I know this is a weird question, but I want to know. Why is it generally more acceptable for "good" characters to murder but not rape? They're both considered among the worst things a person can do ever, rightfully so. Why not have a "good" character rape bad characters with the intent of making them suffer for their bad actions? If they can be murdered (with the reason being they're a piece of shit or whatever), what's stopping them from giving zero fucks about the bad characters' autonomy and trying to mentally destroy them so they never hurt another innocent being again?
>>154016005This thread is fucking stupid.
>>154016062Care to explain how? It's something that doesn't make sense to me. Murder has been so fucking downplayed as a result of how frequently it's seen in media compared to rape, which has retained its horrific nature. In the words of Asmongold, it's all or none.
>>154016005Rape makes women angry and causes PR problems /thread
>>154016005Didn't this character forcefully kissed jean at least once
>>154016005>Murder vs rapeIn a death battle?Rape would win.
>>154016005Murder can be justified. There's never a good or reasonable excuse to rape someone. Also, when someone is murdered that's it. They're dead. No more harm can be done to them. When someone is raped, they have to live with that for the rest of their lives and for many people that can be a fate worse than death.
>>154016005Good characters don't murder. They might kill, but not murder.
if heroes can torture their enemies, they can rape themi want to see rape with the purpose of impregnation
If you kill someone you stop their evil actions.If you rape someone it isn't necessarily going to put an end to their evil deeds, even if they are The Joker.Consequently we can deduce that rape isn't an effective means of crime fighting.
>>154016005Gordon...knock it off. Batman is not going to do it.
>>154016594>There's never a good or reasonable excuse to rape someone.Even if you want to cum?
>>154016005Anon. Rapists are hated in prisons. Even Japan knows rape is bad and the "heroes" that rape are relegated to porn or edgy revenge fantasies. But if you want a bad guy getting raped then there's a League of Extraordinary Gentlemen scene that's exactly what you want.
>>154016650>Consequently we can deduce that rape isn't an effective means of crime fighting.Joker 2.
simple, rape scares women and goddess worship never truly went away with the emergence of Abrahamic religions and atheism it simply took on a new form. its why a lot of edge lord creators will show characters being totured, killed and more but never show a woman possibly being r-worded>>154016594if rape is worse than murder than rape villains and villainousness a worse punishment than death and if rape is debilitating as you guys claim most of them wont be able to function as villains competently anymore.poison ivy tries poison and orphanage and wipe out a city block. raped once no more villaininglex luthor embezzles funds out of metropolis raped once. no more villainy
>>154016771Plus there's the threat of being raped again which is a deterrent.
>>154016005Because reproduction is badEnding lives and violence good.Besides all earnest talk about sexuality will strip the powers that be, sex sellers and groomers of their power and avikoty to control something powerful.There is no earnest talk of sexuality. Dont let the queers and porn shills fool you.
because abuse and indulging in needless suffering is distasteful for normal peopleyou can only get away with it if you are going for demented nihilism, which can be refreshing but is easy to go overboard with in artOP is obviously avving a larf but he accidentally reveals a demented aspect of mania-types (comic book nerds).
>>154016925Anon. Wolverine.
>>154016958Gonna
>>154016865Yeah because rape was totally normal and well loved before the big scary woke moved in, right? Fucking stupid.
Villains should be rapist, people have gotten too comfortable with murder. Sabretooth can kill a thousand people and no one cares, he rapes silver fox and people want him banned and never used again.
>>154016771>goddess worshipit's just men desperately wanting to have sexbeta males specifically
>>154017141i get some villains not being rapists ones meant for more child friendly heroes like the flash or heroes with borderline a-sexual tendencies like mr-freeze or meant to be like super incontrol of themselves like ozymandius. but i never get hyper feral, antisocial, impulsive villains carrying for consent like saber tooth, the joker, caarnage, bluh bluh
>>154016301Lies and slander. Women love rape, because if they are raped it doesn't count as cheating.
>>154017275we need a rapist that keeps a love interest or a superheroine the hero knows as a sex slave and that becomes their character as they are gradually broken by the experience
>>154016005anti-rape is just a westoid thing. Japs allow their heroes to rape. Rapeman and Hanzo the Razor for example.
