>>154090835
The check from Glitch finally cleared

>>154090835
>The finale sucked
Like the rest f the series, yes.
>what the fuck are you guys smoking?
Is what I ask people when they say they watched past the pilot.

>>154090835
Paid bots. They weren't allowed to acknowledge the leak but now they get to push the narrative.

>>154091785
>Paid bots
I assume that's similar to how the pilot got so big, too.

>>154090835
It sucked if you're a Jax fan.
I'm not. :^)

>>154091785
>>154092061
100% this

>>154090835
Maybe doesn’t apply to anons, but I get the feeling many fans are in a honeymoon phase and are trying to convince people it’s good as a way to “stick it” to Hollywood and because they’re so invested in the fan base.

Give it a couple of weeks when things calm down, and you’ll have more people coming out of the woodwork to admit they didn’t like it.

I rate it a 6/10 overall. Passable but not my favorite episode.

>>154092149
>many fans are in a honeymoon phase
Three years is too long for that.
>Give it a couple of weeks
They had since October of 2023.

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>>154090835
i thought it was fine, at least good enough for the show. elaborated on the characters just being soma'd, explained why the dickhead was a dickhead, caine redeemed. i mean, as far as indie shows go, its plenty fine. some of it felt a bit rushed or underdeveloped, but otherwise, its fine.

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>>154090835
>Kill Jax
>Everything gets better
We've been saying it from the beginning and they did it, that's why

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>>154092149
There are plenty of fans both on 4chan and off already saying they didn't like it. Differing reasons, of course, but plenty of people disliking it regardless. Regardless of bots screeching about how 'it made money so it good', the actual fan reception has been a real mixed one.

>>154092607
>elaborated on the characters just being soma'd

>Kinger: We are brain scans btw, I thought it was appropriate to say this at the worst possible moment. Yeah I discovered this just now even though I knew what our team was trying to create (I also know we abandoned the project for reasons, despite that happening after I got here)
>cue 2 minutes of them being sad and saying "we're all in this together"
>Jax is broken by this revelation and fucks off to abstract, even though 2 episodes back he was the one who pushed the button to avoid getting back to the real world
>Scratch is irrilevant
>By the end they look at a slideshow of people living their best lives with the families and friends they thought were their own
>This is fine

>>154090835
all i saw after the leak was people saying it was abysmal dogshit without ever substantiating why that is and when i watched it (pirated, fuck you i'm not getting in a theater with a bunch of unwashed digital circus fans) i thought it was fine. by tv show finale standards, it honestly seemed pretty damn good all things considered. it kind of just seems like everyone wants to manufacture another game of thrones or stranger things finale out of something that seems pretty reasonable, or they're just pissed that their favorite character didn't get enough screen time. my favorite character barely got any screen time after the first couple of minutes but i didn't give a shit because i'm an adult and i know i'm not watching the kinger show featuring everyone else. either that or they're pissed that jax is a troon but come on we all saw that one coming.

>>154090835
Either stop self inserting as Jax or stop being in denial you can't do both

>>154090835
>baiting for a board consensus
Cant you sheep-like faggots just ever have your own opinion?

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>>154092950
I don't know, can we?

>>154093022
This is vice reserva!

>>154093690
Sorry, you snooze, you lose!

Best /co/ series finale ever. Seethe and cope faggots.

>>154090835
Noticing that only women and Jax fans like the ending

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I'm a fucking homosexual who cried like a bitch when Jax started yelling at Ribbit. I may need to cut my balls off

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>>154091584
watched past the pilot and started to believe most TADC fans are under 14

>>154094015
yet you post on a imageboard predominantly full of kid's shit. curious!

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>>154092817
It's like you're fucking stupid or something

>Kinger: We are brain scans btw, I thought it was appropriate to say this at the worst possible moment. Yeah I discovered this just now even though I knew what our team was trying to create (I also know we abandoned the project for reasons, despite that happening after I got here)
He knew Scratch was attempting it, but he had a tumor in his head and was attempting a lot of impossible things, no reason for Kinger to assume he succeeded. Also, if Kinger waited to tell them, you'd be equally bitching that he didn't make it known as soon as it came to his attention. ALSO, he was in shock
>cue 2 minutes of them being sad and saying "we're all in this together"
what else are they supposed to do retard
>Jax is broken by this revelation and fucks off to abstract, even though 2 episodes back he was the one who pushed the button to avoid getting back to the real world
He pushed the button so he wouldn't have to confirm whether he killed his mom or not. He finally tried to open up to pomni and got slight pushback because she was busy which he interpereted as rejection. He can't return to the real world and he thinks he had nothing left in the digital. Makes perfect sense, you're just a tard
>Scratch is irrilevant
It's irrelevant and the entire series would quite literally not have happened if not for him. What, do you need him on screen and voiced witha full arc? It's okay for characters to just be catalysts
>By the end they look at a slideshow of people living their best lives with the families and friends they thought were their own
It was Caine's biggest way of apology and they all accepted their new circus personas over their IRL counterparts
>This is fine
First not retarded thing you're said all post

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>>154090835
It wasn't great, but it was what I expected it to be based on the rest of the episodes and what was teased in the trailer. The only things I really didn't like is that Caine basically just comes back on his own after plucking the other AI out of his head (was it Bubble?) and just happens to find a door to free Wifi (probably the best gag in the movie). The movie also spends too much of the runtime on Jax in a way that could have been done in flashbacks, but instead somehow involved Pomni just going into abstracted Jax and speaking with him, which she also somehow knew she could just survive, then they all just give-up on him and everyone else that's abstracted. Because fuck 'em all, I guess.

>>154094514
>Kinger: We are brain scans btw, I thought it was appropriate to say this at the worst possible moment.
My only problem with Kinger revealing that is that I actually heard a kid in the audience near me sound confused. I obviously knew what it meant, but it really could have been spelled-out better for someone new to the trope. The delivery was perfect though. I loved that it wasn't made into some big dramatic reveal, and just casually said. The same goes for Jax abstracting. Actually showing some kind of body horror-like transformation could have been cool, but having them just casually see his abstraction running around was great. But again, I heard some confusion, like they didn't understand it was supposed to be Jax.

I think a lot of the complaints come from it just being the final episode of the series and nothing more. Maybe not enough comedy, too.

>>154094732
>which she also somehow knew she could just survive
She didn't, it was an act of faith based on Kinger relating his own experience with Queenie

>somehow, Caine returned
This is the lowest point of the last episode and drags the rest of it down. There's a few other rough patches but everything with Caine felt like a rough draft. Otherwise it was pretty enjoyable.

>>154094514
>no reason for Kinger to assume he succeeded
You are literally mentally retarded. Even the retarded horse girl whose highest exposure to modern day tech is Looney Toons on TV understood this inherently.

>>154090835

Eternity never felt so sure in her life.

In her hands were the C&A headset that would allow her to escape her tragic life. Orphaned at 12 and passed from abusive family to abusive family, Eternity would not miss those cruel foster parents who spat on her, beaten her, raped her. She put the headsets on and susdenly the dark and morose abandoned laboratory and into the bright world of the digital circus simulation.

Eternity couldn't possibly be more happy. She looked exactly like herself except wearing a long gothic dress with purple and red accents, purple fishnet pants, black boots with pictures of Adam Lambert (AN: love that cutie) on them, red lipstick and black eyueshadow that matched her blazing red eyes. Everyone gasped.

"Who're you?" asked Ragatha, a fucking prep that looked like Rhianna.

Eternity merely put up her middle finger at her, making her and Pomni - a prep that looked like Hillary Duff - gasp. Zooble, a cool person with a punk look, congratulated Eternity by making the death's touch sign (AN: if you don't know what that is fuck off to a Lady Gaga concert).

"Wow, you're so cool Eternity" Caine said.

"Thanks" I blushed.

Eternity then went to the aquarium where the Abstracted were swimming in and touched the glass. Suddenly a cool pink darkness covered the room and they were brough to normal, especially Jax, who was wearing an MCR t-shirt with red blood letters. He touched the glass and his and Eternity's hands were united in love.

"She can't do that!" spat Pomni evilly.

"No she can" Kinger concluded wisely.

Eternity was merely happy that she and her beloved were together. Jax and the others got out of the aquarium and he kissed her passively.

"Oh Eternity, you make me so happy!" said Jax emoly.

To be continued?

>>154094760
Right. And because Caine wasn't back yet to unfuck the circus, that makes it okay, but I still wonder why nobody else had tried it, or at least not successfully before, and why they just gave-up on everyone else that had been abstracted, especially after confirming their minds are still in there and they aren't just completely feral beasts. Being able to tell Jax exactly what's going on with the real him and his mom, or seeing that Ribbit and Kaufmo after they get unabstracted, could work.

>>154094823
>everything with Caine felt like a rough draft.
Yes. And Caine himself felt like a completely different character.

