When are Peter and MJ going to settle down, get married, and have children? Isn't it a bit tiresome writing the same stories for 60 years? Where is the character development?
Word of advice regarding DC/Marvel comics, you find a run that you really like, and say the story ended there. Then dip in and out on occasion if something is interesting
>>154020980Marvel spent decades trying to get rid of the marriage. They gave up trying to do something smart and just had Peter make a deal with the devil. When Spencer was about to undo OMD, the editors screwed him over and shoved him out the back door. Marvel would sooner sacrifice their firstborn children than let Peter and MJ get married again.
>>154020980>When are Peter and MJ going to settle down, get married, and have children? Like 28 years ago
>>154021018>They gave up trying to do something smart and just had Peter make a deal with the devil.that sounds retarded
>>154021018It’s honestly crazy how essentially a third of Spider-Man’s history is now having his soul and marriage being owned by the devil.
OMD/BND is what made me stop reading comics for good. So good job, Marvel, I guess.
>>154021311Perlmutter was behind it?
>>154021374Nope it's Quesada and Brevoort you nimrod.
>>154020980Never, Peter & MJ are ground zero for the deracination of White culture.
>meanwhile MJ in video games with the recent two games being Cosmic Invasion and Tokon
>>154021018At this point the post OMD status has lasted longer than the marriage. It's time to move on.
What's the point of not letting Peter grow up and have a family when they have Miles to fill in the teen Spider-Man slot?
>>154021979Cosmic Invasion sucked they ruined it with all that 2010's shit.
>>154020980there can't be real character developpment in a medium meant to go on forever
>>154021979not my MJ
>>154022238>It's time to move on.Kind of hard to do that when Marvel doesn't know what to do with MJ. She's too popular to just get rid of.
>>154021979they don't want to actually let them be together but they know it sells.
>>154022324the closest thing to comics would be soap operas and they have people dying, getting married, having kids, etc all the timethe difference of course being that those changes are somewhat spurred by IRL stuff (actors age, get pregnant IRL, leave the show, etc) and so developing existing and new characters is required, whereas comics take the lazy route and don't develop much if at all
Did you know that Spidey and MJ stayed together through the comic strip. They even pulled a Dallas with the OMD stuff.
has peter dated other women since OMD? has mj dated other guys? any other repercussions (like their aborted kid)?
>>154022404>has peter dated other women since OMD?yeah a bunch
>>154020980Stop being stupid anon.
>>154022416All secular jews strive to have a christian funerals for themselves.
>>154022554someone needs to edit that to say Shocker. He was the real tragedy in all of this.
>>154022238Not yet, but it's close.
>>154022325
>>154020980Never because he's going to marry and have children with Michele Gonzales instead :Folded hands emoji:
>>154020980They did, and it didn't work, so Marvel undid it.And Spider-Man has been rebooted so many times that today's Peter Parker is absolutely not the same character from 60 years ago.
The problem with Spider-Man isn't that he's an eternal character, it's that he pretends not to be.
>>154020980STATUS QUO POLICE! YOU'RE UNDER ARREST FOR WANTING TO CHANGE THE STATUS QUO! THE PATTERN MUST REPEAT! THE PATTERN MUST REPEAT!
>>154023087>and it didn't workIt worked for 2 decades in the 616 comics, as well as multiple alternate universe stories.
The reason reason why DC and Marvel have a multiverse is by accident. They have hundreds of writers working for the same company working with the same characters for over 100 years. That's why there are so many characters and so many storylines. They made separate universes so the audiences wouldn't get confused. That way they can reboot the comics as much as they like and have people be able to follow along with the story.
>>154022554Wasn't the guy an asshole who got his reality destroyed because he destroyed the planet?
>>154021028This wasn't main canon, I don't know why some people act like it was
>>154023207>That way they can reboot the comics as much as they like and have people be able to follow along with the story.The constant reboots ironically make DC even more convoluted.