If you aura farm enough people tend to not care about rape
>>154017141villains do bad things. Dr. Light was also a raper.
>>154016098Why aren't you out raping bad people then? Hm? Almost like you know this question is full of crap
>>154017361he almost got raped by bikers for raping their idol
>>154017383funny enough the Tekken crowd didnt know they were getting Rapist DLC.
>>154017429I really should go out raping more.
>>154017429>Why aren't you out raping bad people then?I'm not killing them either. But if I was, how would rape have been worse?
>>154016098>Asmongold told anon to go rape
>>154016005She-Hulk is a serial ponzi rapist.
>>154016683>Even Japan knows rape is bad and the "heroes" that rape are relegated to porn or edgy revenge fantasies.Lmao, anon, I got bad news for you.
>>154017548You are autistic and retarded
>>154017548female empowerment = being slut
>>154017548They left this in show and the show's writers sided with her.
>>154017659You have to be to read comics.
>>154017635prove that he is wrong, fag
>>154017675yesi wish everyone would stop putting pussy on a pedastel
>>154017806I did, the image I posted is from a manga where the MC rapes his enemies after he beats them, and it's not a revenge story, and most of it is played for comedy.Here's one where the FeMC literally gets possessed by a dude with a genderbending sword that uses her body to beat and rape his enemies in a giant tournament full of insane weirdos, many of whom are also rapists.Japs definitely aren't averse to making their MCs flat out rape people, even if played for laughs or as an act of dominance/humbling someone with a huge ego.
>>154017963...No wonder they arent reproducing.
>>154018020Bro, every first world country on the planet is below replacement rate, even the ones where 30% of the population is MENA and Africans.
>>154016594murder is unjustifiable by definition, i think you mean homicide
>>154017635>>154017963I know weebs can be really stupid sometimes but you know porn if something existing doesn't mean that entire culture or even a noticable percentage of its population supports or finds it non-vile, right? Like...you can grasp that much surely.
>>154018032Some are hit worse then others. I blame the Vaxxx and em radiation.
>>154018116I don't think the average Jap really cares about the morals of drawings.
>>154018187So you don't understand, got it.
>>154016683meh that's exaggerated by Hollywood.
>>154017963RosenGarten?
>>154018424>Hollywoodu mean rapists and pedophiles are dictating morals in movies? say it aint so
>>154018134its literally just women having money for the first time in human history.
>>154018451Yes.
>>154017429Because I'm not a vigilante and I have no intention of being one.
>>154018520Anon. Everyone is fucking broke.The propoganda shilled to women SPECIFICALLY to lower populations is lyimg to you. They are all in crippling lifelong debt and 35+ year old spinsters are going to die childless ans alone.
>>154016005People think it's worse because the victim has to live with it.While people think rape is less worse then murder because atleast the victim is alive.
>>154017635Isn't this that manga where the MC has to fight abusive women that are trying to rape him if he loses? And this is after they talk shit and almost kill him? That's pretty much revenge because of what he's put through before he rapes them. That's what revenge manga likes to do. Make the person as irredeemable as possible and give the MC enough of an incentive to rape them to give a sense of catharsis for doing so.
>>154019455>Isn't this that manga where the MC has to fight abusive women that are trying to rape him if he loses?It's a fighting tournament, the whole point is to pit people against each other and have them fight, then the winner rapes the loser. That's like saying the tournament arc in DBZ is a revenge arc.
>>154016005>They're both considered among the worst things a person can doOnly governments have a problem with killing in self-defense.People don't. I mean, the person who did it might because they didn't want to have to kill anyone during their lifetime and it takes a toll on their spirit, but no sane human's gonna say 'you monster, you should've let Cletus skin you alive instead of killing him!'
>>154019574What if you rape in self-defense?
>>154019514>That's like saying the tournament arc in DBZ is a revenge arc.I mean, a lot of the final fights have an element of revenge in them.
>>154019633But you wouldn't say it's a revenge story, again, that would be like saying every story that involves a tournament is a revenge story.It's a retarded point to try and make.
