Adam and Abel confirmed straight.
>>154095718what are they looking at
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>"NO THEY AREN'T! HOLYGATES IS CANON! FUCK YOU VIV!!!!!"
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>>154095718Confirming two popular characters as straight through the medium of Pride Month merchandise is a power move the likes of which other creators only wish they had the balls to do.
>>154095718Dont forget Lute confirmed as homophobic who refuses to do Pride month merch.
sera is my gay wife now
>>154095718What a fun fucking shitshow this has been.>M/M shippers of all kind melting down>Adam and Abel roleplayers making reluctant statements that they're going to stop shipping with men even if they don't want to because for some reason they think sticking strictly to canon sexuality is a moral duty and doing otherwise would open the doors for double standards with queer characters (is it aspergers? Vague awareness of how retarded fandom culture has begun but not quite grasping the point?)>Unironic fucking straight pride art of Adam and Abel starting to dropI couldn't have scripted this better myself. Bravo Viv.
>>154096118Kek
PUSSY. DESTROYER.
>>154095718>Adam>straightHe knew who Angel Dust was.>inb4 he watched it for the plot
>>154096162He could have seen the advertisements and posters when he went down on extermination duty. You can easily deduce his profession from that.
>>154096162>A guy who saw hundreds of Angel Dust billboards in Hell and led a rambunctious all-female army knew who Angel Dust isWaow
>>154096162angel dust meeting someone who genuinely thinks he's a good actor beyond his horny powers is kinda wholesome and cute won't lie.
>>154096070Based. All that's left to do is for Lute to call Sera a "faggot" next season or season 4 and I'll be happy.>>154096118The AA fans seem to be taking it relatively well, insofar as they're more>"oh yeah? We'll just produce even moar fanart and ship fics to make up for it then!"while the AbelXSt Peter fans are on fucking suicide watch, lmao.Straight Sera ships, like PenSera fans, seem to be taking it well enough as well.
>>154096190AA fans have the advantage of already being able to ignore canon since adam's dead as fuck and sinner adam is confirmed not a thing. no such practice for the ASP crowd.
>>154096190AA fans have been acting like complete lunatics( because they have brain damage). What platform are you using? Because they are having a meltdown.
I'm not sure it was very Straight Ally of Adam when he was backing Lute up with obscene gestures while she sang about how fucked up Angel Dust is
>>154096198Must be my twitter feed, because the ones I've encountered on there aren't acting like the AbelXSt Peter shippers I've encountered who are very upset at the news.
>>154096198tumblr for me, i've only seen one meltdown. the rest are mpreg posting as normal.
>>154096210Tumblr is very chill these days. The worst elements went to Twitter in 2018 like poison from a wound.
>>154095718>Adam and Abel confirmed straightWell their point of existence required them to be straight
>>154095718This show is highly satanic because it has DEMONS and HOMERSEXUALS
>>154096240This is the straight angel thread buddy. Demons and homersexuals are down the hall and to the left.
>>154096240No demons and two less homersexuals confirmed, bro.
>>154096205He's fine with gay people but not if they're sinners. You can be a fag and not a sinner so there's no excuse if you ended up in hell.
>>154096240When you say homersexuals I think of people horny for the Greek poet Homer.
>>154096332a sinner coping that the only reason they're in hell is because they're gay and getting shot down by adam with the real reason they're in hell right before they die would be kinda funny.
>>154096118>Unironic fucking straight pride art of Adam and Abel starting to dropNo fucking way. Got a source? I really don't want to see the degenerate things I would find searching. I cannot fathom Viz being dumb enough to not appease every redditor by making literally everyone LGBTQ, Then being so dumb you have them represent straight pride, the bane of her fan base.
>>154096354Did you see the pride merch? The black and white stripes are the heterosexual flag. The small rainbow means ally, so the outfits they were given mean 'straight but not homophobic'. In the merch Adam and Abel both dye their wings black and white to represent the fucking straight flag.
>>154096354Hazbin twitter fans are having a meltdown over them being straight. Viv actually had sneaky tweet trying to calm the waters before the storm except it didn't do anything. I wonder if this experience will buckbreak her into caving in for the fags demands or she will make even more characters straight out of spite. If she makes all Eden humans straight I will kneel.
>>154096353Such a scene would have been amazing. A piece of shit deluding themselves into thinking they're a misunderstood victim only to face the awful truths that they're an objectively bad person who deserves damnation. Lucifer deserves this type of treatment.
>>154096354>Got a source? The official pride merch
>>154096401What is Emily? Pan?
Abel being straight is the biggest plot twist the show has had
>>154096415"Unlabelled/questioning"
>>154096070this confirms adam is not as homophobic is which is also very funny
>>154096433So Radiojoy can still happen
>>154096371why the FUCK wasn't millie wearing gay ally colours in the helluva boss one. is she a bigot
>>154096393'i went to hell because i'm gay!''no bitch, you're in hell because you got jealous of your girlfriend's dog, dumped it in the woods and told her it ran away. fuck is wrong with you?''oh.''she's dating the guy who rescued it now by the way. that must really suck for you.' 'what?!''you're also in hell for hating bi bitches.'
>>154096162it's not gay if he watches the drag specials.
>>154096401Isn't the one in the center a girl? How can they be gay and not lesbian? I am assuming trans?
>>154096487the rainbow covers all of the various bullshit sexualities, its not gay man only. not sure why it's so nonspecific though.
>>154096487Hellaverse merch uses the blue toothpaste flag for gay men (see Angel Dust's standee) and the genetic rainbow as a generic 'queer but no specific label'.
Need more art of straight ally Adam with Lute, so aesthetically pleasing
I find it ironic the characters in heaven are celebrating pride. You know, pride, one of the seven deadly sins of Catholicism. >>154096505Yeah, because if their outfits aren't their assigned degeneracy, then the fanbase shouldn't be flipping out on anyone. Adam could just be wearing straight pride but be gay as springtime under inconsistent outfits. >>154096433They have a god damn flag for everything don't they.
>>154095740A cool heaven bug on the gorund
>>154096144Come on, we all know he's a 9000 year old virgin
>>154096715He definitely banged a couple of angel ladies.
>>154096733No he didn't. Even the Heaven versions of Robofizzes/Kittys laughed at his "inadequacies" lmao.
>>154096733He's too much of a went blanket to try anythingOne of the major reasons Adam was disappointed in Abel was because after 9000 years living in heaven, he never tried to get with any angel.>I mean come on dude, you could work the pity sex angle so easily>"Oh I'm Abel, I died young cause my bitch ass brother murdered me and I never got to find Love or feel the touch of a sexy woman">It's that easy kid. You'd get Powers by the dozen if you say some shit like that, maybe even get a girlfriend>But no, you've got spaghetti to spill
>>154096829I can't believe Abel fingered Lute in front of everyone there.
>>154096733i imagine it was a tidus and jecht situation where the second abel started flirting with a girl he'd be struck by nightmares of them running off with his dad while his dad yells 'you with a woman? you can't even catch a ball!' so his relationships never went anywhere.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkXazfQeg14
>>154096899>>154096901Abel/Lute works precisely because they're both virgins with spaghetti to spill.
>>154096921In-universe sure, but from the viewer's perspective it gets kinda weird because it's Lute banging her love interest's son.
>>154096918Abel and Adam having a dynamic similar to Tidus and Jecht is interesting. Were Adam actually cares about his son but doesn't really show his feelings. Abel also being too much of a doormat to actually see that his father is trying to prepare him hardships that will come.
Hopefully this means less Adam/Lucifer fics and more Adam/Stella fics.
>>154097210We can only hope.
>>154097188that's how i've always assumed their dynamic was, desu. adam still gets to be a dick while abel is justified in feeling like adam doesn't like him, but the love was there and the tragedy is that abel is too scared to ask him to show it and adam is too scared (and possibly scarred from losing abel in the first place because cain thought adam preferred abel) to show it freely. >>154097210adam/stella is so chronically underrated. funniest part is octavia and abel becoming stepsiblings.
>>154096401W-Where is Lute?
Any signs of a bluray release for season 2? I need Viv commentary on the Hear My Hope interlude
>>154097798i think she posted a hint about recording it a while back, but since we didn't get the one for season one until around two came out, i wouldn't be surprised if we don't see it until three.
>>154096205He only likes lesbians. Important distinction.>>154096415There is an official render of that standee with Pan Emily. It's in the website but looks like it was scrapped.>>154097097That's the good shit. I will kneel if Viv gets that messy. >>154096198Will concur with the other anons, I haven't seen any AA meltdowns. The Peter fans have been screaming about it
Adam and Lute called Vaggie and Charlie's same-sex relationship an abomination. Vaggie and that other Angel were reprimanded and beaten for having a same-sex relationship in heaven.
>>154096190>All that's left to do is for Lute to call Sera a "faggot" next season or season 4 and I'll be happy.Why did reading this make my peepee hard
>>154096921Abel/Lute is fucked up because she’d only do it to use him as a replacement for Adam, always picturing him when they fuck and kiss. But because Lute never officially dated Adam, it’s not like incest or some weird shit like that, as it was never a real relationship. Still messed up though.
