Is /co/'s hatred for TADC just seethe and jealousy from failed animators or is this an industrycuck propaganda campaign?
>>154030651I want to cum on that face.
>>154030651No, it's a just not a good show.
>>154030651I think most of the people here just get angry at failed potential.Even though it’s going to make money, the stink of that ending is going to take a very long time to wash off for indie animation.
>>154030759>TADC having a bad ending = all indie animation is badIndustrycuck detected.
I've seen enough clips of the show to know it's not for meI don't hate it, I'm just indifferent to it
>>154030651TADC is awfult. only watched episode 1 (jaxtrannies seethe!)
>>154030651Some posts are very obviously industrycuck impotent seethe at Glitch and indie shows in general, but also there's actual genuine seethe about how shit TADC ended up being as a result of Gooseworx's tranny woes. So, bit of this and a bit of that.
My issue with it is that I assumed that the bad monologues about their problems were a flaw they hadn't figured out but they actually thought that sounded good. Any deeper quality within the work was unintentional.
See, this is what I mean. The numbers don't lie - the show is extremely popular. Yet this place is full of nothing but people who hate it. Very suspicious.
>>154030651>industrycuckWho or what is that?
>>154031239People who defend mainstream animation while trashing independent productions.
>>154030795I mean, Glitch went out of their way to talk about how the theatrical release would 'change how the entire industry views indie animation'. It's unsurprising that people would, in return, think the possibility of the theatrical release ending up as a disaster would in turn also be bad for the reputation of indie shit. They kinda did this to themselves.
>>154031270Ok, but this idea it's going to be a disaster is wrong. It was wrong weeks ago. They've already made several times their budget just in presales. It's already made a pile of money, it's not going to fail. Everyone saying it's going to fail and tarnish indies forever is projecting, HARD. They WANT that to happen and think saying it will somehow make it happen, but it's not going to. They've already made bank.
>>154031308>They made tons of cash so it MUST be goodu must be full of sole
>>154031329It's not about whether it's good, it doesn't matter whether it's good but whether it's profitable. That's all a business cares about. As for whether it's good or not, I'll judge that for myself tomorrow.
>>154031389What does it matter? Like you said, it's profitable. Your opinion is irrelevant.
>>154031429Who in the hell is going to see this in theaters who isn't a TADC fan?
>creator makes X thing which makes some money>decides to sabotage it because "fans are just mean :(">"umm if you don't like this thing it means you were NEVER a fan!">"umm if you don't like this thing it means you hate the entire industry!">"umm you're just jealous because X thing made money lol">"umm it means you're an -ist -phobe"Can we all just admit the show sucked. It was bad. Most animation things made nowadays just suck because it's always about weird fetishes or therapy or saguka anime nippon bullshit or weird shoehorned political ideology or whatever.Why can't we just make something and it be from the heart and it's sincere and it doesn't try to piss people off. Why is that not a thing.I don't give a shit about the who's who or politics or transness or media literacy or whatever bullshit. Can somebody just make a thing because they wanted to and they enjoyed it and they wanted to try and make a good product. Congrats your show made money. Glad to hear it. But you obviously weren't confident in your product when you self sabotaged. You aren't confident when you have to try and appeal to people just because "it's animation and it's made by humans so we need to support it"Just fucking to try to make something good. Please. Stop only making or telling people to like things because it aligns with your side.
>>154030651No; at least in my case, I only watched half the pilot and simply thought it was bad. Then I learned it was made by a castration cultist and found it reprehensible, and Glitch by association.
>>154031524How the fuck do you know they decided to sabotage it because fans were mean? How did they even sabotage it? You think Goose changed the finale after getting le bullied on Reddit? They've been working on this shit well before getting harassed. And I have never seen Goose tell people they have to like her- Oh I'm sorry HIS show. Am I based now?I can get the hissy fit was unwarranted, even Goose admits it. But that doesn't make your media bad.But dammit, I can't help but agree every animation now sucks, not because I actually believe it, but because I feel deep down everything is made with the internet in mind because I spend so much goddamn time on it.
