JLA or JSA?
>>154118608Teams suck.
>>154118684Nope
>>154118608JLA
>>154118608JSA is more interestingJLA is more accessible
>>154118608Only some JLA teams are interesting. JSA is more consistently interesting but not as much as the better JLA teams.
>>154119873Would she still be your cousin if she's from an alternate universe?
>>154118608I can't choose, feels like it's two different (nice) vibes>>154120703alternatively it means she had the hots for her actual cousin from her Earth...
>>154118608Jsa is consistently better written
>>154118608Not like this Kylebros
>>154121473>I'm getting perverted thoughts..
Does anyone even care about the JSA before the 2000s
>>154118608Gee Vixen you look pretty Namor!
>>154121703Is a thing among hardcore fans, being the first superhero team and sheit, like the doom patrol, I always expected it to be an unexpected hit
I like both teams for separate reasons
>>154122663which ones
>>154118608JSA is, or was anyway, consistently better. JLA as a team and book was middling more often than not.
>>154118608JSA but it's a story arc where Alan and Guy are working cases together and it spreads out into full Society business.
>>154121703Yes, they were popular enough to get a mini in the '80s, an event dedicated to bringing them back, another mini in 1991 and an ongoing in 1992. The 1992 ongoing was well received but was quickly cancelled simply because Mike Carlin didn't like them and thought having a book about older heroes made DC seem old (same logic used to fuck with them in the 2010s). He had most of them killed off or sent into retirement in Zero Hour right after their book was cancelled too.Ironically it was Zero Hour that birthed Starman which used a lot of Golden Age characters and lead to the 1999 JSA book. So Carlin's attempts to fuck the JSA over eventually had the opposite effect.
>>154118608Lemire’s JSA and JSA 2022 are mid at best and yet they’re both still better than every JL run since McDuffie’s except for maaaybe later parts of new 52 JL.Justice League is the biggest shitty team in comics whose reputation is held together by just being DC’s flagship solo characters together in one book. They have less than 10 great or even good runs despite their allegedly prestige due to not being able to have character development anymore and being just world/universe/multiverse ending threats and events.
>>154118608JLA doesn’t have incest implications so JSA
>>154125787Nor does JLA have their villains fucking their kids
>>154125799
>>154118608JSA. I prefer more character driven books to spectacle books.JLA books are hindered by Bats/Supes/WW/Flash/GL taking up most of the roster outside of the 80s to mid 90s. It's basically doomed to not having much or any character introspection and development due to the aforementioned characters having their own solos, and DC treats their C listers like crap due to not being Batman so they won't get development/introspection there either.Also JSA simply has a better track record.They're okay to great from the All Star Comics relaunch in 1976 all the way to Johns' departure in 2009, and Earth 2 was a terrible idea with okay execution while Robinson was on it before it went down the toilet when that editor pissed him off and ended up filling the book with Batman and Superman characters. Meanwhile silver age JLA is some of the worst silver age DC stuff and Bronze Age JLA is technically readable with the first half of it basically being an extension of the silver age JLA. Detroit was terrible. JLI is of course one of the best JL runs. Then in the 90s they had some shitty shit like JL Europe, Extreme Justice, and post Zero Hour. Then of course Morrison's is good though mostly spectacle, and the rest of that volume was pretty decent even if it did have some terrible effects (eg Tower of Babel's influence). Meltzer and McDuffie were fine even if Identity Crisis' ugly head reared over it, and JL and most of its spinoffs (United, Dark, etc) has been outright shit ever since McDuffie left. And Johns' third JSA run and Lemire's run are mediocre at best but it's still somehow better than whatever the fuck Snyder's run and Unlimited are.
>>154122663JLA JSA
>>154125052Not only was the 1992 ongoing well received, it actually gained sales with each issue.And in the same vein Infinity Inc wasn't cancelled due to low sales, it was actually a consistent mid tier seller despite getting past 50 issues, but DC wanted a Helix spinoff and then never did the Helix spinoff.