>>154098027>because Lute never officially dated Adam, it’s not like incest or some weird shit like that, as it was never a real relationshipBut Abel is her and Adam's son
>>154098027And that's based. That level of insanity would be amazing to explore but the focus right now is to woobify Valentino so we may not get it. >>154098037>Still thinking Eve is Lute is canon I'm not even going to get into it with you but whatever you consider proof doesn't sway me>T. Wife swap truther
>>154096162>>154096172>>154096173I think he just googled "angel porn" and learned about Angel Dust that way.
>>154098027The smut written for them is nevertheless especially good.works/74505426
>>154098037I'm pretty sure she's Eve, and it's going to be really weird for all the Abel/ Lute shippers once that's out
>>154096580pretty sure that's just the regular pride flagquestioning has no pride flag>you could just draw a questionmark on a pride flag and call it questioning pride
>>154097386>adam/stella is so chronically underrated. funniest part is octavia and abel becoming stepsiblings.Is it weird that I think Adam and Octavia would have a wholesome relationship as step-father and step-child? Like they'd get into friendly arguments over their taste in music, he'd regale her with stories of how brutal Earth was after the fall, and they'd do over the top impressions of the other. All this while Stella watching with a perplexed smile, not fully realizing she could actually have such a happy life.
>>154098129I would be happy either way. I think Lute being Eve and rekindling a relationship with Adam and Lute not being Eve and starting a burgeoning relationship with Abel are both interesting directions for her story to go.
>>154097405She's too homophobic to attend.
>>154098116There was this smut fic with a sequel where the two of them fuck in his pastel bedroom and tulpa Adam roasted lute about it after. I think one of the lines was "she didn't care how he much he pinned after her for months and how 'dad would totally be supportive" Does anyone have a link? Because I can't find it and maybe the author nuked it
>>154098173oh it'd be absolutely fucking adorable. especially the music thing, he'd give her one of his old guitars so she could transition from acoustic to rock. what about stella and abel? maybe they'd gossip together and i bet he'd LOVE planning parties with her.
>>154098260Fuck it looks like the author did nuke it. I need to start downloading fics I like.
The idea of Adam indulging all of Lute's cruelty and bad impulses but not giving her the love she wants, contrasting with Abel pushing back on her craziness and not putting up with her shitty behavior but actually reciprocating her feelings and committing to her, tickles my brain.
>>154098260If Adam never reciprocated Lute's feelings then honestly he would be supportive of her and Abel having a relationship. He would be happy that his son is becoming a man and that somebody is taking care of Lute.
>>154098506It was actually implied by Viv that he didn't realize her feelings.
>>154098506it'd also mean he can have sex with any girl he wants with the comfort of knowing lute is no longer somehow spying on them to determine the girl's place on her complex algorithmic tier list - she ensures any girl she rates below a B tier never sleeps with adam again. meanwhile adam's standard for pussy is the very simple 'does she want that first dick y/n'. now that she's distracted with abel, he is free.
>>154098273>Stella gets a child who wants to indulge in tea time gossip>She's able to use Abel to get her unicorns and cherubs to come down for her fancy parties>She rubs her Heavenly connections in the face of her fellow socialites>"Yes, that's a unicorn. Quite rare even by Heaven's standards. Of course, it's nothing for someone of my reach!" >"Uh Pillow Tits? Unicorns are pretty much everywh-">"Adam! What did I say about calling me Pillow... What did I say about calling me THAT in public? >"Pillow Tits, what did I say about not giving a fuck? Cause I'm pretty fucking sure I told you I didn't give a fuck!" >Adam then leans in and whispers in her ear>"But I'll be sure to give you a few fucks when all the other drumsticks leave this bucket." >Stella blushes and then turns to her "friends">"Well it is getting rather late and though I don't need it, a little beauty rest never hurt hehe!" >"But Stella, it's only 7-">"I SAID FUCK OFF!"
This has been The greatest unasked for character sexuality reveal Of All Time
>>154099025We needed Lute being straight also, then it would have been perfect
The LGBT movement must be in dire straits if they are even pushing a straight flag.
>>154099130Adam is the kind of guy who would get all huffy about a pride parade mostly just because he wouldn't get a flag and he likes being the center of attention but then Sera told him there's a straight flag now and he can wear a straight flag outfit and ride the parade float and he jumped on that.
>>154099130The straight ally flag has been around for a while. It's black and white stripes with a small rainbow. The same set of usual rainbow caplitalist crap is available for it. It's cute, you can wear this stuff and participate in a pride event while openly signalling you're not LGBT, and it's led to us getting this confirmation that Adam and Abel are canonically straight, which is cool.
>sorry for confirming not everyone is a queer
>>154098838stella would love showing adam off so much. like yeah she bagged the first ever human, she's that bitch. and they'd both never have to worry about the other one staying loyal.
>>154099157lute couldn't come because she refused to wear anything that wasn't the adamsexual flag and sera couldn't let that be legitimised.
>>154099358Its a frustrating statement but at least she’s not taking it seriously. It’s like a joke, not an actual apology.
>>154096118>>154095718Extremely based. Best part of the show too
>>154096162You do realize Angel Dust is famous enough to have posters in the Lust ring, despite not even being able to go there, right?
How long until the next season?
>>154099358>>154099437After seeing the twitter meltdown I can't even be mad at her. When I saw this tweet pre reveal I genuinely thought she was being pathetic for apologising for straight characters but after I realized she was trying to calm down the fujos and mentally prepare them for the straight reveal. I'd didn't work but I respect the hustle.
>>154096441Yeah, they established pretty explicitly in season 1 that Adam was a bit less schizo than Lute in general
>>154099703I'd argue that Adam's YOU ALL SHOULD BE WORSHIPPING ME rant is more schizo than anything Lute has done so far
Pretty sure the Ally thing is supposed to be a cheeky joke. He clearly sexualizes lesbian relationships, and in his monkey brain, that probably means he's supportive of the LGBT
>>154099721Adam is better at hiding it
>>154099621Sadly can't read anything there. Too few pixels.
>>154096118'canon compliant' modern fandom is so fucking weak.
>>154099721Sam have described Lute as bloodthirsty in a way that we haven't seen before, and that although Adam is scary in his own right, he's not that big of a deal as a villain versus Lute. She out-crazies him by like 9,000%.
>>154099731Viv and her team( and fujos in general) sexualize gay men in a fetish way. If that shit doesn't get them excluded you can probably assume Adam gets a pass.
>>154099772he says adam isn't cruel like lute in one interview iirc. like he's a dick but he's not a sadist.
>>154099765Put the phone page on desktop modes, should scale it up
>>154099772>>154099800Sam also thought Abel was bisexual and confessed that he has to make guesses on some things because he does not know as much as Viv.
>>154099721Honestly that rant kinda sucked. Viv should have really tried to give him one point were he was right. It really just boils down to saying random vulgarity.
>>154099800When Adam had Charlie by the throat and was preparing to kill her it looked pretty dang sadistic to me.
>>154099826He alluded to both him and Lute being bi, however, in that same tweet, when he was asked if this is confirmation he said no. So that was never a confirmation, that was just his headcanon for the funnies.
>>154099842Lies
>>154096401>They put a lesbian in charge of HeavenHonestly that explains a lot about the place's incompetence. I luv you Sera but you kinda suck at your job.
Has this guy's sexuality been confirmed yet?
Is this canon now?
I think Adam is sadistic in the sense that he gets a huge thrill out of having power over others (especially women) and Lute is sadistic in the way a dog gets joy out of shaking a squirrel
>>154095921>>154095932>Folks unironically thought the firstborn human and a Hebrew fisherman turned Holy Man from 2000 years ago were the big GayI know it's a bit foolish to drag irl Chirstology into Vivz works but cmon.
Cute
>>154099906Yup he's straight.
>>154099917The Kind Adam would never
>>154099943>Eve but she refuses to wash her clothes ever
>>154099800Jessica Vosk: She loves Adam very very much, no matter where he is and she has decided to um, give us a form of retribution and anger that we have not seen in season oneSam Haft: Adam is boorish and a misogynist and he's cruel, but he is not vicious the way Lute is, and he's almost put off by her viciousness in season 1 / Adam is frightening in his way, in part because he's so powerful, and he has such little consideration for others. But ultimately, as a villain, he is boorish and ignorant.Viv: They were specifically really fun to write 'cause I really like duos and fun duos and I always like… that one henchman that's kind of just too into it. But I like that, yeah, he like weirdly respected it but maybe never knew that she cared that much which is really fun.All that to say: Yeah, Lute is batshit and Adam can't handle all that.
>>154099943>>154100020>Eve(Lute) is still covered in blood and fluids from childbirth days later >Adam is worried that the smell will attract predators but Eve wants to look like a brave survivor>Adam slings her over his shoulder and forces her to bathe in a lake
Adam is dead. Double dead even.
>>154096441Looks like that fanfic headcanon turned out to be canon. I swear every one ive read had the writter make Adam okay with it.
