>super genius>has never heard of the mouse utopia experiment.
>>154084721>has never heard of brain control devices to guarantee absolute order
>>154084721>Jaller Inika with a stupid manbun
>>154084721>Midwit>Doesn't understand human behavior, never actually thought about or read up on the experiment, or scaleIf anything it shows why people from cities and the ridiculously wealthy are all fucked up.
>>154084721>has never heard of the mouse utopia experiment.You're thinking of that place in Orlando.
>super genius>has never heard of some midwit bullshit parroted by redditors and doomfaggotsYea that tracks
>>154084733That shit is gay, not because its immoral, but because its pointless. What the fuck would be the point of creating an absolutely ordered society if there's no one really to experience it?
>>154084808>>154084933is midwit just a buzzword for person i don't like now
>>154085466No, midwit is apt in this instance. You know of it, but not enough and haven't thought about it enough to fully understand it or apply it when it's needed. The entire net is filled with midwits and it works better then constantly screaming DUNNING KUERINGER EFFECT every five minutes. As if some tards in lab coats slapping their name on a phenomenon that even children from thousands of years ago could recognize makes it NOW A REAL THING. Oh and please, don't fucktard on about how you're so much better because I spelled their names wrong. I don't care and it makes you look like a pedantic dumbass.
>>154085445This. He might as well just go somewhere else and make an Empire of obedient Robots, which he could probably do if he wanted to.
>>154085466I think that when we’re describing a supposed genius character its OK to use the word midwit. Unless you feel personally attacked for some reason…?
>>154085531I didn't read any of that. Cry harder.
>>154085531>No, midwit is apt in this instance.No, midwit is a non word spit out being morons.
>>154084721the mouse utopia experiment failed because it was meant to fail. the "scientists" later admitted they changed many factors in the living conditions of the mice like temperature and sound, which made the mice stressful and change their behavior, the experiment was faulty from the beginning because they wanted to make a point, remember this experiment was made during the soviet era and this experiment was made public and followed by many papers around the country, which is extremely suspicious for an unfinished experiment of this nature. tldr it was propaganda
I always wondered why Kirkman didn't have Robot go down the path to transhumanism. He only has his body and killed his original self to be live a normal life and be with monstergirl.So why not have him reject his humanity and fully become a transhuman monster?Give himself insane powers and a terrible form But maybe that's part of what makes him...him? It's like the Luthor question. Why wouldn't luthor give himself powers other then corporate mandated branding and story telling reasons?And if there is a "humanity first" reason then the question asked can never be really answered because for that character to define what is human is to dehumanize others and draw a line in a sand that can'tbe crossed without breaking everything else.>>154085887Yeah. People having a happy content life where they need for nothing is bad. Capitalism and slavery to an elite class is good. Even much of history and the animal kingdom is framed this way. One ruling class, one great mind, one amazing being...etc etc. The people who built those societies, the rules, worship, laws, and portions that helped shape them are ignored completely.
>>154084721Part of being super-intelligent is recognizing how much work and literature in the sciences throughout the past couple centuries has been complete crackpot nonsense written by insane/stupid people.
>>154084721Calhoun's experiment is deeply flawed. It started with a fairly small population of mice, all of which would be closely related after a few generations. The habitat also had nothing for them to do other than eat, sleep and fuck, where even something as basic as wheels for them to run on would have provided them with something to do to keep active. At the peak of the population there barely seemed to be room to move, let alone get any kind of exercise because that 9 foot box didn't exactly get any bigger with population.And no, mice in a small box isn't good enough to parallel humanity in the entire universe.
>>154085821Midwit just refers to people in the middle intelligence range, usually those who want to be seen as smarter than they are. I get the concept and so do most other people. Why don't you?
>>154084721There is no intelligent characters in Invincible. If they seem smart, it's only because you didn't gave them enough time for the writer to turn them into retards.
>>154086269Yes, the famous anti-Communist bastion of the university system.