>>154090835

This show is highly satanic because it was made by a trannysexualised

>>154094945
>Yes. And Caine himself felt like a completely different character.
Instead of a character arc he had a character bit flip.

>>154095020
I mean, he kind of did that when he got angry and snapped, but all of the goofiness just drained out of him to the point it made his dialog seem like a placeholder was left in.

>>154090835
/co/mblr is and has been a thing so remember a lot of the anons you’re talking to are unironically troons or some kind of fag
If you actually have a brain and don’t get misty eyes over “muh heckin poor trans egg Jax who chose suicide over coming out” then you realize just how incredibly mid it was.
I feel cheated to be honest. I invested three years into this. Went to cons. Cosplayed. Met the VAs. Spent quite a bit of good money for some of those things too. I’ll still have the good episodes and the fandom (T B Ha lot of the fan art and other fan creations were actually better than the series itself, as was the case for FiM), but knowing the resolution to it all was such dog shit will leave a bad taste in my mouth forever.

>>154094945
>I still wonder why nobody else had tried it
Because after fucking up with Scratch, Caine instilled in everyone the notion that abstractions were taboo things that you should flee from and keep in the cellar. Caine is terrified of them because to him they represent the failure of his purpose, restoring the brain scans, and failing with the one who game him said purpose at that. That's why Pomni only had room to attempt it once Caine was gone.

And also it's just like how the others went with the premise that Kinger is just crazy, while Pomni managed to connect with him, or how she antagonized Caine when all others were avoiding it. She's the one to question stuff

>>154094514
>Also, if Kinger waited to tell them, you'd be equally bitching that he didn't make it known as soon as it came to his attention. ALSO, he was in shock
>>154094732
>The delivery was perfect though. I loved that it wasn't made into some big dramatic reveal, and just casually said.

Complete fucking pseud retard takes. The fact that the moment was given almost zero weight and the character got over instantly was one of the biggest fumbles of the finale.
Imagine if I fucking told you that you’re actually not real, and that you’re actually trapped in a simulacrum made by aliens or something. Even the most hard boiled, terminally online, 7 proxies of sarcasm and irony shitheads would take more than a few minutes to process that.

If you liked the finale, you’re just a closeted agp who is trooning out over Jax the same way Gooseworx is. Never giving tranny media another chance after this.

>>154095180
I want to say their dialog after the reveal indicated that they'd sort of suspected it was something like that but didn't want it to be true. It was less that they were blindsided by the truth and more that they were forced to acknowledge the truth. I might be misremembering and filling in the blanks with what makes sense to me though.

>>154095180
>Even the most hard boiled, terminally online, 7 proxies of sarcasm and irony shitheads would take more than a few minutes to process that
Nah, the Conan approach, "if this is a dream I am real in the dream", is what most people would do. Our real world is loopy in many ways yet people just carry on

>>154095214
>I want to say their dialog after the reveal indicated that they'd sort of suspected it was something like that but didn't want it to be true. It was less that they were blindsided by the truth and more that they were forced to acknowledge the truth.
You’re not wrong but then why did they get so invested in the “Escape the Circus” adventure just two episodes prior if they “always knew” like Ragatha said?
I can give you the simplest explanation for that - Goose was actually a dumb self-obsessed troop all along and sacrificed narrative consistency so (s)he could run >her nub to poor Jaxegg’s suicide/mental breakdown.
>>154095226
I really don’t think you appreciate both how stupid people are nor the actual existential crisis it would inspire if you were a smarter.

>>154095180
>zero weight
>spend the next 5 minutes on screen crying about it. With noticeable cues that it is least a few hours.
>jax abstracts from this

>zero weight

>Imagine if I fucking told you that you’re actually not real, and that you’re actually trapped in a simulacrum made by aliens or something.

If you were already in a much more obvious simulacrum for years by this point it would be less of a shock. Jax repeatedly said to them that they were cartoon characters and none of this was real.

>>154095285
>You’re not wrong but then why did they get so invested in the “Escape the Circus” adventure just two episodes prior if they “always knew” like Ragatha said?
Because they desperately wanted to be wrong, I guess. Haven't you ever striven for something that you knew deep down was impossible but you did your best to ignore that feeling and push on just in case? Convince yourself that your relationship isn't really over, convince yourself that the next email will be an acceptance instead of rejection, and so on?

>>154095316
>spend the next 5 minutes on screen crying about it. With noticeable cues that it is least a few hours.
>Meanwhile we spend a solid half hour diving into the inner mind of poor baby jaxypoo and learning how he would react if different character abstracted and his poor heck trans egg inner self
Do you see the problem here, or do you need me to break it down more? Them wrestling with that revelation should have been THE conceit of the finale and instead it was brushed off with two minutes of Gangle and Ragatha moping and a conjuring training montage. It was missed opportunity and there’s no argument against that.

>>154095336
>Because they desperately wanted to be wrong, I guess. Haven't you ever striven for something that you knew deep down was impossible but you did your best to ignore that feeling and push on just in case?
To answer that question personally, as I’ve gotten older I’ve learned to tamp my expectations and when to cut my losses. I know Ragatha is a hopeless optimist but she is also my age which means she should have learned this too. And yet she, Gangle, Zooble and Pomni were all in on the adventure. Pomni and Zooble explicitly only came to terms with not leaving after the adventure, and Zooble was still literally frozen in place after the revelation.
It’s bad writing, and I’ve already said why in my last several posts so I am not going to repeat it (but it rhymes with “snacks”)

>>154095166
My point is that there are about 14 abstractions, and they have no reason to think Jax is the only one still in there, and with Caine back it should be even easier to save them.

>>154095180
>The fact that the moment was given almost zero weight and the character got over instantly was one of the biggest fumbles of the finale.
The only reason you think it was a fumble was because you wanted more emphasis on it than the stupid shit like Jax being a fag. But on its own it was executed fine. I'd much rather have the band-aid ripped off than an overdramatic scene like Jax having a panic attack in the bathroom.

>Imagine if I fucking told you that you’re actually not real, and that you’re actually trapped in a simulacrum made by aliens or something.
They KNOW they're in the circus. The idea should have crossed their minds several times in the days/weeks/years they've been in there unless they have absolutely no curiosity at all.

I think in the theatre, as a whole package, it’s enjoyable enough. Far from perfect and few are going as far to call it a 10/10, but still enjoyed for what it was.
It’s when you go home and start to think about things more that all the plot holes and inconsistencies pile up more and you begin to wonder if Goose’s team themselves even sat and watched the previous episodes before writing the last one.

>>154095965
It's not really plot holes as it is plot points that went nowhere that bothered me after watching.

>>154094514
I wish I could enjoy media in the completely lobotomized way you do, you completely ignore the execution of these themes and eat that shit up. Creators know they can get away with their low effort crap because they know they'll have a horde of defenders to fill up the gaps in the narrative for them.

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I get the feeling OP and the other shitters are just cynical and jaded douchers and dont enjoy anything other than arguing.

/co/ is not your therapist

>>154096221
Criticism =/= cynicism

>>154095949
>My point is that there are about 14 abstractions, and they have no reason to think Jax is the only one still in there, and with Caine back it should be even easier to save them
Yeah, now they know, that's why the made the aquarium where they can communicate with them.
Caine's return doesn't really change anything though, abstractions were his greatest failure before and he's not gonna figure out a way to reverse them overnight, if at all. But at least he knows better than to shove them away now

>>154096289
If it was a one off that served a point and not just complaining for its own sake youd have a point. But reading through the thread and listening to what comes off more like whining than nuanced criticism leads me to believe OP is a chronic conplainer who gets no joy out of life.

And one of the dead giveaways for people like that is they ONLY talk about how bad things are. They NEVER compare it to something they thought was good or well made because frankly they dont have anything in their life they think is good. Someone offering legit criticism would contrast what they were criticizing against a standard they considered 'good'. Read the entire thread you will see no such comparisons.

Its all just complaining for its own sake.

>>154096311
Ok,
IHNMAIMS, Evangelion (the OG), The Good Place, Bojack Horseman, Moral Orel all did it better

>>154096317
Oh, and the Don't Hug Me I'm Scared webshow too for the weird existential vibes and dark comedy part

>>154096317
You're gonna have to elabrate, or it's easy to rebuke with just "no they didn't" or "more like Bojack Cuckman"

>>154092817
they all should have abstracted and the monologue about the real humans having nice lives should have played over their decayed abstracted corpses.

>>154096382
Cooper Goodwin is a castration cultist, and the most that the writers of any of those did was capitulate to the cult. That instantly makes all of them better by default.
t. Not that anon.

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>>154096311
you want me to list everything that ever had that a redemption arc that wasn't garbage, just to get to point out that caine being immediately forgiven by the people he abused and tortured with their worst fears was fucking terrible writing decision?

either caine is too much of a robot to realise what he did was morally wrong, or he has human-tier ability to have a moral compass and repent. you simply cannot have both in a coherent character, and the show tried to give him both.

>>154096397
>a troon is unable to write a moral compass
I wonder what might cause that...