>>154023207This doesn't apply to Marvel
>>154020980Most people simply pretend everything after omd is shitty fanfiction.And since its so ass and no old fans want anything to do with it nor or they bringing in new fans...welllIts basucally screaming into a void now.
>>154023272That's because they never commit to the reboot and always make it just a continuation of canon but some cosmic shenanigans reset everything except for some things.
>>154020980Who cares? Peter got flanderized to death into a manchild and MJ is now a superhero.They are not the characters your love.
>>154021979>>154021028I noticed that they don't include Mayday in any of the games tho, like they include spider-gwen or even silk but not spider-girl. It's honestly weird cause they already went over all the popular ones but they choose to include even some weirder shit rather mayday
>>154024340I played Marvel Avengers Alliance before it got delisted. That turn based game featured Mayday Parker. You can look up its fan restoration project called Marvel Avengers Alliance Redux if you want to play the game now.
If you want Spider-Man to end, just stop reading Spider-Man comics.
>>154022238Most have. Are you not aware of how shit Spider-Man and comics in general sale?
>>154024729I still haven't seen the proof of Conway prostesting Maria Castle's revival when he was alive.
>>154024729who are those fans he's talking about? Brevoort? Honestly I can't take this text seriously cause Conway spoke the opposite too
>>154020980Only when the editorial will be purged and replaced with people who care.
>>154024729I like Conway... but he's dead wrong. The defining attribute of Peter Parker was that he aged and status quo DID change. Superman, Batman, Captain Marvel, The Shadow, etc. were perpetually the same age since the 1930's by the time Peter Parker showed up. Ditko and Lee deliberately showed the passage of time with their hero. Parker graduated High School in issue #28 for fucks sake! That was published in 1965! That means, at minimum, he was 18 before the vast majority of comic readers today were born. Time moves slower in Marvel, and Peter dropped out of college at least once but he graduated in issue #185 (1978), so again fans saw Parker age and grow as a character. While disco was still rocking the charts Marvel gave us 22 year old Peter. This is not a character defined as a teenager. He hasn't been a teenager since the early 1970's. FUN FACT: Gerry Conway took over writing duties for Amazing Spider-Man in 1972 and Mr Conway's age at the time... 19.Gerry authored Parker's transition from teenager to young man at precisely the same time that Gerry was aging from teenager to young man. Then he has the audacity to condemn later writers for doing the same thing? Worse, he betrays his own contributions to the title by classifying Peter as a perpetual teenager.This is the crux of the issue. It's not what's organic for the character. It's not what the fans want. It's petulant man-children creatives demanding Spider-Man be only what they say. Quesada was going through a bitter divorce, so Peter had to lose his marriage too. Peter was change until the fanboys became authors and suddenly Peter was only the character thise writers discovered when they were 15 and just starting to read comics.
>>154025558I suspect he just got bribed and said that shit so Marvel could get him to say it but he just needed money. I dunno.
>>154023192They were fighting or separated or removed of the main title for at least one third of those two decades.The marriage may have been popular with some part of the public but it was never popular between writers and editors.
>>154025934It worked just fine, all the fighting and struggle, was good drama. The problem remains the writers and editorial who were unable to accept the marriage and that MJ was the one who married him. Some of the worst decisions and story lines were born out of attempts at getting rid of the marriage.
>>154025934this is a terrible take
>>154024876Conway disowned the Punisher when he became a Chud hero.>>154024915Just look at Conway's own Spectacular run that happened after Peter got married. He avoided writing Peter's married life as much as possible, Michelinie handled all that.>>154025558>The defining attribute of Peter Parker was that he aged and status quo DID change. This ignores the long periods of time when he didn't change. Everyone in the Marvel Universe aged in real time until 1968 when Stan Lee slammed the breaks on it after realizing superheroes likely weren't going to be some decade-long passing fad. Then he was a college student for 13 years. And Wolfman had him graduate, not to age him, but to keep him permanently locked in as a graduate student. "Permanent 22 year old" was going to be his status quo, but it just one out of a thousand more cuts that kept pushing his age up. From 78 to 87 there was no real "progression," just the usual Spider-Man stories with Stan Lee's patented "illusion of change." And after 1987 up through 2007, once again, no progression. That's 20 years. They gave MJ a baby in the mid-90s when they were flirting with the idea of permanently benching Peter to replace him with Ben, came to their senses, gave her a miscarriage. MJ "died," came back, separated, got back together with him. All that was ultimately a return to a status quo.>Gerry authored Parker's transition from teenager to young man at precisely the same time that Gerry was aging from teenager to young man.Conway saw Peter as an eternal 19 year old when he wrote his original run. He and MJ grew a bit, but not too much.>Quesada was going through a bitter divorce, so Peter had to lose his marriage too.Never happened, this is a hallucination.
