>Most "popular" new marvel hero> Has done nothing in the last few years and all her runs are short and sell poorlySo are we just gonna get the same old guys forever, while they keep trying to shoe in retarded brown women in that nobody likes.Is it even possible for marvel or dc to create new iconic characters or is that just gonna all be external
>>154040819Her first series was lightning in a bottle. When that ended, so did her appeal. She's still known enough and gets by on decent comics but nothing will help her regain what she had at the start. Also I started losing IQ points the more I read your post so I'll ignore the second half and address the actual issue with the character.
>>154040819Ms.Marvel was never POPULAR popularShe was heavily pushed from to down as a Kamalla Harris propoganda piece and horribly designed by women who never really liked comics for a group who didn't care about comics and never will. She got her moment in the sun. But marvel no longer has a thriving...."teen" and young adult hero/heroine population in a real way anymore. It's all grown adults acting like children and living out their midlife crisis through comic book characters while not actually creating a story or stories worth a fuck like Frank Miller with The Dark Knight Returns.Anyway, she's done. She's over. She's a D list character who should be trotted out in tween girl aimed YA books and make googoo eyes at Miles. Also her giant fist gimmick is goddamned stupid.
>>154041243THIS, there are some great videos on it like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heNWJEA-M80 that go over itOnly saving grace for her was the giantess stuff, but shes also underage, so that sucks
>>154041243she isn't D-List objectively speaking though even if you personally dislike her.
>>154041243>Also her giant fist gimmick is goddamned stupid.BIG HANDS! Look out, she's got BIG HANDS!
Part of it is the lack of creativity with her powerset
>>154041519Starts off as basically teenage female Plastic Man
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>>154041456A = well known, know not just their name and powers but origin and even some enemies can sell comics, non-comic media on name alone and you see them on merchB = you know their look name and might have some merch but know nothing else about themC = Looks familiar name escapes you but you know them by a nickname or by association. You sort of know a few random facts about themD = It's a comic character and kind of recognize it but is not very important. She's D list bordering on C.
>>154041657B-Lister seems more fitting considering that she's playable across multiple games, has appeared in shows and generally is recognisable with solo runs to her name even if I can't personally say their quality or notable things besides her most prominent enemy being a clone of Thomas Edison in a cockatiel body and that she faced Shocker who is invincible in New Jersey.
>>154041243The idea of Kamala Khan being propaganda for Kamala Harris is some real /pol/tard mental illness.
>>154040819>>154041243The election Issue did really destroy her sales.
>>154040819Her time is done. Kamala's just cannon-fodder for the X-Men now.>>154041519>>154041564And then GWW nerfs her powers hard because "they don't suit her", even though it was her idea in the first place.
>>154040819>while they keep trying to shoe in retarded brown women in that nobody likes. Half a million paperbacks with 10 different volume paperbacks before appearing in a movie also Kamala is not mentally handicapping anyway whatsoever let alone an outdated diagnosis also sees from the Middle East and those people get either registered as Asians or white .Half a million paperbacks with 10 different volume paperbacks before appearing in a movie also Kamala is not mentally handicapping anyway whatsoever let alone an outdated diagnosis also sees from the Middle East and those people get either registered as Asians or white .
Powered by AI And Kamala slash Ms Marvel popular enough to get into or professional porn parody comic people comics
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>>154044217Nobody cares anymore. She failed.
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>>154041243I agree that Kamala is full on industry plant shilling but Harrass propaganda? They were forcing Kamala long before that bitch was even a blip on the political spectrum.
>>154040819Her first series did well but everything after bombed. Hell despite being called the most popular Inhuman she frequently sold worse than them.
She reminds me a lot of Gwenpoole: one really good series and then nothing but ass
>>154043849Wilson always claimed that the book was expected to end in six issues. Coincidentally on the 7th issue Kamala goes to attilan and we find out about the nerf. I don't think GWW knew how to handle plastic man tier powers in the low stakes setting she established. She probably expected kamala to end up as Carol's side kick or something after it ended. She went from wanting a good guy shapeshifter to nah kamala wouldn't do that.
She was in decline well before they shoved her into the X-Ghetto, this just sealed it, so, sorry, she's either going to end up mutant slaughterfodder in the next massacre or doomed to enter complete irrelevancy, along with the other Make-A-Mutant characters they've introduced over the decades and shoved into the cellar to bring out every Christmas just to remind people that they exist.>>154044485>Hell despite being called the most popular Inhuman she frequently sold worse than them.I think it's because people confuse most pushed Inhuman as the most popular, I wouldn't be surprised if the Black Bolt and Karnak minis that came out did better than contemporary Kamala comics.
>>154041243t. Less /pol/ schizoid
>>154041657This is the worst ranking system that I ever came across.