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>>154096311
Piranesi is a better 'guy trapped in a weird place' story. The author spends a lot of time dwelling on the setting and the main character's routines and struggles. Even though its a very simple and borderline sterile setting it still has a sense of beauty and mystique to it.

The circus in TADC is the exact opposite. It feel lifeless, but the show never leans into this aspect. Characters never have any reason to be anywhere so they just happen to be wherever the plot requires them to be at any particular moment.

Pantheon is a better story about brain uploads and simulations. I dont have much more to say about that because TADC is obviously just using them as a means to an end. But that itself is a problem because the mystery is a major hook of the show and its reveal is an anticlimax. It fails to grapple any of the meaningful implications of being an upload like being copied endlessly, being put in storage, being corporate property (hint: Pantheon touches on these subjects).

>>154096387
It's telling you can't find fault with the story and have to use the weirdo cult angle instead

>>154094015
I was at the finale at a theater on Friday, I'd say a good half of the crowd were clearly under 12 and accompanied by their parents. This is not an inherently bad thing but actual demographic of this show is very young.

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>make IHNMAIMS for soft therapy theater kids
>IF I DON'T TROON OUT I'M GONNA FUCKING KILL MYSELF
That's uh... that's it? That's really what they went for?

I dunno man. I saw the TV Glow did it better. Feels like they sorta wasted the concept.

>>154096464
but Leroy didn't troon out and seems to be content irl

>>154096453
>you can't find fault with the story
The fault is that the pilot was annoying so I closed out after half of it.
>the weirdo cult angle
Because Cooper Goodwin is a weirdo cultist, designing his series to attract children for them to "protect," yes.

>>154092950
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>>154096464
It's a product of the castration cult and Glitch should've saved their dignity by Memoryholing the series as soon as the leaks were public, yes. Nothing of value would be lost.

>>154096311
Better Call Saul does what TADC does 100x better. Jimmy is a mentally ill traumatized character putting on a funny / assholeish facade to hurt everyone around him, and Chuck is a deeply mentally ill character who pushes everyone around him away and ends up killing himself. Kim is the female character attracted to Jimmy, who both tries to fix him and gets changed by him.
It's what happens when a show is written by someone who knows what they are doing, instead of a mentally ill object show fan.

>>154090835
thats not a high bar for the series

>>154096497
>instead of a [castration cultist]
Fixed.

>>154096486
Why do you let a single person haunt your life so much anon? Do they make you so hard you can't think of anything else?

>>154096483
Jax didn't troon out either, the point of both stories is just showing the mental anguish (supposedly) of living an untrooned life.

Like, I get it. I'm not getting emotional catharsis out of it, but I get it. It just feels like such a strange thing to make the focal point of this whole multi year long story.

I'm basically never a pearl clutcher, I mean I read the actual IHNMAIMS story and saw the game of it when I was an impressionable kid myself. But I think Glitch getting this really young audience and then hitting them with this, to put it politely, trauma dump of an ending that's heavy handed in how much it wants to overwhelm emotionally is... I dunno, it doesn't sit right. Its a very thoughtless way of telling a story that you know has a lot of very young impressionable kids watching. Maybe that's why it slanted on a more LE HOPEPUNK note at the end, but I think this'll just confuse a lot of kids into acting out in weird overemotional ways.

>>154096509
>a single person
The castration cult is not a single person.

>>154096530
Yet a single name is what you always give, so clearly you're obsessing over an individual

>>154096542
>a single name is what you always give
What fucking thread is this, again?

>>154096542
>a single name
The name of the creator of Circus Shit, yes.

>>154090835
No, it was good.

>>154092817
>I thought it was appropriate to say this at the worst possible moment.
He simply said it as soon as he remembered it, anon.

>>154097023
He says he discovered they were brain scans when looking through the terminal to stop Caine (by this point he was already lucid), but in the previous episodes he says
>He blames himself for something he thought he was responsible for, implying it was not his fault but someone's else (the original Kinger)
>In episode 7 Caine keeps him away from the others because Kinger knows too much, and he says "an escape? But that doesn't make sense". Why wouldn't it make sense?
And saying that right after the others were tortured and the Circus fell is kind of a dick move

Realistically, for all the wholesomeness, they would inevitably go insane right?
Its not like there's a lot for them to do. Sure Caine can spawn more worlds, but they are essentially trapped in vault 112 except there isn't even a body to go to.
Even if they endure and Caine's altruism lasts for all of eternity, he would probably need to spawn in duplicates of the brain scans to maintain a population and prevent insanity.
Best case they last until the hard drive they're in fails and its just lights out.
Just imagine when the hard drive starts malfunctioning and they glitch out. Maybe it becomes read only and they're permanently trapped in a repeating moment like those poor saps from Soma.

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>>154096311
>>154096317 here, wanted to add:
Haibane Renmei, the characters are trapped in a weird afterlife where they can't remember their names.
Each one of them has a designated day where they walk into a mysterious light and disappear into the unknown. The protagonist bonds with a girl who thinks she is irreedemable and can't pass on, and the final episodes focus on that.
The show never gives you clear answers but it has enough hints to let you understand what was going on, and it doesn't feel frustrating.
Like TADC it starts by kinda meandering and the other characters other than the two mains don't really matter, but it tackles the same themes of regret, redemption and self-hate so much better too.

>>154096440
>Pantheon
Pantheon is fucking boring.

>>154097307
assuming caine is on his redemption arc indefinitely, where he is trying to cater to their interests, it would buy them some time. including the fact they understand their situation entirely, id buy into the fact theyd be fine until hard drive failure, which wouldnt even take a decade in all honesty. assuming kinger was first, and the computer hardware was new and running the entire time. also things such as other miscellaneous component failure. there was a mention that the program was impossibly small, so perhaps it was ideally optimized, but given of how computers were depicted it would stand to reason it wasnt particularly modern hardware, unless it was just a stand in for "computer" and not what it was actually running on.

>>154097925
to add, there could also be the idea should the device turn off for any reason, theyd be saved as-is, so if anyone were to find it in the future and turn it back on/move the files on paper theyd keep going from where they stopped

>>154097925
If you think about it, their world doesn't even need to function in real time. For all we know their time proceeds several hundred times our own due to the computing speeds.
I can only imagine their mundane interests tiding them over for so long. After a long enough time line, they would eventually have lived out every mundane fantasy and have had every single possible conversation and even every single relationship if they decide to swap around every few decades to keep things fresh.They would probably eventually ask Caine to let them do Marquis de Sade shit when things inevitably devolve.

>>154098015
finally, a decent sequel idea

>>154098088
Good thing Mr. Goodwin is going to take an extended leave and hopefully get legally barred from making creative work ever again.

>>154097711
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elBKBkA57HA

>>154098115
no, i want to see more gooseworx work. even if it wasnt good it made me interested, which is more than most current slop

>>154098139
>[I] want to see more [of Cooper Goodwin's] work
There are dozens of castration cultists on YouTube with a barely-passing facsimile of "talent." Too bad none of them should have a following.
>even if it wasnt [sic] good it
No, you can stop after "it wasn't good." The only thing that's interesting about Cooper is how long it'll be before he gets caught.

>>154098188
>nooo you have to use his birth name stop using his psuedonym!!!
god you make tranny hating seem gayer than the trannies are and they're pretty fucking annoying and gay
we're entering into an ai-powered panopticon go protest data centers and digital ids instead of screeching about troons all fucking day long like the useful idiot you are, goose and his bs is obnoxious but digital id is so much more of an existential threat than mentally ill dudes wearing drag
can't wait to see what buzz phrases you use to attack and strawman me with and ignore everything i just said

>>154094865
Ragatha was more so talking about how she knew deep down it was impossible to leave the circus, since she was in there for a decade plus. She DIDN'T know that they were all brain scans detached from their actual bodies, nor that the technology was even possible. It might have been possible for her to INFER something similar only because when she put on the headset, she was with other people. C'mon man, think for a minute
>>154095180
>Complete fucking pseud retard takes. The fact that the moment was given almost zero weight and the character got over instantly was one of the biggest fumbles of the finale.
Just because it took only 2 in theatre minutes for the characters to move on, doesn't mean that it took 2 in universe minutes. That's like saying that Jax abstracted 10 seconds after he told Pomni "nevermind". Time had obviously passed. You're calling ME retarded?
>>154096124
>calls me lobotomized
>i can actually talk about the media and why things are the way they are
>he can only go "erm, you're wrong sweaty" with absolutely no elaboration

>>154092607
no no no no you HAVE to either defend it as the best thing you've ever seen or viscerally loathe it as the worst piece of trash

>>154098285
>you make [opposing the castration cult] seem gayer than the [cult itself]
Then you're a capitulator. That's not an exaggeration, anymore than calling them "the castration cult" is an exaggeration (none at all). You think opposition to the cult is worse than the cult itself, so you're pro-cult.
>go protest data centers and digital ids [sic]
And what open door would that push on? Why would the Elite listen to an angry suggestion, or read a bunch of signs that say "down with this sort of thing," and suddenly change their mind about their incentive? In short, why would they listen to (You)?
>digital id [sic] is so much more of an existential threat
Like those dastardly seatbelt mandates? Or everyone having a State-issued number at birth?
>than mentally ill dudes wearing drag
Not when those "dudes wearing drag" are targeting children to induct them into a pseudo-medical chemical-and-physical-castration ritual. They're a cult.
>can't wait to see what buzz phrases you use to attack and strawman me
I can't wait to see your expanded definitions of "buzz phrase" and "strawman."