>>154100059Okay so he's saying Adam IS cruel. What he's not is VICIOUS like Lute is, and that sounds almost more feral.
>>154100121Yup,
>>154100129Yeah the wording is pretty different and doesn't really suggest Lute is crueller or more sadistic. She's more unhinged.
>>154100075Cute
>>154097210>Adam/Stella fics.i have literally never seen anyone ship these two, nevermind write fics about it>>154097386>funniest part is octavia and abel becoming stepsiblings.actually, how would those 2 interact?would they get along?>inb4 they would fall hard for eachother, to lutes chagrin
>>154100153Adam is apparently (at least base on these) someone who hurts people because he's arrogant, entitled, careless, & convinced he's right. Lute, meanwhile, seems to derive more personal investment from it. She's the one who takes things seriously. She's the one who commits emotionally. She's the one who is "too into it." Based on Viv's comment, it sounds like Adam treats the Extermination as a game, job and/or entertainment, while Lute attaches much deeper meaning to it. Really all this makes Adam sound less malicious. Not a better person, he's still awful, but less deliberately hateful. Yeah I'm not surprised he's the ally of the two.
>>154096118>and doing otherwise would open the doors for double standards with queer charactersMaybe I have a touch of the tardation and tism but I actually respect this. They don't want to see queer characters straightened so they hold themselves to the standard of not queering straight ones to be consistent in their values.
>>154100258>>154096118I must be in the really parts of the fandom then because all I've seen is people spitting on Abel and Adam being straight, and if you dare to point it out, they accuse you of trying to make heterophobia a thing. Ain't none of these idiots respecting shit
>>154100213this makes him willing to apologise to sera for the courtroom debacle even more fascinating to me. like he sees that she's displeased with him, apologises fairly unprompted and sincerely i felt, and then flies away without a fight. he does still respect sera as his boss even when it's unpleasant for him.
>>154100291>Ain't none of these idiots respecting shitTrue. Let me rephrase: I'd respect people who held themselves to this standard and acted accordingly.
>>154100213>it sounds like Adam treats the Extermination as a game, job and/or entertainmentDeriving enjoyment from other's suffering is sadism by definition. If Lute considers it less a game and more her serious duty then funnily enough Adam is the more sadistic of the two.
>>154100291yeah i think you need to curate your feeds a bit more. i'd say i have a ratio of about 90/10 of either being chill about it or being chill about ignoring it versus people being shitty, and they've already gotten over it now too.
>>154100340Noted! Your side of the feed sound like they're actually sane
>>154100334It also seems that's where his cruelty stops. idk the way Sam describes Adam, it's like he doesn't gauge the consequences of his actions. Lute does and continues anyway. She's a lot more bloodthirsty and passionate about killing sinners.
>>154098280FUCK I was in denial. It's always the fun ones that get the axe. Does the way back machine archive fics?>>154098403It's good shit but this fandom would seethe>>154099548>I thought she was pathetic for apologizingAnon, seriously? Woke LGBT children online are the most entitled, shit stirring, fragile babies imaginable. This show is crack cocaine to them, it is entirely reasonable for Viv to clock an impending meltdown over biblical figures being hetero. I'm surprised you thought this meltdown wouldn't happen.>>154099731This, Adam seems like the type to kill a gay guy coming onto him >>154099875Alex Brightman also voiced his bisexual Adam headcanon. This is why I don't treat random interviews from the crew seriously because this shit is always in flux
>>154100487>Alex Brightman also voiced his bisexual Adam headcanon. This is why I don't treat random interviews from the crew seriously because this shit is always in flux>it is entirely reasonable for Viv to clock an impending meltdown over biblical figures being hetero. I'm surprised you thought this meltdown wouldn't happen.Guys, I'll be completely real. I'm SHOCKED af that Viv actually went through with making Adam and Abel hetero. With the fanarts she's liked, Adam's headcanons, Adam being a fandom fave, her gay fetish... I actually don't know what to make of it. I'm stumped.
>>154100515Isn't this a deathblow to the franchise? The fujos will destroy everything.
>>154100556Yeah... that's why I'm shocked. Why would Viv do that? You'd think she'd milk the Adam being a closeted fag or some shit. I was almost positive she would. No idea what this means. She either hates Adam or she wants the fandom to actually hate him or she's scared of some bad religious juju if she makes him homo, or...?
>>154100515I was stunned too. Pan Abel felt inevitable but fuck, it feels good to know I was wrong. Peter and Lute being confirmed straight would have been glorious. Hell, add lesbian Emily too. That many ships getting sunk would have caused unimaginable shit storms and I wouldn't complain. I think she drew the line with Adam and Abel because they're revered in the Bible and making them boy kissers caused her to step back and think "this might be a step too far". Going by this logic, I 100 percent believe Peter is going to be straight. >>154100556Fujos make straight men kiss each other all the time, without giving a shit about 'canon complaint'. It doesn't matter. Besides, there are other gay ships out there
>>154100487i think he'd have a modicum of patience because of COURSE everyone wants him, so he's never mad at them for being interested in the first place. but if they ignore a polite rejection he stops being polite real quick.
>sera gets to fuck god it's not fair bros...
>>154100588>Fujos make straight men kiss each other all the time, without giving a shit about 'canon complaint'.They cry about representation and draw straight men kissing because being straight doesn't mean shit. But dare make a lesbian kiss a man, all hell breaks loose, 'it goes against canon', respect canon sexualities. It's retarded.>I 100 percent believe Peter is going to be straight.She apparently didn't know Peter was a real person. But anyway, I would be okay with him being a boy kisser. He looks/acts too fruity. But him thirsting after butch women is a win too.Straight Abel and Adam, along with Lesbian Sera is a win in my book. Pan Emily would have been cool. I have fingers crossed for het Lute and Lesbian or Asexual Speaker
Do you guys think they haven't included Lute in merch for spoiler or lore reasons, or does Viv just hate Lute that much? Kinda weird
>>154100655The show depicts Peter as being into dominant women>Buff winner girl>Blushing when Lute threatens himThey'll make him straight but with some mommy kink
>>154100687i think it's spoiler reasons and she's going to get a permanent redesign at the reveal. you don't give a character a near universally loved song like gravity if you hate them.
>>154100586
I cant tell what vivzie wants in characterization of adam
>>154100721Me neither. I'm lost. I used to be so sure sinner Adam wasn't going to to be a thing. But now I don't know what to think. If Viv keeps pleasantly surprising everyone like this, count me in.
>>154100687Spoiler reasons. This would be the first time she shows up with both alive Adam and Abel at the same time and a static piece of merch is not sufficient to convey what the dynamic would be there. We have to wait for the show to return to find out more.
The joke about hell being chock full of gays never gets old
>>154100688>He's just like me.>He's just like me for real!
>>154100586he was literally the base template for man, humanity would be extinct if he were gay. that would be like saying that every man in history was actually gay and merely forced themselves to have sex with women, it sounds ridiculous
>>154100741I mean, wouldn't it have been easy for her to just be there looking miserable or pissed as shit, with Adam being her hallucination, having a fun time with Abel? That wouldn't have given anything away, I don't think. Just sucks that we get no Lute merch.
>>154100721We have to wait and see. With new content I genuinely feel we might be getting some Adam upscale. He's getting included in pride merch and is apparently getting some funko pop/youtooz shit. Maybe Viv is rethinking his character. We'll have to wait for S3.
>>154100786To be fair Adam could have been converted to homosexuality by some angel buttfucking him after his death.
>>154100786Yeah but this is Viv and Hazbin we're talking about. Also, they could have easily put it in that he experimented and stuck his dick in another dude. Adam's been alive for how long now? That's what I'm saying, I'm surprised Viv didn't do that shit.
>>154100741Addendum that fans would analyse the shit out of any placement of Lute with Adam and Abel and judging by Viv's recent apologetic posts she recognizes that the Pride Month merchandise is not the time nor place to be dropping new insights into these decidedly non-LGBT relationships
>>154100721Vivzie barely knows what she wants in her stories in general
Viv didn't want to put Adam, Lute and Abel together and out ALL three of them as het because it'd give away that she's Eve. deadass
>>154100788Fans would bend over backwards to claim Adam isn't actually straight because he's just Lute's hallucination and she wants him to be.
>>154100786Some weirdos apparently want Eve to be a lesbian. Ignoring how absolutely messed up things would become if that's the case. Probably not going to happen since the implications are beyond fucked.
>>154100721dark timeline: adam is revealed as the 'real' original sin. was horribly abusive to both lilith and eve, but explicitly wasn't made that way by god and was given free will from the start. he kept the apple of free will from eve to keep her docile and compliant and once she ate the apple, spent the next couple hundred years as her abusive and inescapable partner gaslighting her into thinking it was all her fault until his death, when he goes to heaven not by merit but because god couldn't accept his creation as a failure. lute learns of this and rejects everything she once loved about him and the final act of the series is speaker of god apologising for creating him.
>>154100835I hate that you're right
>>154100826She wants gay men having sex. Everything else is irrelevant (look at Charlie).