>>154019673I don't know if you're being stubborn or autistic. The manga you're talking about gives the MC incentives to rape the women by making them horrible people trying to kill and rape him. They go from being smug, violent, and powerful women into being his fucktoy. And that's after they abuse him in various ways, before and during the fight. That's why the rape as a payoff works. It's intentional.
>>154019737>The manga you're talking about gives the MC incentives to rape the women by making them horrible people trying to kill and rape him.It's a fighting tournament, literally everyone he is going to fight is going to be trying to kill him.And he also fights multiple dudes, who then get genderbent after losing and get fucked.The one on the left in >>154017635 is male.You're the one being autistic, you're literally trying to pretend that a story about fighting having characters who are in conflict with each other and aren't nice people is a revenge story.You might as well say that Baki is a revenge story since almost every character Baki fights starts out as a giant, combative asshole who eventually turns out to have a backstory that makes them more endearing or helps the reader understand their perspective more.
>>154016005>why is torturing someone viewed as a worse act than simply killing them?
>>154016594Rape isn't an excuse. It's a Reason.
>>154016005Murder is bad, but not always evil.Rape created feminism and the LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ. It also ruined lives in other ways. It's an act of extreme evil, no way around that.
>>154020703What if you had to rape a bomb to disarm it?
>>154016005simple because it victimizes the villain and villainize the hero, without saying the obvious that one creates more pain than the other. It's arguments are really similar to "why heroes dont kill villains" they're meant to be better than us, people we can look up to, learn and be inspired by them.
>>154016005Unlike murder, I have never seen a reason that someone NEEDED to be raped for the good of the world, nor can I even think of one.
>>154020717It's a bomb nigga, it can't consent.
>>154020966So if it can't consent then it's rape.
>>154018187You're moving the goalposts. This whole reply chain started with the "anti-rape" anon claiming that Japan's most beloved and famous heroes don't rape their enemies to the point where the country stands in complete opposite of the West's "killing good, rape bad" philosophy, ergo, Japan isn't a based and redpilled anime land that sees anti-rape sentiment as "woke". You provide two examples of some obscure shit in an ocean of media which still doesn't debunk the initial statement and when that anon tells you that, you have the audacity to tell him he's the one who can't tell fiction from reality?I can play that game too. The Boys has Butcher teaching his dog to rape people. Family Guy also has had Quagmire commit sexual assault for laughs. I guess the West isn't woke then and has no hang-ups about sex, huh?
>>154019514>then the winner rapes the loser.In that case, there is consent because they have sex either way. It's not rape.
>>154020973no, like its an inanimated object it cant even consent
>>154021016If it can't consent then it's rape.
>>154020994>You provide two examples of some obscure shitAnon, someone literally posted Yujiro from Baki, and that's one of the best-selling manga of all time.
>>154020476And everything just seems so reasonable right now...
>>154021057Everything happens for a reason.
>>154020703>Rape created feminism and the LGBTQRSTUVWXYZNO.
>>154020953What if there was a character who was a serial gigarape machine, and the only way to get him to stop, the Achilles heel, was to rape him?
>>154021132lol. the absolute state of humanity on display in this thread.
>>154017347>we need a rapist that keeps a love interest or a superheroine the hero knows as a sex slave>and that becomes their character as they are gradually broken by the experienceLiterally why no one uses the trope. As soon as you want to include it ina serious way it attracts the fetishists. Goblin Slayer has this issue, nothing wrong withwanting your villian to rape as proof of their evil...but that whole fandom is just gooners...