>>154044851People don't actually follow sales and just assume that since she has been dropped into a ditch like the rest of the 10s teen characters she must be doing well. Also after the marvels it seems her importance in the MCU has been cut severely. Champions went from a movie to a show and there hasn't been word of that in a year. Probably will lean into fan favorite mutants instead of slapping her on the X-men
>>154040819Secret Wars “killing” her & the marvel universe and relaunching her book hurt her momentum. Normalfags don’t want to deal with constant relaunches in their book. And some people thought Secret Wars was the end of Kamala and the MU (especially since it was marketed as “the end”).Then Bendis came along with Civil War 2 and killed any interest left.
Reminder that she had a whole member series of retconning her into famous X-men stories. What do you mean you don't like her?
>>154041243>Ms.Marvel was never POPULARretarded newfag when she first came out /co/ loved her
>>154046107>And some people thought Secret Wars was the end of Kamala and the MU (especially since it was marketed as “the end”).It pretty much WAS the end for Kamala.
>>154040819you should know by now the people who took over comics and gaming hate anything normal. white heroes eww ick whites, white male heroes dohho cuck him up and make him a bad person somehow, non whites pushed and forced for the non white reading base which is super massively low, push away and piss on the fanbase (mostly) whites how males are bad and evil and sexist and wrong but themyscira and its male sexism and lasso of fuck consent and rape aok. bonus the males stand with man hate diana and her rape content and do nothign about it but stay silent. oh ho "heroes". everything wrote in comics and done now to make sure everything that was bad and horrid is now more so and also now forcing things in like penis on penis compaitibility pages over things only the wierdo 2% want to force as if they are majority while they force cuck into everything and rape normality and relationships to force more weird degen. supergirl reduced to slut and whore and not wholesome with the others and pissing on all of it cuz reasons.,gee I wonder why they keep trying to force a black person nobody wants. did we not just finally get rid of that spiderman self insert non-white who overtook peter's life and was given a white woman MJ and other cuck stuff? yup. good riddence to the forced guy and the people spamming him on this board all hue hue hue i am le witty troll from /b/. I blame the company and fans who eat this slop up while bitching they hate it and buy it anyways.tl;dr the anti normal's took over and force ruin everything and purposely force things they know we hate cuz they love hating normal and being "not normal" and cliche doing it. short version good lost evil won and it's also super gay and hates straights and whites.
>>154041243Anon... Your brain has been fried by nonstop culture war baiting.
>>154040819Fuck you. I like Kamala. Her run has been great, but Marvel ruined her by continuously rushing her into events & other shit rather than just build her up as a street hero first before pushing her into other things. Kamala had potential had they just slowed down & just build her & her cast up first>>154041243>She was heavily pushed from to down as a Kamalla Harris propoganda pieceDude, your brain is just full of mush if you think a comic book character, who happens to be South Asian Pakistani, to someone like Kamala Harris, who happens to be a Black Woman. & Kamala's first appearance was in 2014. Th Culture War nonsense has truly rotten your brain. Go back to /pol/ guy
>>154046107>>154047687That's pretty much itFirst series was popular enough that the first issue went into multiple printings (Remember, Ike cuts costs a lot, so if there wasn't demand they wouldn't have done seven printings, even if you account for DEI money or whatever thing you believe) and the first TPB sold well for Marvel year after year without needing an MCU project to boost it (this is signifcant because Marvel quickly lets its TPBs go out of print fast).But then they did the relaunch which was their first mistake, and like >>154046107 pointed out the new audience saw it as a jumping off point. This was something a lot of retailers reported onThen Civil War 2 really screwed things up royallyArguably, maybe the 2016 election might've affected thingsThen the character got put in bad projects like that Avengers game and The Marvels
>>154044851You people should realize they made her a mutant so she can further infest everything she hasn't yet touched both in comics and in the upcoming movies. Another decade and she'll be 1/3 spider powers. Ghetto my ass, she's going to be front in center and I don't want this pest in my books.
>>154046245Holy shit her hands are large and she's pointing
>>154040819Yes, that is how industry plants work, anon.
Was she actually popular, or did her book just sell to a bunch of childless performatives who over ordered the book for their libraries?
I don't need her to be some big character (on the contrary she works much better as a supporting characrer) but I hope some writer rescues her from X-Men hell some day. Although her & Emma Frost relationship is nice, it basically should be what she has with Medusa anyway.I reckon she will eventually just quietly go back to being some solo hero in New Jersey who pops up from time to time, dunno when that will be though. I think Marvel Tokon was plotted out before she became a mutant or something, it's cool seeing something reminiscent of her older version again.