>>154100839Not happening. Go write your fanfic on a proper fanfiction site.
>>154100839As much as I think it'd be within Viv's character to fuck over a douchebag and paint him as 'b-bad man, all men bad!' she clearly likes Adam, so I think that's out.
>>154100889no i think that'd be shit too, i think that's just the worst possible outcome for adam.
Adam being painted as a douche rapist would be awesome because it'd piss off the Adam fags just as much as making Adam straight did to the LuciferxAdam fags
>>154100966The Adam agenda will never die. Jokes aside she's not doing that. Viv ain't gonna touch that type of rape. She picked Male on Male because of two reasons. First it's the least controversial so you don't piss a lot of people off. Second she and some of her team seem to find it super hot. I genuinely think it's someone's fetish. She does not have the balls to do any other type of rape dynamic. The fandom shat it's pants after two guys got confirmed straight. She's not risking it.
>>154101025Yeah, I agree with you
I feel like there's barely any discussion of Lute voluntarily choosing to stop her suicide mission during Hear My Hope. Abel did not physically stop her, his part basically amounted to 'this is morally wrong and you know it, now go stand in the corner and think about what you're doing' and I don't buy the sleeper agent theory for a moment. There are new conflicts going on in Lute's head we don't know the details of yet and I'm desperate to know what they areLike there is a deliberate parallel here to Vox ignoring his friends so Val has to rip his head off, why is Lute, who is ostensibly more crazy and doesn't even have a social safety net, stopping and feeling ashamed just when she was about to achieve her stupid goal
>>154101084First, Viv specifically said she's set her up 'big' and that she's a sleeper villain. She's a ticking time bomb, and won't get her resolution until later. Her being a sleeper villain is not a theory, it's fact. Jessica recently confirmed she makes it until season five.Second, Sam Haft actually spoke about Abel stopping Lute: "Abel kind of embodies his father, or at least his best approximation of his father. It’s close enough that Lute, who we know is already hallucinating at that level of madness from the beginning of the season, sees Abel as Adam and backs down in that involuntary way that comes from years and years of, probably, psychological conditioning. Plus, my headcanon or personal interpretation is that whenever Lute sees Adam in this way, it makes her feel feelings, and she isn’t comfortable feeling anything around people unless it’s bloodthirst." / "It's the most Adam thing he's ever said, yeah and so really this song is a journey to him saying the most like his dad thing he's ever said which, like, that's like a light and Lute for like, you know, years of conditioning, she's just like -does a gesture of a soldier standing to attention and saluting-"Third, she's Eve. They're spelling it out. Jessica already gave that spoiler away and deleted it.
>>154099829People need to accept that Adam is a nothing character. It's Vizi. She took the first man, pumped him full of the most stereotypical hypermasculine traits, made him an unredeemable evil asshole, and then killed him in a pathetic way.That's it. That's all there is to it.
People have a boner for the Roo being Eve being Lilith being Rosie thing and convinced themselves that's the current canon. It's not. Watch Lute be Eve and everyone will say it 'came out of nowhere'. It's pretty obvious, but fandom will continue closing their eyes and covering their ears until it comes out of Viv's mouth.
>>154101180Sleeper agent, not sleeper villain, so the idea that 'bitch' is a trigger word that forces her under control which I have actually seen as a theory floating around.The rest is interesting though, thank you for the interview quotes.
>>154101261Oh you meant -literally- a sleeper agent? Nah, that has no basis really.
>>154100083Biggest way to know that all the fans of HH in /co/ are straight white men is that they're the only place that still talks about Adam despite him being super dead and confirmed never coming back.
>>154101230I mean, sure but for a nothingburger character, Viv sure likes to repeat he's dead and bring him on for more merch tho
>>154101180i suppose the big reveal is if adam did the conditioning of lute and the exorcists personally (which is what all the lesbian lute truthers think) or if a higher power like sera or even higher did it. i personally don't see it as something purely adam-driven, because it lets heaven off the hook entirely for literally everything morally speaking, and he doesn't strike me as that motivated. him being handed a legion of loyal warriors and going 'kickass' and not really thinking about where they came from or why they obey him feels more in line with both his entitlement and his lack of smarts. lute's also not conditioned enough to be completely deferential, given how grabby she is with him and how she's willing to call out when he's actually being stupid.
I would love for Adam to stay dead. I think he should have had a more violent death, even. But it's really fucking weird how they keep putting him in merch. Now i'm not so sure if he is actually dead.
>>154101334>he doesn't know about the female-only Adam general in /trash/ that ran throughout 2025There are more women in these threads than you think anon.
>>154101343The 'big reveal' is that she's Eve. Like I said, Jessica already gave that spoiler, and she's been saying stuff about an identity reveal with Lute since 2024.
>>154101335That's simply because fujos and all the non-super liberal white male fans of HH still buy up all his merch and keep him popular.You can tell she's kind of annoyed by it but still likes the money so she keeps him around as Lute's hallucination.
With Viv having the balls to actually make him hetero, I wouldn't doubt she'd revive Adam. idk what to expect from her anymore
>>154101366i'm an eve truther, i'm just looking at the psychological conditioning talk and wondering if everything bad about heaven is going to be laid squarely on adam's shoulders or not. >>154101359too true.
>Potential to make the greatest romance of modern animation>But it's hetero and the creator cannot conceive a positive heterosexual romance>It doesn't happenGonna be funnybunny all over again.
>>154101334>>154101359Suspicious amounts of women are horny for the guy and self insert as Lute. Trust me Adam has a surprisingly large fan base despite his lackluster treatment in the show.
>>154101249Honestly I like the idea of Adam having three women in his life more then Lute being Eve.>Lilith: more a sister then a wife>Eve: The perfect Wife>Lute: the daughter who wants her fatherThat's the most basic of it, but you can see how much Lilith and Eve can screw with Lute by being part of Adam's life again? I love that kind of knife-twisting shit. Also it reflect Adam in the form of Loved, has loved, and slow to love AGAIN.
>>154101403Goose and Viv's attitudes to shipping, fandom and storytelling overall are so different that I'm confident this is not going to be Funnybunny.
>>154101395Got it... No Adam doesn't seem to have the smarts to have conditioned the soldiers that way. Sera's voice actor implied/said that she basically left the operations to the army, and didn't do training or anything. I doubt it's the Speaker. Maybe they'll introduce Michael? No idea who or what else could have trained them.It's probably not canon but a long time ago Viv apparently said that the Exorcists are 'controlled by forces beyond Heaven and Hell', hinting at Roo. Maybe Sera made a deal with Roo? Who knows.
>>154101424That's retarded. There's no need for an additional figure that 'parallels' or whatever the fuck with Lilith and Eve. Lute is Eve. It's that simple.
>>154101423i want to make use of his childbearing hips and adamsapple people are the only ones filling that niche for me.
>>154099621These people know they can just make the characters GAY in thier fan art, right?They did that shit all the way back to the 2000s, these people are just lazy.I pretend the dykes from thia show are straight all the time.
>>154101424>Lilith: more a sister then a wifePlease no. I'm tired of that retarded shit.
Even just going by historical texts and themes: Lilith is the 'evil woman' that leaves, doesn't submit. Eve is the 'good one' that stays and is submissive. Two sides of the same coin. It's just Lute. She's Adam little cock sucker and hypes him up, grieving him and is pissed that nobody pays mind to her. It's Eve.
why do people think viv hates adam? just because he died?
>>154101463NTA but yeah it's kinda true though /shrug. I'd argue both Eve and Lilith are but honestly it doesn't matter.
>>154099721He really wants to dom her.
>>154101469No idea. I've heard the blu ray commentary. She seemed to like him even more after she changed him to be like a jack black rip off. She even said in an interview that she wishes we could have had more of Adam. She includes him in merch...? She clearly likes himI think it's because of the, currently unfounded, rumor that Adam and Val are both based on an ex of hers.
>>154101469Because of the way he's written? The fandom would have you believe he has some hidden side to him when in reality he's just a dumb dudebro. Viv has also stated she loathes the Adam/Eve story and has always implied if she tackled it she'd relieve Eve of a lot of the blame. Easiest way to do that is just making Adam an evil misogynist.
>>154101495she also talks about how cute guitarspear are a bunch.
>>154101539but he isn’t a misogynist in the showhe literally is surrounded by women and trusts them
>>154099731But...is he wrong? DUN DUN DUNhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHYSgLkoAg4&t=49s
>>154101539She didn't say she hates the story. She didn't say Adam blamed Eve. In most interpretations, he defends her. Clearly, her Adam doesn't hate Eve - he never disses her, 'ribs are his favorite'.It's fucking annoying how people take that interview out of context: "The biggest one for me is the Adam & Eve story, cuz it's like so iconically known, but it's also one that's used so often to pin the blame on women & put women down, and that's something that, growing up, I was like: that's really fucked up? So, in the show we will get a little bit more into that & we'll kind of explore it in a more more female gaze way, and in a little bit more of a critical way but in a fictionalized way as well, which I’m excited for…”Nowhere does that suggest Adam blames Eve. IN GENERAL, Eve is the one credited with allowing sin into the world. EVERYONE blames her. But she doesn't say shit about Adam.