>>154098410
>Just because it took only 2 in theatre minutes for the characters to move on, doesn't mean that it took 2 in universe minutes.
Yes, it does matter. They kept this a mystery for 9 episodes just to get over it in a montage because?
Imagine a movie about a boxer training for his big fight and then they skip right to his victory, yes it still happened to the character but the audience wants to fucking see it.

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>>154092769
Oh I know, but quite a number of fans who liked it come across as being toxically positive, being rather aggressive to any criticism and insisting that they’re just mad their head canons didn’t become true.
It comes across like they’ve either invested so much time into the show that they need the finale to be good or are truly convinced that indie is the future and aren’t fully confident in their position.

It was good but I'm going to miss Jax.

>>154098410
You said
>No reason for Kinger to think he succeeded
When him being there, with his colleagues and a literal sentient AI in their magical mindscape, is proof enough that the headset worked. He would have no way to know what C&A in the real world was up to.

>>154092149
the jax nigger copes are starting to pourcin XD
>2 more weeks!
lmao

>>154095336
>if they “always knew” like Ragatha said?
Ragatha saying she "always knew" doesn't mean she figured it out years ago you fucking retard. It means she had a gut feeling that it was impossible to leave, not that she had definitively proved it. And it's hard not to have this gut feeling when you've been trapped for over 10 years
>>154098520
>Yes, it does matter. They kept this a mystery for 9 episodes just to get over it in a montage because?
You retards would also be complaining that it took up too much screentime with characters crying if it took any longer.
>>154098520
>Imagine a movie about a boxer training for his big fight and then they skip right to his victory, yes it still happened to the character but the audience wants to fucking see it.
Playing devil's advocate, this wouldn't be a completely unforgivable sin. I can see a movie focusing on the training to the point that the fight is wholly unimportant. There's a fight in JJK that gets completely skipped over due to there being such an extreme power mismatch that it would be pointless to show it and it has much more impact getting completely skipped

Jax is not a troon mentaly ill chuds.
Zooble is already stated to be some kind of troon.

>>154098520
I think shounen trash tranime is more up your speed.

>>154098666
>You retards would also be complaining that it took up too much screentime with characters crying if it took any longer.
I'm arguing that it should have been longer, you're not making any sense dude

I left kinda disheartened, but I think it was because the audience at my showing: pear-shaped or sickly thin, either too pale or too brown, septum rings, buzzcuts and a bona fide mental retard sat at my showing. Also they were older than I was expecting, like mid to late twenties, it was kinda unsettling.

>>154098700
>I want more introspection
>Watch more shounen trash
It was a fucking comparison for the effect it would have had on the audience

>>154098708
>Also they were older than I was expecting, like mid to late twenties, it was kinda unsettling.
Would you rather have children watching this crap?

how is that one funnybunny guy on youtube with a gorgonzola from chowder pfp doing?

>>154098600
Yes, he knew that it was one of the probably hundreds of things Scratch said he was working on. Just one possible hypothesis among hundreds as to why they can't leave, certainly not certain about it enough to deject every member of the circus with the information. Equally as likely to him that this was a Sword Art Online nervegear situation and that taking the headset off would fry your brain, or any one of a ton of other theories

>>154098737
Instead of mentally defective adults? Sure.

>>154098703
And I'm arguing that if it were longer, there would be a hundred more of you (no, not specifically you, I know that's a hard concept) arguing that it dragged on for way too long.

>>154098755
Kinger specifically says
>Yeah we abandoned the project because the files were too small
How would he have known that, if his copy's consciousness got insta-transferred there when he put the headset on for testing purposes?

>>154098770
>he wants children to watch the troon indoctrinaction movie
I'm calling 911.

>>154098770
>I was hoping they're be more underaged kids instead of adults
ok dude... are you on some kind of list btw?

>>154098790
So you're admitting that Kinger actually had negative reason to assume the brain scan theory?

>>154090835
I'm a Jax fan and I enjoyed it. I'm surprised people thought Jax was gonna get a good ending even though he was actively abstracting in episode 7 and 6

>>154098792
>>154098793
PedoProjection at its finest.

>>154098790
>Project gets scrapped
>Still working at C&A
>test some other project down the line

The timeline makes sense if you're not retarded

>>154098788
And you're making shit up because the reveal is objectively rushed, and if anything there would be LESS people complaining about that if it got the gravity it deserved (especially after dedicating an entire episode to "all your theories are wrong", instead of much needed character development for anyone who isn't Jax)

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>>154098827

POMNI NOW BELONGS TO RAGATHA

>>154098829
>erm, how do I make it seem like my opinion is valid?
>Eureka! I know! I'll just use the word objectively, even though it's objectively subjective whether or not your think it's rushed!

I thought it was fine and all my friends who saw it too didn't even bring it up. The most they complained about was the Jax dream sequence going on for too long

>>154098864
>Zooble tries to talk to Pomni about something
>Ragatha starts beating up Zooble in a jealousy fueled rage
>Both Gangle and Pomni are extremely turned on at the sight.

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>>154098829
They pretty much explicitly confirmed the brain scan theory in episode 8 when Caine says "mind files". Spending too much time on it in episode 9 would have felt emotionally manipulative, and like it was treating the viewer like an idiot, and I hate to say it, would not have added ANYTHING to the plot. I can reasonably assume the member came to terms with it, even if I don't actually watch them getting over it or processing it. It helps they had a common goal of patching the circus up to take their minds off it

>>154098924
And I ask again, if that's the reason then why did they have to drag this out for 3 years? Narrative-wise, why not reveal the brain scan thing early on so the characters could deal with that early on and then deal with Caine and Jax's issues?

>>154098708
I'm not sure what you expected. Digital Circus's target audience isn't children or teens, it's late 20s queers who still enjoy sexyman and pixie dream girl humor.
Two characters canonical fucked as well.
But also children typically aren't going to relate to this story at all, which at its core is about regret and really bad self sabotage. Felt like I was looking into a pre-therapy view of how I treated people for the last 3 years.

That said I really didn't enjoy how the whole thing had basically zero plot or conflict, just a bunch of time wasted on yapping.
>show don't tell
Doesn't count when it's all contrived flashbacks. That's still telling, just disguised as showing. If I died I wouldn't want my best friend to touch my corpse and suddenly witness every way I had been a colossal asshole and why. It just ate so much of the screentime.

Real question, why is kinger sad right upon entering the circus, wouldn't everyone on the first batch of humans be willing to enter

>>154098983
>Digital Circus's target audience isn't children or teens
Officially, no. Design-wise? You'd have to be high.
>children typically aren't going to relate to this story at all
Well it's a good thing castration cultist Cooper Goodwin is introducing it to them...

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>>154098950
>Dude, why didn't they just give away the biggest twist in like the first 30% of the show??? I don't care that this would have destroyed any tension and that virtually every episode would be impossible
I'd like to start out by saying this is so retarded I considered just ignoring it, but I've got nothing better to do
If the brain scan was revealed early, why would literally anything in the series matter? Every character would turn into Jax because literally none of it is real and there would be no point in taking anything seriously. The entire point of Jax's character is that him thinking that way was a result of him coping about his life outside, which would have been completely thrown out if no one else cared either. There would be no reason to fight Caine if there wasn't a way to leave and there would be no reason to deal with Jax's shit either.

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>>154096440
Never thought I'd see Piranesi mentioned on /co/. Have you found any books with a similar vibe? It almost feels like soft recruitment material for some sort of vibes. The thing gave me more Cultist Simulator vibes than Cultist Simulator did.

>>154099024
Because he's trapped in a world without his wife? Reasonable to assume based on the muted argument in the background of the start of episode 8 that everyone was arguing about something, likely not being able to leave

Do you need everything explained to you like you're 5?