This is now a JSA threadA few weeks ago there were people saying the new Kid Eternity should be asian due to JSA only have Judomaster >>153622772 and they got their wish. In the latest JSA issue she and her grandma were shown wearing kimonos so she may have been dead for a long time I'm gonna laugh if Lemire has her having died in Hiroshima's bombing or something
>>154126677The thing about it is hating the JSA because they're old is hating what makes them appealing. The JSA existing and being prominent connects the modern DCU to its origins in a visible and tangible way and helps give DC its own identity. Marvel's innovation in the Silver Age was making its characters have more human foibles in the here and now but it's connection to its pre-Fantastic Four era has always been more tenuous even with things like Invaders (a Bronze Age creation).DC's sense of legacy and that thread connecting the JSA heroes of the past to the JLA heroes of the present and the Teen Titans heroes of the immediate future and the Legion of the far future is what was cool about DC. Marvel was the modern soap opera while DC was an ages spanning historical epic and shitting on, downplaying or eliminating the JSA is like ripping the soul out of the entire company. You're directly damaging the building's foundation.
>>154126967Samefagging but this is also, for me anyway, why when Marvel digs into its past it's better off not reaching into the Timely era (save for Cap, Namor and Torch) but rather the Atlas era. The early Cold War thing of spies, ray guns, pulpy adventure and all that. When the Atlas era chacters and concepts are brought back, it's like you're being clued in to some secrets that were being covered up by G-Men. That you're being exposed to hidden mysteries you weren't supposed to know about that go against the "official" narrative of the Marvel Age starting with the FF. It's why turning Agents of Atlas into The Asian Team is one of the stupidest, most ill-conceived moves I've ever seen. By shifting it from Truman and Eisenhower era characters to fucking Aero and Luna Snow and Amadeus Cho you've defeated the team's entire purpose and appeal.
>>154118608What kind of name is Sand?Is he stupid?
>>154127037His name is Sanderson Hawkins and he went by Sandy the Golden Boy when he was a sidekick and Sandy is a girl's name so Johns and Goyer called him Sand instead
>>154118608JLA is mid more often than not desu.
JSA.JLA outside Morrison and JLI never worked outside some Kelly or busiek issues.Morrison(and sorta tower of babel) actually fucked the JL and Avengers, every big team book needed to be like Morrison JLA, while thing like JSA or Geoff TT worked better because it wasn't as big.
>>154127046So he is stupid then.
Always found funny how Wildcat origin was about GL being a comic character.And now both Alan Scott and Wildcat are too linked to Gotham so this origing feel weird
>>154127653Alan was always in Gotham, Bill Finger was his creator. JSA headquarters were originally in Gotham too.
>>154118608She is so fucking cute
>>154126924Truthfully guessing she was Asian was following a lot of context clues.You already have a black female and 2 Latina females on the team (Beth and then Kendra and Yolanda).So many white blondes with PG, Courtney and Jesse.Just had a brunette white girl with Helena Wayne. So it would be boring to make the new black haired girl just another white chick.
Would Red Canary be a good legacy to join the team in Black Canary’s place?She’s already good friends with Powergirl.
>>154128791Meh. The team is already overstuffed and they have multiple unpowered members in both Dr Midnites, both Wildcats, Huntress, etc + the unpowered people with technology that gives them at least one thing that's special like Terrific, Stargirl, Hourman, the Hawks, etc.She'd probably just do better in a Birds of Prey book, that book needs to be more street level anyway instead of bringing in the likes of Barda or Vixen constantly.
>>154128874Yeah, but Birds of Prey already has Sin and Maps for that.
>>154118608>>154119873With this line-up and art? JSA>>154120703She was still an Atlantean unrelated to Superman at the time
>>154128931Well Sin should've been Red Canary to begin with instead of being a new OC so Red Canary can fuck off if Sin is there. Also isn't Maps like atime travel or something in that book? Nobody is going to continue that
>>154128874The team needs a matron heroine since Hippolyta is off on Mount Olympus and Shiera Hawkgirl is Kendra. Fucking DC killed off Jesse’s mother Libby Lawrence.
>>154129152Ma Hunkel, Helena Fury, Joan Ms America, and Sandra Phantom Lady are options.Or for a wildcard option they can bring Rose Canton back, she's survived a couple crazy shit back in the golden age and the magic sap that gave her her powers can just leave her immortal or some shit. And there could be some interesting storytelling options and interactions between her and the twins.
