With an official animated version by Jerry Bruckheimer coming out in the next few years, and many fan animatics out of it, what's our opinion of EPIC: The Musical?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lun_OMdNi4QNeal has the best animatics, followed by Gigi
>>154041338Tfw Circe hates men but is super hot...
Why does Ody's crew keep pushing him to become a monster, and then get upset when he does and wins? Are they stupid?
>>154041338It has a very adult Disney feel to it
>>154041713>Are they stupid?Yes, nigga, yes. They are idiots. They don't have to make the choices that Ody makes, they just act like spoiled little shits and get mad whenever he does something that won't immediately benefit all of them. He sacrifices six random men to Scylla, and they immediately stage a fucking mutiny despite his method of choosing was the fairest possible (since straight up telling them six men would die would guarantee infighting). The only real mistake Ody made was boasting to Polyphemus, which was an incredibly idiotic thing to do, but considering he had no way of knowing that the cyclops was related to Poseidon it hardly seems fair to blame Odysseus for the ensuing carnage.
So is the moral of the story to not have mercy and kill?
>>154041338It would be hilarious if all the animatics got copyright strikes when the movie becomes an actual thing, wouldn’t surprise me if their legal team also tried to go after any other odyssey adaptation on the internet just because they could
>>154043568Puerto Rico is a very brutal place anon
>>154043568I can imagine critics calling epic a pro trump movie because trump himself would unironically say Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves
>>154043659Doesn't Disney own Hamilton? And that has a ton of storyboards. I would imagine whatever company gets the rights would be smart enough to avoid an Undertale-style copyright controversyBut they're companies so you never know. A fucking lego company destroyed their entire image for 200k.
>>154043568The moral of the story is "do what you have to for love".
>Delays your voyage by 10 yearsWhy did they do it?
>>154043783Greek gods are notorious asshole pranksters.And hey, technically they weren't lying - a bag of wind could be considered a treasure. Good thing Eurylochus was around to check!
>>154041338This isn't even a musical, it's a concept album. For it to be a musical it has to be a stage play with an actual script, not just music
>>154043989That’s the title
>>154044025Who cares what the title is? A "musical" is a stage play that has musical NUMBERS in between the spoken sections. Hell, this is closer to the opera of old, are we calling it an opera? Closer to Wagner than Broadway
>>154044047It’s not a musical, it’s a concept album titled epic the musical
>>154041338https://youtu.be/SK0WUaM0WvY?t=117>When you make the best Persuade roll of your life but the DM just says fuck you and kills your character
>>154043989>>154044047>>154044228Let me guess: you say "Frankenstein is the scientist, not the monster", don't you?
>>154044234God fucking damn do I love Odysseus (the song, the character is great too). That is how a fucking man handles business in his house - someone trashes your home and threatens to rape your wife and kill your son? You don't fucking hold back, you don't talk it out, you fucking kill them and make them suffer.
https://youtu.be/kKgwQy30R-cYOU KILLED MY SHEEPMY FAAAAAAVORITE SHEEP
>>154041338HAHAHA
>>154046186Kino design for the cyclops, I thought this animator did a really good job with the traditional version as wellhttps://youtu.be/rML9fr5yyLc?t=43
>>154046186Who killed his sheep again?
>>154046445Nobody killed his sheep.
Just dont use the superhero designs for them please
Which goddess would you fug?
>>154046970What was Jorge thinking? You’re making a Greek mythology musical but giving it the aesthetics of something else? Props to him for not doing the white bearded geriatric bodybuilder Zeus design though
>>154046970I hope they keep redheaded Athena though, considering…
>>154043568It was trying to ape off of Attack On Titan’s “the world is cruel” thing, and it did it very badly
>>154047589hermaphroditus
>>154041338This feels like the Hamilton fandom from back in the day.
>>154048404Did Hamilton fans go on to every single video about the actualAlexander Hamilton and post references in the comments? Because that fucking happens on every single video related to the odyssey
The number of black antagonists in this musical is surprisingly high, Is Jorge….you know….based?