>>154016005>what's stopping them from giving zero fucks about the bad characters' autonomy and trying to mentally destroy them so they never hurt another innocent being again?If you take the standard evil person, specifically the type that are stupid, have low impulse control, see everyone around them as toys to take all their pent up resentment on in order to feel powerful, are entitled, are complete failures with nothing left to lose in life, and are completely unrepentant in their ways, traumatizing and humiliating them in of the worst ways possible will just make them worse whereas killing them spares their potential future victims. You think bad people will change once they get a taste of their own medicine? Lots of bad things have happened to bad people before they turned out the way they did. They just lacked the character and introspection to change for the better and to rise up above their bad circumstances.And rape itself is not only traumatic for the victim but if you're even remotely decent and have a functioning brain, the act of raping someone is animalistic, degrading, and really gross (and not "gross" in the way that woke types use but instinctively stomach-churning). A "hero" who is a psychopath and takes pleasure in killing is at least channeling is evil tendencies into something that benefits the world and doesn't taint him to the extent that rape does in addition to not having to be partly responsible for more people being killed because he deliberately chose to let a violent and evil person go free after being raped.
>>154021242>Literally why no one uses the trope.Except when they do.
>>154016682just rub yourself to some tentacle hentai
>>154021272good ol Berserk.
>>154017635fictional sex fantasies don't translate to real-life desires
>>154021280We'll have to compromise and make it tentacle hentai rape.
>>154021290I never said they did, only that it is indeed possible to have "heroes" that rape in a story.Hell, I'm quite certain there are quite a few ancient myths and stories where heroes who go out and fight evil will also just straight up rape women that they think are hot, at least by our modern definition of rape.
>>154021242You see this with women in abusive relatioships all the time.That one fucking webcomic lunatic woman who named a guy awkwardly trying to flirt with her but kept a man who literally raped her secret because she liked him
>>154016005
>>154021448Cu Chulain literally raped the mother of his child.Siegried pretended to be his best friend and banged his wife. Theseus kidnapped Helen, his wife.Ajax raped Cassandra in a templeHercules was a fucking rapist too.
>>154016594Not even in self defence?
>>154021506yeshttps://www.rferl.org/a/the_curious_incident_of_the_sex_slave_in_the_hair_salon/24269330.html
>>154021505>>154021448Yea, everyone who insists that you can't have a heroic rapist is just revealing that they know nothing about their own culture, pretty much every culture on earth has some kind of famous story about a heroic rapist warrior.
>>154021524It happens all the time in war and occupation.The most recent example is horizontal collaboration.You just don't hear about it because direct wars between western nations ceased almost a century ago and the military tries its best to keep the rape cases hush hush. For fuck's sake, the American base in Okinawa is infamous for the amount of times some jarhead bangs a teenage caramel island Jap.
but could murder beat rape in a fight?
>>154021505ZEUS is the absolute most gigarapist of them all.
>>154021562he's a godthey're allowed to be perverted and wanton whores
>>154021577Gods also set the the example. a lot of the Greek heroes were the result of his cooming adventures.
>>154016005Killing is cleaning, rape is another form of sadism, and therefore a low test/weak genetics/mental handicap trait
>>154021634nah. bustin nuts is the strongest instinct there is. the opposite of low test.
>>154021524>Uther destroys an alliance for the chance to rape, Merlin uses Arthur to unify and bring peace to the land
>>154021218You didn't answer the question. Imagine a gigarape machine of a man, and he does it because he's controlled by computers. The off switch is a few inches deep in his rectum, which you'd have to force your way into to deactivate (ie. rape). Would rape not be a force of good here?
>>154016062this. yes the ethical delineation between the two is arbitrary by our modern society, but to go against it would come off as bizarre and like youre condoning rape. there really is no point.one can also kill ethically where there isnt ever an argument for rape. its just a person or character giving in to acting like an animal with base impulses
>>154016005you're weird
Rape feels good.
>>154019574I don't think I fully agree with this. In certain extreme cases, maybe, but I do think it is reasonable to assume that there are many incidents where it is possible to act in self defence without necessarily taking one's life. Perhaps damaging one's legs so they're unable to run/walk?
>>154025950>Perhaps damaging one's legs so they're unable to run/walk?Good idea. They're easier to rape that way.
>>154016571>In a death battle?>Rape would win.What about a rap battle?
>>154026028Murder.
>>154016005>Why not have a "good" character rape bad characters with the intent of making them suffer for their bad actions?I agree with you, maybe a male character who rapes female pedos or criminals.