>>154125052And now, aside from Alan and Jay, none of the members are old any more anyway.
>>154129337Unfortunately Sandra the first Phantom Lady was killed off panel some time ago. This was confirmed in the Wonder Woman Absolute Power tie in comic.
>>154129337I’d prefer Joan Dale stay with Uncle Sam on for the Freedom Fighters.
>>154118608Infinity Inc
>>154129390Anon you and I both know Freedom Fighters aren't going to get anything ever againIt's an outright miracle that the 2018 book didn't get cancelled at 6>>154129394Based
>>154129436I just don’t want the current members to become jobbers in the JSA comic like the previous team did. And Geoff had some new characters that could be younger members of the team: Cherry Bomb, Ladybug, Betsy Ross and Molly Pitcher.
>>154129642The only half way salvageable one of that entire group was Salem. Everybody else either had boring personalities or boring designs.
>>154129695>boring designsShut your mouth about my teen waifus!
>>154129718Get better taste
>Obsidian’s boyfriend looks like his dad, complete with slicked back hair>Alan seems to prefer brunettes and his son is oneWhat did DC mean by this
>>154130061When I hear JSA now, I think of hot chicks like this and not old men.
>>154129436On a side note, the new book straight up took a nuke to JSA canon by erasing wholesale hector and Lyta from canon. A huge thing given how Hector as Dr Fate was pretty much the main character of the 00s JSA
>>154130226They were in New History of the DC Universe at least. So they exist in canon in the past tense.Lyta was also mentioned in the Wonder Woman Absolute Power tie in.
>>154129337I would only want to see Rose/Thorn if it was either focused on her, her backstory, her time on Themiscyra, her general problems, etc or if she were apart of an Obsidian focus storyline. He has gotten so much from her it’s only fair he would be more central to her than Jade or Alan. But DC doesn’t care about Rose nor Obsidian so she’s just gonna stay dead.
>>154128931>>154129009Sin isn't an unpowered martial artist anymoreFor some godforsaken reason Kelly Thompson had her possessed by a Greek monster calling herself MegaeraNow Sin has lame plant powers. She generates vines out of her body or something It's so fucking stupid
>>154129642>>154129695Ladybug is pretty cute, you could probably do a lot of fun things with her since she shrinks But the whole Miraculous Ladybug thing might complicate that
>>154129337The original Phantom Lady would be a good choice. She’s too old to put on a costume like her successor and granddaughter. But she could head some of the training like Ted Grant did.
>>154118608Diana has the biggest ass here so JLA
>>154131299Original Phantom Lady could always join the JSA just for being Starman’s cousin.
>>154131648
>>154128467Martin Nodell created Green Lantern. Bill Finger just took his submission page and gave it some depth, much like he did with Batman.
Man I love Queen Hippolyta!
When is she joining the JSA?
Gay, bi lesbian, straight
The main stars of the JSA
>>154133840>straightIt'll only be a matter of time before Jay Garrick becomes Gay Garrick. Taylor did it with Alan because he and writers like him hate the genre and its readers and specifically get a kick out of ruining it as much as possible so taking one of the foundational heoes and making him a fudge packer despie how nonsensical it is gave him a raging boner. Earth 2 gave him a retarded way to justify it but we all know people like that will be able to pull any retarded justification out of their asses that they want.
>>154134510Actually, rather than that I’m sure they’ll keep Jay straight but make his new daughter a lesbian.So that you get a straight old couple with Jay/Joan dealing with their daughter coming out.
I knew it.
>>154133254Who is this?
>>154130061Those milkers…
>>154133254Hopefully never, there’s already two speedsters. Hopefully they’ll retcon her out or just kill her.
>>154137108Jesse can just focus on her Liberty Belle powers.
>>154137126I don’t think Jesse has the shockwave/vibration powers her mom did, she has the superstrength which is a dime a dozen
>>154118608Which one of the two is Marvel and which one is DC?
>>154134768Pretty sure Joan is dead
How do i into the JSA? What do i read
>>154138806This ain’t even all the women on the team.
>>154129152>>154129337They could also bring back Firebrand.
