We're really overdue for the return of the most powerful super team of all time.What exactly is keeping DC back from doing a new Authority book under Black Label?
>>154101756It can't be done anymore. Call it zeitgeist, creative impulse, will to do so... it's not there anymore, or, at least, not focused in something whose end result is The Authority.
You CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE AUTHORITY WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING STORMWATCH GEN X AND THAT CRAZY 90S STUFF.
>>154101756The Wild Storm was the closest thing you had to a comeback.
>>154101756>What exactly is keeping DC back from doing a new Authority book under Black Label?The Authority lost to NATO. Is that simple.
>>154101756Every team is the authority now, their dirtbag leftist shtick has become the default attitude in all protagonists of all media
>>154101756The Authority is a pretty weak comic series driven by HYPE moments, and the moment its writers run out of said moments (or the artist can't pull it off) the readers are left with shallowly characterized protagonists against flat antagonists and, more often than not, the writer's political hot takes. Also let's be real, Swift never does anything useful ever, Apollo might as well be replaced by cardboard standee in 90% of the arcs, the Doctor is Jobber Supreme, and everyone's personality is "deviant sociopathic assholes pretending to be normal in front of other deviant sociopathic assholes to varying degrees of success."
>>154101756Because no one can take seriously BATMAN AND SUPERMAN BUT THEY'RE FUDGEPACKING BUTT BUDDIES
>>154101756There's no way to do a version of The Authority in the modern day political environment without pissing literally everyone off. >Midnighter and Apollo the Batman and Superman expy are a gay couple. So conservatives won't like it>Originally written by Warren Ellis, blacklisted for sleeping around with too many women. So feminists won't like it.>Taken over by Mark Millar, who's a right wing chud nowadays. So liberals won't like it.>Has a overall pro-authoritarian might makes right message that Mark Waid and Joe Kelly hate.>Has a pitch black edgy sense of humor that would make Garth Ennis blush.
Put the irishman Hugh Campbell working for the United Nations in a small office in New York.
It's almost funny how multiple writers at DC cearly want to write Wildstorm properties, but have to squeeze them into other series. They recently brought back Stormwatch in a Batman anthology book, and the WildCATS are going to be in some upcoming Superman Elseworlds.
>>154101756We already have the Justice League.
>>154104275"Pisses off everyone" could possibly mean it also caters to everyone in a sense, doesn't it.
>>154105579that's the old timeline.
>>154104131This.
>>154101756this pic go hard
>>154101756fagshitlike actually gay homo zesty fruity fudgepacking fagshit
>>154105579So... ?
>>154101756They're literally the Justice League but fascist despots. DC only uses him as villains or fodder for their own heroes to beat up. DC always makes the heroes they buy from other companies look bad somehow>Plastic man is a joke >Captain Atom is a government stooge who can only blow up>Blue Beetle is a joke
I like to think that after NATO destroyed The Authority, Midnighter took over an abandoned Kriegstein hangar and operates from there alongside Baby Jenny, who is probably a correctible brat by now.
>>154114797Forgot to mention that Captain Marvel is a goofy manchild, played for laughs and can't even call himself Captain Marvel.
>>154114873He is in fact, A CHILD.
>>154114873>Captain Marvel is a goofy manchildSay that to his face fucker
>>154101756>Most powerfulLois Lane is midnighter levelBoth can survive full power thrusts of their respective penetrators
Interesting. Now I remember Jenny Sparks has the same rebirth rules that Makima/Nayuta.
It doesn't matter how much depth or nuance therr is to your concept. As soon as you introduce gays as a main characters, that's all it'l ever be known for.
I wish DC would go back to Ellis' Apollo's personality. The Millar/Ennis dumb blond version and the DCU's perfect, heroic, "too good for Midnighter" version are fucking terrible.
>>154101756We need the next new thing for them and the same shit from 60 years ago to run alongside with.
>>154101756Liefeld should draw it
>>154115236The point of Apollo and Midnighter was FIRST, they are part of a mass production of meta humans. SECOND, their preferences are secondary, nobody cares, people care about both of them beating the shit out of evil and other metahumans. is more interesting part the lore of the printer machine and the production line where they are generated. And is it a crime that we never learned more about the secret arms race that produced them during the second half of the 20th century.