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>>154098924
>It would not have added ANYTHING to the plot
>>154099194
>This would have destroyed any tension and that virtually every episode would be impossible
>why would literally anything in the series matter

>>154099243
I understand you're trying to make a point here anon but what is it

>>154099262
Does this fucking brain scan reveal matter or not? They sure didn't turn into crazed Jonkler nihilists in episode 9

>>154099227
Read my comment again you didn't understand it, also im gooseworx

>>154099438
It's not gonna happen overnight, retard. Plus, they were, for most of the episode too preoccupied with being stuck in a circus with no Caine, and spending the etire rest of eternity with nothing to do. Jax's blase attitude was in part caused by having to cope with having to ignore how shitty it was to deal with an AI that doesn't give you what you want. When Caine comes back, he's changed. There's little reason to turn into Jax now, but I do assume that the brainscan info will change these characters, albiet off screen bc the series is over and their further development doesn't really matter

>>154099477
>Read my comment again you didn't understand it
Read my comment again you didn't understand it
Also reasonable to assume that while they willingly enter, they didn't know it would trap them. Caine created the entire circus, it's possible he completed Scratch's brain scan tech without even Scratch knowing.

>also im gooseworx
Did you remember to dilate today?

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I can't tell if the japanese liked the movie or not

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>>154099262
>spending too much time on character crying over the brainscan adds nothing to the plot
>revealing the brainscan too early would have destroyed the show

These things don't contradict, you fucking idiot

>>154092907
/co/ pushing an anti-TADC narrative because they got tired of the threads sliding their pedo gooner threads about some random obscure preschool show character

>>154099558
The way it was tackled in the finale, it wouldn't have destroyed the show, since they clearly get over it and still care about each other. The main conflict stemming from Jax's self-hate and Caine's torture would still be the same even if they already knew they were copies, because they'd still have some attachment to their real selves.
Or they could have reframed the show in a way where them being copies did actually matter, and had to reflect on their original selves' past and whether they wanted to keep on being like them.

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>>154098546
That is, unfortunately, the Amazing Digital Circus fandom in a nutshell. I've seen it on many, many sites around the net. Despite the odd commentary on Ragatha's supposed toxic positivity being bad actually, the fandom is deeply entrenched in its own toxic positivity. Even most generals tend to have some criticism for their appointed shows, but the TADC generals openly discourage it. It does seem to be the result of not wanting to know they sunk their time into something that was anything less of a masterpiece. Because otherwise the fandom sunk three years into what ultimately was a mediocre show.

Unfortunately this just seems to be an emerging mentality that people are applying to media in general, but TADC got it particularly bad. Also, this in particularly made me laugh:
>that they’re just mad their head canons didn’t become true
because my head canon WAS true and I still didn't like the ending. Takes all kinds, I guess.

>>154099682
I wanted Caine to come back and I still think this was a dogshit ending

>>154090835
I'm straight, what is this about?

>>154099629
>The way it was tackled in the finale, it wouldn't have destroyed the show, since they clearly get over it and still care about each other.
I don't know if your eyes were open for the finale, but let me provide a recap. Jax did NOT get over it, and the rest of the cast only pushed through because Pomni gave them a goal to work towards (fixing the circus) which would have not been possible earlier in the series because Caine had not been "removed" yet
Had Pomni not been there, had there been no goal to unify them, they would have all abstracted shortly

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>>154099516
>I do assume that the brainscan info will change these characters
Nice speculation, now give me what's in the text of the story

Why is anyone shocked about them being copies? It was spelled out episodes in advance.

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>>154099750
I did too. Him and Kinger are my favorite characters. But it was done so sloppily that I almost would've preferred if he stayed dead.

>>154099438
I mean by episode 9 it was the least of their worries. But also I disagree that knowing it would have turned them into nihilists or whatever, Kinger knew from the get go and was doing fine regarding that specific angle

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>>154099922
No one was. That's why the complaint about 'didn't match your headcanon that's why you hate it' is so dumb. Because the SOMA shit was predicted as early as episode one. If anything the ending encompassed one of THE most popular theories, it was just handled without much finesse.

>>154099878
And I am saying, Jax would still have abstracted or gone full psycho and Pomni would still have been a guiding light even if they already knew they were brain scans. Kinger revealing it right after Caine's deletion was just a convenient way to make them sad enough for Jax to isolate and do his own thing.
It is never treated as something that will fundamentally change them, all of them had already accepted there was no escape and that they should stick together way before the lore drop.
It's just treated as a square in the mystery box checklist.

>>154099896
Wholly unimportant to the argument. God, where do you brainlets come from? It's like you understand exactly half of every argument then try to brute force confidence your wawy through a response. Are you just pretending to be a retard for fun?
>now give me what's in the text of the story
That's all I've been fucking doing, idiot. You can cherry pick one sentence I said and try to apply it to the rest of my argument but you can't make yourself look smart doing it
>>154099977
>Kinger revealing it right after Caine's deletion was just a convenient way to make them sad enough for Jax to isolate and do his own thing.
Jax was on the verge of abstraction visibly for a couple of episodes, and who knows how much longer he'd been dealing with it? Don't act like this came out of nowhere

>>154100001
I am saying precisely that Jax's abstraction didn't come out of nowhere and that the brain scan reveal only accelerated the process, it's like you are taking what people say and twisting it or deliberately misunderstanding it

>>154099964
No, in the movie Kinger says he only discovered it while browsing the files in episode 8, which leads to its fair share of plot holes (see:>>154097052)

>>154099937
They don't even utter one line to each other in the final episode, biggest missed opportunity of the century but I guess someone will say "that's not the point of the story, Caine had to fix his issues all by himself"

>>154100178
That just means he strongly suspected before and seeing them was the confirmation

>>154099964
>Kinger knew from the get go and was doing fine regarding that specific angle
Not only did he not know from the get go, but he's not doing "fine", dude is literally insane.
>>154097052
>>In episode 7 Caine keeps him away from the others because Kinger knows too much
Kinger knows the Abel is bullshit and that it would be impossible for an original developer to still be active in the circus.because 1. he would already know about their existense and 2. he was like, the second person to join. Caine kept him away because it would be obvious after a very short conversation with Abel that he was an AI
> he says "an escape? But that doesn't make sense". Why wouldn't it make sense?
Because he's been trapped there for almost 20 years and hasn't been able to find one
>And saying that right after the others were tortured and the Circus fell is kind of a dick move
Kinger was in shock too and he had to rip the bandaid off sometime. Reasonable to assume he wasn't really thinking about how it would affect the rest and just wanted to parse the information himself

So sick of you retards assuming that if 100% of characters don't think and act 100% logically 100% of the time, it's a plothole. Kinger was dealing with some shit like the rest of them

>>154100338
That's true, Kinger and Ragatha suspected it and Jax basically already interiorized it with his cartoon logic.
It really didn't change much in the grand scheme of things.

>>154094015
I mean.. they are? Are you retarded? There's more teens online than adults.

>>154092817
Leave it to a troon to write shitty stories.
The last episode was a big ass tharapy session.

Since they are all brain scans. Being abstracted was fucking trivial snd anyone can be bought back with ease.

I am tired of watching troon shows.

So what was the deal with the blue orb other AI thing anyway? What did it mean for Caine (and the blue AI) to release it and why did that make Caine any less awful? What was Bubble?

>>154100787
No, if you don't like this show you're clearly retarded and don't understand gooseworx's genius

>>154100370
This is the case, and most of them even if they hadn't thought of themselves as copies seemed to have accepted that they may just be characters in the circus or something to that effect since before the pilot. It's only after Pomni shows up does anyone give a shit about going back to their real selves again.

>>154090835
because I got hooked into a somewhat interesting premise only to find out all this show boils down to is a tranny's self-therapy session.

thank fuck I never spent a cent on this

Gangle and Zooble had sex. Good movie.

>>154103592
It was more so that Kaufo kept talking about an exit, then abstracted, and literally the next day a new person joins talking about an exit. "Accepting themselves" as characters has nothing to do with it, but yes, most of them had given up on an exit until this.

>>154103666
To add onto this, most of them still dismissed the idea until Caine had made the escape the circus adventure. I don't really think POmni had much to do with it

>>154101088
It was Bubble. Specifically it was a piece of him that was absolutely fucking salty for being usurped.

>>154101088
THANKS FOR PAYING, SUCKER. NOW GO BUY YOUR POMNI POPCORN BUCKET.

>>154094514
>because she was busy
If this is Pomni's reason then she is the biggest idiot in the world and deserved to lose Jax

I want to punch that guy ITT who is vehemently defending this ending by hallucinating things that weren't there, disingenuous cunt

>Jax is trans! Jax is trans!
>Jax's real life person never trooned out even after they got back on their feet
It's the bow part and the cross dressing isn't it? I think Jax was confused more than anything else more than actively being trans. Him lying to himself is a pretty core part of the character and I don't think after years in the circus there is anything left of the "real" Jax.
That and Goose talked about his own experience saying that it was only cross dressing until conversion therapy fucked up his mind and he went down the troon rabbit hole. Make of that as you will.

>>154104258
Sticking together, willing or not, should have been their top priority, considering that if any one of them abstracted there would have been no Caine to fix them up.
This is not realism, this is horror B-movie tier idiocy.

>>154104258
>Pomni is approached by Jax while in the middle of something
>Jax starts to talk buy goes "nevermind" before he even gets a word out
>Pomni is probably thinking "I'll follow up with him later when I'm not in the middle of something and he's more ready to talk"
>Pomni regrets not saying something
>OMG POMNI IS AN EVIL IDIOT AND SHE DESERVES JAX'S BLOOD ON HER HANDS!!!1!!