>>154086269the only system that has ever worked, the system that eradicated slavery, the system that eradicated monarchy, the system that provided for everyone's needs including needs they didn't even realize they had until the new product came out that stops you having to spend 29 hours a day cleaning just to stay filthy, is free-market capitalism. Just as sure as the only social system that has ever worked is the family unit.Authoritarian governments have been attacking it (and the other thing, really) since the day it was born. Usually when they speak of 'rich people' and 'bankers' they really mean someone else, but are too chicken to say it.
>>154084721Once again proof that a character can only be as intelligent as the writter in charge.
>>154088943You've never once in your entire life not ever lived in a truly free market. Right now, we have a government that is more openly tied to the free market and capitalism that I can recal. And we are all every one of us fucked. You want to know the best way for a capitalist society to function when the workers have too much control and ability to say no? Get rid of them and replace them with litteral slaves who can't fight back. Guess what's happening now.No system on fucking earth not one is infalliable you half sane zealot. Only through the trust we have that the government will protect us from wealthy powerful people and the worst aspects of the so-called "free market" Do you have any clue as to how bad the stock market is right now? It's gone full mask off as completely divorced from reality organic tool. It's all fraud.We have companies valued in the trillions with nothing real tangible benefit or ability to make money backing that evaluation right now. Just "trust us bro" and that's it. Do you get it?
>>154089146>Right now, we have a government that is more openly tied to the free market and capitalism that I can recal.lollmao
>>154089174You having a giggle mate?
>>154087127>mice in a small box isn't good enough to parallel humanity in the entire universeEntire universe? Quit dreaming. We're stuck on one small planet. Maybe 2 or 3 at most.Even if the Cosmos was loaded with trillions of "friendly" worlds and we could reach them with no more effort than walking through a doorway, you'd be amazed how quickly we'd fill them up. Asimov did the arithmetic once. A few thousand years and EVERYTHING, including all the mass of all suns and planets, would be converted to human flesh. That's exponential growth.Speaking of Asimov, would you want to live cheek-to-jowl on a world-wide city like Trantor? NYC is bad enough.If the Mouse Utopia was so flawed, why doesn't someone re-run it, with wheels and television for entertainment?
>>154089619Where have you ever been on this planet that wasn't just a metropolis, a city, town, or at most a trail in a "forest" that's been walked hundreds of thousands if not millions of times by people before?You have no real idea of how vast the world you live on yet you want to lay claim to the fucking stars.
>>154085821>midwit is a word used by midwits
>>154089619>Entire universe? Quit dreaming. We're stuck on one small planet. Maybe 2 or 3 at most.We're talking about Invincible. The entire laws of physics can get fucked hard depending how far you're willing to go. Not just with space travel, but the multiverse and other bullshit.>If the Mouse Utopia was so flawed, why doesn't someone re-run it, with wheels and television for entertainment?Someone would have to be willing to fund it just to disprove it. And they'd have to address all the major criticisms of it, and that significantly adds-up. And universe 25 was meant to collapse, like >>154085887 said, and if enough of the issues were fixed, then people would claim it was somehow rigged to work, because the moment you stop the experiment you will be accused of trying to do so before the population collapse happens. So you've got 4 possible scenarios; the population collapses just like the original, the population continues to grow and funding needed to keep the experiment going increases endlessly, or the population stabilizes enough you could reasonably claim that it's a success but everyone says you stopped the experiment before it could collapse to make it look like you rigged the outcome to get what you want. There's no winning.
>>154090190Science is about finding out the truth, not proving you are correct to people who want a certain outcome and dont' care about reality.There are too many of those kinds of people in the science field or doing rigged experiments to prove their own ridiculous conclusions that have no bearing on reality at all.
>>154090260Several years ago, there was a poster on /sci/ who wanted to run his own lab but didn't want to have to work his way up, starting at the bottom. He asked how he could fake some world-shaking result. He was told that a minor "discovery" wouldn't make him famous and a major one would fall apart as soon as replication was attempted. Famous examples; Paul Kammerer and Jan Hendrik Schön. He still wasn't discouraged. I don't know what became of him. I gave up on /sci/ because I got tired of all the magnetic motors and reactionless thrusters whose "inventors" claimed their genius was being ignored/stifled by Orthodox Science. "Rigging" only works so long. Admittedly, its easier to pull off in "non- hard" fields like sociology.
