In The Car (The first Gumball episode produced and written), Anais shows no signs as the level-headed child prodigy she's known for being and is instead portrayed as a cutesy, naïve little girl who's also very bratty at times and is innocently confused at the conflict going on in the episode's climax. (Mommy, why the Robinsons talking to the Sheriff on our lawn?) The only evidence of her being smart is that she uses a tape recorder to record Nicole's promise of her taking her daughter to see Daisy on Ice and manipulating her by playing said promise.The next two episodes by production order develops Anais' character more. While she had a minor role in The Party, the two lines she has paints her as being more intelligent than Gumball and The Genius fully establishes Anais' status as a child prodigy.
>>154013844Making her more like Lisa Simpson was a honestly a disappointing decision in hindsight.
>>154013844it'd have been funnier if they kept her as dumb as gumball and darwin instead of going with the done to death le boys dumb le girls smart trope
>Yes, but what man can tame her?
>>154013844The animation for the first six produced episodes are also very snappy and expressive. Makes them stand out a lot.
>>154013863The irony is that Lisa in early Simpsons was the same. Tracy Ullman Simpsons and Season 1 had her be just as bratty as Bart, but less overt and more covert about it. Later she became externally smarter but inwardly vapid compared to Bart who was street smart and adaptable in a way she wasn't.It was when lib writers got ahold of the show and made her a buddhist vegan to bring in Paul Mcartney and whoever that she became an insufferable know-it-all mouthpiece for the writers to talk about how bad conservatives are and how the world is shit or whatever. Same with Homer's mom.
>>154014845anon, not everything is gamergate
>>154014967Shut the fuck up nigger.
Obligatory Billy and Mandy >Mandy went from a mean girl, but still a kid at heart (asked Billy's dad if he could play with her and other stuff) to the spawn of Satan. Is the ultimate evil in Endsville, has the entire town under her control>Billy went from dumb, but still had common sense to a complete retard that shouts all the time. He also lost his innonence and became more chaotic and cruel >Grim went from being intimidating earlier on and scared humans, to being a complete joke that nobody took seriously.>Irwin went from Billy's cautious friend to a black stereotype who says YO all the time>Harold, like Billy had common sense earlier on and was the reasonable parent (taking care of Billy when Gladys had a nervous breakdown) but later was turned into a retard tooAlso the tone earlier on was more gothic horror, then it became more randum grossout gags.
>>154015006To be fair, the show got funnier in the progress.
>>154014318Yeah they took a while to establish Ralph. Even in The Otto Show, which is a late season 3 episode, he has a red shirt on and doesn't cry or even whimper when Skinner yells at him for singing the Bus Driver Man song in heavy traffic.
Here's another example:Adventure Time, Regular Show and Gumball were good in their first seasons but they later became shit
>>154015194Regular Show was the more consistent of the three.
>>154015218I think it's the only show that got significantly better after going to shit, the worst seasons are 5 and 6 because they are dragged down by all those shit CJ episodes despite having good ones
>>154014845totally
>>154015194What seasons do these shows start to go bad?
>>154015194I remember early AT, when episodes were just fun fantasy adventures with Finn having a Betty and Veronica relationship with Marcy and PB and him and Jake went on fun adventures around the kingdomBefore the writers decided to make it a serial serious show. Why do most fun adventure shows have to become like that
>>154015194Speaking of Regular Show. Mordecai and Rigby originally were going to work at a "human zoo"
>>154015194That’s not early installment weirdness you dumdum. That’s just your opinion on the shows. An example would be Finn’s normal eyes in season 1, they got rid of them in season 2 and gave him just the black dot eyes.
>>154013844Double D had a crush on Ed’s sister Sarah in the pilot episode. This was turned the other way around.
>>154015174Lets not forget that this was season 4
Compare how bratty Louise Belcher was in the first few seasons to how she acts now.
>>154013844In The Boondocks pilot Huey has a crush on Jazmine when in the actual series, and comic book he showed no romantic interest in her nor did the other characters try to tease him about it.
>>154013863I always assumed Anais to be something akin to Haley Long where she's intelligent, snarky, and academically gifted compared to her protagonist brother but is still very sweet. childlike, and openly cares for her brother.
>>154015842This is only time he got focus where he's not a complete retard.