>>154131548trvth nvke
>>154118608I like the JSA comics that take place in the 30s-50s
>>154138806Like >>154126292 said JSA is readable to great from like 1976 all the way to 2009, if you can tolerate bronze age prose, but JSA 1999 is the best entry point.All Star Comics (1976)All Star Squadron (1981)Infinity Inc (1984)Last Days of the Justice SocietyJustice Society (1991)Justice Society (1992)JSA: The Golden Age (1993)JSA (1999)JLA/JSA Virtue and ViceJSA (2007) (stop when Johns leaves)JSA vs KobraJSA related characters:Sandman Mystery TheatreStarmanSTARS and StripeHourman by PeyerManhunter by AndreykoThe Shade (2012) by Robinson
>>154118608>JLA vs JSA thread turns into JSA threadJLA bros we have to fight back...
>>154118608JSA always manages to be better than everybody else even when they're shit.>all of DC's team books are ass right now>Lemire's JSA is somehow the least ass>all the Dark Multiverse oneshots were edgy mediocrity >the JSA one was somehow the least ass (pic related)
For me, it's the Justice Guild of America.
JLI
>>154140771Surprised they haven't shown up in the comics on one of the Earths.
>>154140892The only good Justice League run.
>>154139982Not him but should I bother getting the Golden Age Finests?
>>154118608I'll take either or honestly
>>154129337>>154131299>>154131648>>154131895>>154132298It's a shame Kate Manhunter didn't get Sandra's boobs
>>154129642I had every single one of those characters. The JSA cast was bloated enough, now it's unreasonably massive. I hope they get mulched or atleast forgotten about.
>>154129009I totally agree. DC fucked over what they already had instead of developing their cast. Now Red Canary is just another forgettable legacy slop character piled onto a massive cast.
>>154143109Fuck you. Red Canary is a cute college age Filipina that looks like my sister. We deserve some rep too.
>>154143179Then make Jade and Obsidian hapas like their Stargirl counterparts and make their mom fully filipina, nobody remembers they're white most of the time anyway
>>154143433That worked in the Stargirl tv adaptation but that doesn’t work in comics where they’ve been established as white for decades.
I've said it before but while I like the idea, Geoff Johns is the most boring writer in the world to me and he's had a stranglehold on the franchise for about 20 years so I've never really been able to get into it.
>>154143454Yeah, you can't just suddenly change a decades old character's identity like that, completely ignoring previous canom for stupid reasons. That would be really stupid if they did that. I hope they never do!
>>154143179They can just say Sin is filipino. I mean, they never said she wasn't did they? There are enough Chinese girls in DC as it is.
>>154143579That’s for sexual orientation not ethnicity when both parents are known.
>>154143623And Alan Scott was known to be heterosexual for the previous eighty years of his existence.
>>154140771It's funny how they were meant to be a Golden Age pastiche but they were far more Silver Age coded. I never quite understood who Tom Turbine was meant to be.
>>154143693The creators said Al Pratt.
>>154125787Hnnnnng homoflexible sibling incest EROTIC
>>154125799Damn Hath-Set!!!! That’s one way to become Hawkman’s arch nemesis.
>>154143636He lived a lie for so many years...
Tom King also made Helena Wayne homosexual.
>>154144269Statiscally in a group this big someone may be secretly gay
>>154144269Who gives a fuck about Helena Wayne? I don't care if he digs some nobody out of the trash to make her eat pussy.
>>154144395I give a fuck about her.
>>154126924I like the new Kid Eternity, she’s cute. She’s probably going to disappear when Lemire leaves though which is disappointing.
>>154144545With Stargirl now college age and Jakeem toward the end of high school, Kid Eternity is probably the youngest JSA member now.
>>154119873DC: Degenerate Comics
>>154144269Hawt
>>154144499A ho for sho
>>154119873Not like this, not with that newsboy haircut
>>154144499Doubt.
>>154146468Dr Midnight looks really dorky in that costume
>>154146468I'm glad Yolanda is gaining more prominence but it's unfortunate that it has to come at the expense of Ted dying.
>>154118608JLA less Geoff Johns
>>154146940I figured Ted was going to be doomed soon in comics when they killed him off in the beginning of the Stargirl tv series.
>>154146940>>154147251Plus had been decades since the last elder JSA members was killed off.
>>154146940She’s going to end up having an affair with Hourman while Rick and Jesse are on a break.