>>154101837Fpbp. The first volume of The Authority is in my top five all time favorites but you can’t bring them back in any real meaningful way in this day and age. The world has moved on.
I miss Apollo, Midnighter, and Jenny Q being a family so much anons
>>154116082>tfw we are never going to get a family sitcom about a dysfuntional metahuman family.
>>154115718it was mediocre as fuck, you slop eater
>>154101756>Corpse Rape Slut>Faggot Rape Slut>Cuck Faggot Slut>Incel City Slut>Retarded Druggie Slut>Flying Retarded Slut>Useless Metal Slut
>>154116329OIYou take that fucking back, mate.
>>154116329You may not have liked it, but the Ellis/Hitch Authority revolutionized sequential storytelling and defined the standards to which other comics would be done for the next decade.
>>154116405How much is NATO paying you to discredit the only team of metahumans that actually accomplished something.
>>154116442that is fucking hilarious my dude
>>154116494>lost to NATO unironicallyThey deserved to be raped, tortured to death, and corpae raped.
>>154116548They could not defeat the powers of the G7. It's a cautionary tale.
>>154116685if this was how it ended, it would've been based
>>154114797>They're literally the Justice League but fascist despots. DC only uses him as villains or fodder for their own heroes to beat upneither of these sentences are even remotely accurate
>>154116716Is the end of the Millar run and the end of The Second Book.As I understand it, anon said the other day, Millar fell ill during that time and could not continue. Anon also said in another thread Grant Morrison was going to take over, but he signed with Marvel to take control of the X-Men series. Also explain why Frank Quitely did not continue with the Authority, because he also signed as the penciler of that X-Men series, around that time.
>>154116784Paul Levitz cancelled the book because he thought the content was disgusting, but relented and let them finish out the story.
>>154116851That largely explains why the series lost the energy that had before the G7 and NATO took over with their own superteam at the end. The Colonel having that existencial crisis was very weird.
>>154116784>Anon also said in another thread Grant Morrison was going to take over, but he signed with Marvel to take control of the X-Men series. Never heard that but considering the rumor Morrison ghostwrote most of Millar's Authority it's not impossible at one point but the official locked in creative team after Millar and Quitely was Brian Azzarello and Steve Dillon where Jesus Christ either joined the Authority or they fought him, I can't remember which. But after 9/11 they decided they didn't wanna do it anymore. No joke, you can look that up
>>154116975>Never heard that but considering the rumor Morrison ghostwrote most of Millar's Authority it's not impossibleUnconfirmed reports in this board indicate Morrison ghostwrote issue 28. His prose is there for sure.
>>154116975>>154117074Morrison eventually outright said he wrote that one.>He was trying to get into American comics, so I got him on in Swamp Thing, and they asked me to write the book but I said, "Let's get Mark in, let's give him a job," so I consulted with him on the stories, and so on through the Nineties. When he got the Authority book, his star started to rise, and at that point, he felt he was in my shadow and he had to get out, and the way to get out was to do this fairly uncool split. It was quite hard, I felt, but he had to make his own way, and he was in denial that I'd been there, because I saw a lot of his work had been plotted or devised, even dialogue suggestions were done by me right up until the point of The Ultimates. It was seen by him as a dimunition of his position, even though it wasn't, I was quite proud of him as a mentor.I don't believe he was ever going to write it full-time though. Morrison left DC for Marvel for two big reason. One, he was pissed off over how his Superman pitch he did with Millar, Waid, and Augustyn was turned down and they were told in no uncertain terms that they would never be on the main Superman on-goings. Two, because he felt they had sold him out to WB and let the Wachowskis plagiarize The Invisibles for The Matrix without giving him any money or credit.
>>154117718I still don't understand this.On what ground Morrison said The Matrix stole ideas from The Invincibles? Both are super different.