>>154101469With all the recent stuff I think she originally made him be one dimensional and just some douche to be hated. Because of Alex's sheer performance and her not making him really that awful he managed to garner a fan base. I think he might be getting the Viv ADHD treatment were fan content and new ideas have changed her opinion on the character and opened her eyes to new possibilities. Kinda like Stolas going from Villain originally to being Blitzo's lover and whatever the fuck happened to Lucifer ( becoming a uwu baby that might end up with a Tumblr sexyman).
>>154101558You fucking moron, working with men or women doesn't take away your ability to be a misandrist or misogynist. You're working with ONE definition of misogynist. It's not just 'i want women dead'. Adam isn't that kind of misogynist.
>>154101604Yep, that's it. I wouldn't doubt if she revived him,
>>154101558The showrunners have outright called him a misogynist.>>154101615This. The best thing about season 3 will be it ending with 0 Adam and the fanbase having to cope that he's actually dead and this story isn't about him.
I kinda hate how misogynist just means "inconvenient to women"
>>154101639Adam glazers will fight you tooth and nail about how Adam is not a misogynist. They're retarded and make the Charlie fags look smart. I swear, both the Adam glazers and the Adam haters don't understand this character.
>>154101629i'm holding out hope for fucked up roo-infested corpse adam that still manages to resist orders long enough to save lute.
>>154101664This is the way.
>>154101653It's what happens when you have a white masculine male among a colorful cast. A lot of straight men will latch onto him and hype him up. Just look at how many posters in the past couple of threads are incredibly toxic and celebratory over him being revealed as straight. I think Viv already realizes this though and just kind of ignores them and siphons money out of their pockets.
>>154101558>>154101615If Viv wants Adam to be a misogynist she did an awful job at it. He is never shown actually insulting or belittling his wifes. Works with women and actually respects Sera as a boss. Most of his failures when or comes to his duty are caused by him being and idiot. What misogynist is ok with an entire army of women? The whole he gets off to controlling women is pure cope. At worst he's obnoxious and vulgar. Expect Angel Dust acts the same way. Are we supposed to give him the pass?
>>154101664I think you're onto something. Doesn't it seem weird to anyone that Alex hinted that we'll see what happens to Adam's body in season 2, but nothing happened? Then he changed his tune to 'I don't know what happened to his body.' Jessica kept hyping Lute, hinting at a fight between Lute and Charlie and a bunch of other shit, then nothing. Viv also confirmed they changed gears once they greenlit season 2, pushed Lilith crap to season three.We're getting Adam infested corpse in Season three
>>154101713You're an actual idiot. Adam was clearly a misogynist since the first time he spoke. No, you fucking retard: a misogynist isn't someone who exclusively wants women dead or hate women. that's ONE type of misogyny. ONE TYPE.Cope.
>>154101702>Viv already realizes this though and just kind of ignores them and siphons money out of their pocketsNone of the straight white men who watched this show are buying shit. They watched the show on some pirate website and are hyping him up because it's funny and pisses people like you off. Maybe Adam female simps buy his merch but that's about it.
>>154101743NTA, what type of misogynist is he?
Urgh, I seem to arrive at fandom threads just in time for them to become heated and angry. Sorry guys, I guess I am cursed.
>>154101771>Pisses people like you offNo one is mad. More like bewildered. Everyone else is watching a show full of characters they enjoy and love and you're busy defending and glazing a character who is dead and confirmed not coming back and was just a cardboard cutout of toxic masculinity.
>>154101777Don't bother. He's not here for an actual discussion. I don't think he ever interacted with an actual misogynist in real life. Lower your expectations of him.
>>154101795Literally proving my point. You ain't good at this.
>>154101792I miss the old threads.
>>154101792You're not. It's just some classic banter. If it's feels too tense post some random related images to change the subject.
Whatever happened to liking Adam because he's hot
>>154101795what if i want to impregnate adam what then wise guy
>>154101845CUTE
>>154101846Good for you?I feel like there are more impregnatable guys in the show however.
>>154101871not really. they're all sticks. nothing to squish, no love handles or man tits... sad....
I do think Adam and Lute are some of the stronger characters in the cast. I had high hopes for Alastor since his introduction in the pilot, but Viv is gonna have to work a bit harder to sell me on him at this point.
I feel like the people in these threads who seethe this much about people liking Adam are either severely autistic or are faggots with some kind of religious trauma who have stumbled here.
>>154101959Alastor and Angel Dust were easily my favorite characters from the Pilot, and now they're probably the ones I care about the least due to how they've just been utterly downgraded.
>>154101968
>>154101939What happened to you to mix up your sexuality so bad that you want to do the impregnating? trauma?
>>154101993>
>>154101987He did lose a lot of his bite. Nowadays he's just Viv's gay abuse victim.
Adam is an entitled, objectifying frat-bro misogynist. He treats women as things to admire, possess, sleep with, or joke about, and assumes his wants come first. He's literally the first man and was probably told his word is law. Frankly, it isn't complicated. Viv, Sam, a even Alex have all called him a misogynist. He is a cartoonishly exaggerated parody of that archetype. That's the joke. Retarded white boys genuinely think he's the hero of the story. They're the same guys who got pissed at what happened with Homelander, who is yet another example they failed to understand and projected onto.
>>154101993>>154102025
>>154101813>>154102051See above
>>154102033Alastor never had any bite. That was people projecting shit that never even happened in the pilot.
>>154102033>"Was that you trying to be racist or sexist?">"Whatever pisses you off more."Still one of the best jokes.
>>154102078I mostly meant Angel Dust. To me he's the one that felt like he lost his bite.
>>154102078>Completely misses the character that's being discussed>Still spouts inane autistic ramblings about who he thought was being talked aboutYeesh, what a retard.
Adam's whole thing is that he's a misogynist. He's the cis white guy stereotype. That's the charm.Wait lol do people actually think he's like a good guy or some shit. That's funny
>>154102096I forgot about Angel Dust being a thing in the pilot. That's just Jax now. Can't see him as the real Angel.
>>154102051>>154102104
Adam should get the straight and sexist raped right on out of him
>>154102007nothing beyond reading fanfiction since i was 11, watching sonic x and thinking sonic and shadow should kiss. won't deny it probably skewed some stuff developmentally but in terms of actual legit traumatic circumstance, nothing whatsoever.>>154101993>>154102057CUTE>>154102025CUTE AND CANON
If Adam was supposed to be nothing than a joke villain then Gravity and the Lute arc wouldn't be a thing. Facts
>>154102154No, that just means /Lute/ isn't the joke.
>>154102150I'm sorry sir... your daughter... she's a fujoshi. We have to put her to sleep
>>154102141Chill out Lilith.
>>154102221As if this thread wouldn't go nuts for that shihh
>>154102230
>>154102199i inherited it from my mother because she watched death note with me and was a light/L fan from the moment L was introduced.
>Whole bloodline of fujos Grim.
>>154102154How can you seriously type that out and not realize you just contradicted yourself. He was a joke villain killed off so Lute could get development and the overall plot could get moving.
>>154102316Adam glazers legit won't get it. I wouldn't bother..
If Adam was meant to be hated so much, then how come Viv fought and deemed it absolutely necessary to add his final smile?
>>154102358This was actually answered in the blue ray commentary:Skye: This was a cute thing you added as well.Vivienne: Yeah, I wanted this moment with him smiling at her because, you know.Skye: In the board originally he was just glazed over.Vivienne: He was just dead.Skye: Yeah, but like Lute gets a little smile.Vivienne: He has like one tiny last feat with her.Sam: They've just had each other for so long. Yeah. I never thought it would happen.Skye: Yeah, Lute's like... She's so angry, dude. Calm down.Vivienne: Lute is the angriest character I think I've ever made. She is fueled by rage.Sam: Like a feminine rage of the character.Vivienne: Yeah, literally...What the previous commenter said: He was a joke villain killed off so Lute could get development and the overall plot could get movingViv even said that Adam had to die to get to the Vox thing. Your frat boy Adam isn't hot shit. Deal with it. He got fridged for Lute. She's the one that matters. He's a stepping stone in her arc.
>>154102358Because Viv can never let go of her toys, like Vox, he didn't die.
Let me spell it out in a language your white-man brain understands: switch it around. Imagine if Lute were to die for Adam's arc. You wouldn't question that, right? That's it. That's the purpose of Adam's character.
>>154102104This board is probably the largest congregation of HH's straight white male cis fanbase. They're going to think the white cis straight male is the best most deepest character in the show no matter what. Just pity them and move on.>>154102358It's a breadcrumb that dumb fans imagine as an entire cake.>>154102417>FridgedLol so true. It's so funny to finally see the white male fridged and all the white males freak out about it. How's it feel bitch? Women have been dealing with that shit for their entire existence.
>>154102334>>154102417
>>154102417>>154102444Literally none of this refutes what I said.