>>154013844Lara getting really jealous and angry at Jorel´s Brother for paying attention to Ana Catarina (mc crush) instead of going to recess with her, in one of the first episodes of season 1
It was definitely crazy how Filburt started off as a geeky clerk who Rocko openly hated before Power Trip and Rinse & Spit refined him as the third wheel to the Rocko and Heffer duo.
Family Guy is full of these>First four episodes had a naming convention which they dropped>Peter worked at a toy facory>Lois was a piano teacher>Chris used to wear earrings>Meg had a different VA>Cleveland owned a deli and had a skinny son>People respected Joe and didn't make fun of him for being in a wheelchair
>>154013844She had a room to herself in one S1 episode IIRC before they had her sharing a room with the boys.
>>154018108Chris was also an aspiring artist in the early seasons.
>>154013844Eh, not so true, when Gumball and Darwin babysit her, she scolds them about how to put down a fire. She started as a smartass but she did lost her childlike whimsy though.Last time Anais was childish again was with the episode where she wants to see a scary movie.
>>154018108Family guy is probably the most striking desuAlso meg was just an like a painfully average girl. the town shamed peter for making her cover for him
>>154017267Yeah, the best balance would be that she’s intelligent for her age, but still acts like a child.That seems to be a bit of a problem with many writers, where they have a “smart kid” archetype but one-half always overtakes the other. Sonic is a prime example; in the older cartoons, he’s very much a kid who doesn’t really display any advanced intelligence, and then in Lost World, he’s a smartass who doesn’t even come across like a kid.
>>154015755This was one of the very few "puberty is rough" holdovers from the initial pitch bible, I'd guess. I was surprised when reading it awhile back how the general concept remained but it tamed down mostly to "outcasts get fucked over by everyone", less about puberty and more just being surrounded by actual awful people. The Kankers and a couple appearances by Nazz (like the one where she babysits Eddy) were the only time I felt like that was actually in effect. Everyone else being assholes to them didn't feel like a puberty sucks tone, they felt too young outside of the kanker/nazz stuff for that to begin with.
>>154016265They went from "She's the worst kind of autistic" to multiple comfort episodes for viewers with disabilities whose entire reason for watching is that it's their comfort show.
>>154018728Isn't sonic an adult now?I think with generations they established kid sonic and adult sonic, but now I'm wondering if he just met a slightly younger version of himself
>>154018533Her being a cute bratty girl was in the very first episode written. Every appearance after had her be the smartest one of the family.I assume that first episode was the only one written before they decided for Anais to be a prodigy.
Some of the early Animaniacs episodes had Dr. Scratchansniff and Hello Nurse joining in with Ralph in chasing and catching the Warner Siblings forming a three-against-three foil to them. The most prominent instance was in Piano Rag.
>>154013844The more you watch Gumball, the more apparent it becomes that Gumball himself is the worst character in the show. Darwin has a heart of gold, anias has a brain, nicole is the only reason the family has a roof over their head, and despite richard’s faults he does very much love his family.. but gumball is a selfish loser with no redeeming qualities.
>>154013844Surprised you didn’t mention how her own sibling couldn’t even pronounce her name correctly in some episodes.
>>154018792It was a younger version in Generations, but Forces implies that it’s a separate dimension altogether.Game Sonic’s continuity is a fucking mess.
>>154018937What does Penny even see in him anyway?
>>154018871damn, they look intimidating in that image. Almost like they're posing for a rap album cover
The first season of I Am Weasel had animated title cards where Weasel would say something different each time and react to the writers behind the episodes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay1QhvLdQPUAll seasons after that dropped it and replaced it with a standard title card like pic related.
>>154018937Gumball used to be the optimistic naive kid with a lot of energy. But he just became a character who literally doesn't want to go along with episode stories and his cynicism grinds everything to a hault once it became south park lite.
>>154019171What season did it become more South Park-like?
>>154019354Without looking it up and off the top of my head I wanna say Season 4 but maybe it showed signs during 3. Generally I feel like it kinda changed alongside the big tall eyes to the generic circle ones, taking away that jovial, lighthearted tone, like they didn't want to be that way anymore.
>>154018969Creator’s self insert to force a romantic love interest
>>154019354I’d say it was midway in the fifth season. Season 3 and 4 still had some of that early season whimsy.