>>154026350A story like the clone saga wouldn't have happened if people were excited about the Spider-Man books coming out month to month. And when it ended, the line relaunch wouldn't have happened if people once again didn't immediately get bored with the incredibly dull stories they were producing. They wrote themselves into a corner.
>>154026366>Conway disowned the Punisher when he became a Chud heroIn other words, a rule for thee and not for me.
>>154020980Anon these comics have been running for a long time and if you try to think of everything that has happened as canon, you are going to have some issues. For that reason you just read the ones you think are interesting and create your own canon in your head.
>>154026448Do you have numbers proving people were bored? If they wrote themselves into a corner its not becuase of the Marriage. They could have told stories about Peter in his teen years they could have just made another line and done that. oh wait they did and it fucked up the mythology and gave us miles. they could have told stories about mayday but instead we get Spider Gwen (Which is wierd).Spider-Man doesnt "stand for teen boys". He is about respomsibility.
>>154024729Marvel characters always grew and changed though. Reed Richards gets a kid, Nick Fury became head of S.H.I.E.L.D. and so on. Having an elaborate intersecting continuity where characters could grow was a selling point. It was never purely status quo. >The married Peter Parker is a much less interesting character than the teenaged Peter ParkerSkill issue. He's a different character, but there's no reason he can't be interesting.
>>154026670There is so much continuity there is no continuity and everything that happened after OMD is Apocrypha.
>>154021979She was very prominent in Marvel Invasion
>>154026844Yeah they totally boned continuity. You'd think an entire marvel event could have happened out of it.
>>154026930I dont get it? Did a marvel event happen to fix the continuity.
>>154026798Yeah, check comichron Amazing sales of January in each year1997 81,0271998 68,1751999 after the reboot 83,8912000 56,4132001 49,1902002 after JMS reinvigorated the title 97,4492003 97,0332004 87,3662005 79,6822006 during The Other 95,3832007 with Civil War in full swing 114,7962008 start of a Brand New Day 127,856 101,132 97,8812009 with one issue propped up by Obama 352,847 63,735 59,9142010 76,730 61,969 56,8372011 the beginning of Slott 56,749 52,050I'll just skip to the Spencer years2018 66,396 91,697 - must have been some weird promotion here with that second issue, the numbers went back to normal in the following month2019 57,520 57,726 Oh would you look at that, the "Peter and Mary Jane are back together" hype fizzled out after a short period of time. People got bored again. In the historical records, in the 80s, pre-marriage Amazing Spider-Man was selling around 280,000 copies a month, though those numbers were propped up heavily by newsstand sales. Ultimate Spider-Man made Spider-Man comics popular with a new generation of teens again, that's a fact. It didn't last, they botched it and there's a number of reasons for how and why that happened, how it goes.>>154026843By always you mean "from 1962 to 1968" when Stan Lee decided they needed to stop aging.>Lee had conveyed to his writers that Marvel's stories should have only 'the illusion of change,' that the characters should never evolve too much, lest their portrayals conflict with what licensees had planned for other media
>>154026798>>154026843Spider-Man is entirely defined by being one of, if not THE first teenage heroes. Before him, kids and teens almost never got to be heroes, they were relegated to being sidekicks to adult heroes.