>>154043007It’s like Prince of Egypt mixed with Moana
>>154048335>>154043783>10 years at least!
>>154048612Someone made Ares black which was a collar tugging moment for me
>>154051602Ares is voiced by a black guy and he appears negro in the livestream canon animatic so every animator is going to keep that since it’s unlikely those types would change that
>>154049415>Penelope with another man?!?!
>>154045665Both are Frankenstein because that's just his last name
>Relax Eurylochus, it’s just a word. Your people say it all the time
>>154052544Lol! I wonder if the Christopher Nolan version will have this moment.
>>154052494Wild to depict the violent god of war wielding a spear who fucks another woman outside of her marriage as black
>>154052994And he casted his dad as the cuck (Hephaestus)
>Self-insert yourself as the main character of a foundational cornerstone of western literature>Have your self-insert OC beat up one of the Olympic gods and make him beg for mercyUhmmm….based?
>>154053620Keep in mind Greek gods aren't omnipotent and even in old myths humans could wound and defeat them if they were really skilled. Maybe not kill but you could wound their pride
>>154053829Poseidon is a direct son of chronos though, alongside Zeus, which puts him on a completely different power level than the next generation of gods. Aphrodite and Ares don’t match up to them and the only reason Diomedes managed to hit them was because Athena was directly helping him (and the musical does not canonically confirm if Odysseus had any gods helping him). There were a few instances where Hercules fought them but that was fucking Hercules, he was the exception to every rule.
>>154052994They balance it out by making Aphrodite fucking hot
Holy. Fucking. Cringe.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqPgBwogG9Q
>>154054232In the myth, he prays to the gods. This fan animatic actually got one of the voice actors to add said prayer scene which works really well in showing how he could toe up with Poseidon.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2Zzs2Z9EUI>>154055173This is true also her Aphrodite design is fucking phenomenal and great to see animated. I prefer Gigi's Hera though.
>>154055618I'm scared to click this youtube link
THUNDER BRING HERTHROUGH THEWRINGER
>>154054232Isn't one of the main lore for Greek gods was that the reason we no longer see them is because Ares kick everyone ass and forced Zeus to seal the gods away from Earth?
>>154041338Liked it a lot. Cried like a bitch at the end. I think the repeating musical motiffs are a cool way to stablish themes and concepts. Like how Penelope's theme plays briefly when Ody is being seduced by circe. Likewise, i expected it to be pure tumblr estrogen stuff. But the middle act and end really proved my wrong. With all Ody had to sacrifice and how he had to get ruthless. Overall wonderful experience and i look forward to the professionally animated version, even if i'm really satisfied with the cut i saw.
It's impressive this didn't end with a "Penelope moved on/doesn't recognize Ody as her husband anymore/can't forgive him/etc" ending that had to have taken restraint
This or Hercules?
>>154058960It's kinda weird to see such a manly story be told through the lense of mostly tumblrinas
>>154058690what? No. Where did you hear this?
>>154060771Must be fake then. I saw it from a Youtube short. Really have to watch out for fakes.
>"Captain?">"I have to see her.">"But we'll die.">"I know."KINO
>>154041713The whole conflict between Odysseus and Eurylochus with the mutiny is even worse when you realize they aren’t just friends: Eurylochus was married to Ody’s sister, so him just giving up on going home is disrespecting his captains own sister too. Hard to feel bad for his line “But we’ll die.” When he brought it on himself with that shit.
>>154061344Also maybe he shouldn't of OPENED THE FUCKING BAG
>>154047589Gigi’s Circe is just insanely hot to me.