>>154031524>>decides to sabotage it because "fans are just mean :("He must've had that revelation mid-production and sabotaged the pilot. Since, by your own admission, the show always sucked.>Why can't [Cooper Goodwin] just make something and it be from the heart and it's sincere and it doesn't try to piss people off[?]Because he's a hollow shell, his mind emptied and body rendered a drone before the cult's castration ritual.>Can [Goodwin] just make a thing because [he] wanted to and [he] enjoyed it and [he] wanted to try and make a good product[?]No, he can't. Never work with castration cultists, or anyone with a remote chance of running defense for them.>>154033649>I have never seen [Cooper] tell people they have to like [his] showHe didn't need to; the capitulators would've lined up to do it for him, and they did.>that doesn't make your media badNo, being a cultist with a childish, myopic view that "anyone can be whatever, maaaaaaaaan" makes his media bad. And being a member of a child-targeting ritual cult makes him bad, and anyone who'd defend him.
>>154033691Oh hey it's the GoosefagWhat up, loser?
>>154033649I should elaborate on my last point;I don't like how things are made with the intention of making people like it. I feel the thing should speak for itself rather than do convincing of me to like it.I liked Digital Circus cause it was an earnest story in a sea of post irony animations online in a world ruled by Oneyplays and Sleepycast who hated Family Guy. It just needed to have a serious moment with no punchline and it had me hooked instantly.Anyone who tries to be the next X or Y is doing it wrong and I doubt Goose wanted to make a cartoon to validate their trans-ness, they just wanted to make something cool cause Glitch asked them to. They came up with the concept for the show in about a day too.I do feel people online are insecure fucks who feel the world owes them everything. I feel the world owes me something because I have female OCs who are sexy and 4chan made me think that was illegal, so where is my hit deal, Hollywood?My point is that my assumption that everything is made for a twitter audience in mind is only because I go on twitter too much. Once I go off it, those assumptions are thrown out the window.
>>154033710>GoosefagYou have me confused for someone else; I hold no affinity to Cooper Goodwin.>buuhhh, hate idn't da op-puh... op-po-sit (heh i got it dat time) of wuv!!1!Then I "love" Goodwin as much as I "love" any other castration-cultist ghoul, or any one of the castration cult's State-funded capitulators, or its capitulators in general.
>>154033787plenty of people on this board get named after the shit they hate.
>>154033787No you're just obsessed with them, calling them by their deadname and saying they have a cult of self mutilators.I have never met a tranny who loved mutilating their genitals.
>>154033787Okay Goosefag
>>154033812Then I guess that's my mistake, I've always seen goose as just some person rather than some cult leader mastermind who wants to fuck kids like people here seem to believe just because they had dysphoria
>>154030651Dude made a show about killing off his original male personality. If that’s what it takes to “succeed,” I don’t want it.
>>154030651I saw a lot of potential for some lore shit, or at least flashback episodes. Those would've been good, like watching adventures from before the main cast.I didn't care enough about the characters. They have the usual zoomer cardboard personalities, and god, they barely, BARELY expanded on their backstories and shit. The only good thing that came along was Pomni.Now I'll only watch animations based on comics/webcomics, and gameoverse because COOM KITTEN.-
>>154033984I kinda like they don't say much because it leaves it up to the imagination
>>154033817>themHe's one person>calling [him] by [his real name]And?>saying [he has] a cult of self mutilatorsHe's part of one. Big difference. Tom Cruise isn't the leader of Scientology.>I have never met a tranny who loved mutilating their genitals.Oh, so I take it that whole "bottom surgery" thing is a myth to freak us "straights" out, is that it?
>>154033817Damn dude guess you should go back to r*ddit and let them know how you epically pwned that guy
>>154033817will you please stop taking the god damn bait
>>154034383What bait?
>>154034383What’s the bait? Proving that some of Goose’s fans are lame fucks who are against problematic language and still keep shoring up 2010s trans identity while Goose - very honestly - displays that he has an identity death fetish?Gotta admit, that’s embarrassing. The tide is sweeping gay shit away.
>>154034421>The tide is sweeping gay shit awayThank God, but it will only be a success if it takes the 250-year-old psychosis of "muh representation" with it.