>>154117751>It’s really simple. The truth of that one is that design staff on The Matrix were given Invisibles collections and told to make the movie look like my books. This is a reported fact. The Wachowskis are comic book creators and fans and were fans of my work, so it’s hardly surprising. I was even contacted before the first Matrix movie was released and asked if I would contribute a story to the website.>It’s not some baffling ‘coincidence’ that so much of The Matrix is plot by plot, detail by detail, image by image, lifted from Invisibles so there shouldn’t be much controversy. The Wachowskis nicked The Invisibles and everyone in the know is well aware of this fact but of course they’re unlikely to come out and say it.>It was just too bad they deviated so far from the Invisibles philosophical template in the second and third movies because they blundered helplessly into boring Catholic theology, proving that they hadn’t HAD the ‘contact’ experience that drove The Invisibles, and they wrecked both ‘Reloaded’ and ‘Revolutions’ on the rocks of absolute incomprehension. They should have kept on stealing from me and maybe they would have wound up with something to really be proud of – a movie that could change minds and hearts and worlds.>I love the first Matrix movie which I think is a real work of cinematic genius and very timely but I’ve now heard from several people who worked on The Matrix and they’ve all confirmed that they were given Invisibles books as reference. That’s how it is. I’m not angry about it anymore, although at one time I was because they made millions from what was basically a Xerox of my work and to be honest, I would be happy with just one million so I didn’t have to work thirteen hours of every fucking day, including weekends.
>>154116494>>154116685
>>154117810Interesting. Thank you for sharing this.About this part:>It was just too bad they deviated so far from the Invisibles philosophical template in the second and third movies because they blundered helplessly into boring Catholic theology, proving that they hadn’t HAD the ‘contact’ experience that drove The Invisibles, and they wrecked both ‘Reloaded’ and ‘Revolutions’ on the rocks of absolute incomprehension.Rumor says around that time, the dominatrix that broke the brothers into sissies, Ilsa Strix, already took over the creative process. Some sources on /tv/ point to her as the "ghost director" of Reloaded and Revolutions.
>>154117853I wonder if I can edit her naked.
>>154104131This times 1,000. They're all the same.
>>154117853This was supposed to be Ted Turner btw
>>154101756>the most powerful super team of all time
>>154115409... No he shouldn't.
>>154120274Interesting
>>154115418>a crime we never learned...Just read Authority Prime.
>>154117718Morrison did sign on to write the Authority 'full time' for the WorldStorm relaunch, as well as WildCats.
>>154117810Neo being the One (Messiah) who dies to save the day was already baked into the first movie. In that sense it was already Catholic.That being said : I only read the first Invisibles book and didn't really like it (I generally like Morrison too)it didn't seem very Matrixy.
>>154118521...is not pictured in your post, either.
>>154120544Well? Post 'em.
>>154118521We need to go back.
>>154104268That was Basically Batman v Superman
>>154116405>NO FROGSUnderstandable
>>154120442Is that the penciler from The Boys?
>>154115409Not to derail the thread but I feel Rob Liefeld doesn’t have the girth for the amount of dick swinging he’s done. He walks around like he wrote Watchmen or Dark Knight but the most impressive thing he ever did in the business was raise sales on a failing x-men book…forty years ago. Like yeah he made Deadpool but I feel he’s really the Bob Kane to Deadpool in that he has very little to do with why the character is so popular today.
>>154120754They're called the Monarchy.
>>154121020And Transmetropolitan.
>>154122640X-Force was Marvel's #3 book behind X-Men and Uncanny X-Men, so he was king of the slop pile for the less-than-a-year he was on it.
>>154122957>Transmetropolitangave up on the second issuefucking retarded shit
>>154120523The themes of the Invisibles are also hardly new or unique territory in science fiction and fantasy. Given that Morrison doesn't really talk about specifics regarding the Wachowski's copying his material I think it's mostly him being salty about his lack of Hollywood success.
