a stride that propelled her popularity among the online erotic fanart community way beyond the popularity of the show among their target audience, and they very nakedly uglied Gwen up to dissuade that behavior. And all it did was create Gwen fan subgroups who liked the ugg. Which prompted repeated and continuous redesigns of Gwen to try and get away from it but god forbid they just axe her from the show? Gwen is on par with ranger brown in terms of her redesigns, and the changes they make tell the story of their motivations. The people disagreeing are just offended by it being pointed out.
If you guys wonder where all the cool, scary and freaky character and monster designs from tbe og series went in Alien Force the answer is Generator Rex. The animation budget too apparently, it had some of the best fight scenes to come out of MoA in its entire historyThere's a reason why people say the crossover is the best UAF Ben 10 has ever looked https://youtu.be/zjrHLTL85gE?si=q66yyTXDfBJvqipGGirls were a lot cuter too. Imagine a world where the Generator Rex team worked on a Ben 10 sequel instead of McDuffie, Glenn Murkami and their crewMan of Action themselves were a lot more involved in Generator Rex at fhe time than Ben 10 or the secret Saturday's and it shows.
Anyway since this is now an actual UAF Gwen thread favorite Gwen episode? I liked Verdona's first apperance.
>>154025889Its not easy being Gwen. Everyone in this thread who thinks she lacks any OS traits need to go watch that episode.
>154025674>the jaw>the lips>face elongation>body proportionsAnd the color
>>154019534All Gwen's are good, don't let 30 years man children tell you otherwise.
>>154025889Retconning Gwen an alien might honestly the dumbest fucking thing they've ever done on any Ben 10 show. I'm glad Anodites and anything having to do with them should be catapulted from the franchise.Oh Gwen's part alien but not Ben even though they're cousins and have same alien grandmother. Why? They just are ok!Fuck you Dwayne McDuffie and fuck you for thinking any of this shit is good
>>154026022I like anodites, they look pretty.
>>154026087They are cute. Hoping we see Comic Gwen go purple mana super saiyan.
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>>154026021Left is good but jesus the one on the right is horrifying. The fact you gotta search with a fine tooth comb to find shots of teen Gwen where she doesn't look like an angry tranny says a lotIt really is the AF design that ruins Gwen's look and not the art style because look what halpens.when they use her OG design. Cute as a button.Any Gwen design that uses AF Gwen as a base will never not look like an angry tranny
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>>154026130Nope. Man of Action does not like the Anodite thing. When they came back for the Ben 10 reboot they threw out the alien amd established Gwen as a human magic user. As much as people don't like the reboot it's the only show besides the original thwthad the original Man of Action team actively working on it and they're the ones writing the comics.They didn't really like UAF apparently. Straight up made fun of it one episode.
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>>154026248Looks like we'll have to wait and see.
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>>154022726There tends to be two (or more) Ben 10 threads up at any given time: a general thread for Ben 10 content, and a thread for a specific character, usually Gwen. This kinda thing is perfectly normal for 4chan, but bizarrely, folks like you recently popped up on /co/ and got so unfathomably assblasted by the character threads that even when its acting to contain the type of posts you hate and gear them away from the actual Ben 10 threads, you still have meltys. I don't understand why the very existence of those sorta threads personally upsets you.>>154025701>Wish we could put this argument to rest alreadyI mean, that's kinda hard when people who like the design walk into a thread clearly advertising its gonna be dogged on, then get defensive and start arguing in its favor. Don't get me wrong, being the underdog sucks, but it takes two to tango. If you don't wanna engage with what's being said, don't. It's better to share your love of the design without it being in response to someone disliking it. That doesn't stop other people from stirring the pot, of course, but like you said, these types of things go nowhere, so if you start arguing, then you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.>>154025868>wonder where all the cool, scary and freaky character and monster designs from tbe og series wentIt went with Dave Johnson and Tom Perkins, two of the OS character designers. Perkins was commissioned to do a handful of alien designs for the sequel shows, but the character designers of UAF and OV de-monsterfied his designs to be more in-line with their art styles.