>>154102296the fun part is that as shipping goes i actually prefer guitarspear and flowertunes (which is adam/eve but that's redundant if eve=lute obviously), but adamsapple is the only ship that provides for my specific adam lust consistently.
>>154102453>Women have been dealing with that shit for their entire existence.Careful. Here come the angry white-cis mob to tell you how retarded you are. I may not like Viv and her faggy shit sometimes, but hats off to her for this shit. First man biblical Adam got FRIDGED. The conservatives can't cope.
Trolling for 'White males' makes no sense. I thought this was a husbando thread what's going on
>>154102445>language your white-man brainYou saying it like that tells us everything we need to know. Reddit's that way buddy. Perhaps you would be more comfortable there.
>>154102497There he is!
>>154102494CUTE
>>154102467Then understand this: She cared about Adam as much as the testosterone-pumped meatheaded male writer cares about the wife who dies at the beginning of a typical boring revenge story.
>>154102494Some people are getting pissy. I guess you can't like Adam without people sperging out.
>>154102494It's retarded bait using some bizarrely constructed strawman when most Adam fans are women anyway, kek.
>>154102516nigga, they literally don't get it. They actually cannot wrap their minds around it. It's funny as hell.
>>154102530Ok. That explains everything.
>>154102477>adamsapple is the only ship that provides for my specific adam lust consistently.Expound
Adam threads should be like Adam himself: WOMEN ONLY
>>154102521You can like Adam. It's trying to claim that he's in any way central to the story (despite Viv 100% saying he's permanently dead and isn't coming back) or has some super deep hidden character traits that are just annoying and pure cope.Hell I liked him. He was a fun character. He did his job. He was loud, stupid, funny, and his death kickstarted the entire show's plot. But that's it. That's all there is to him.
>>154102547She wants to see fat man get pegged.
Real Adam fans get that he's a sexist prick. I have no idea what the other guys are on.
>>154102477Flowertunes is underrated.
>>154102568It's basically the Homelander thing.
>>154102584I don't think Adam ever drank breast milk.
>>154102553BEAUTIFUL MAN >>154102556and pregnant that too. >>154102577CUTE!!!
>>154102553Shoot that thing. Nasty
>>154102592He'd be all over that shit and you know it. He was drooling over Eve's breastmilk
>>154102610Him accidentally discovering it and then finding it the best thing ever. Probably caused him to have a fetish for pregnant women.
>>154102568This.
>>154102568Realistically he's kinda of an ass to everyone with a few exceptions.
>>154102677Sigh. No, fake Adam fan. Go sit in the corner.
>>154102690Never
>>154102743
>>154103024CUTE!!
>>154103024
Straight Adam is so based.
>>154103049
Straight Adam was the best thing to have happened. He's literally the cis-white sexist guy stereotype.Straight Lute would be awesome. I hope Viv is saving that for later.
What those who think Adam was fridged for Lute don't realise is that Lute is going to use the power of love and Unfathomable Violence to bend the narrative back to him once again
>>154103107She's Eve. The story will focus on her. Viv specifically wants to explore the genesis story through a critical female lens. Adam was fridged for Eve. He's not needed anymore. This is done all the time to female characters and male protagonists. It's the same concept.
>>154103130Her arc, I mean. Not the entire series. She'll pave the way for Roo to be the final boss in season five.
>>154103130Ok Sera. Sexist of you to think Lute/Eve isn't capable of going through Hell and back (literally) to dredge Adam back up to the surface and stick it to all the power structures that told her to keep her voice down when she was grieving
>>154103212He's dead. What is she going to go get his body for?
>>154103049>>154103067SUPER CUTE
>>154103230Wouldn't you like to know, seraphim
>>154103279Calm down Lucifer
Why no hetero Lute tho? What spoiler could that possibly give?
>>154103413Lute's probably like Stella, where she wouldn't go to a parade, so Viv didn't add her. Also, if Lute was there, people would cope about Straight Adam just being her hallucination rather than it actually being him.
>thinking that Adam is gonna stay deadl o l
Speaking of Hallucination Adam, I'm excited to see more of him, I wonder where that's all heading.
So when are we getting these guys
>>154103413if the eve=lute theory is correct, her current look might not end up being her 'final' design. for comparison's sake, imagine if this series started at the start of the exterminations and the third season's gonna end with vaggi being kicked out - you wouldn't produce merch of vaggi with a missing eye, no wings and out of uniform, but there's also no point in producing merch of her current form if she's only like that for two seasons.
>>154103462none of those are sera's halo. does this mean sera wasn't involved in this decision (eg outranked and wasn't present, or abstained) or that lucifer doesn't blame her for it?
>>154103480They made a Youtooz of Lute in her current design.
>>154103511These are the Elders. We see their figures twice. Once in the first episode and then later on in season 1. It seems they are a separate thing from Sera altogether, but apparently they are Seraph, like her. I think these are Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, etc
>>154103521a luteooz...
>>154103521Adam's Youtooz box says>Hey Lute, check this out!I wonder what Lute's box will say.
>>154100166The only completed Adam/Stella fic is a short one by His_Righteous_Thunder, the same author who's been writing Aunty Charlie's Hotel
>>154103462Ominous figures which will probably never going to show up.
>>154103535I don't think Viv has the guts to portray Michael and the rest of the named big angels.
I'm pretty sure Adam replaced Michael in Hazbin. Viv pulls from Mormonism too. The Elders will be knockoffs of the seven archangels and Lucifer twins, probably
>>154104164is it mormonism that has cain still wandering the earth as an immortal human or is that more pop culture/folklore?
>>154104202>is it mormonism that has cain still wandering the earth as an immortal human or is that more pop culture/folklore?The idea of Cain as an immortal wanderer comes from a mix of biblical interpretation, folklore, and later religious traditions. In Genesis, Cain is cursed to wander the earth after killing Abel. The text never says he's immortal, but God does place a mark on him so no one will kill him, which led to centuries of speculation. Mormon tradition, if I'm not mistaken, has accounts from early church leaders describing Cain as still alive, wandering the earth under his curse and unable to die until the Second Coming.So TLDR: Yes, Mormonism says that. Plus Viv did say hint at Adam's other sons. So we might get Cain.
Do you think he does things with that tooth gap during cunnilingus
>>154104364do you want your clit to get stuck in there?
>>154102275That's hilarious.
Reading this thread makes me really glad I grew up in a relatively stable, moderately religious two parent household.
Lute's bush....
Lute's pubes caught in Abel's tooth gap
>>154104164In Mormonism Adam is just Michael's humansona.
>>154104896that's how epilators work.
>>154104920No, in Jehovah's Witness, Jesus is Michael's humansona. In Mormonism, Adam is Michael when he was a kid, basically
Lute grooming Adam's pubes with her tongue like a cat
>>154104960Another #Malefeminist win for Abel
>>154105012adam is actually terrified during this ordeal and pretends to be asleep when she does it because he's seen her bite a sinner's arm clean off.
>>154105064She makes that 'nyam nyam nyam' noise cats sometimes do and he tries not to laugh because startling her could have dire consequences
>>154104202>>154104266IIRC, Cain dies in the book of Jubilees (which is only considered canonical in certain denominations, like the Ethiopian Church). In an ironic twist of fate, a bunch of rocks crush him to death at the age of 700ish? The immortal wanderer concept is more popular though.>>154103462Probably never. If Michael is a blue Lucifer clone, I will seethe. I hate those fanon Lucifer recolor archangel designs
>>154105171Eugh. Or the green, red, orange, blue Lucifer copies. Hate that shit.
>>154105181The Elders actually looking cool while Lucifer is just a manlet clown would be beautiful.
>>154096441Its even funnier to imagine Adam being a diehard ally because he had some gay grand-kids who he still loves and is supportive of, so he gets pissed at Lute whenever she acts homophobic.
>Emily is done up in the equivalent of the chaos undivided symbol when all other special snowflakes are specific sexualities 3 straight characters on the pride month merch lol
I thought one of Cain's descendants shot him with an arrow by mistake and that's how he died?
>>154104920>>154104972Interesting. In orthodox works its said nobody went to heaven before Jesus's resurrection. So evey human ended up in hell ( Adam and Eve included). Only afterwards did they end up in heaven after being flown out by big J.
>>154105362Is Lute actually homophobic though? They clarified that Stella and Striker disliking parades didn't mean they were homophobic.
>>154105362lute having more HR complaints than adam does due to homophobia would be so fucking funny.
>>154105171>>154105181This is the only "blue Lucifer" design for Michael I could tolerate, I want him to be the gigachad of Heaven.
Isnt Adam's body still a plotpoint? Isnt eve being Rosie likely and she has his body.
>>154105551I'm not sure if Adam's body was ever a plot point. I kinda assumed they just forgot about it. Don't really buy the whole Eve=Rosie.
>>154105551>Heaven asks for Adam and the other dead exorcists bodies so they can be given proper burials and to give their families closure>Charlie nervously trying to explain how her army of cannibals chopped them all up for dinner by nowStill kind of fucked up how that worked out, like Charlie defending herself and her home is fine but letting cannibals devour the fallen is just monstrous.