I recently read an old illustrated version of The Odyssey that tried to be accessible to young readers but still touch on a lot of it. Then I got into watching Epic animatics.I do like some of the story choices Epic makes converting The Odyssey into a musical, it does a pretty good job taking Odysseus’s war traumas and picking that as a major focus and motivator. But then there’s whole chapters that I had really liked in the written version that the musical just skips.In the first couple of sagas it leaves this impression that they’re gonna have a song focusing on all kinds of relatively minor scenes that a lot of abridgments and adaptations wouldn’t include, but that peters out by the last sagas. And it’s a little disappointing.
>>154060458Why not both?
>>154046842Well if nobody killed his sheep, he should quit whining.
>>154046186fr tho, my dad is in his sixties and still sometimes talks about his favorite sheep from his childhood. you don’t forget your favorite sheep.
>>154043783>winionsWish they weren’t called that.
>>154043783To teach him to keep his friends clise and his enemies closer.
>>154044228If I call a stage play a movie, does it magically become a movie?
>>154043783It's not that serious it was just a little prank I bet everyone thought it was funny>>154047589Female Hermes is really cute from this video, along with this voice that has that kinda-obnoxious cute girl vibe to ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azBWJaqSiiENot sure the Hermes laugh is worth it though
>>154061344Same with the rest of the crew. I adore the animatics that show the crew getting upset at Odysseus, like he's somehow in the wrong choosing himself over the assholes who mutinied against their captain and king, who's primary plan seemed to be "sail around aimlessly until we die since going home is impossible".
>women animators portray rapist character as dark-skinned, edgy and kinda sexy>chad fnaf animator turns them into a puppet and is somehow more intimating.why are foids like this?
>>154041338Do we know which animation? 2d I hopeI discovered Epic last year and it was fucking amazing. Still listen to it to this dayI do not like the race swaps tho. Doesn't make sense for blacks to be gods. I could see why the fandom is extremely racist to certain characters
>>154061344It's hard to say what's canon when Epic is already has its own lore
>>154048460YesAnd even non-Hamilton related videos tooMusical fans are just obnoxious
>>154048612There are Karens who came to this conclusion with typecasting and what not. Ares isn't a bad guy tho?
>>154062747Antinous, Calypso, Eurylochus, the list goes on
>>154058690Are you referring to the game, Stray Gods: the roleplaying musical on Steam?
>>154062772Honestly, of all of these, I think Ares is the only one that really seems out of place. (And another anon pointed out but it's not the best look to pick him of all gods to make black)
>>154062772If an autistic lonely black girl (goddess) decided she loved you and wanted to spend forever on a tropical paradise island with you, would you really turn her down?
>>154062772And the fanbase keeps saying Calypso is the worst villain of all, worse than white Zeus. But obviously, it's because she's black in the canon animations. It's an odd oxymoron. One side wants to be victims for blacks. The otherside outright hates blacks. You can't win
I'd say in the adaption, keep the original singers, but they all have to be white in the visuals. Make one of the antagonists blonde, and not just all have black hair
Calypso can be black but only because of Pirates of the Caribbean, the reference makes it OK
>>154062868No, that would just make the production endangered to get sued by Disney. I forgot about that
Alright, I have to say it.Would.
>>154062879Anon you can't copyright the race of a character>>154062895Good luck Anon, pick up the torch
>>154053829But did he have to make Poseidon say>I’ll suck your dick! You want me to eat shit? I’ll eat your shit!While he was getting stabbed repeatedly?
>>154062905It's Disney, they don't give a shit it's illegal to sue
>>154053620Didn't the ocean got fucked over by humans in The Boys?
>>154043129A lot of them had wives and kids too I assume, shame that's never once mentioned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoEjFMwsQ5MGet in the Water > Ruthless
Am I the only one who wants to fuck Telemachus?
>>154062816If I already had a wife I loved more than anything else, yeah, I would.
Suffering is so ridiculously catchy
>>154062895Fine, fine, I'll confess. Would.
>>154041338oh yeah, i forgot about thisi stopped listening when odyseus fights with circe and never finished itthanks dudei'll go finish it now
>>154061602In that event you would be well aware it is a play titled The Play: The Movie, no?