>>154116975>but the official locked in creative team after Millar and Quitely was Brian Azzarello and Steve Dillon where Jesus Christ either joined the Authority or they fought him, I can't remember which. IIRC it was both. From what I remember it was described like, first they fight, then Jesus and Authority probably come to an understanding, the Doctor OD's and dies, and then Jesus joins the team. I assume all of this would've had Frankfaces>>154117718I think I might know what that other anon might be thinking of. Millar at one point on his forum mentioned that Wildstorm wanted him and Morrison to take over the line. Supposedly this would've happened in 2000 or something, but it might be that between what happened with Superman 2000, the Matrix thing, The Authority censorship, and Marvel offering a better deal, Morrison and Millar went with Marvel instead.One other thing I remembered is that one of the projects Millar wanted to do in this Wildstorm deal was Run, which he originally wanted to do with Quitely. Years later he announced Run as part of the Millarworld launch (with Wanted, Chosen, and The Unfunnies), with Ashley Wood doing art. But then it didn't go anywhere. It might be that Millar reworked it into MPH but I don't think it was ever confirmed.
>>154114797Don't forget making The Question a right wing conspiracy nut. Purely to shit on Steve Ditko for his right wing political and religious beliefs.
>>154124772manand how many conspiracies turned out to be true?
>>154114797>DC only uses him as villains or fodder for their own heroes to beat upWhen?
>>154114797>DC always makes the heroes they buy from other companies look bad somehowBite your tongue
>>154120523I'm the opposite. It's one of the few Morrison comics I thoroughly enjoyed. I just wish the same art team worked on the whole thing.
>>154124772>You can't fight collectivism with collectivismI get his meaning, but that's technically how every group of tyrants take over communist systems.
>>154114797>DC always makes the heroes they buy from other companies look bad somehowDC makes every hero look bad so they can wank Batman to high heavens
>>154124772>Don't forget making The Question a right wing conspiracy nut.So The Question?
>>154114797I think thats mostly because Watchmen changed the original,characters.
>>154124772They made him a lefty faux-zenfaggot for decades before that.
>>154124849>forgetting the Patriot happened
Its a shame there was only a years worth of good content before Millar takes over and adds pointless edgy rape
>>154129296oh pleaselike it was good before that
>>154129317It wasn't bad, and had minimal cringe.
>>154129354it was dullso goddamn fucking dull
>>154129368Don't describe your own repetitive thinking, anon. We all can see.
>>154129420not an argumenti accept your concession
Ellis/Hitch and Millar/Quitely runs are both untouchable.This is a threat.
>>154129434>not an argument>I accept your concessionWhere did these faggy debate club terms come from? Reddit?
>>154130632no, they don't use logic on reddit
>>154128987DC made Moore make expies, so that they could pump out regular comics with those characters. They made The Question zen (after killing his Objectivist side) when Watchmen was still coming out.
>>154130999what a bunch of faggots
>>154130999There are two versions of that and I'm still not sure which to believe, because I can see with how the Watchmen pitch was written that it was easier for Moore and Gibbons to do as they like with facsimiles than if they had to make sense of deviations, like contorting things to make Nightshade Peacemaker's daughter.That said I can also see Len Wein reading that Peacemaker dies unceremoniously before the story starts and not having it.
>>154131123When the Watchmen pitch was written with Charlton characters, Moore didn't know what to write for Nightshade yet (he hadn't read much of her comics) and his Peacemaker was nothing like Comedian. However from the sound of things, it seemed he had the basic plotline in place, Peacemaker is killed, Thunderbolt is behind it all. It was likely that another outline had The Question killed off like Rorschach.>That said I can also see Len Wein reading that Peacemaker dies unceremoniously before the story starts and not having it.IIRC It was Dick Giordano who Moore pitched to, and Giordano worked at Charlton long before he worked at DC. Wein became editor of Watchmen after the pitch was approved.It also had to do with Moore pitching the project as separate from the DCU (because it would be the Charlton Earth; you can even read this intention in the pitch) and DC was in the process of integrating Charlton into DC during COIE.
>>154118485I always thought was Bill Gates. Or a very old Mark Zuckerberg.
>>154131284It's a parody of Turner, this was Millar trying to get a rise out of certain higher-ups at DC and WB at this point
>>154130632Insecurity. Anon can't take banter and needs xis cryspace.
>>154131881>and needs xis cryspace.Did you also get these terms from Reddit, too?