>>154013844Going by the very early character descriptions of the show, Anais was always meant to be a child genius. What didn't carry over is that her family wasn't supposed to take her seriously which I don't think is really the case in the show.The real change was Darwin. Originally he was supposed to have a short-term memory and he was also not supposed to be a Watterson (just Gumball's best friend, as he was the class's goldfish that grew legs). For instance, The Dress comes up as a sort of incest joke in the final show, but when they originally wrote the episode Darwin still had those traits.
>>154019466No. When Logan left, the spirit of Gumball died.
>>154019171Yeah Gumball & Darwin had a Spongebob & Patrick dynamic of wacky hijinks with boundless enthusiasm in the earlier seasons, and then as the show went on, this dynamic fizzled out & Gumball went from an enthusiastic if unlucky clutz that gets into socially awkward situations to a completely melodramatic jerk obsessed with shitting on the lives of his peers.
>>154019171>>154019466Gumball was already an asshole as early as Season 2 and I am always confused when people act like it's a change they made in the later seasons. The Promise is the most asshole Gumball is in the entire show.
>>154015194>>154019171>Early Finn and Jake: An adventurous boy who wants to be a hero and his older brother who helps him out>Later Finn and Jake: Depressed teenager and a bum dad>Early Mordecai and Rigby: A hipster slacker and an immature slacker>Late Mordecai and Rigby: Simp who can't go seconds without thinking of Margaret/CJ and mostly the same as his old version>Early Gumball and Darwin: Two naive kids trying to get their way in life>Late Gumball and Darwin: Cynic asshole and his sidekick who's always angry at him
>>154019550I’d probably be fine with most of these if it played into some sort of story line, but they just play it super straight.It’s especially weird with Gumball’s writing feels smugly above falling into cliches yet they fell into the same trap a lot of long-running shows do.
>>154015006>Mandy went from a mean girl, but still a kid at heart (asked Billy's dad if he could play with her and other stuff) to the spawn of Satan. Is the ultimate evil in Endsville, has the entire town under her controlShe still showed hints of the former. Like how she got really insecure when Grim didn't seem convinced people thought she was cute. Or when her parents testified against her at Grim's custody hearing and she looked genuinely hurt.
>>154019518>>154019533>>154019550>>154019680Why do you keep fighting over the zoomer cartoons? Post more examples faggots.
>>154015194AT's fall off is as infamous as Star Wars' at this point. Fuck man they really just raped everything into the dirt. Marvel and DC, Scooby Doo, MOTU.What hasnt been ruined by thos point?
>>154018108Joe's retcon and subsequent flanderization is the worst
>>154013863At the very bottom of the barrel least Anais had a humbled side and was allowed to have negative traits and be on the bad side of slapstick. Lisa is some golden calf.
>>154013863That's the problem I have with most of these shows that depict American families and Simpsons is kinda the blame for it.>The dad's an idiot, and most times fat or pack a beer belly>The mom is the smart sophisticated one, and sometimes a nag>The son usually the rebeller and sometimes an idiot>The daughter is the annoying smartass know-it-all Lisa Simpson typeThe only difference in Gumball is that Nicole is the breadwinner and Richard is the stay at home idiot that does fuck all. Only one show I can think of that's similar to this trope is Johnny Test. Johnny mom works and his dad is the nagging stay at home housewife.
>>154020330I think tawog would make way more sense with Richard as the breadwinner and Nicole as the housewife
>>154018108God and Jesus are semi recurring cutaway gag characters and real (at least as real as Death) but then in later seasons Christians are stupid and God isn't real.They even made an action figure of God.
>>154020330Well if Richard gets a job the world ends.At least they justified that early.
>>154020522>They justified bad writing so it's fineAnd they retconned pretty much everything about the early seasons so, why should that matter?
>>154019851What season did the show got bad?
>>154018792Sonic is """officially""" 16 years old but his age has never ever mattered.
>>154018533>>154018826IIRC that episode also established that she helps them with their homework
Dino from The Flintstones was capable of speaking in his first appearance in an impression of Phil Silvers but every appearance afterward he became more like an excitable dog.
>>154018871I believe this was a leftover idea from the pitch bible where the Warner segments were going to have two story formulas: The Warners pestering someone and The Warners being chased by Ralph, Scratchy, and Nurse. The final product seemed to have stick with only the first formula for most of the Warner segments.In addition, Hello Nurse was going to be an insane young woman who believes she's the studio nurse.