Remember, this is the exact level of idiot you're debating on the quality of this finale

>>154104328
>[Cooper Goodwin] talked about his own experience saying that it was only cross dressing until conversion therapy fucked up his mind and he went down the [castration cult] rabbit hole. Make of that as you will.
I make of it that the therapist did a shit job. His parents should've found a better one.

>>154104588
It's not like whatever she was doing had to be done just then and only by her, she wasn't stopping the circus from destabilizing or anything, and the others were helping as well.
Plus, for Pomni to see Jax start lashing out at others earlier and stares at him as he reaches out for once, hesitates again, and leaves is too forced.

Goose could have written it to where she tried to say something but he tells her to fuck off, since he's apparently supposed to always push people away, until she decides to leave him alone from now, but for some reason Pomni chooses now to not constantly support and try to understand him.

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>>154090835
Yeah, it wasn't that good. They could have cut the entire segment of the "Isn't She Lovely" bit and nothing would have been lost. Jax part felt way too long, and the stuff with Caine far too short. The animation was decent - I'll give it that.

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>Scratch abstraction isn't explained.
>How the non>C&A people got in the circus isn't adressed.
>Kinger is actually close to Ragatha during the flashbacks, creating a giant plothole about she not knowing about the bright lights situation.
>In fact, the Caine "modifiers" plot point is completely forgotten about.
>Multiple games on the flashbacks works with duos, except there is only like 5 people on the circus.
>The other 4 unnamed non>C&A people goes unmentioned and their fates are never explained.
>Somehow Caine has returned.
>Caine is the chill AI while Abel is the evil one, completely contradicting episode 8 beginning, or maybe it was a "subversion", who knows?
>Moon still exists despite she being created by Caine.
>Kinger says "Pomni was the quickest to adapt".What does this even mean? She isn't a literal retard that keeps sobbing about her life? Is she smarter than the C&A staff that all got abstracted by unexplained reasons?
>Jax abstraction looks like a fever dream state where he hallucinates multiple scenarios, which makes the situation of the other abstractions completely inconsistent since the trigger of most of them goes unexplained. Was Kaufmo that dumb to not notice he could conjure the exit door? Is his fever dream just the fucking door?
>They complained about Caine torture, but treat abstractions like zoo animals.

>>154090835
Where even IS the finale? It's not on the jewtube channel, like they said they were gonna do.

>>154105616
>>Moon still exists despite she being created by Caine.
There is a line about Caine not remembering creating Moon.

>>154105616
>Scratch abstraction
Irrelevant, though his appearance in the movie is the worst fucking placed flashback without being obvious it's a flashback
>Non-C&A People
Explained in plenty of places, though maybe not official or in-series - they were either real estate-related(prepping the C&A building for sale) or Urban Explorers going into the abandoned building or in Jax's case, homeless looking for shelter, which also ties into how they're local to each other for the bus scene to happen
>Kinger/Ragatha
Kind of fair point, but Ragatha in general has been stated by Goose to just kind of "be" there and not well thought out.
>Modifiers
Breadcrumbs for the audience toward the brainscan outcome or at least hint they're not real people/minds, nothing more
>flashbacks/"playercount"
Fair, I always felt like there were very few people total, you'd think with how fucking huge the dorm hall was and how many empty doors there were, there'd be more sometimes, even abstracted
>Caine returns
Hinted at slightly by the color returning to the Circus before he's visible, but again, as with Scratch, this was REALLY fucking poorly shown as transitions/scene changes rather than flashbacks and time fuckery.
>Caine vs Abel/Bubble
This one I'm torn on. Caine is the Red AI, so he should've been the batshit one, not Blue/Bubble/Abel. But it shows Blue as the one egging him on before removal. Could hand-wave it as "Oh it's just pissed from being absorbed by Caine" but I don't like that. Otherwise, showing his dot grow into a more humanoid shape as it evolved did help explain his growth a little.
>Moon
Part of the circus, static, despite relative sentience
>Torture/Abstractions
I mean, what else could they do about it? Touching them fucked them up too.
The bigger plot hole is that Caine can snap away the Abstraction-glitching on Pomni/Ragatha/etc, surely he can undo a full one. At least until you remember he can't control their free will, and Abstraction is a choice

>>154105765
>Irrelevant
Why bring it up then

>>154090835
Its extremely good if youre a very specific type of fan
>jax is my favorite character
>caine is my second favorite
>jax suffering isnt a bad thing because i dont want to fuck jax

>>154091584
I say, with only spoilers of the finale to go off, it wasn't really to either end with 1-8.
Had a couple amusing moments, way too much therapy speak.

If it had ended with episode 8, it might have been better. A true inversion of the supposed inspiration from No Mouth, Must Scream where they killed their digital god, and must now live with the remainder.

From what I have heard, it basically undermines that by bringing Cane back, showing them their real selves (because his 90s mainframe can access wifi for some reason) and them basically all being fine with that and their corrupted friends remaining corrupted.

>>154105861
I honestly don't know. My assumption, and you know what they say about assuming, is that they showed it as a flashback to when Caine figured out how to turn brainscans into, well, the cast. There at least is some background for this, when Caine mentions he finally figured out how to do it somewhere along the line, I forget which ep or which cast member it was. Him bringing Scratch in, shown to us as a memory, was the start of the sequence where he got ahold of the wi-fi, grew from the dot to the humanoid shape, and learned that there was more to a Human's life than just adventure. Simple existing shit like birthdays and hangouts and opening bars or graduating or getting a mundane-ass job.

>>154099213
Books? Not that i recall. Games like Talos Principle and Blue Prince have a similar vibe with giant empty architectural spaces

>>154105696
In movie theaters for a couple weeks. Then the freeloaders get dibs.

>>154096440
Piranesi was quite a trip. Legit one of my favorite books.

>>154106725
I recall it fondly but found the pacing frustrating. I felt like I spent have my reading time waiting for the next clearly signposted plot beat.

Oh yeah, House of Leaves is pretty similar to Piranesi. Although it has even more chaff if all you care about is the weird house aspect.

>>154090835
it pretty much explained the main mistery of the show, it sent off one of its main characters and gave the rest of the characters some closure and hope despite their situation

i was satisfied, it wasnt perfect but it was good

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>>154106782
House of Leaves was neat, but I likely wouldn't have been as enthusiastic to make it through it if I weren't playing the DOOM wad inspired by it at the same time.

>>154105616
The idea of games having duos is only ever used for cheap, elementary school level drama of one person not wanting to play with the other today and so they get depressed.

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>>154090835
The finale was perfectly serviceable. Caine deserved his happy ending and Jax being cucked will forever be hilarious.

>>154108406
It was serviceable but I would've liked more polish on Caine's return and less faffing around pointlessly with Jax's traumas and shit. He's dead now and can't turn back, it should've been implied through Ragatha's flashback POV watching Jax/Ribbit/Kaufmo and served as a danger that could've made her abstract too that Pomni stops.

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>>154100370
I like how you didn't even address this one, why use this extremely specific wording?

>>154104328
do you honestly think that jax self-sabotaged and basically killed multiple people because he couldn't get over wanting to crossdress? anything but him having gender dysphoria and being trans is 4chud cope

>>154110863
If that truly was the end goal, why is IRL Jax not trans?

>>154111004
>a guy dressing up as a girl has nothing to do with autogynephilia
Sure...

>>154111191
Some people just wanna be pretty

>>154111200
So be pretty if you're a woman. If.

>>154111201
Males can be pretty too

>>154111191
even terminally online people somehow still think that crossdressing implies you're bi or even fucking gay when internet is overrun by agp transbians who completely disprove it
to them being attracted to men is such an alien concept that they legit don't understand that crossdressing/sissy/humiliation stuff isn't needed at all for two guys to fuck
the amount of coping about jax being vaguely queer or bi or even gay is crazy
desu my crackpot theory is since straight men are the only ones who have agp they just kinda skitter around the concept and don't wanna even bring up/entertain it because admitting that so many of them themselves have even a tiny urge for this stuff is too embarrassing/personality crisis-inducing

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>>154111230
>straight men are the only ones who have [autogynephilia]
What about the ones who pursue male partners?

>>154099965
For the People who know spanish, Add English subtitles, here is the clearest list of complaints and defects about this stupid series that died after episode 5.

https://youtu.be/lRyfXguN-lc?si=lfiPE3fnfzQ5hBaX

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The ending everyone expected: A happy but tragic ending. Some die because of Caine and Bubble, Jax betrays the group but gets his just deserved karma when he's trapped in the circus forever, Kinger sacrifices himself, and Pommi manages to escape.