>>154084721The only person who figured out an anti-viltrumite tactic besides "punch harder"
>>154090626The serotonin hypothesis for depression was only recently found to be total fraudSame for the causes of dementia being shown to be an absolute fraudGlobal Warming was shown to be a fraud by independent scientists who were not backed by any oil companyThat feeling you have right now, that kneejerk reaction to say that I'm wrong, that's how they keep falsehoods and fake science like that enshrined as factMuch of scientific progress has been proven to be outright lies. A woman who was a very highly respected editor for a world reknowned medical journal stated that much of what is called fact in science is total fraud.
>>154091101>Global Warming was shown to be a fraudYou don't know what albedo is lol>Satellite observations confirm that both the Arctic and Antarctic are failing to regain their previous ice extents and are undergoing rapid, accelerating mass loss. The Arctic is shrinking by roughly 12.2% per decade, while the massive Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets shed a combined ≈ 400 billion tons of ice annuallyYour dumb ass really thinks you can just pump tons of shit into the air that isn't supposed to be there and everything will be okay...even though that's the basis for the science of Terraforming which we're sure can be done. But no...the science doesn't work on Earth....sure....
>>154091222We've supposedly had global warming happening for over a century with everyone claiming the next decade was when it was going to get really bad.The antartic is GAINING ice now, and hawaii hasn't lost any land. Nor has any other island or coast.It's been the same for many years, barring ones that were simply hit by erosion...which happens naturally anyway. You've been trained to think that way and disavow anything else. With others being incentivized or threatened to keep quiet. Even google hides any website that talks about global warming..sorry "climate change". That's how you keep fraudulent science protected. Lies, threat, rewards, and faith.
>>154091294>The antartic is GAINING ice nowAgain, you don't know what albedo is and the literal snowball effect...or how to use your own eyes since we have satellite imagery.>The Broader Trend: Despite brief periods of mass gain, Antarctica has experienced a net loss of approximately 1.85 trillion tons of ice between 2002 and 2023.The Current Trajectory: Recent data indicates that the anomalous snowfall has dropped back to pre-2020 levels. As a result, the continent's overall mass balance has returned to a net loss state
>>154091400>Although there is evidence that global warming is wrong. But we really want global warming to be happening to continue getting grants so we will say it's still going on>looks up albedoAh.I thought having pictures of the antartic from orbit for the last 60(?) years would be enough to prove it's happening. Just show us those orbit pics of antartica shriking for 50+ years. Oh...there's a point where it's going to totes be super bad and it will snowball? Like oh lord it's gonna kills us all da global warming is bad!Really? Okay, then tell the people creating data centers to stop. As a matter of fact, where are the climate change people and environmentalists complaingin about the global impact data centers will cause. I can assure you it's going to be fucking massive. Want to know why? Because global warming and climate change are cut off from reality. There is no real world thing you can point to and show it happening or it's affects. Anything you do point to can be easily explained and proven to be something else.
>>154091773>Anything you do point to can be easily explained and proven to be something else.Nope.I know you don't understand the science and feel you can't grasp much of it even if you try. So do most people. Most people don't think there's a conspiracy involving MILLIONS of scientists worldwide like you though.I'm goin to bed, you can't change your mind since you aren't willing to actually and do things that aren't dopamine rushes. Like most people.
>>154091868If you want a big lie to be maintained, you tell people just enough to make them want to believe it.You tie that belief to them emotionally in some way.You censor and discredit anything that says it's a lie or not entirely true.You also force them into ways of thinking that maintains that belief through ignorance and not being able to think of anything else.Find a website through google that denies climate change. A real one. Not a strawman erected to make it look foolish.
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>>154091868>>154091945I lack the credentials and in general am not smart enough to weigh in on any of this here, yet I feel obligated to mention how moved I am by the fact that you both not only think you're right, and the other is wrong with CERTAINTY, but that that mutual certainty has zero effect on either of your perceptions now nor moving forward. Just fucking human as fuck, carry on lads.