>>154021290>fictional sex fantasies don't translate to real-life desiresThis, just because some people fuck children in their mind doesn't mean their going to fuck children irl.
>>154016594>Murder can be justified.Fuck off. This was always a retarded normalfag morality rule that I always hated. Murder is murder, retard. You're not murdering someone who wants to murder you. You are defending yourself from that. Murder is the unlawful killing of a person(s).
>>154016594Weird because if a gun is put to your head you will always choose for them to rape you over pulling the trigger.
>>154027432they made you...suck?
>>154027261This is more or less what I'm talking about, yeah. But it is not intended to be done with the intent to obtain pleasure. I'd personally want the character to do it with the intention of traumatising the bitch for what she did, letting her experience the pain she caused innocent people.
>>154027383>Fuck off. This was always a retarded normalfag morality rule that I always hated. Murder is murder, retard. You're not murdering someone who wants to murder you. You are defending yourself from that. Murder is the unlawful killing of a person(s).What if someone try to rape you but you rape them instead in self-defense?
>>154017963porn doesn't count.
>>154021049Yujiro is a villain
>>154027432I'd rather be shot than suck a man's cock.
>>154021049Baki is a comedy.
>>154030099What if he's cute?
>>154030114Then It'd be okay.
>>154028643That's just a good time
>>154021132i'd kill the author for writing this stupid shit
>>154019003What are you talking about? They don't have to get married at 18-20 anymore is the foundational argument. "Crippling debt" as definition in the developed world is a relative term that's laughable in comparison to actual third world poverty. The facts are in everyone's face in every country that the result is they're more choosey than men, they'll sit around until they're hags trying to get a good looking white dude. They don't care about having children either, that was lie. Every 10% increase in women's income measurably reduces their desire to become mothers.
>>154030033Yujiro is an anti-hero.He only rapes the strong and proud except his wife, but that doesn't count.
>>154021243Slow down there, ChatGPT.
>>154021448Ancient Greeks didn't even consider women human, they were treated similar to sharia law. Their morals were pretty far removed from our modern ones.
>>154016005How would rape stop bad guys?
>>154030738You try robbing a bank when you can't even sit in the gettaway car.
historically rape was really considered a property crime ie. you were taking another man's stuff (ie. his women) and using them without his permission
>>154016005Because murder can be seen as a solution to a problem, rape as a solution seems less likely to fix a issue.>kill the villain>now he cant do evil anymorevs.>rape the villain>now the villain can still do evil and youre a faggot OP
Rape should be applied as a multiplier.Rape the villain once.They commit more crimes, rape twice as hard.It keeps happening, 3 times as hard and so on.Then stop when the rape cripples them for life.See, you give them plenty of chances to repent until they are forced to stop due to their bodies not being able to take the abuse anymore.
>>154030790Reductionist view, in the medieval period for instance women could accuse and take men to trial over it on their own without it being a crime against their husbands or male family members, even peasant women.
>>154030380You people continue to say the same thing over and over and over again. But reality itself has shown you to be full of shit.Men are not trying anymore. It's been going on for a while now and women only just now realized that screaming incel and and shaming men wasn't working anymore and men have even stopped interracting socially for fear of being labeled creep by clout chasers, women looking for a payday, and women driven insane by social media.Your rhetoric is so tired, so cliche, so predictable that it's obvious to everyone that you're reading it from a script and randomly pop up in any social media on the web to spout these same basic talking points.
supers get raped all the time though
>>154016005>Why not have a "good" character rape bad characters with the intent of making them suffer for their bad actions?This is largely already a thing, but it can only exist in content intended for adults only, not in things that actual children read you kumquat. You can also do this in certain video games through modding if you want to.
>>154031200>Men are not trying anymorewhy, address the issue then if you think I'm wrong.
>>154031392>through moddingI have so many khajiit and argonian bandit sex slaves...
>>154031187the problem was proving it was in fact rape and the woman wasn't lying about consensual sex she regretted afterward. courts would usually have some kind of standard like does the woman have physical injuries? was she choked, scratched, beaten, etc. if not then she was dismissed as a faker.
>>154031528how is requiring evidence at a trail a problem?