>>154043849More like shape changing invites twisted perverts. There's also the thing where a STRAIGHT teen girl who wants to fit in will be in constant flux because of her body image issues.She knows Chad likes big tits, she's gonna have big tits, she knows Jamal likes a fat ass, she's going to mimic having Carol Danvers world famous ass.I mean, she's an indian teen girl in america. She's going to try to hook up with white guys and get fucked by black guys. That's just how it is. It's going to be all about her changing her body randomly in a teen aimed book.So she nipped that in the bud before it went too far.
>>154040865She wasn't even the best character in her own series. Zoe is vastly better as an actual character and would have made for a far more interesting hero as she has an actual character trait (acting as an alpha bitch to mask the fact that she's insecure over being a dyke in love with the pretty muslim girl) that provides an actual story for growth that would parallel her attempts at growing as a hero. Kamala's character is just a fangirl who everyone likes and doesn't really have to struggle for much of anything.And nothing beyond he first volume of her original ongoing sold. In fact you have ample proof that putting her in something with a large amount of focus is an active dimes repellant. Her show bombed, the Avengers game where she's the protagonist bombed, The Marvels bombed, all of her comics have bombed. Anything with her in a central role flops. Nobody likes her.
>>154044534Unbelievable Gwenpool was infinitely better than Kamala's first series because Hastings is an infinitely better writer than Wilson.
>>154040819> Is it even possible for marvel or dc to create new iconic charactersNot anymore because the chief concern will always be ticking boxes. It's never a guy who relates with and understands the audience just sitting down and drawing something cool anymore. It's consultants and focus groups deciding whether the ALL NEW hero should be a nog, or a faggot nog.
Just appeal to expansion/inflationfags and the character will at least get an organic following for once.
>>154040819After a long day of seeing muslims outside in a country that has a history of being brutalized by them, I like to relax reading comics about a muslim. With an ugly outfit. And lame powers. And creepy hand fetish fanservice.
I have an idea for a book that would save the character, featuring a taboo physical relationship between Ms. Marvel and Captain Marvel, but naturally marvel hates money and won't pull the trigger on it
>>154052254Vol 1 of Ms Marvel still sold so well in the bookstore market that it outperformed most every TPB Marvel released each year, all the way to 2019. If the sales were only from childless performatives, they would've seen consistently higher sales on all the other TPBs with the other non-Miles legacy characters. They didn't. It's why Marvel wanted to push her in everything (she was also a character that didn't have her movie rights tangled up with Sony or Fox at the time) but somehow they consistently chose the wrong ways to go about it that made it offputting for everyone else.The story that image that >>154040819 posted, it was obvious Marvel was sounding like they were expecting blowback from fans and Comicsgate people so they could play the easy defense, but it turned out the longtime comics fans called them out on obvious Synergy setup, Spider-Man fans told them to go fuck off, the Comicsgate people were laughing their asses off, and it was the Ms Marvel fans, the ones that Marvel really wanted to replace the other fans mentioned, that got violently enraged.
>>154053905Anon, how many of those books actually made it into the hands of children/teens/young adults/collectors?I'm guess not many.It sold on novelty and was pushed heavily by the woman who demanded her creation. But the audience who supposedly bought her were more then okay with having a one off series/book of this character and apparently aren't interested in her further adventures.I mean, what else is there too her? Her costume is bad, her powers stupid, and you can't sexualize her because teen and religious muslim.Even though hot tight indian girls are in right now and most guys who see the beyond rare fuckable one are definitely curious. What's the hook?It's not her life or powers or associations with other heroes. Because they are all 100% inorganic and forced and she can't be a person that has a personality of any kind. She's a representative of people and a political token of a few powerful women.
>>154040819And look who's consoling MJPaul
>>154054020>Anon, how many of those books actually made it into the hands of children/teens/young adults/collectors?The Bookscan chart covers bookstore (or almost anything that isn't a comic shop, but sells books) sales to customers. Don't confuse this for the Diamond charts on Comichron. Bookscan doesn't record "orders made by a book fair" they record sales from the book fair or bookstore or whatever made to a customer. If Ms Marvel never charted after the first year the TPB was released then I'd agree with you. But somehow it kept charting for a while before COVID hit.
>>154041243Ms. Marvel was pushed so ridiculously hard because she was a DEI character who initially had genuine popularity, unfortunately said push and using her as a mouthpiece destroyed her character and destroyed her image so hard that historical revisionism that nobody ever liked her has set in
>>154054193The push came before her apparent popularity anon. Not after.You can't claim historical revisionism to someone who was there as it happened.Does anyone where her merch? Have her toys?Cosplay as her?
>>154054578>to someone who was there as it happened.I was there before the push retard I was there when she first came out, you are a tourist
>>154054673Ah, you're retarded.I've made a mistake arguing with you.
>>154040865There's no way that first series is any good.
>>154041243>Kamalla Harris propoganda pieceNigga she was around since 2012. The average person didn't know Kamala Harris in 2012
>>154057784Yes, you stupid cunt.That's my fucking point. What are you confused about?