>>154030651When I see the success of GLITCH and TADC. I don’t feel jealous, I moreso just feel disappointed. *This* is the art of the people? A show that’s essentially just Analogue Horror: The Animated Series with quirky lolsorandom millennial comedy and therapyspeak drama? At least hazbin hotel has catchy musical numbers to get you through its otherwise vapid plot. This thing is just a slog to sit through even if the creator is a makeshift composer. It really is no surprise anime is beating us. And why so many indie animators try to mimic it (and fail)
>>154035033>*This* is the art of the people?No, it's the art of the castration cult, and onboarding Cooper Goodwin was an act of capitulation on the part of Glitch, as well as every cinema that agreed to their little Circus Shit theater event.
>>154030795>industry cuckDon’t kill yourself tomorrow, Jaxfag.
>>154030795That’s not at all what he said. He said that, as the undisputed current face of indie animation there’s a lot hinging on its perception.
>>154030759>failed potentialWhat potential?>the stink of [the entire series] is going to take a very long time to wash off for indie animationI agree.>>154030795>[Circus Shit] having a bad [everything]Minor factual corrections.>>154031308>this idea it's going to be a disaster is wrongCorrect; why would the cultists and cult-capitulators, both of which existed long before Circus Shit was a dream in Cooper Goodwin's diseased head, stop after their already-shit series has a shit ending?>>154035202>as the undisputed current face of indie animation there’s a lot hinging on its perceptionThey should've thought about that before, or just shortly after, hiring a castration cultist as a showrunner.
>>154031524>Why can't we just make something and it be from the heart and it's sincerethat happens all the time, it's just that people have weird fetishes and therapy and saguka anime nippon bullshit and weird political ideology in their hearts.not me though. i have racial slurs in my heart.
>>154034478Who do you want governing you, how should those people be chosen, and what should the mechanisms for holding them accountable if they fuck up be?
>>154030651Your fave character becomes the equivalent of a feral dog.
>>154035330>Who do you want governing youIrrelevant.>how should those people be chosen>chosenGood one.>what should the mechanisms for holding them accountable if they fuck up be?Are the Soldiers happy? If yes, then the Sovereign can't be doing too bad a job, can he?
It's option C) 4chan hates trans people and anything they make.
>>154033984Just watch Murder Drones for the lore autism and kino. TADC acts like there's going to actually be some important information revealed to you but it all just amounts to nothing.
>>154035631Deserved. Castration cultists should have no leeway.
>>154035633MD has terrible pacing but at least it answered most of the questions it dropped
>>154035633Anyone who says MD is better written than TADC is a lost cause and I can safely discard your opinions automatically.
>>154035699I meam that's just Glitch shows in general honestly. I don't think it can really be helped with how little episodes these shows are given. I don't mind the fast pace because I don't mind being able to easily go back and rewatch - its a free cartoon on Youtube afterall. At the very least, like you said, Murder Drones actually has things happen and reveals things.
>>154035631Is it a matter of “hate” or that they make algorithmically generated, predictable stories about their identities?Christianity teaches that Christ is the only way to life and this means that anti-Christian culture just lacks life. It’s stilted, predictable, and a function of their lifestyles rather than a kind of creativity you can imagine in heaven like Shakespeare or Tolkien.
>>154035806Keep coping, retarded tranny Murder Drones isn't perfect by any means, especially at the start, but its objectively a better show as it goes on because it actually does something with its world and things don't just fucking happen while the characters talk out loud to you in therapy sessions about their feelingsMurder Drones shows and doesn't tell, TADC tells and tells and tells and then ends
>>154035825>I don't think it can really be helped with how little episodes these shows are given.Meta Runner and Sunset Overdrive got plenty.
>>154035843Christianity isn't true
>>154035934Meta Runner and Sunset Paradise were MUCH cheaper productions, with a smaller close knit team, and the showrunners were the brothers that own SMG4 and Glitch. The difference between then and now ks that ever since Murder Drones, Glitch's new shows are produced by Glitch and the showrunner is an outside online creator they bring on in order to produce their show.
I heard someone say that TADC was for people who make neurodivergency their whole identity.I liked the show (hated the finale) but looking at the general threads, they made a bunch of OCs and anyone saying "this OC shit sucks" is called a tourist, so maybe the hate is valid.