The creator of this (Jorge) gives off youth pastor vibes in all his TikTok videos. I don’t buy that someone who would make a musical where the mc commits infanticide in the second song could actually be this wholesome
>>154058690That was from the Wonder Woman movie, anon. If the Ares from actual Greek mythology tried to do that, Zeus would immediately zap his ass with lightning and Athena would finish him off (not in a sexual manner however as she is as virgin goddesss)
>>154064216Retard.
>>154059382The creator wouldn’t have done that to his Overpowered OC
>>154058690Greek mythology has no definitive “end” like how Norse mythology had Ragnarok. The closest thing to an end is the Trojan war since the idea is that all these heroes got killed off during the war and gods became less directly involved in mortals lives afterwards
>>154064276I don’t trust Puerto Ricans man
>>154062683Atleast they’re vaguely aware that Hamilton was a real historical figure. There’s a contingent of the epic fanbase that doesn’t know about Homer’s Odyssey and think the creator made up the entire premise
>>154052544Whatever Penelope does while Odysseus gone is none of his business.
>>154046970Ironic considering superheroes are inspired by greek gods and western mythos in general. You're basically mad at greek gods for looking like how greeks imagined greeks god to look like lmfao
>>154059382I remember during the lead-up to the Ithaca saga's release there was genuine concern the story would end that way. There were a lot of people arguing that the story would benefit from Penelope not taking Odysseus back, that the Odyssey was best served as a straight tragedy to emphasize the cost of Odysseus becoming a monster and that the cost of returning home was to lose everyone and everything. They also argued that Odysseus was probably going to accidentally kill Telemachus during his slaughter of the suitors, thus adding to his wife coming to hate him.I am very, very glad Jorge went with the straightforward happy ending. Foregoing another shitty subversion and instead ending the story with "I love you" was a genuine breath of fresh air.
>Penelope was the daughter of a Spartan king and a naiadSuddenly 108 dudes willing to wait years to try and marry her makes sense, they all want spartan muscle mommy.
>>154054232Yeah I didn’t really like that part of the musical. I have a hard time believing that a dude that spent some of his formative years in his father’s stomach would say uncle after getting stabbed for like two minutes by a guy that was already half dead.
>>154064216You don't have to be a pedophile to reuse elements of murder from the source material they are adapting
>>154066124It kind off make sense since the gods are basically children with no leash. They have never been told no before and believe no one stop them.
>>154066124I mean there's zero basis for it but I always liked to imagine that moment is when Hades decides to help. I hadn't watched any of the animatics for 600 Strike when I first listened to it so I wasn't aware of the whole "power of anime wind bag jetpack" thing, I thought the chorus was literally the souls of the 600 men coming to help Ody kick Poseidon's ass, empowered by Hades in retribution for the whole "I'll drown all of Ithaca" threat (and because helping a mortal beat the shit out of your sibling is funny).
>>154068885Yknow, until an official animation is completed, I think maybe I’ll adopt this headcanon.
>>154043704No, they only bought publishing rights to that specific recording
>>154065838https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHyxvEYKdsw&pp=ygUnZXBpYyB0aGUgbXVzaWNhbCB0aGUgY2hhbGxlbmdlIGFuaW1hdGlj&ra=m
>>154053620It’s honestly really fucking cringe. No offense but Jorge doesn’t seem like someone who could even pull a 120 pound bow, which would have been the standard back then.
I’m surprised we’re not getting an entire wave of ai generated animatics.
>>154058584Did Wringers as we know them in a modern sense exist in the Bronze Age? Would that figure of speech even make sense in that time?
>>154072394This is easily my favorite interpretation of Penelope. While almost all the animatics do well with her (outside that one animator who made Penelope fat with vitiligo for some unfathomable reason), having Penelope both show her age AND reflect her Spartan upbringing with defined musculature is perfect. She is visibly equal parts strong and graceful, and I can absolutely see why Odysseus would spend twenty years trying to get back to her.