>>154057822>That's my fucking point.you don't have a fucking point you're just grasping at straws, you're clearly some election tourist
>>154040819I hate this guys art style. Everything is boxes and cubes with line shading.It looks terrible.
>>154058175Why would Kamala Harris's cousin create a hot brown girl "litterally me" edition named Kamala? Why push her through and into EVERYTHING even when she was very unpopular and had no real potential to sell to the normie fans without lots of changes? ??????????????????????????No, you're right. I'm just grasphing at straws.
>>154058369>Why would Kamala Harris's cousinwhere the fuck are you getting this bullshit from
> you hate kamala because she was being pushed with le first female muslim meme> i hate kamala because dust was the real first female muslim marvel hero and is far more interesting as a conceptwe are not the same
>>154040819Why are the Fantastic Four there?
>>154058922They desperately need to fake her importance to the entire marvel universe.It's part of the con. Like how the last marvel zombies cartoon was really a kamala kahn movie.
The saddest part about the whole Kamala thing was the harder they tried to make her the most important person ever it only backfired. As a new young teen super hero it was fine. But suddenly she needed to be the most A list to ever list.
>>154057665For an ongoing for a new character it was very popular.
>>154060189Marvel fucks up everything they do that has any initial popularity or decent buzz around it, nothing special about Ms Marvel's case in that regard technically>>154058906Could've been interesting (her entire concept and background is the most stereotypical thing ever though which is amusing but maybe holds her usage back further) but she's another of many relatively newer X-Men that fall by the wayside.
>>154052746>I think Marvel Tokon was plotted out before she became a mutant or something, it's cool seeing something reminiscent of her older version again.
>>154052865This is one of the current problems in comics: teenagers don't act like teenagers; they all seem chemically castrated.
She's inspired by the wrong Captain Marvel, she was never gonna succeed as a character Her getting mixed up in Inhumans drama was a cool potential angle but then Marvel fucked up the Inhumans beyond repair too
I hate her being sucked into X-Men nonsense as a general concept but her being Cyclops' best friend for a bit in Champions was probably the most I've liked her character. Also Emma being so weirdly motherly to her is kind of hot I suppose.
>>154060294And then it plummeted off a cliff once the initial novelty ended.
She is really in a bad spot right now writingwise>sells to badly to even get minis solos>Kamalafags want her supporting cast, and setting but she is locked in team books which usually cut that shit out because the team IS the supporting cast>her setting is not where any of the mutants hang out>her setting is too low stakes and her community liking her goes completely against the endless persecution narrative every mutant character is forced to write around>X-fags hate her being push to front of the team books she is in and think she is being given way to much importancewhich in all honesty between the semi retconning her into every important X-event and X-force having her become president and end Mutant racism in the future somehow. Yeah that is a valid complaint. You can't really rectify this problems without changing either how the X-books are written and pulling her back out of the X-nexus. All the people that claimed she "makes more sense as a mutant" really don't seem to understand what made her or how the X-writers treat characters. There is a reason 99% of them can't hold down a solo despite being the most popular marvel franchise.
>>154062765Just face it: Marvel sent Kamala to the X-Men to die, likely literally.
>>154062765Kamala is with the Xmen and was poochied into the Xuniverse becasue she can't sell a comic and the MCU demanded it.She can't even hold her own a teen book full of D listers and sidekicks let alone her own book.Remember her own book? The one that bombed after her first run?
She keeps getting absolutely screwed in what would be likely first exposure instances for audiences.
>>154062765The fact that we know her getting rectonned into being a mutant was a feige order and not just the comic side trying capitalize on the MCU like with carol getting retconned into a kree hybrid makes me think the way she is written is the same. They want people to think she is a big deal in the X-universe, probably because she was going to big in the MCU x-men.
I liked the character beforeIt's time to shelve her, Marvel doesn't know what to do with herNothing wrong with that, she was never anything more than a c-lister with a niche fanbase as it is
>>154041910Not really, Pyro and Jubilee fit thos same metric and most can barely recognize either in a X-Men line up. Plus she's mostly a poochie for Emma Frost to whitewash herself with between being Sana Amanat's self-insert wankfest now. That's D-Lister like Bendis self-inserting as Kong to get his kielbasa into Kitty's pussy.
>>154044351>>154044335>>154044319 How can no one have commented on this yet?
>>154052865>Oh no kids are horny>When Kamala herself makes shitty erotic fanfiction in universe to be lol quirky>Jumpin' Jihadis she's a Haram Hijabi!Even her introduction had her shapeshift into old sexpot Carol not nuCarol Dykers. And even modern writers treating Kamala as sex negative in X-Men get an in-universe eyeroll because of how /co/ntrarianly performative it is.