>>154036150I suppose it's a matter of budgeting.
>>154036159>I liked the show (hated the finale)Why only pretend to have standards now?>maybe the hate is validIt always was; your series is shit, it was made by a shit person, and the company that hired him is all the shittier for it. Again, why only now pretend you have standards after three years?
>>154035658You share a board with /LGBT/ why the fuck are you here?
This show was inspired by I have no mouth and I must scream, and it has an ending where nothing matters in the end. Would you say I have no mouth is as bad as TADC or did I have no mouth do a bleak ending better cause it wasn't gay?
>>154036488You're right, something should be done about that...
>>154030651both, it's genuinely original. haters think that their uninspired slapstick or action cartoon idea is 10x better because it isn't lgbt, but it looks worse than it is inspired because they lack a budget and are doing it out of spite
>>154036535Then do something about it, fagMessage the mods of 4chan and tell them to take it down, I dunno, kill every gay person in the world if you're so fucking tired of fags everywhere you go. You do actually wanna do something about it right? Or do you want someone else to do it for you, you lazy fuck?
>>154036505The OG story had a gay character in it as well, but animation fans can't stand anything that doesn't have a feel-good pixar ending. They just want an endless deluge of cishet-friendly shallow slapstick and G-rated action cartoons, and they don't watch those because they are booring.
>>154036628/co/ in a nutshell reallyWanting stuff they expect so they feel justified in enjoying it or else they have to lash out at women and minorities
>>154036505Inspired by =/= direct copyEven then, there’s a number of people who would argue the game’s “good ending” is better.
>>154036689The game has multiple endings?That has me even more curious to play it.And yeah I get inspiration doesn't mean copy, I just mean since both are going for a similar bleak feel, which do you feel did it better?
>>154036712If that was what TADC was going for then it completely failed. It doesn't feel like Dark Seed or IHNMAIMS or Harvester or any other dark point and click game from that era. The first couple of episodes are tonally all over the place and don't really set anything up. There's not a single moment where the characters aren't bouncing all over the place. It's more like Hazbin Hotel than anything else.
>>154036505TADC is just IHNAIM but Ted kills/jellies himself instead of the others and AM has a sudden change of heart and just decides to give everyone god powers. This is a Disney movie ending compared to the thing its inspired by
>>154036805I'm talking about it was inspired by the original story, not the point and click game. And besides, the last episode we had was a permanent change the status quo. Even in the first episode, there was a sense of inescapable dread. That's the I have no mouth inspiration, the feeling that nothing is gonna change and you're stuck here forever. Everything is all wacky and stuff to distract you from the fact you'll never see your home again.Yeah it's surface level clearly, I'm not trying to make a grand statement that TADC is as relevent and poignant and as good as I have no mouth, I am just saying they share common DNA, much like how I share my DNA with your mom
>>154036850>AM has a sudden change of heart and just decides to give everyone god powersIs that why he tortured everyone when they said they hated his adventures? The only "God" powers I see are toon logic, which isn't enough to beat Caine because they are limited by their imagination and even if they did try, Caine would just take them away because he's the computer running the show.Are we watching the same show here, because Caine did not change his heart, especially when he realized the gang did not appreciate his adventures, so he grew to hate them and torture them and talk about how better he is than them
>>154036871He's talking about the TADC ending where Caine undeletes himself with no explaination, changes his mind with no explaination, and makes everyone in the Circus an admin to do whatever they want.With no explaination.