The ending we got:
https://youtu.be/F9CGFhmdmkA?si=jvJmADvezvuUrb6c

>>154111244
the creator of this typology literally calls them pseudo-bisexual because they are still only attracted to a female version of themselves and the guy who's fucking them is a faceless prop to validate their femaleness
they have zero attraction to men and will always settle with a woman

>>154111276
So it's still a fetish for the self being seen as a woman. It's still autogynephilia.

>>154111276
Blanchard stuff is so dumb lol

>>154111248
Oh Miko...

>>154111283
i mean yeah that's literally what my original post was about lol

>>154111284
and yet perfectly describes every /lgbt/ trans reddit user, amazing

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>>154090835
3 years for nothing, This is what happens when a series is poorly balanced, badly scripted, unfaithful to its source material even after being sponsored as such, Poor planning and bad timing.
Because yes, the show's main problem, along with bad writing and poor creative decisions, is Time.

This is among several other general problems with the show, Above all, the rushed pacing for such a short series (Byproduct of lack of time), lore-baiting (the main appeal of this type of series destroyed in episode 6), unnecessary subplots that overshadow the main plot, Poor approach, and above all, poor internal management and a lack of time for proper development.

In other words, they present a good series with potential qualities, a solid structure, and a captivating story, but all of this falls apart as the episodes progress, depriving you of what it initially offers.

(Basically, the hypocrisy of a politician on the campaign trail.)
A good introduction isn't enough; you have to start well and finish well. It was mathematically possible, so I don't understand why they didn't do it, why do they threw The Order overboard?
Another issue would be cheesy Tumblr tropes, like trying to give the lesser antagonist that is Jax a cheesy redemption by Pomni trying to "save" him instead of giving him a satisfying punishment.

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>>154111299
I mean, he repelled everyone, tortured everyone for fun, and was responsible for several humans going into abstraction in the first place.
Besides, Pomni isn't spared either.
How we go from a timid and always scared moe jester girl at the edge of insanity to a... a female Steven Universe in a jester's outfit... who smothers the guy who's been strangling her for a very long and uncomfortable scene.
And that, That ending sucks, the creator didn't know how to manage all of this correctly, and the project fell apart. I mean, yes, right now it's riding the hype, and despite the criticism, many people are going to watch it, which is why Glitch is making an obscene amount of money.

Which is fine.
This will be good financially for Glitch, but it won't be good for its reputation, and I'm sure that inevitably some fanfic will appear with a much better development and conclusion than this ending that the hype is the only thing keeping it afloat.

And it will happen that someone does a better job fixing that ending and giving the general public what they wanted: a happy but tragic ending that is spectacular, epic and truly satisfying to watch.
(As expected, given that from the beginning it was promoted as being based on "I have no mouth and I must scream," I mean, if you're going to reference a worthy work, you're not going to give your audience such a rancid ending)

>>154090835
/co/ didn't like it, even the people who've become quite attached gave it 5/10 unless they're shills. (aka not /co/)

>>154111269
Basically.

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>>154090835
the ending was a 6/10 which makes it the better than any other tubmlr-core show which will try to drag itself on forever in an effort to please fans

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>>154101244
>don't understand gooseworx's genius

Don't you mean Gooseworx's retardation?

>Gooseworx creates a show based on a short story
>He doesn't understand the subtext of I have no mouth and I must scream
>Turns the 30 minute film into a therapy session

The whole entire film fucking sucked. I'm glad I didn't spend money on a troon show and watched this on a pirated streaming site.

Why combine the episode 8 with 9 as a "Full feature film" when you could of made episode 9 a 1 to 2 hour feature film itself, and you would of have enough time to explain more and go above and beyond. Instead you chose to do 30 minutes.... 30 - fucking -minutes.

Fuck you Gooseworx! You're a shitty story teller.

>>154103625
I'm there with you.

>>154111394
Slop-eaters have awful tastes

>>154105765
>Caine can snap away the Abstraction-glitching on Pomni/Ragatha/etc, surely he can undo a full one.


Which makes Abstraction trivial since all the characters are brain scans and Cain can easily bring all of them back with ease.

>>154111401
Honestly, this show didn't even need to be 9 episodes long, in the end it had so little to say that it could have worked as a single feature film.
The creator never seemed to have a clear vision for where the story was heading (just look at how they react to Kaufmo's abstraction in the pilot, it was clearly meant to be more of a dark comedy), and only ever cared about Jax for some psychosexual reason.
20 or 100 episodes wouldn't have fixed anything when there was nothing to say or explore in the first place other than trauma dumping, copying from better works, and a vague "finding meaning in a stagnant life".

>>154111542
That's why films like the matrix fucking suck.

This is why Disney executives said, " We're making a movie, not hundreds of millions of dollars of therapy."

The only reason why we are seeing success of TADC is because of gooners. That is it.

>>154111599
I dunno where you went but my theater was like 90% teenage girls. I felt kinda gross being in there and was glad I didn't go alone.

>>154111401
>Gooseworx creates a show based on a short story
>>He doesn't understand the subtext of I have no mouth and I must scream

where was this ever hinted at and no a youtuber saying it doesnt count

>>154111401
>Why combine the episode 8 with 9 as a "Full feature film" when you could of made episode 9 a 1 to 2 hour feature film itself, and you would of have enough time to explain more and go above and beyond. Instead you chose to do 30 minutes.... 30 - fucking -minutes.
I literally said this the day after the brazillian dub leaked, the mother of missed opportunities
but it made me realized that cooper doesn't care about the structure of a story and only cares about projecting his personal ventures to the audience because that's what gets him off

>>154111635
>where was this ever hinted at and no a youtuber saying it doesnt count


Tell me you didn't read the short story of I have no mouth and I must scream with out reading the short story.

>>154111651
>cooper

Gooseworx's real name is cooper?

>>154111671
>couldn't point to anything
well i know goose said the show was about jax and pomni. i know the first episode has pomni being depicted as a christ like figure in a last supper scene in the first episode. i know the final episodes moral lesson is about forgiveness with pomni willing to abstract with jax if it means making his abstraction less painful. seems to me you guys watched a bible story and simply claimed its an IHNM because some group of people got stuck in a computer

>>154111695
Motherfucker, are you trolling? Do you seriously need a comparison?

I'm not gonna bother, because you never read the book. You're too retarded to get the reference.

>>154111705
literally everyone has read the stupid fucking story youre not special. maybe just admit youre a stupid dumbass teenager who took the word of a youtuber as gospel. there were plenty of theories and the only one that turned out true were the one saying pomni is christ. Gooseworx in an oneyplays ep even joked about how no one in the fanbase could see this coming. she was probably talking about people like you

pomi should have made a gun and started blowing the casts brains out when cain died just like my favorite stupid fucking story. why didnt she?

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>>154111730
Now I know you never read the book, because you are retarded.

>>154111752
image showing up to a pg-13 movie for kids and thinking someone is going to make torture porn about their favorite characters. like imagine what was going through this anons head when 7 year olds were walking in the theater with their parents

>>154111730

IHNMIMS: An all-powerful AI named AM traps the last five remaining humans inside a vast, inescapable underground complex, torturing them for eternity.

TADC: An AI ringmaster named Caine keeps a handful of humans trapped inside a vast, inescapable virtual reality sandbox, forcing them into endless, mind-numbing "adventures."

AM (Allied Mastercomputer): Tortures the humans out of pure, burning malice. It hates humanity for creating it with sentience but trapping it in a machine body. It modifies their bodies and minds specifically to maximize their agony.

Caine: Tortures the humans out of pure incompetence. He doesn't hate them; he actually thinks he’s entertaining them. But because he is an AI who doesn't understand human psychology, his attempts to keep them happy—combined with his total control over their virtual bodies—result in psychological horror.

IHNMIMS: When Ted manages to kill the other humans to save them from AM, AM punishes him by turning him into a soft, mouthless, jelly-like creature with no sense of time, unable to even kill himself. ("I have no mouth, and I must scream.")

TADC: When a human loses their sanity entirely from the isolation and lack of purpose, they lose their human identity and transform into an "Abstracted" monster—a glitching, faceless mass of eyes and black goo. Caine then locks them away in the cellar forever.

>>154090835
at this point, i am fully convinced that Glitch is secretly demanding that their show runners give their shows happy/good endings. happened with Murder Drones too (V's fake out death for example). it feels extremely anti-climactic to reveal that the whole cast were actually still alive in the real world and living happy lives the entire time. i don't feel anything over Jax's (or anybody else's) abstraction because i know they ended up living happy lives in the real world. it's like Glitch is too scared to actually kill off any characters because they're scared that it will make the kids in the audience sad. again, a problem that also happened in Murder Drones (the main cast at least). Doll was also heavily implied to have been killed off, but then in the credits of the last episode, she comes back as what appears to be an oil ghost, so in other words, technically not dead

caine's redemption is also retarded. why does he suddenly become sane and care about treating everybody nicely? they even wrote a list of things they "liked" about him and he just cut them off before they could even read the list. i refuse to believe that this is a character capable of redemption. also, how did he not actually get deleted? is it supposed to be like one of those instances of deleted files that can be recovered through certain software?