>>154104268No, that's actually the most believable part
>>154131897No, I made it up on the spot.Now you can go back.
>>154132125>Redditor telling someone to go backYou first
>>154101837I agree they don't really work any more, but I'm surprised they haven't come back as individuals or parts of other teams. Same with The Elite, Manchester is the only one who has had any staying power
>>154132144Coldcast would be cool af if they just got him out of the whole Elite schtick. The Elite are Black's vehicle, after all.
>>154132250most of the elite and authority would be good outside their respective teams. the only one i'd get rid of is jenny, she's just too ambiguously powerful and i hate that every writer thinks "century baby = jenny" when ellis created loads of them across wildstorm
>>154132406It makes me wonder if they read Planetary
Baby Jenny is like Baby Yoda?
>>154132434we're lucky if writers check wikipedia now
>>154124849>Banished to get rolled out in mini's once a decade to job to Nazis or punch Nazi Superman on his period.Great transition.
>>154132406Some jackass made multiple Jenny's through time and based it in materialist progressivism.
>>154133024There is one Jenny for each AGE of human history. Jenny reincarnates to express an AGE in particular.All Jennies live in the Jennyspace, a safeheaven for Jennies but nobody knows if Jennyspace is inside or outside The Wildstorm™ Snowflake™ the monster-group based set that stores the whole Wildstorm™ universe™
>>154122640All the image guys were just lucky they were working around the time of the speculator boom.
>>154133216Thanks for the retarded wiki copypaste, ChatGPT.
The Wildstorm Universe is severly uderrated. It has so many complety forgotten gems. Even random shit like Brass looks cool as fuck.
>>154133242Todd would've been fine since he was such a power house in the industry and none of the stuff he did really was aimed at speculators. Jim and Rob I unironically think would've been better off without the speculators pulling them in twenty different directions and they could just focus instead on one book. The other four (three really since Portacio's book didn't start till almost two years later) you're absolutely right. Rob flooded the market though in a way that'd make modern Marvel blush, I remember going to flea markets as a kid in the late 90s, seeing comic boxes, getting excited, only to find they were literally all just the unsold stock of Liefeld Extreme Studios slop
>>154133320>you are totally right...that was actually a child hospital
>>154133337I think Morrison's Worldstorm pitch of "what would super hero comics for grown ups actually look like" for Wildstorm would've been the fuckin' jizz and would love for someone else to relaunch Wildstorm with that in mind
why do all of these panels look like they were inked in MSPaint?
>>154133432looks delicious.
>>154133242>>154133359Silvestri was already making a name for himself on X-Men in the late 80s so I think he would've done ok even if Image never formed.Valentino I think definitely benefited from going over to Image. His GOTG had fans but not to the extent of McFarlane/Lee/LiefeldLarsen maybe, though the caveat would be that his success at Image partly came about because he was the artist on ASM after McFarlane and still kept the momentum going
>>154116405Soo...did the G7 digged up Jenny Sparks corpse and send it to the guy or did he fucked to death a lookalike chick?
>>154133748Taking into the account what the G7 did to the rest of the team, they made a Posthumous Desecration, King Charles II style, out of good old Jenny. On their own grotesque terms, of course.
I really didn't like Hitch. I prefer Quitely, even with his wonky-ass faces.
>>154134796I love both. Both are amazing pencilers.
>>154133337Thank you for introduce me to Brass. I found a threat about the meta human cold war lore I was looking for.Thank you, thank you thank you.
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>>154133337SOUL
>>154104000That's sad man
Brass artwork is very cool.It could have been a great toy line produced by Eastern or a Western manufacturer.
The Engineer would have worked quite well with this team. The artwork is amazing.
>>154138435Apparently that artwork took several years to produce. I think Brass was originally supposed to be a WildStorm launch title, but ended up being quite late.There's also a sequel series from after DC acquired WildStorm with a different standard.
>>154134852Welcome to WildStorm.
>>154133376HA HA HE JUST DECIDED TO KILL THEM ALL SO EDGY
>>154139286Just like in real life.