I am here for Polites
>>154073447Glasses aren't historically accurate
>>154073478don't take away his glasses anon he can't see :(
>>154073478He canonically doesn’t wear glasses as none of the livestream animatics have him wearing any. Of course, the epic fan animators want any chance they can get to be inclusive so they draw them on (along with a headband for some reason)
What's the best villain song from this musical? I feel like it has a lot of contenders, which is a godsend since the modern musical era has had a severe lack of villain musicals. Look at the last one we got from Disney.
>>154073478While we’re on the subject, I’ve seen some animatics where the ship seems to have port holes, and that doesn’t feel right, but I don’t know enough about ancient ship building to be sure.
>>154062636>Depicts all the characters as puppets >except the gods who are depicted as human
>>154074011Alot of animators design it like it’s a pirate ship, as if it were the black pearl from potc or something, rather than a penteconter
>>154047589artemis
>>154073678There's not really a set canon here, but they didn't appear to be "inclusive". It's because a lot of designs were intended to match the voice actors.>>154074011Mycenaean ships were quite bare so no it's not accurate at all. They don't have a lower deck either
>>154048335>and it did it very badlyso did Attack on Titan, I can't imagine that Epic could have really done much worse
>>154073864If we're counting Odysseus as a "villain", then 'Odysseus' is hands down the best. If not, it's a tie between Scylla and Get In The Water.
>>154074090>penteconterThose weren't used for the Odyssey either
>>154074945They weren't used during the real world bronze age but Homer's audience would have imagined Odysseus's ship to be something closer resembling something in their time.This vase painting of Odysseus on his ship resembles something closer to a penteconter or a triremes, neither of which existed in the bronze age.
>>154073864I'm Not Sorry For Loving You if we're including Calypso just because it triggered a bunch of retards and made them cryhttps://youtu.be/d436KMn0Phw?t=618https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z38SJJ5avck
>>154062879Calypso was black in the 1997 tv movie
>>154075393Do people really hate Calypso that much? I thought she was just kind of a tragic character who did something kind of bad because autism.
>>154075393It still astounds me how many people took Ody saying "I love you" to Calypso in that song at face value. Like holy fuck, she was getting angrier and angrier by the second, which in Odysseus' experience usually leads to fucking tragedies, so his response was less a declaration of love than a panicked attempt to calm her down so she didn't fucking kill him.
>>154075393Do tumblr listeners really? I'd thought they'd love Calypso
>>154075440Never heard of that cartoon
>>154072699Lmao, it would get instantly cancelled by the entire community and blacklisted
>>154072887No they didn't have them, but the song doesn't involve a literal wringer. We can assume that in ancient greek Zeus would be using a different turn of phrase that expresses the same idea.
>>154052544Fake and gay she would never
>>154075210more animatics need to draw them naked
You think when EPIC comes out as an animated movie it'll be considered one of the best movies of the year? I hope Hazbin Hotel and EPIC lead to changing public opinion that animation is for kids and leads to an era of edgy adult Disney-like movies maybe a movie on the bible like Prince of Egypt.
>>154075210How were they even able to imagine the entire story without movies, tv shows, other visual media etc... to reference off of in their imagination. Like, it boggles my mind.
>>154079388Either that or Mycenaean/Minoan attire, they're the only based options
>>154079564It would probably be easy to imagine some hairy bearded dude sailing around the Mediterranean sea since they'd have alot of visual reference for that. But I'm genuinely curious as to what the cyclops, Sirens and Scylla would have looked like in their mind's eye and if it would come close to resembling hollywood cg in any way.
>>154079388Aniflamma has a surprising amount of female nudity in her animatics which is remarkable considering the kind of fanbase Epic cultivated. The zoomies even tried to cancel her over drawing penelope naked (I guess they've never seen greek statues before)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3OS3QCfq30https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEG4Zd87r5Ahttps://youtu.be/r8zSNdgCJhU?t=128
>>154079610yeah well the Epic fandom is retarded and full of stupid children which is a shame. I guess /co/ will be the only place I can have an actual discussion about it when the rare Epic thread appears.