>>154020854They said that in The Responsible but not in The Car, which was written before.
>>154020711at season 3, directed by rebecca sugar, id say it understands well what made the first two work, but it was also the one that introduced the more elaborated romantic plots, and when the lore started to be taken seriouslyseason 4 the rot was taking over fast
>>154013844The Venture Bros Season 1 has that 60s Jonny Quest animation style but in digital which funny enough in the early seasons was basically a parody of Jonny Quest, but then soon drop that concept and be it's own original show.
>>154014967> Deflecting with buzzwords
Johnny Bravo>Johnny wasn’t a retarded manchild>animation style was different>humor was more Family Guy-esque>the place he lived in actually had a name (Aaron City)>Suzy was a cute little girl with a crush on Johnny>Momma Bravo wasn’t as wacky or overprotective>no Carl>no Pops>talking animals everywhere
>>154021438Johnny Bravo doesn't work in this thread. The first and FOUR seasons were like that because that was the actual vision of the creator. Manchild Johnny, Carl and Pops came from completely different writers and they were better than anything done in S1 and S4
>>154021078Season 4 was okay. The show got fucked once Muto took over.
>>154018871Honestly, Animaniacs didn’t make much good use of its cast, especially during the Kids WB seasons.Spent more time on pop-culture references, sexual innuendos, fourth-wall gags, and political jokes than fleshing out character personalities and dynamics.
>>154019680>It’s especially weird with Gumball’s writing feels smugly above falling into cliches yet they fell into the same trapThe show is one giant ball of irony that they very much know this. The Test episode is the writers admitting this as such.
>>154017846Didn't they also change the order of the first episodes because they thought it wouldn't connect with audiences or something?
>>154020610>I don't like it so it's bad writing
Howard and Betty had radically different designs in the Rugrats pilot to the point where they don't even look or feel like the same characters.
>Stan was more outspokenly conservative>Stan also had rivalries with other men like Duper and that guy at his church>Roger started out as depressed because he couldn't leave the house until he started out with personas despite already having a history of this activity before he met the Smiths>Roger was also disgusted by the racism of an old lady he met only to be guilty not only of racism but other horrific acts of violence and perversion in later seasons>Klaus lusted after Francine>Brian Lewis came across as a normal principal
>>154021821He's talking about things like Nicole's marriage and her dad being dead in season 1 being retconned.With the first being inconsequential that it is inconsistent with itself on two occasions in season 1, and the other is just a throw away line.
>>154021821Retard
>>154022016Nta but didn't they completely change Nicole's backstory because of a single episode and then they soft-retconned/ignored that episode in later seasons?
>>154022173Yes.But since the show basically has retcons baked into its lore, they technically can get away doing that even if one might believe it enables laziness or insincerity.
Arthur actually looking like an aardvark in his earliest books
>>154021305genuine tragedy. first two seasons are the best of the show because they focus on comedy and not just it's own overbloated but shallow "lore". monarch after season 2 is a completely different character>originally a very autistic and dangerous guy but still very sweet to his subordinates and wife, and even acting a surrogate dad to Hank in one episode>a completely childish psychopath without any redeeming qualities who treats literally everyone like shit
>>154015755>Double D had a crush on Ed’s sister Sarah in the pilot episode. This was turned the other way around.mind you it never completely went away
>>154019171>Gumball used to be the optimistic naive kid with a lot of energy. But he just became a character who literally doesn't want to go along with episode stories and his cynicism grinds everything to a hault once it became south park lite.they kind of had to do that, Gumball's original characterization did not work at all with the show's preferred style of humor of treating him as the universe's punching bag, hence why they overhauled him to be more of an asshole from Season 2 onward, if he's a jerk than it becomes funny when the world dumps on him
>>154020461Actually God and Jesus continue to make appearances in the show as characters. Even having episodes dedicated to them. It's just that Brian is such a liberal douche he continues to be an atheist in spite of the evidence in front of him. Stewie even calls him out for it>Jesus lived with us for like a week, what more proof do you need?
>>154018967They don't explain it, but the events of Mania seem to happen as a consequence of. Generations, so while that Sonic was originally past Sonic, having interact with hia future self created an alternate timeline, so now he's from an alt universe.
>>154021840Even more crazy is the fact that Chuckie's mom is shown alive in Season 1 with a completely different appearance.