>>154026448The marriage isn't what made the book boring. It's just a scapegoat to avoid blaming the writers and editors. We haven't had a marriage for nearly 20 years and this shit has stunk basically the whole time.
>>154027813The main problem with Spencer's run is they kept dragging the Kindred mystery to the point that everyone hated it. It wasn't nearly engaging enough for how much they tried to milk it.
>>154020980Character development would be IF they managed to settle down
>>154027888No one under the age of 50 has ever read a comic where spiderman was under the age of 25.Every fucking popular spiderman work has him as a young adult/25ish year old.Whats your favorite mainline teenage spiderman story? Every single one. The problem us that they want to sell him as a teen but they cant. Xmen has no teens and it sells like dildos at a dyke colony.
>>154022554Norman looks like he doesn't want to be there.
>>154028010hes more like 30 since he graduated university after years of dicking about and became a professor at one point. thats mid 20s and its long past that.
>>154027397No they just slipped it all in there and we just took it. No real explanation of how things.If he missed the wedding how were they still together? How does that effect Venom's origin?
>>154028046Late 20s early thirties. Look huge chunks of spidermans popular mythos doesnt work if he's a teenager.It just diesnt. Most of his stories work if hes a perietual teenager.Even spectacular spiderman cartoon was just college spiderman in everything but name. The marvel people complaining are peoole who never wrote a good spiderman comic in their lives.
>>154020980MaryWhoreSisters are delusional
>>154026366>married lifeYeah forget all those pages he has of MJ and Peter embracing in his Web of run.>when he wrote his original runWhoa guys, we got a mind reader over here. Faggot.>Quesada divorceIt is parroted by anons, I will give you that. But the faggot reeks of a divorcee. Anyway, smells like Brevoort or Slott in here. What a stench. Ugh. >>154027813>fizzledYeah it did renew interest but stories take time to build and speculators exist no matter if a character returns or dies. MJ by itself won't rocket the book every week but it actually does show that editorial isn't up their own ass. >1962 to 1968Yeah remember when Matt never changed from being a lawyer or never met Electra? Yep. Nobody changed.
>>154028010Mostly true for 616, but Ultimate Spider-Man, the Mary Jane series, Marvel Adventures, and Spidey all had him as high schooler.
>>154023214that planet's real name? Isnotrael.
>>154028517>Yeah remember when Matt never changed from being a lawyer or never met Electra? Yep. Nobody changed.That's illusion of change. Matt will occasionally have periods of not being a lawyer, but he'll always go back to that occupation. Having a college love interest turned assassin in his life doesn't change him all that much either.
>>154028819Ok let me put it in these terms. Who wants to read illusion of change when Spider-Man is a special case where every facet of design, plot, characterization, and themes all point towards actual tangible change being the moments that are most critically lauded by fans and are the most unique things about Spider-Man in comparison to Matt? Also how come Karen Page is still dead since Guardian Devil? Why is it that change has stuck while Karen in Born Again is a major ending point that drives the message home for that story while Guardian Devil her death sticks when it probably shouldn't have with a story that sucks? You'll say nobody cared about her and that the effects of that story and Born Again are only an illusion of change. But why is it that Born Again and KLH are still brought up today? Because they contain arcs that change the character by the end. And a writer who ignores all that is doing a disservice to the character and to the audience if they maintain that illusion by breaking the more important one that these stories have stakes. How do you maintain stakes if Peter is arbitrary and the plots are arbitrary? It's an exercise in futility just as your struggles to appear competent, faggot.
>>154028951>Who wants to read illusion of change when Spider-Man is a special case where every facet of design, plot, characterization, and themes all point towards actual tangible change being the moments that are most critically lauded by fans and are the most unique things about Spider-Man in comparison to Matt?See >>154026366 againThere are long periods of time where nothing changed and none of the changes were part of an intentional plan to have Peter age and progress. There's no single writer or editor who's ever said "Yes, it was my intent to have Peter grow up" except that blowhard JMS and his own editors, Alonso and Quesada, did not share his preference.>Also how come Karen Page is still dead since Guardian Devil?A lot of people disliked crybaby Karen Page. Frank Miller bringing her back as a drug addicted porn star was a fuck you to the whole era of "Karen cries about wanting to be with Matt while Matt laments over not being able to be with Karen because he's blind/unwilling to give up being Daredevil.">But why is it that Born Again and KLH are still brought up today? Because they contain arcs that change the character by the end. They're brought up because they're artistically well-done stories. "Something happened" does not make for a good story in and of itself.