>>154105634It's not going to be addressed at all.
>>154105482Catholicism subscribes to the concept of Limbo. Limbo is adjacent to Hell and was the holding area for souls pre-resurrection. Not to be confused with baby limbo.>>154105543Michael will not be allowed to be a Chad. Lu is Viv's precious baby, big Mike beating him into a pulp won't stand. >>154105551The crew teased corpse battery Adam pre season 2 but nothing came of it
>>154105634i feel like i remember some pre-season 2 fake leak talking about how adam's body would be passed around hell losing bits and pieces until scraps end up back at the hotel, which are given to lute and the whole episode is treated as a gag until the last few minutes when lute completely snaps.
>>154105898I hope she would have killed someone for this.
>>154101180I wonder if Hallucination Adam will address this in season 3. We know it's definitely her own hallucination she saw in Abel (as opposed to, say, Abel's vision) and he's siding with her again at the end of the season. Will he talk to her about it? Tease her?
>>154095937What was that one nigga who made the music video of him getting chased by Charlie
>>154106140Verbalase. The video had Hideaway playing in the background.
>>154106140
>>154106056i hope hallucination adam eventually sets up for a scene where someone tries the 'adam wouldn't want you to do this!' tactic and lute turns to hallucination adam, who definitely does, but in the process of explaining why hallucination adam unintentionally reveals why the real adam really wouldn't. '- and you can finally stick it to that dyke sera!''... the real adam would NEVER call her that.'
>>154105494I heard the opposite. Morgana implied Striker and Stella were homophobic.
>>154106056I have a suspicion that the Adam hallucination that's been talking to her is Roo. That would also align with the old (alleged) leaks about Roo feeding off of Eve's anger, wrath, revenge etc.
When he was asked at first, Alex implied we'd get to find out what happened to Adam's body in season 2. After season 2 aired, he later changed his answer to say that he 'doesn't know' what happened to his body - he also implied we 'may or may not' see more Adam in season 3 and 4. Either Alex is dumb as rocks and since he knew he was voicing Adam in season 2, he assumed Adam would come back, but then realized it was just a hallucination, or he legit was just saying shit. Who knows.
>>154095740Whoever is comic book Black Noir in this context
mpreg?
>>154106769adam is built for childbirth.
I love Rosie.
Adam is a shithead but I like him so he should come back
>>154106803
>>154095718Of course Adam is straight. Why would he want to smooch his own descendants? Read a Bible.
>>154095718Of course they are. Why the fuck would Adam be a homo?
Why do the angels wear suits that resemble demons anyway?Is it just a shitty "they're the same deep down"?
My head between Lute's thighs...
>>154104364>Straight prideI thought that was like evil, or thats what twitter says So you need a flag to be straight? You already have nothing to be ashamed of that you need a reminder lol
>>154108740Apparently it’s meant to show ally ship
>>154105543>>154105873I want Mike to be an absurdly powerful cherub.
What do you mean that lute is Eve? Can any of you explain that?
>>154109039I'm a Lute/Eve schizo. This is my specialty.https://x.com/cyjammy/status/1751608597929234504Jessica Vosk requoted that and then deleted. Clearly an NDA. Before the show released, she's said cryptic, weird shit about Lute. Things like 'she's not who she think she is,' and 'she plays an important part when it comes to the conflict of Heaven and Hell' and that there's stuff about Lute that even took her by surprise.iirc Sam or Viv described Lute as 'feminine rage' (this is specifically an expression of women's collective anger and frustration over systemic injustices, misogyny, and historical oppression). Viv has also said she wants to explore the Adam and Eve story through a female critical lens and how she always thought it was unfair that Eve gets blamed for the apple.That's just the tip of the iceberg btw. But yeah it's p obvious imo. But people still thing the Lilith being Rosie being Roo being Eve twin switch leaks are still canon so the Lute/Eve theory stuff is dismissed.
The Roo being Eve stuff was never in the leaks actually. That part was just a game of telephone. The leaks said after Eve, we get Roo as the big bad and that basically, Roo uses and feeds off Eve's desire for revenge and her anger to her advantage, so people automatically took that to mean she is either inside of Eve or controlling her like a puppet. An old employee confirmed that they're not the same. They never were. That's fanon.
>>154109198Isnt rosie a lilith creation like stolas's species is a lucifer creation?
>>154109310Err, is that a fan theory? I haven't heard any leaks about it or anything. Last I heard, Rosie is a sinner - apparently this was confirmed in the patreon Q&A
>>154109327Its the only thing that makes sense to me of why she is so powerful but idk
>>154109232The existance of something like roo doesnt beat the purpose of free-will?
>>154109341I mean, ig Rosie could be Lilith. I believed it, since Rosie has a lot stuff that could apply to Lilith - being jewish, a cannibal, 'wanting to eat her first husband', etc, but after Season two, I'm not convinced. Esp after they announced and boasted about Lilith's VA.Lilith -could- be Eve, ig? But Viv is not at hiding/spoiling her own story. So either she suddenly got really good at lying, or it's just Lilith up there in Heaven. I think Rosie is just her own thing.
>>154109357What do you mean?
>>154109366Thats why i say that she is a lilith creation, she has her own agenda involving Alastor and their deal
>>154109387We don't know if Rosie is a creation of Lilith.
>>154109376That evil exist because of her that beats the purpose of free-will unless im getting something wrong about her
>>154109391That is just a theory anon im not affirming it
>>154109394Oh, that I don't know. I'm just saying it's obvious Roo is the Evil goddess we see in season 1. Viv talked about them in an interview. they are the embodiment of good and evil.
I mean, the fandom still thinks Charlie's flashback of Lilith is meant to be Eve in disguise, even though it's obvious it's not. I don't blame the fandom for thinking Lilith is Eve. Some still think Satan actually ruled Hell before Lucifer came. You have to really spell it out for them and even then, they'll cry retcon or that it's a last minute change. There's conspiracy theories about the pansexual Emily thing. If the Lute Eve thing is legit, don't expect positive reception from these fags
>>154109405I thought she was just the origin of all evil like thats why her name is roo
Will Abel let the girlies have enjoy themselves the same way his dad did?
>>154109479Yeah that's what I mean. Those two figures in Charlie's book, Good and Evil. 'Root of all Evil'. That's Roo.
>>154095740Krusty Krab Pizza
>>154107465That shity grin on that body cracks me up.
>>154106140>>154106246
Abel getting along with his dad on the merch and calling on him for strength suggests he might not be as okay with Adam's murder as first suggested. Wonder if they'll do anything with that.
>>154110833... what?
Funny seeing a community that preaches tolerance and acceptance fail to accept and tolerate a character's sexual orientation.
>>154111036Heterosexuality is not seen as a valid sexuality. It's a double but acceptable standard
If you still ship Sera with Pentious, you deserve death.
>>154111036The things people use as 'evidence' Abel can't be straight are pure stereotype too. He can't be straight because... he likes romcoms, wears colorful clothes and is kind? I thought those things had nothing to do with the genitals you wanna smash.
>>154111101Its hilarious."He cant be straight, he doesn't look or act it!"They honestly don't see the hypocrisy in saying this.
>>154111101>>154111134The gay dudes I know look and act like regular people, so I guess they can't really be gay.
>>154111063Trvke, also behead those who do not accept Abelute
>>154111101It mostly because these people have never had any real contact with people in ages. Abel acts like a normal straight guy. Those guys exist. You can like colours, romcoms and be a nice person. Doesn't mean you like taking dick up the ass.
>>154111063Sorry, it's too kino to not ship, and is certainly better than shipping him with that ran-through australian bitch
>>154111277Why does he like Cherry again? Like other than the fact she's pretty. Are his British genes telling him the Australian Bad girl needs correction?
>>154111349Your guess is as good as mine, bro. As someone who has both interacted with and dated bogan woman like her, I don't get why certain male fans love the ship and self-insert as Pentious. Yes, you succeeded in wooing the hard-mode women of the dating world. It doesn't make cherrisnake a good ship.
>>154095718The very idea that Adam, the first man, needs to be confirmed as straight in the first place is just goofy to me.
Imagine the outrage that'll come from when Lute is confirmed as a comically homophobic straight woman that wouldn't even touch another woman's pussy.
>>154111491And when push comes to shove, will call homos slurs in anger
>>154111349>>154111382I'm genuinely convinced that Cherrisnake will be portrayed as a toxic relationship in the following season/s and it'll be revealed that it was Roo/Evil's way of trying to corrupt Sir Pentious. I mean it's pretty clear that the only thing that both Cherri and Pentious miss in the Piss song is their violent fights that could've led to their deaths.
>>154107677adamsapple real>>154111223lute you are so fucking valid
>>154111063Kill me, Pete.
>>154111555Outside of its tie-in to Cherri's redemption, I don't see where it can go beyond>I guess they're a couple nowLike watching season 2 it's crazy how much report he has with both Sera and Emily over the likes of Cherri, where like in season 1 I'm wincing whenever they interact. If Sera was always planned on being a lesbian, I'd stick him with Emily.