Anais and Nicole are...
>>154018108Can't forget how Peter wasn't malicious towards his family and actually cared about them in the early seasons. Because Early Peter and Modern Peter are vastly different characters
>>154021877Klaus is more (American) conservative than Stan now instead of being a Nazi (that always bugged me, shouldn't he have been communist?)
>>154024033what? finish your thought anon
>>154020897I wonder if this first appearance was an inspiration for Brian.
>>154014845Yeah, a real shame honestly.
>>154022738Thats a good point
>>154022738Exactly. Don't get me wrong I do love the later seasons, but I truly missed the old seasons premise on what is originally supposed to be a parody..
>>154014967who the fuck is anita
>>154017846>rocko hires filbert for a position he usually gets on every episode>bond and become friends afterwardsvery clever writing.
>>154018792classic sonic may as well be baby mario at this point.
>>154028381Also I missed Brock over the top and creative way to kill his enemies.
>>154021840that betty is pure sexo
During the first season of KND, what would eventually be Sector V is clearly presented as THE Kids Next Door, there were also no recurring villains other than the DCFDTLAlso, the pilot has no acronyms at all and Five wears glasses while reading
>>154018108>>154020461On that note, Brian in early Family Guy was portrayed as the most religious member of the family and could regularly be seen reading the Bible in the background and even quoted scripture a couple of times. In fact during the episode where Peter started a cult it was Brian that beat him over the head with a Bible while saying "GOD. IS. PISSED."
>>154018108The original three seasons were fantastic cause they had the most personality and wit.
>>154013844The mom was also supposed to be a lesbian, this idea was later scrapped.
>>154029486Source?
>>154015194AT was always shit. Plus that theme song SUCKED!!!!>>154019851What did they doo to Scooby? Last I saw some busty babe was cast as Daphne
>>154029760>AT was always shit.>Plus that theme song SUCKED!!!!Nope, faggot
>>154029718It's bullshit. Nicole wasn't even supposed to exist as a real character. She was supposed to be a faceless ausent mother that worked 24/7 and was never home. Like Double D's parents.
>>154015194You keep saying thatBut the best parts of Adventure Time are Season 3 - 61 and 2 are too barebones for my taste and 7 - 10 are just whatever.
>>154029788Filtered
>>154029788Is this bait?
>>154029718Some tvtropers
>>154026008I think that anon might might have pirate tourettes and it caught him in the middle of his sentence.
>>154015755This was for the best. A middle schooler crushing on a grade schooler was pathetic even by Double D standards.
>>154030968Stfu
The first 5 issues of I Hate Fairyland do not have a "The story so far..." recap, as author Skottie Young admits that he only had the first 5 issue arc in mind when he started writing the series.
>>154023077Her head is ridiculous
>>154029770No he’s right. I heard my roommates TV play it the other day and was thinking to myself “That theme song actually sucks. I don’t think they could’ve made a better one because of the people behind the show.”
>>154021877Roger seasonal arcs were original supposed be:First season using personasSecond season he would be exposed as an alien and be treated like a celebrity.Third season people would get bored of him and he would do anything to get the spotlight back on him.
>>154013844Season 1 of SpongeBob had some episodes that were meant to be vaguely educational or teach a lesson of some kind>how to tie your shoes>don’t be scared of the doctor because he’s there to help you>don’t make a laughingstock of yourself for attentionThey never did anything like that afterwards, or if they have a lesson it’s deliberately complete nonsense to be funny
>>154035606>>how to tie your shoesThat's a season 2 episode.
I feel like some people exaggerate "Early Installment Weirdness."For example, Patrick in season 1 of Spongebob is described as being smarter than other seasons but that's only in "Tea at the Treedome" and even then he doesn't really give Spongebob good advice. He's a complete retard for the rest of the season as well.
>>154014845Tbh I think Lisa was more of a mouthpiece around the same time she was also more of a brat. The Lisa you and YouTube comment section kiddos despise so much is basically a parody of Lisa from the Malibu Stacy seismic episode who the writers mainly just shit on or have the moral of the episode be some kind of compromise. Even when she's honestly in the right they'll make the problem her ego or methods.
>>154018871Why aren’t there more episodes with them together?
>>154015194Gumball absolutely, but Adventure Time and especially Regular Show were still good for a bit longer after their first seasons