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>>154029083>none of the changes were part of an intentional plan to have Peter age and progressYeah so? I don't care about what the writers or editors say. You're retarded if you think that's what I mean. I know all the stories you faggot. I know all the behind the scenes stories and sentiments as well. But if you read the fucking text (the books themselves) that's all there. What else is it about? What is it fucking about if not responsibility and growing more adept at handling differing ones, more responsibility, etc.? I don't need an intentional plan. A lot of Marvel is kino by happenstance and a lot of good writing is like that. >something happenedYes but you cannot remove it without the stakes plummetting and the weight of the story evaporating. Why do I care for Peter if he isn't trying to get back and save his wife? These stories do not exist in a vacuum. Retard.>fuck you to whole era with Karen Headcanon.
>>154029298>So, at a certain point, Stan called up Marvel and let the folks there know that he was planning to marry Peter and Mary Jane in the newspaper strip at such-and-such a point. At the time, Mary Jane wasn't even dating Peter in the series, but [then EIC] Jim Shooter, not wanting the comics to get scooped by the newspaper strip or whatever, decided that the publicity surrounding the marriage (there was talk of a faux wedding ceremony taking place at Shea Stadium to commemorate the event) and the fact that this was Stan made it worth doing in the books as well.>The lead-up to the marriage is ridiculously rushed, as the creative team needed to move Peter and MJ from not dating to getting married in something like three months. So one issue opens up with Pete on top of a building musing about his life and what's wrong with it, and suddenly clicking on the notion that he should marry Mary Jane. He ends up proposing, following her back to Pittsburgh and learning about her upbringing in three issues. And then the wedding takes place. While the creators all did the best they could with the schedule, it was about as unconvincing a block of storytelling as was possible, especially given the pains that the Spidey creative teams had taken over the previous two years or so to indicate that Pete and MJ were no more than friends.>And at the time, most of the reactions in comic book stores was very much like what we're seeing now: This is fake, this is artificial, it's just a blatant media grab, they've ruined Spider-Man for all time, etc. That's not good writing. You only accept it because that's how it already was when you got into it.>Yes but you cannot remove it without the stakes plummetting and the weight of the story evaporating.The Kid Who Collected Spider-Man is a classic and progresses nothing. The Final Chapter is an earlier example. He lifts a big pile of heavy machinery, that's the story.>Headcanon.Check the letter pages, a lot of people hated Karen.
They should pair Peter up with April O’Neil
>>154028691Ultimate sold because 616 was a clusterfuck of unreadable garbage at the timeAnd the rest are typical nit really popular alt universe stuff.
>>154027813The marriage wasnt the issue, everything surrounding it was. the numbers you post are all over the place and not accurate. And yes they botched Ultimate and fucked up the Mythos, despite its success it should have never happened. There is now more than one origin story and more than one two many spider people. There are clearly several different epochs depicting the character growth of spider-man: High School, College, Post-Gwen death, the period following the first proposal all the way to the Symbiote, then you have Marriage years before the clone saga and then the marriage years after the clone saga and Mays "Death". Everything grinds to a halt after OMD and becomes a mush of events.you could have just made a new line, telling stories from a particular period. like during the ditko years or the 200s of asm. you didnt need to get rid of the marriage.
>>154029636The idea of just having runs focused on particular parts of Peters life or just alternative universes where he could end up in wildly different places or with different relationships is far too sensible, far better to sell his marriage and love to a Demon and completely muddle-fuck with magic twenty years of comics you now have to try square to make sense because BND writers can't write a stable relationship.