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>>154026285So you're gonna cope? It shouldn't come as a surprise that the original creators of a character like their original vision better than later iterations that other people created.Ben uses alien tech, Gwen uses human magic. It was meant to balance each of them out. It also let Gwen have her own storylines that didn't involve Ben or aliens because the magic world was out of their reach. Plus making the kids part aliens is fucking dumb and shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the shows original premise.
>>154025701This >>154026380The op is literally about how bad alien force Gwen's design is and you're upset people are talking about how bad it is. They're all on topic for the thread. It's people defending it that are technically derailing ghe thread.
>>154026505>Ben uses alien tech, Gwen uses human magic.Gwen doesn't use magic in the reboot.
>>154026638Anon I honestly think you should try here >/r/BenxGwenShip/
>>154026638>The op is literally about how bad alien force Gwen's design is and you're upset people are talking about how bad it is.I mean am i not allowed to counter with why I think its good? Do people forget how fast these Gwen threads die unless someone is agitating it? You do realize I love Ben 10 so much that I am willing to post in threads like this to keep the conversation alive right?Seems to be a classic case of, can dish it out but can't take it.
>>154021722Watch the show Gwen in OS was casually throwing massive boulders, and tornadoes by the end. >>154021759OS every species had a special ablity, and Human's power was copying other species powers. So they had nothing if they never encounter an alien. That why Max is so strong, he got additional strength and stuff, when he was a plumber.And the first thing Gwen was in contact enough with to copy was the Luck charm, so Gwen copied access to magic and do to the Luck charm buffing Gwen innate power copy.Reminder the charms/magic where originally also alien tech, on par with the watch.
>>154027035You had me going for a bit GJ.
>>154021411Agree. Magic being alien science is fucking stupid.
>>154027457It never was technically. If you watched the shows you'd know that. Kevin and Gwen's dad off headenedly mention it not being real in like episode 8 of Alien Force, then that plot thread get ignored until Charmcaster return where Gwen uses more magi in one episode of Alien force then all of seaons 3 of the original.
Is it weird that I like 11 year old Gwen the best and 10 year old Gwen the least? OS Gwen is too plain in the face region. I know its ironic but the man chin and freckles help make her less generic.
>>154010327That’s the biggest problem with me she just dosen’t look like Gwen when she was a kid.
There happy?
>154028036>Man [insert body part that both genders have]
>>154016907The first two seasons of Alien Force are the best of the franchise as a whole
>>154026800What the fuck are you talking about? Sincerely.Nothing in my posts mentioned ship faggotry. Do you think I'm someone else? I'm geniunely confused. Or you just some kind d schizoid having a completely different conversation
>>154026923I think you are insane and have objectively bad tastes and extremely thin skin. Your waifu looks look like a man.
>>154028608They make medicine for people with your mental disorders now.
>>154026130>>154026143>>154026159>>154026195>>154026209>>154026248>>154026285>>154026303>>154026374prime concept for a solid action show. Reminds me to the wonder twins from super friends.
>>154028966Ratings say otherwise anon.
>>154028936'm glad hardcore Gwenfags are a dying breed, I look forward to seeing more actual Ben 10 threads that aren't just bitchy OSGwenfag cope.
>>154028936>UpdateSaid the whinny sperg throwing a tantrum in thread about a character hates from a 15 year old show.
>>154028936Nice contribution anon this conversation is so engaging and not at all a waste of your time.
I've been doing this the every Gwen thread for the last 5 years. None of this is organic.
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>>154029465Artificial? Shut up nerd, just post bait Gwens
>>154029139>>154029306>>154029369>>154029447>>154029465>>154029729Kek. Sensitive ass niggas.
>>154029759Ok.
>>154029775Yeah what a bitch.;)
>>154029729I save pics like >>154029759 >>154029817 and spend entire Gwen threads every 15-30 minutes with both sides, I routinely get up to 200+ (you)s depending on speed. Im going to see how many Gwen threads will be made before you guys realize you're all arguing with the same person.
Omniverse Gwen is proof that it's not the art style that made UAF ugly, although it didn't help, but qn intentional design choice that hit her with an ugly stick.Although I appreciate them trying to bridge the gap between OG Gwen and UAF Gwen even if it wasn't completely successful. That man jaw is just awful and hard to make look good.