>>154036945I was trying to not get spoiled of what happens, and yet I keep on coming back here. I didn't know what I was expecting, or why the fuck do I keep on going back here. I guess I'm a chud deep down and I have to accept it. I have to accept that I hate women and minorities because it's fun to be an edgelord and offend people that don't wanna be offended.Also>With no explainationWhy do you want everything handed to you? Why can't you just make educated guesses on what happens in canon? I understand if you're confused, but the point of entertainment is to engage with it, think about it, etc.If TADC told you everything, you'd say it's going against show don't tell.I will say... I think Caine coming back makes sense because Caine being deleted was *TOO* convenient and files are not entirely deleted off your computer when you can do a system recovery.See what I did? I made a guess on what might've happened based off of my experience to fill in "plot holes"
>>154036851>Even in the first episode, there was a sense of inescapable dread, That's the I have no mouth inspiration, the feeling that nothing is gonna change and you're stuck here forever.maybe there was an attempt at this but it didn't really hit home with the show's extremely frantic pacing and the need to undermine every serious moment with an unfunny joke. TADC's adventures feel pointless, not hopeless. In IHNMAIMS the characters want to find a source of food so they can eat and stave off hunger for a bit. In TADC none of the characters can get hungry or die unless they abstract. There's just no reason to watch the show and the characters have no real goals. >I'm not trying to make a grand statement that TADC is as relevent and poignant and as good as I have no mouthIt's an edgy short story where a guy kills his friends and then tries to kill himself to escape torment, it's not that deep.
need to rape him
>>154037039>The adventures are pointless not hopelessUh... Isn't doing pointless things hopeless? Because you are being forced to do pointless things?And no real goals? There's an episode where they talk about what they used to do before being captured where they did have goals before.>it's that deepI was under the impression you guys liked old stuff because it's deep unlike modern stuff which is Jewish or some shit, my bad
>>154037075It's NOT that deep ahem
>>154036159most general threads are just pure autism containment zones.
>>154036628>cishet-friendlyAbstract yourself.
>>154033779>I don't like how things are made with the intention of making people like it.
>>154037075>Uh... Isn't doing pointless things hopeless? Because you are being forced to do pointless things?From the perspective of the characters it is hopeless but from the perspective of the audience it isn't, it's boring. >And no real goals? There's an episode where they talk about what they used to do before being captured where they did have goals before.Well written characters should have goals during the story, not before it took place. >I was under the impression you guys liked old stuff because it's deep unlike modern stuff which is Jewish or some shit, my badI love old science fiction but things just get absurd when a single story from the 1960s gets taken completely out of context. Like yeah IHNMAIMS is good but so are Asimov's Multivac stories and Clarke's 2001 a Space Odyssey. And it certainly didn't create the "five characters in search of an exit" trope that's been used thousands of times in horror and mystery stories. It's just a single story.
>>154037148Every time I see a piece of art made with the intention of being liked, it's always trying so hard to make me like it and become an internet meme. It's so try hard and dishonest. I just wanna tell stories of characters existing and have people decide if they are likable or not because I want the audience to wanna engage with my art by projecting onto it.>>154037159>From the perspective of the characters it is hopeless but from the perspective of the audience it isn't, it's boring.I see characters as people. Not in a delusion sort of sense but as a "This is a story about people" sort of way. I don't like this separation between audience and character, it makes me feel I shouldn't care about characters cause they're not people, they are plot devices.>Well written characters should have goals during the story, not before it took place.Their goal is to escape the circus and live their lives again but also to figure out what they forgot since they can't remember everything. That's fucking gay, the only way to make a good story is to have a story where the characters are not trapped, feels so limiting.Also I thought I have no mouth was especially talked about now since corporations have been trying to invent things that scifi novels have talked about as world ending things. Big tech wanting to create dystopian novels not because they want to but because they feel they have the power to control it, much like AM
>>154037035Nigger, by no explaination I mean there's literally not even an indication or ability to even infer what happened. Just like pretty much everything in this show, it occurs with no build up and just.. happens.You're a fucking retard if you think "just guess what happened" is good storytelling. Nobody's asking for the characters to speak out loud and explain how, for example, Caine just comes back again. But the show lazily doesn't bother to show shit.
It's fun to see former Circus Shit fans realize in real time that they've been suckers, and it'll be even more fun after the official release.Screenshot this, and remember: his name is Cooper Goodwin, and he's a castration cultist.
>>154037248>I don't like this separation between audience and character, it makes me feel I shouldn't care about characters cause they're not people, they are plot devices.It's just basic storytelling. I as the audience am not required to care about your characters or find them interesting if they don't have clear goals. People read Conan or John Carter so they can see him save the princess. People read Zorro or Batman so they can see him stop the bad guy. If you watch TADC you get characters randomly bumbling around and jokes that don't land.