>>154029461Yeah ok just post an article framing it in the terms you want which is probably written by Brevoort or one his sycophants as the marriage issue itself and the marriage when it happened in general is known by people to be rushed yet the marriage in general as a status quo is beloved and the stories that came after. That's not what we're arguing faggot.Ok so you brought up other stories that are not moving the plot forward. But those are pieces of the story of Spider-Man and some stories choose different decisions and some see them as great as well. I don't care that those stories did it without progressing. Look at how many shit stories these hacks have created and they haven't progressed the story. This proves nothing except that the book had more variety and creativity back then. Now it doesn't. I don't care about the letters pages I used that as a point to show that Miller managed to make her important to her story just like how Conway used Gwen who sucked massively to tell a good story and progress both their characters. Holy fuck you're dense. Also you framed it like Miller thought that way when you don't know for certain and that isn't the main point. I'm not looking for Karen to get married to him, I'm looking for her to become an interesting character and Born Again helped in that regard while Guardian Devil wasted it.
>>154029724Your average reader doesn't see "runs" or "universes", they just see Spider-Man
>>154023249>This wasn't main canon, I don't know why some people act like it wasBecause it's better. It's better than the main canon. It was built of things that happened in main canon and took them into directions that weren't shit. Nobody is going DRRR MC2 is part of 616. But it's better. >>154024340She was in a few of the older games like Marvel Heroes online and that Spider-man runner thing. Spider-gwen and the other satellite spiders will continue to suck and get relaunched but we will always know who actually carried a book.
>>154030376But that's the thing, you can have all this and it's still Spider-Man. It's OMD that's so fucking out of whack and casting such a long cancerous shadow, it was the Lucy pulls the football for good moment for the franchise.
>>154030376The average reader sees this as a dying industry, the modern editorial as faggots, and old comics as kino.
>>154030509Based and true.
>>154020980Hopefully never Also I love MJ as venom. She's the best venom and I wanna f her so bad. Who cares about relationship BS in comics what are you a woman? LMAO sissy
>>154030621Jack off before posting, Pablo
>>154020980never? this is capeshit, what do you expect? it's been the same stories for a hundred year at this point
>>154030885Why do people who have never so much as touched a comic so confidently spout their incorrect opinions? Would you do this about a movie you’ve never seen? A TV show you’ve never watched?
>>154030392>Because it's better.Many things are better than main canon, but when people complain about Peter and MJ not settling down, they're specifically talking about the 616 versions.As good as MC2 was, it was just another alternate future, not the main canon that Marvel actually focuses on, so while they let some alternate Peters and MJs actually have families, the main ones have only regressed as time has gone on.
At this point even fucking characters like Finn the Human and Steven Universe are going to get families and children before Peter canonicallyWhat the fuck went so wrong?
>>154031024A self-selecting cabal of like-minded creatives at Spider-Office took root and have refused to read the room for almost two solid decades. Arguably longer, as the Clone Saga is a direct result of these fucking idiots being unable to use a stable marriage as an asset to heighten, stabilize or contrast drama and not a obstacle to divorced man energy or I want to fuck everyone through my childhood self-insert.
Is his superpower getting cucked?
The long national nightmare is over(Should've been Carol)
>>154031268this stupid event is going to make Cates’ drug-fueled abortions look like the pinnacle of the genre
>>154030318>I'm looking for her to become an interesting character and Born Again helped in that regard while Guardian Devil wasted it.There was a 14 year gap between Karen's last appearance in Daredevil and Born Again. And there weren't any particularly memorable stories featuring her in the 14 years between Born Again and Guardian Devil. She wasn't wasted, she was useless.
>>154030991Why is it so important to you that the "main" Spider-Man grow old when you can just read your alt future endings and leave it at that?
>>154031867Ok? What I am trying to say here is that Marvel didn't come up with anything new and didn't develop any long-term shit with her. Perhaps she is one that doesn't have enough initially. But a writer could come up with brand new stuff. But nah, nothing happened like you said after that.Can't do much now except say that if someone has ideas they have to replace the substantive appeal of that character to make up for them being taken off the board. BND and the stagnation of the status quo has done nothing but create slop.