>>154029817>>154029759This is clearly not a 10 year olds body. The popularity of original Gwen was all in the face design.
>>154029947I don't know what'd be more pathetic. You actually being this autistic or pretending to be this autistic. Either way commit suicide.
>>154030164Her freckles are cute
>>154030185You. Thats whats more pathetic, I do this at work on my free time for shits and giggles. You do it because you're a little cry baby bitch who never out grew a fucking cartoon.
>>154030184If you wanted more flat chested Gwen you could've just asked
>>154030185What's really weird is why they would send shills to 4chan to muddy the waters in threads loke these. What is so offensive about pointing out how they obviously redesigned Gwen after she became an outrageously popular sex symbol? It ambarassed cn that googling ben10 or the character's names brought in 100x as many sexual pics of Gwen as links to their content.This is something they pay attention toThis is something they give gigantic fucks about.It's why erin esurance got axedIdk why grassroots discordttannies are offended by this or why corporate marketers feel the need to disrupt these conversations. As if we've discovered some secret plot that embarasses them.It's a very normal thing and no one's even trying to.make them admit it
>>154030185>I don't know what'd be more pathetic.Oh get off your high horse you edgy faggot. You're on a thread bitching about a near two decade old cartoon.
>>154030262Nah i like Gwen head on a sexy adult body. They fucked up every time they drew her as a grown up by fucking up her face so much.>Confession: I don't like ben10 and didn't watch it. I care about character design and industry activities. So idk what the series was called but the second Gwen with the glasses and the acne was an overt attempt to make her unappealing.
>>154030258>n-no uYou're clearly just schizo afraid of his own boner projecting onto strangers online. Have fun dedicating your life to whatever psychotic nonsense this is.
>>154030313Overnight nurse anon. I aint dedicating shit I got 5 hours of down time every night at work and these threads keep me entertained. Read these post anon do any of them look organic?
>>154030164He's repeating himself look.
>>154030313Yeah keep responding to me kiddo, I am sure that will make all the gwenfags come back to /co/
>>154030268>This is something they pay attention to>This is something they give gigantic fucks about.>>154030313You sure its me? This faggot thinks I'm actually trying to ride of Gwen porn or some shit.
>>154030277And you're here courageously defending a man faced cartoon character from 20 years ago. Where the fuck do you think you are?
>>154030341>>154030373>>154030410>>154030477Actual psychosis. Holy shit.
>>154030268Holy shit you're fucking retarded. Yeah anon cartoon network totally cares about Loligwen porn 20 years later.
>>154030518>And you're here courageously defending a man faced cartoon character from 20 years ago.Anon, I've been playing both sides. >>154030531Not an argument..
>>154008993A woman's chin needs to be sharp.And I mean sharp enough to cut through your collar bone when she kisses you.The pointier the chin, the hotter the woman.
>>154030531I'm in everythread anon, sometimes I'm Gwenfag, sometimes a Bwenfag, Kevinfag, Benrookfag. Most of the time I'll actually just contribute to the conversation until I wanna see some more schizo posting.
>>154030268>>154030531How can you read something like this and not laugh?
>>154030531Seriously I'm never leaving these threads.
>>154030693Now keep posting Gwen
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>>154030268Maybe I'm doing market research anon. See what you guys like in a Gwen design
>>154030164>>154030268Before this thread gets completely derailed and deleted I got a question for this anon in particular. If they were trying to get rid of Gwen porn why the fuck would they make an objectively cute gwen with tididies in OV?
>>154030901Bare feetA cute, freckled, expressive face
>>154031064Feet are awful what abou abs?
>>154031608If it's not overdone.And footwear is needed.
>>154025843>Original Gwen's design hit a stride that propelled her popularity among the online erotic fanart community way beyond the popularity of the show among their target audience, and they very nakedly uglied Gwen up to dissuade that behavior.At first, I thought you were going to say they messed up their character design with poor choices.
>>154028608It has really cool concepts and terrible execution. The first two seasons of the original series are much stronger by comparison, even if they're less ambitious. After that, it's kinda downhill for the whole franchise.
>>154029775It's the eyes. They have the same eyes. And head shape.