>>154085466This just in, board idiot just learned every word is made up.
>>154084721>comparing mouses to humansThe only one small brained is OP
>>154094294Majority of medical studies are trialed on mice. That being said I think chimps are more useful for human psychology studies.
>>154084721>Another pseud talking pointThat experiment is dog shit for a plethora of reasons not the least of which is blatant anthropomorphizing.The starting population of rats was related meaning the larger population was heavily inbred, the containment had no enrichment for the inhabitants, the design of the feeding areas allowed larger mice to monopolize food, etc.
>>154088943>the only system that has ever worked, the system that eradicated slavery, the system that eradicated monarchy, the system that provided for everyone's needs including needs they didn't even realize they had until the new product came outShut the fuck up you retard.
>>154084721Debunked by edward dutton. many other rat utopias were performed but only that one was published properly because the others werent interesting. The true cause of the collapse is unclear (inbreeding, disease, malnutrition?)
>>154094720Yeah. It's not hard to completely fabricate conclusions and find people to back it up. Especially back then.
>>154090190>the population continues to grow and funding needed to keep the experiment going increases endlesslyThere is a hard limit to population set by the physical size of the enclosure. You don't increase the size of the enclosure, ever, because the point of it is to observe the effects of overcrowding. Even if everything else goes swimmingly, at some point the mice will die from being physically crushed by each other. The experiment can only result in disaster.
>>154094928>The experiment can only result in disaster.Not if the birth rate matches the death rate. And like in nature, the rate would fluctuate, with higher population densities resulting in lower birth rates and lower densities with higher rates, unless something in the environment changes enough to drive the population to extinction, which the experiment did.
>>154084721>make a perfect utopia>design disasters for it to keep your utopians on their toesIt's that easy. Pretend you're the AI for a City Building game and toss a meteor at your player.
>>154095022It's just what would happen if you keep living beings trapped in a sterile small prison where food and water is plentiful. It has not even a single bearing on humanity in the slightest and any conclusions derived form it seem like or very well may be politically driven scientific fraud. It's retardation that's never been replicated ever. And that's just it.A worrying amount of accepted science is outright fraud. We have a massive scandal going on across academia and the medical fields going on right now.
>>154084721genius doesn't mean you've heard of literally every single experiment conducted
>>154095252>It's just what would happenNo, it's not. You want to think that's what happens, but it's not. If it were the case Closed Terrariums wouldn't work.
>>154085466>now
>>154095788The fuck are you talking about. It's a completely different goddamnend thing.Explain how it's NEVER been replicated.
>>154095954>It's a completely different goddamnend thing.Yeah, it's more comparable to reality. In universe 25 food and water could enter the enclosure indefinitely until eventually there are too many mice in the box to physically move. There are closed terrariums that have gone on for over a decade with live insect populations inside and nothing entering or exiting the system. They're a much closer approximation to Earth, or the entire universe unless one day it starts raining cheeseburgers.
>>154094294ANYONE who's given Invincible more than 5 min. of their time is small-brained desu
>>154097071The show is fun to watch at least. Though it's full of plot inconsistencies "because Kirkman says so" and a bunch of libshit. Still more fun than most capeshit slop where nobody dies. Don't know where the comics go with it, but the show writers at least do a better job with some of the changes.
>>154097151>The show is fun
>>154097296who doesn't love minute long montages of shittily animated action scenes played to god awful music and the characters non stop whining about their fucking feelings?
>>154097403Have you seen the state of any western animation that isn't a pixar/disney movie from 20 years ago? Literally there isn't a single good one. Which is why Anime has been destroying Western media hand over fist. Even the most shittily animated low budget slop LN isekai adaptation beats out capeshit animation. Justice League, Teen Titans, Batman, Invincible, all of it is dogshit. But Invincible is at least better than all the other western slopshit in that department.
>>154085445>What the fuck would be the point of creating an absolutely ordered society if there's no one really to experience it?Paradise is reserved for the masters, not the goy cattle.
Shouldn't one repeat the experiment to make some valid conclusions?