As far as im concerned the BND era ended with DR Strange calling MJ and Peter unbreakable. This new era of paul was an altered time line manipulated by mephisto, and Venom 258 was a false ending.
>>154031932Because MAIN continuity brings legitimacy and because it was already happening in 616. Why this degenerate cuck spider man be relegated to alt universes?
>>154032530Venom 258 was such a lazy, craven sweep under the carpet. No actual addressing anything directly said or done, only alluded to and characters falling over themselves to forgive each-other (and thus the creatives) how big a mess they made, rather than have the characters act like the relatable Human beings they used to be great at along with the super action. That was what made Spider-Man compelling.Remember when Peter had a temper? A backbone? Knew when to walk the fuck away from people who were hurting him? Maybe he actually wants to be the one who puts space and boundaries to a woman who treated him appallingly (ha) and MJ has to be the one chasing him for a change?Actual drama, born of actual characters. Not telenovela secret relatives we've already had because we have hack writers doing hack writer things.
>>154021006fpbp
>>154032641They either lack talent or actually hate the audience and are having a laugh at the still reading readers expense.OMD has ruined any potential of Spiderman as a serious book forever. It's fucking over. The only way to fix it is a total universal reset at this point.
>>154032753Mephisto could be outright killed instead. The Faustian aspect of Johnny Blaze is basically generic now because of Mephistowank like OMD and MCU Ironheart's pact so there is not much of a point in this concept anymore.
>>154020980I don't even like Mary Jane anymore. I just wish Spider-Office would finally just shit or get off the pot. They don't want Peter with Mary Jane? Fine. Write her out of the comic instead of this 19 years straight of edging and blueballing.Marvel got what they wanted. I don't want them together anymore nor do even want to see her in Spidey's orbit anymore.She's too toxic for Peter now and he deserves better than a 304 who will easily give up on him on jump the bones of a twat-knot wearing vegan faggot who assisted his father in summoning an ancient Mayan god to wipe out all life in their reality.Peter has also confirmed twice over now that MJ is more like a sister to him, anyway under Kelly's pen.I hope they either kill her off of permanently exile her to space as the Queen in Black or whatever the fuck because her shitting on him and his "Oh no, you're totally heckin' valid and NEVER need to apologizee to ME" response was unbearably pathetic and cucked. God, no wonder she doesn't respect him. And we're supposed to give a shit about her 60th Anniversary one-shot where a variant has her cucking Spidey with Wolverine in a full liplock...
>>154036453Hello Cb! Good to see you again!
Mark my words, they're gonna have Miles Morales shag Peter's MJ at some point
>>154036682Have fun getting compared to Paul Rabin who was also a multiverse refugee I guess.
>>154036453>RedditspacingDo we have a new reddit refugee
>>154022404Peter >Carlie Cooper (Literally named after Joe Quesada's daughter and first GF post-OMD)>Anna Maria Marconi (Technically Otto's GF since this was during that stupid Superior Spider-Man storyline where Emma Frost OoC respected consent and didn't read his mind because Wolverine was against so the hackneyed plot wouldn't end too early)>Silk (Bitten by the same spider so they had mutual rape pheromones to fulfill Dan Slott's Korean woman lusting over white boy dick fetish)>Lian Tang (Betrayed him to the Zodiac and lead to the destruction of Parker Industries)>Mockingbird (Because Slott is a hack and they are superheroes who wear masks working the same security detail so he considered that 'chemistry')>Michelle Gonzalez (A lawyer or some shit)>Norah Winters (Had a brief, flirtatious "will-they-won't-they" dynamic with Peter early in the Brand New Day era, though it was less of a traditional committed romance)>Captain Marvel briefly dated him but found him annoying.>Shay Marken (Ravencroft shrink who was his rebound from MJ cheating on him with Paul Rabin)>Black Cat (Another MJ rebound he slept with while dating Shay due to them practicing "ethical non-monogamy" before she broke up with him because they were "too healthy" together)>Raelith the Wretched (Yellow-skinned alien babe that Peter was FWBs-ish with when he went to space as a "Not" GotG in Joe Kelly's run pre-Death Spiral nothingburger event)MJ>Pedro (Firefighter)>Bobby Carr (Scummy actor who told her she was a stupid bitch and a shitty actress to her face saying that execs spared her feelings because she's hot, pretty much, before they broke up)>Ollie (A brief boyfriend from her nightclub ownership days, mentioned in the Superior Spider-Man era when she finally decided to attempt building her own life)>Paul Rabin (While trapped in an alternate dimension, Mary Jane and Paul spent roughly four years together. During this time, they found and adopted two children)
>>154023207Except they have primary canon unverses.DC used to be Earth-Two until the first Crisis made it Earth One and/or Earth Prime. Marvel's main universe has always been Earth-616 in the comics and Earth-199999 in the MCU but that retarded hairless faggot Feige is trying to force 616 on the MCU lately.