>>154139321Except without power armors
>>154101756It's a thing of its time. Let it be that way. Don't try to modernize it or anything like that.
>>154140055They already are modern, anon. Everything is the Authority now.They were too strong. The Monarchy couldn't stop it.
Just more edgy garbage in the end.
>>154140314These are comic books.
>>154114797The authority were only reaping what they had sown with their cheap edgy knockoffs of everyone else >>154133376
>>154138435That looks like fucking garbage.
>>154140379I hope you overcome depression.
>>154140498Look at that shit>>154138405Its like an indistinct mass of tumours with some random gubbins inserted.
>>154140609Could be improved isolating the characters and working on them with inking and coloring. In fact I am tempted to try and refactor them, with the right tooling. The character designs are really interesting and definitely worth the attempt.
>>154140652There's nothing to improve, he is just a contrarian retard.
>>154140695but I want to try it.
>>154140716you will fail son
>>154115409Based Rob Liefeld
>>154140695Except its an accurate description.
>>154140847sure thing retardo the contrarian
Capecomics in general are pretty shit when it comes to mechanical design.
>>154101837If anything it would be warmly welcomed today if it actually stuck to its guns and didn’t try to water down the premise. It just couldn’t work in main DCU for obvious reasons
>>154140729You're just a cunt, let someone try. Its the only way to improve.
>>154117899Women are too powerful
>>154133376The 21st Century baby getting aborted would be a pretty Ellis/Ennis/Millar/Morrison plot pointLike, I'm sure that would pop up if any of the four were forced to write a Hawkman and Hawkwoman book; they would have figured out some funny way to fuck with the synchronized reincarnation cycles
>>154133385>hat would super hero comics for grown ups actually look likeKinda strange since Wildstrom itself tried to do just that when they relaunched all of their core series under the mature readers only Eye of the Storm line. It was a short period but we got bangers out of it like Sleeper and Automatic Kafka.
>>154134852You welcome. Both volumes are pretty good.
>>154104000What a boring piece of shite that book was. One of the reasons I can't really feel bad for Ellis getting cancelled. He was all out of creative juice by that time.
>>154117899>he dominatrix that broke the brothers into sissies, Ilsa StrixDamn, two siblings at once?
>>154140200>The Monarchy>The EstablishmentEven these second-rate Authority spin-offs were pretty readable. Worth digging out of the dollar bins
>>154140910Fine do it
>>154133748they dug up her corpse
>>154133748He fucked the real corpse in the uncensored version that you can find in the recent omni. He only got lookalike (and so far alive) models in the original published issue. Also, fun fact: the guy is heavily implied to be David Beckham.
>>154141079>Also, fun fact: the guy is heavily implied to be David Beckham.That seems incredibly pointless
>>154141149It’s just Millar doing his share of shitting on Beckham during his peak years of celebrity
>>154141079Are there scans with the live lookalike version?Also...he doesnt look.much like Beckham.
>>154141200Why? Beckham is kinda okay. Posh spice is the bitch
>>154141745People are always annoyed by the same celebrities being seen anywhere and love shitting on them. Just look at how much this website whines about Pedro Pascal just because he became popular after being in couple of hit TV shows.In Beckham’s case it’s actually a step worse because both David and Victoria are notorious about monetising their celebrity and private lives and turning their entire family into a brand. They sold exclusive rights of their wedding to a celebrity magazine for example.
>>154141079>>154141200Brits muster a level of hatred for their celebrities I will never truly grasp.
>>154141860Popular? Sure, in the same way the rog from Spider-Man was popular
Its just another example of capeshit creators being incredibly petty individuals.
>>154141860No were annoyed cause hes pro trans and is creepy towards women
>>154142267>were annoyed
>>154101756they were pretty cool but warren ellis ruined capeshit comics forever with his decompression gayness and tradepaperback storyarcsand for that he needs to suffer
>>154141079This is like when Moore made Harry Potter the antichrist school shooter
>>154142267>No we hated him because we’re bigotsOh well that just makes you even more worse than stupid people
>>154142808Its 2026. Faggots shouod know "bigots" is one of the most meaningless words when you can use "normal".You will be purged