>>154111604i also don't see how cherri would ever be happy in heaven when she loves blowing shit up and causing havoc. also very curious to see how she ended up in hell.
>>154111561>adamsapple realI'm not sure. It kinda got nuked after the straight Adam reveal.
>>154111698>No it didn't!
>>154111731No hate just telling the truth.
Wait hold on was that one of the vox femcels that invaded the /trash/ threads post s2 earlier lmao
>>154111867I'm not sure.
>>154111660Imagine if she becomes an example of a character that isn't quite Alastor or Valentino level of evil that doesn't ascend into Heaven. It would be more interesting than Cherri being redeemed through the power of love.
>>154111698to be fair it also got nuked first by adam being literally dead and confirmed never coming back but that hasn't stopped anyone
>>154111892Either way they should take a hike and get laid lol
>>154111926Knowing Viv once drew one of her Zoophobia OCs in a tub having sex with snakes I assume Cherri will probably be redeemed by the power of Pentious's twin snake cocks.
>>154111926cherri just refusing to deal with whatever sent her to hell in the first place forever would be fascinating, especially as a darker mirror to how she encouraged angel's worst habits at the club and pentious has to choose between continuing self-improvement or their genuine love. sometimes otherwise decent people that you adore just spiral and there's no stopping them, swim away or be dragged under with them.
>>154111949>cherri just refusing to deal with whatever sent her to hell in the first place forever would be fascinatingAnd completely in-character for an australian.
>>154111931I'm pretty sure Adam coming out as straight has shaken the Adamsapple community more than then when he died. It does not make a lot of sense.
>>154111954I'm pretty sure all Australians go to hell by default. Kinda like gingers being born without a soul situation.
>>154111955most of the ones i follow don't care or are over it, it's the ones new to fandom that are still squealing.now the real funny meltdowns are from the people furious that angel's been grouped with the vees because they don't understand how factions work.
>>154111963As a NZer, that warms my heart immensely.
Why is this show's fanbase so gay?
>>154112011We don't know. It's truly a mystery.
>>154112011No, that only accounts for 90% of the male fandom and about 30% of the female fandom. The rest is female who graduated from Twilight but (mostly) aren't ready for the omegaverse yet.
>>154111063Pentious is a snake, he should only ever be in a relationship with hundreds of others at once and only for up to a day at a time.
>>154111963It would still be an improvement.
>>154112063omega adam and alpha lute would be so fucking peak but nooo omega adam is only for lucifer apparently...
>>154112204...I'm assuming someone has already explored that idea in fanfiction? In my experience the people hyperfixated on guitarspear are of the "leave no stone unturned" mindset when it comes to fanfiction.
>>154095718Based, time to hold their hands.
Vivziepop really said:
>>154112457if they are they aren't tagging it correctly on ao3. i've found exactly one fic which had omega adam and alpha lute but it was just alpha lucifer shilling in disguise because lute was a bad alpha and it made him miss lucifer. it was BULLSHIT.
>>154095718Lies. Abel takes Adam's cock daily.
>>154112619
>>154109198>it was unfair that Eve gets blamed for the apple.True, it was Lucifer's fault too ... oh, she won't blame the wholesome snakedad will she?
What a time to be alive.
>>154112706No. He will probably be exempt from all blame which is weird. Nowadays most people have shifted to blaming Lucifer. His role interpreted through a modern lens is more similar to a young adult ( 20 something year old ) giving kids ( around 7 or 10) drugs and withholding information on what they are.
Late to the party but what was opinion on Verbalase after his stunt? I didn't think it was that big of a deal.
>>154112772if vivzie's cool lucifer is the kind of favourite character you force to behold the full weight of their sins and then are confronted by every single person they've ever hurt and forced to explain themselves knowing it cannot justify anything, but if she's not lucifer's the kind of favourite character who gets endlessly headpatted and everything they did 'wrong' was either right actually or was engineered by someone else and how noble they are for enduring all this unjust suffering. chew toy built for shaking vs faberge egg.
>>154096703>See, son? A perfect creation of the Lord, small but still entered His kingdom, unlike those fucking dick-sucking assholes from hell.>I'm seeing it, Father.
>>154112931>oh look it's gay too, good for that bug. >LUTE NO
>>154100340There's one schizo adamsapple shipper who's been ranting about 'homophobic guitarspear shippers' non stop since the merch dropped on Friday and they're shitting up the guitarspear Twitter search results. I've muted them but their ranting is still showing up because twitter is shit. No wonder Viv was nervous lol. They should just die mad about it
>>154106803You misspelled Abel.
>>154112959>Bitch, respect the gay bug, he's cool.
>>154113013Actually, no, an obese body, insulin resistance, and hypertension make a body unfit for childbirth.
>>154113035>obese bodyI can't believe they allowed that fat sum'a bitch into Heaven...
>>154099766Modern PEOPLE are weak. It's not fandoms in particular. When they say people are sheep, this is what they're talking about. In fact, they're lower than sheep, sheep are actually quite rebellious and have their independent herd mentality.
>>154113035>>154113122in heaven everything is fine.
>>154113145No it isn't. Emily, grab the ozempic. Abel, hold still.
>>154113145Well, by default, yes.
>>154113035So if I get him into shape, then I can knock him up?
>>154113145>>154113155
>>154111491>The High School used to be the respectable school, known as Menchi-Nasu High. It was left behind and abandoned, because of lack of funds for that one school. Then the students left, and the "students" bummed around. There was an accident that happened at a Seinor Prom in 1999; a High-Functioning Autistic individual with Psychic Powers, Terrah LeAnne Yowman, roamed the halls with growing social outreachings; she had a number of good guy-pals, and a few gal-pals. She was constantly ridiculed with being labeled a Lesbian, because she hung out with MORE DUDES Mutually.>She felt angry when she heard "Lesbian"; when called that, she would leave the bully an intimidating glare with a purple glow from her green eyes. Then soon after, a Strong, Straight Homophobe would attack that bully with No Mercy; beat the crap out of that person.
>>154113197Provided that hypertension and diabetes are strictly controlled.Why not? Well, ignoring the fact that he's a man and only Lucifer has the ability to transform and was impregnated by Lilith to have Charlie.
>>154113461Lucifer might have injected himself with Lilith blood and used esoteric angel power to shape Charlie's creation.
>>154113443Brother I know Chris Chan lore and this shit is incomprehensible for me. Genuinely what are you trying to say?
>>154113483That's literally a story Chris wrote about a comically homophobic straight woman that wouldn't even touch another woman's pussy back when he was comically homophobic instead of a lesbian transwomyn.
>>154113461>>154113476How Lucifer was posing while pregnant with Charlie
>>154113461i hope this is canon because this means charlie's mommy issues with lilith are actually stereotypical daddy issues just reskinned, AND lucifer gets to co-opt pregnancy and labour trauma for charlie's other set of daddy issues. peak fujo woman erasure, i bow.
>>154113541My bad. I must have forgotten about it. It probably got lost in all the retarded shit Chris Chan did that I know about. He's a gold mine of stupid shit.
>>154113551It's because of this kind of nonsense that Lilith fled from hell and returned on her knees sucking Adam's dick to get back in. Do you think she sucked him off through Peter's gate?>>154113564There is no greater misogyny than a fujoshi + bisexual with a male boyfriend
>>154113593True
>>154113611It's like Reverse NTRShe cheats on Adam with the guy she thinks is better, then realizes he's a wimp and goes back on her knees to offer her ass to Adam so he'll let her return to her life of luxury and ignore her bastard daughter, whom she probably hated making with Lucifer.
>>154113611>>154113703but first she has to watch as he fucks lute/eve/both if they're not the same person so she knows her place in the harem, which is below charlie but above vaggi since adam, as a proud ally, isn't interested in her.
>>154113703I know it's probably not what Viv was going for but Lucifer reeks of performative male. He definitely gives the vibe of those guys that hide their defects and avoid giving the ick (initially) till their partner gets used to them and they can drop the facade. Lilith initially liking this rebellious dreamer who was trying to woo her only for things to sour once he showed his true man-child nature. Kinda fitting for the so called King of lies.
>>154113886lucifer is peak quirky soft theatre guy who appreciates smart independent women and don't worry baby he isn't like those mean jocks that only want vapid bimbos.
>>154101429Adam will use his misogyny to reform the exorcists. Starting with Lute getting wifed. Then the rest getting fully daughterfied.
New thread >>154114179>>154114179>>154114179
>>154114138Peak
>>154114329>Could no longer fit into her uniform >Gets thus dress tossed to her
>>154113886This
>>154111491But what if she ends up being portrayed as some dyke lesbian and Adam was a result of her forcing herself to love him? Like I'm legit scared Viv would do that
>>154113012A lot of people are talking about this, I'm not sure what's going on. What about homophobic guitarspear shippers? What are they saying?
I am going to make my own bible, where Adam is evil and Eve is based.
>>154115145Vivian you already have a show about that.
>>154115029Nice deflection.
>>154115532?? What are you talking about? I'm actually asking. What's going on? Deflection of what?
these threads suck with fat adam cuck in the op