>>154023249Because it's better than whatever the fuck the past ~`20~~ hell--I'll be generous and say the past 4 years have been.>WHAT DID PETER DO!? (Fucking nothing bad as it turned out)>"NO, PLEASE LONNIE! I'VE LEARNED MY LESSON!" (Tombstone)>"NORMAN PLEASE SAVE ME! I'M GONNA DIE!" (To the fucking VULTURE of all people)>"Yeah, Paul cucked me with my girlfriend right when we were about to get engaged but I'd never miss his chicken korma!">"MJ is like a sister to me!"
>>154023382That's because The New 52 fucked things for Superman HARD after the "Truth" arc and sales tanked.Nu 52 Wonder Woman as bad as it was actually would have been WORSE if Azarrello didn't act as a buffer for Didio's even more retarded grimderp plans for Diana and the Amazons were.
>>154029083"Nothing should ever happen in stories" is a take. A retarded one that is fundamentally anti-story, but a take nonetheless so I give you credit, anon.
>>154030621I hope Knull rapes and kills her so we can all finally move on at the end of QiB. It's not like she's salvageable as a character post-Wells run, anyway.
>>154031024Gen-Xers and bitter divorcees realized their own mortality and began to live vicariously through Marvel characters--Morrison used it to permanently deconstruct and break down Cyclops and Jean's marriage (it has never recovered), Quesada got divorce raped and took it out on Spider-Man because he saw Mary Jane Parker as his bitch wife and wanted Spidey to fuck his daughter, Carlie ~~Quesada~~ Cooper, Zeb Wells got divorce raped and took it out on Peter and MJ's relationship when Lowe brought him in to do specifically that to retaliate against Nick Spencer and fans for trying to undo OMD and being excited for it, respectively.
>>154031229Post-OMD?Unironically, yes.
>>154031932Why is it so important to you that that "main" Spider-Man remains a whiny manchild into eternity?
>>154020980How can they fix MJ's image overall? Paul has ruined the public's opinion on MJ and the Raimi movies didn't help. People just see her as a cheater and disloyal because they decided to subvert her character so much.
>>154037092> Stop drawing her with sour puss face and writing cuntish snippy dialoge> She needs to have big gobbling making out senssions with Peter telling him how awesome he is and how lucky she is to be with him> Tickle fights> She needs to save him and be his champion.> She hurt peter real bad, venom 258 wasnt enough. In death Paul can still have a heel turn, and become a villian she can do nothing about. > Dylan uncovers Pauls journal where he admits to manipulating MJ for x reasons (he knew about the time dilation and lied to her and how gullible she was, thinking he was trying to make amens, when he was really giving his money to gay Prostitutes. Mocking her for think he would be another Peter and what a coward she was for not returning to him). >this reframes how dylan sees him after death as well.
>>154036785>Yellow-skinned alien babe that Peter was FWBs-ish with when he went to spaceyou forgot the blue inhuman alien chick Els Udonta.