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>>154111635
It's mentioned countless times as an inspiration, including Caine's song.
It's even in the original pitch bible.
Goose also said that Caine was based off AM and some guy from an object show (Four from BFB).

>>154111782
so why didn't pomni just start killing everyone when cain died. why did she almost sacrifice herself for jax, why does the show constantly have cain being called a god and everything gets worse without him. probably because its a bible story for kids

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>>154111773
>Imagine watching a troon film to groom kids into troons.

>>154111797
well actually its a story about lawnmower man because they get stuck in a machine with a tyrant too

>>154090835
So it was all basically like SOMA . Very disappointed in the final. Could have been better if it wasn't so heavily Jax centered. Friend who has never seen anything digital circus said it was too depressing and left a bad taste.

what was it about pomni that hinted towards her killing everyone to escape the circus

>>154092634
But he’s not dead. He suffering forever in pure agony, just like everyone else of abstracted, which also means that Queenie, Kaufmo, and the others are all suffering too. Despite that, none of them think it might be right to just put them all out of their misery, and instead cage them up like animals, while they continue to be happy.

>>154090835
Them selling merch at the end of the movie feels so dystopian.

>>154111798
Look at this anon >>154111797

Looks like I'm fucking right. Now concede, retard.

>>154111831
>[letting a castration cultist produce media aesthetically targeted at children is] dystopian
Minor fix.

>>154111825
>and the others are all suffering too

Except their reallife selfs are living their best lives, while their brain scanned versions are watching Instagram real of themselves.

The Scene where Cain shows who they are was fucking Cringe. How would a brain scan would know about them having facebook/instagram accounts?

>>154111835
concide what you moron. there are countless story that use it at reference point like lawnmower man and they make it out. TRON is a story that uses it as reference and they get a happy ending lmao. in what world does a pg-13 movie play out like i have no mouth WITHOUT a happy ending you fucking dunce

>>154111854
Who cares? Goose clearly didn’t.

>>154111854
But we as the audience don’t care about their real selves because we haven’t been following them for years up until now.

>>154111878
>Goose clearly didn’t.

Yeah it shows. That is why the final act was utter shit.

>>154111869
He's not saying that it should had Ragatha sleeping with everyone and Pomni mercy killing everyone with icicles, he's saying that despite being an inspiration Goose got all the interesting themes from the original wrong

>>154111901
using another's story doesn't make it a retelling and force the writer to use ALL the themes. by his definition lawnmower man and tron are products of a creator who really doesn't give a shit and should be shunned because it doesn't use EVERYTHING (literally just torturing them) and gives them a happy ending. the last supper scene should have clued you all in on the fact that this was never going to play out like that

>>154111854
I was referring to the other characters that abstracted, Einstein.

>>154090835
I don't get how anyone liked it.

>The characters you have grown to know and possibly care about find out that they're separated digital beings that can't go back to their original lives
>They now know they have to live this way forever until one of the following things happen
>1. Go insane and abstract - one of them going will probably lead the rest down a doomed spiral, and the finale didn't show them fixing abstractions
>2. Cain going insane again, and likely abusing them
>3. Computer gets unplugged, they're now sitting unknowing and unpowered in a landfill somewhere [likely the best case honestly]
>4. Someone or some company finds their files and starts doing stuff with them - likely horrible results from this
>5. Another AI, likely better than Cain, finds them all and begins doing stuff with them - likely an even more horrible result

The cherry on top of this is that Glitch decided that it was somehow important to spend so much time showing that the real life characters were doing well now. Why care? They're disconnected from the digital crew the audience was supposed to care about, to the point where the digital cast doesn't even want to use their old names anymore even after finding them out. This also brings some relief to them, but you have to imagine it will also bring jealousy.
>Why didn't they turn out to be the brainscan, and I got to go on living
>It should be me out there
>I should be happier, I would be happier if I were out there

Like honestly what a dark ending. There is literally zero positive spin for the digital characters, other than possibly being deleted and let finally die. Glitch could have at least given them a glimmer of hope if they had shown one of the abstractions coming back, just as a last second thing. That way they could leave a message of something like, no matter how bad it gets you can find a way to fix things up again. Nope though. Fuck you. Fuck the characters. Enjoy this tragic ending.

>>154111950
Also why would Kinger treat his wife like some zoo animal and let her be put in an aquarium for everyone to watch all the abstracted people suffer. They are clearly still in there as shown with Jax and Queenie.

>>154111998
Doesn’t matter. The characters are happy, and the show is over.

>>154111998
Better than just being left to rot in a dank, dark cellar I guess. Maybe they have hidey holes they can go sleep in like eels or something.

Is it explained how they got the brain scans of the characters? (Besides Gangle) ?

>>154112047
Scratch wrote the code to do it, though Kinger said he doesn't understand how. He said the files were impossibly small too. So the headsets that were apparently just left out and about for random people to find were able to do a brainscan like an MRI, and wirelessly send them to the folder where they were then plopped into the circus automatically.

>>154112047
Kinger and his team got scanned while working for C&A. Pomni used the headset while doing urbex. Ragatha was a realtor who visited the building. Jax did it while he was a squatter there. For Gangle it must be related to her hospital stay. Unclear how Zooble, Ribbit and Kaufmo got in vincinity of the scanner

>>154112103
>Zooble
DYEWTS? She also did urbex.
>Ribbit
Mormon instincts to intrude on people's property would likely lead to her digging around the C&A offices.
>Kaufmo
Prank gone wrong.

>>154112177
>kaufmo
the janitor who thought the headset looks funny

>>154111299
Is this copypasta? I swear I've read something like this outside of 4chan few days ago.

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>>154111869
>lawnmower man

Except in the film of lawn mower man, the guy wasn't even an Ai, Just a psychotic dude.

In the Book, Lawn mower man had NOTHING to do with virtual reality. Just a psychotic dude who wore a rotting corps of a deer and killed people.

Once again you do not read books. Nigga, get a library card.

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>>154111797
>the original pitch bible
Link? Seems pretty interesting.

>>154112198
yes the movie doesn't need to use 100 percent of the source material and uses theme of NM (digital world ruled by a tyrant) as a vehicle to tell its story just like digital circus, its very clear to me you want goose to make an exact copy of NM and most of media would show you that is never going to be the case

>>154112177
Kaufmo does have big janitor energy

>>154112193
Yeah it was used for Murder Drones

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>>154112186
>>154113237
I like this headcanon. It doesn't hurt that it makes his final act of making his room all messy deliciously ironic.

>>154090835
>/co/ liked it
No I didn't.

>>154099775
Clearly doesn't concern you then.

>>154092607
Agred with what you said. I wish it was expanded upon in some places, maybe add another 20 or 30 minutes to clarify things, but otherwise turned out good/fine.

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>>154112256
It was paywalled behind the Glitch Inn thing along with some Murder Drones stuff, I could find only some images and they're from fucking Kiwifarms, google the Glitch Inn Files

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>>154113821
I noticed the watermark, but thanks for pointing me to KF, I didn't think to check there. Also Goose's name being Cooper just makes me think of picrel.

>>154111401
Someone need to put english subtitles here.
https://youtu.be/lRyfXguN-lc?si=PYmPPmJP8LhU6-t8

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>>154112193
>>154113244
Yeah but anon have a point here.

>>154111305
>but it won't be good for its reputation
MAximum cope

>>154111854
>How would a brain scan would know about them having facebook/instagram accounts?
They literally show Caine connecting to the Internet, retard.

It's interesting to see people saying
>Man, the brain scan thing is lame, we should've had Pomni escaping as the ending!
When the whole show was heavily hinting that this was the case and even made fun of the theory of escaping in an episode. This was a pretty logical progression to an ending of accepting their fates and making the best of it.
Whether or not that's a story you like, that would be up to you, but it's not like this came out of nowhere with nothing to support it.

>>154112264
>yes the movie doesn't need to use 100 percent

I didn't say it needed to use 100% of the source. Do you know what the fuck a homage is?

Nigga, go get a library card and learn to read.

This pitch right here: >>154111797
Already proves my point and here you are, being an ignorant motherfucker going, "nuh uh, not true, muh jesus!"

they admit to putting on a headset and being unable to take it off
but never considered why the people that came after didn't see their corpses with a headset on

>>154098708
if you seriously thought this was for kids you might seriously need to consider if you have a mental disability

>>154117399
Consider that the putting on the headset would be their very last memory during the brain scan, of course the digital versions would have the first thought of "Let me take this thing off now" while their real counter parts are like "Eh, this is lame" and take it off.

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>>154117357
I kept telling people, the instant Kinger revealed they don't *need* to sleep at the end of EP 1 it completely took any kind of life-support pod/SAO-style coma situation out of the runnings, or any other permutation of the idea that requires their physical body to still be involved, but barely anyone would listen.

>>154117440
you have the tism?