>>154079638I'm planning on derailing nolan odyssey /tv/ threads when the movie comes out with Epic references in order to steer the conversation towards it.There's also this "odyssey inspired" (yeah right, Epic totally didn't influence this or anything) game coming out, which would you could make a couple /v/ threads about I guess, or just make more threads about greek mythology games in general and use it as a platform to discuss Epic.https://store.steampowered.com/app/4198670/Odyssey__Echoes_of_Ithaca/
>>154058960SEX with HAGnelope
>>154061401She would 100% iron brand your dick off and use you as a footstool for her lesbian nymph harem, but it'd be worth it.
>>154061620Lesbian Milky Hermes is so plappable
>>154062636I'm pretty sure some of the fics with that one rapist suitor and Penelope were written by horny women wanting to ntr Ody
favorite cut song? For me it's Ismarus or Cope With Thathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S89aftuzFJQ
>>154080484Unless your name is Odysseus, son of Laertes, I don't recommend it.
>"Would You Fall in Love with Me Again" plays>Not crying yet>Triumphant reprise of "Just a Man" kicks in as Penelope and Odysseus embraceFUCK>>154079542Biggest issue is trying to trim the fat, I don't know how they're going to do that. The longest animated musical ever is only 1 hour 20 minute, and this is a 2 hour 20 minute production. Sure there are superfluous songs but enough to trim it to 80 minutes? It'd be rough.
>>154081474In non-homeric tradition, Odysseus is actually the son of Sisyphusyeah, that nigga
>>154081592>non-homeric traditionConsidering non-Homeric traditions paint Penelope like a whore who ends up marrying Odysseus and Calypso's bastard child, I tend to not pay much attention to it.
>>154081482might end up as a two-parter
>>154082163They would've announced it like that, wouldn't they?
>>154041338Where's kratos
>>154084786Was kratros made up?
>>154081482A series or stage play would have been a good option
>>154086392No. He's even in the play Prometheus Bound by Aeschylus. His name means 'strength' and he's one of Zeus' enforcers alongside his sister Bia ('force').
>>154075393No one tell them he fucked both Calypso and Circe in the original.
>>154079564>>154079591Cyclops was probably inspired by finding the fossils of prehistoric animals. The supposed remains of Ceto the sea monster that Perseus slayed were apparently discovered and kept on display, almost certainly some dinosaur fossil. A lot of their monsters were combinations of existing creatures they were familiar with and could imagine. Centaurs were probably inspired by horse-mounted steppe warrios. They did also have visual depictions with sculpture, mosaic and vase paintings.
>>154079591>giant guy with one eye>large birds but woman headsDoesn't take that much imagination. Skylla yeah, can't imagine.
>yfw >"Waiting...
>>154041338feels weird to see a muscial for a story I actually remember and enjoy quite well. Odysseus finally arriving back and saving his family from the suitors was always my favorite part.
>>154086792Typhon had the most metal description, makes you wonder if the greeks could even comprehend what that would look like
>>154086792I wonder if the poets were inspired by visions they had via dreams. I certainly would not come up with a design like that.
>>154041338I like how a lot of the dangers odysseus and his crew meet (lotus food, circe, sirens) are all about vapid pleasures halting your progression and achieving your actual goals. A tale as old as time
>>154075393Calypso is one of the cutest chicks in greek mythologie, like she feels designed to be pitied
>>154052544>108
>>154048460Yes, I was there you couldn't escape it
How many of you guys have read the actual odyssey, or at least some form of it? It's just kinda funny to me how this is probably a lot of young peoples introduction to the EPIC
>>154087762people's*
>>154087762For most young people their introduction to the Odyssey was the SpongeBob movie
>>154086895This guy slaps your wife's ass. Your response?