>>154147948I'm kinda surprised Rick is even still a hero at all, being a pharmacutical exec.
>>154148772This costume is so much cooler than the Liberty Belle look. And not just because her ass is out.
The best
When are they going to let Willpower into the JSA?
>>154144269She was already burning coal in the 80's with Blackwing. King's a total chomo faggot lol
>>154149579She should be bisexual and go both ways like her mother catwoman.Thus JSA proving it’s hereditary:Alan>ToddHippolyta>DianaSelena>Helena
>>154149579When Jakeem Thunder impregnates a girl and it’s then it’s made known that whoever the owner of the Thunderbolt is, they pass on the electric metagene to their offspring.
>>154149095Dat ass
>>154121473I love Maxine, she's such a cute dork.
To help encourage more discussion, what do you think the biggest character flaw of various JSA characters are?>OldiesAlan, Jay, Ted G, Ted K, Al P, Jim, Wes, Kent, Carter, Libby, Hippolyta, Dinah D, ShieraInfinity IncTodd, Jennie, Al R, Lyta, Hector, Norda, Hank, Rick, Beth, Yolanda, Peeg, Helena W, Mr Bones, Sylvester>1999 Jesse, Sandy, Courtney, Jakeem, Terrific, Pieter, robot Hourman>2007Maxine, Grant, Sonia, Citizen Steel, Lightning, Mister America, King Chimera>2022 onwardKhalid, Kid Eternity
>>154119873>>154118608Carlos Pacheco is so underrated.
>>154154071>Alan, Jay, Ted G, Ted K, Al P, Jim, Wes, Kent, Carter, Libby, Hippolyta, Dinah D, ShieraI'm more interested in ranking them in the bad parent olympics lmaoJay = Hippolyta > Dinah Drake > Shiera > Ted Knight > Ted Grant > Al Pratt > Libby >>> Carter > Wes = AlanShiera is only that high because Hector didn't beef with her and seemed to love her a lot and show her affection compared to how he did Carter, and Al Pratt did well with Al but Walter was a literal sociopath
>>154146802Nobody gives a shit about her or Yolanda (or Wildcat's furry son). Her outfit looks bad though because it lacks all the elements that make Charles and Pieter's looks cool. The dark cowl and dark green cape with the red to break it up, the simple crescent clasps and belt and the goggles not being as big and the color again contrasting with the dark cowl.That costume is simultaneously too streamlined (it won't look cool standing on a rooftop at night) while having too many needless details. A good example of how shit modern costume design is.
>>154156674You make it sound like it's Rick's first costume. Beth's new outfit is boring but it's not terrible, the worst thing about it is the cowl randomly being light green when the only other light green things are those two circles. It's still better than whatever the fuck she was wearing in the 80s.
>>154157255Both suck. The Doctor Mid-Nite outfit is one of the rare Golden Age designs like Captain Marvel or Black Terror where they really nailed it out of the gate.Alan and Jay's outfits are weird in that I think something about them in their time is goofy and gaudy but them wearing them as old men winds up working and giving the costumes an air of respectability.
>>154157323Jays outfit is fine, it’s just a sweater and jeans with a WWI helmet they attribute to being his dad’s.Alan’s is gauche and ugly but in canon it’s supposed to be.
At least the females on the team dress sexy.
the Golden Age JSA were good clean fun
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>>154118608JSA is better enve 2006-2011 run is one of the greatest modern team run.
Thoughts on pale future Helena Wayne Huntress?
>>154149006He doesn't want to be one though. It's a running joke that Rick was forced at gunpoint to become a big pharma suit by his dad, as he really wanted to be an artist instead.Controlling parents are why Rick and Beth are best friends, as Beth was a doctor who's parents were conservative Christians who were upset she wasn't a tradwife
>>154150084Did you mean to reply to this? >>154149557
>>154162273Yes.But for that other post, it’s not unusual to see Helena hooks up with a black man. What was weird is that the guy was younger than her.I wouldn’t be shocked if the current Helena Wayne ended up with Jace Fox.
>>154161577I really want the new Helena Wayne to return to the JSA. Lemire said he’d have her after a bit.She was last seen in the Justice League Dark Tomorrow special with Gold Beetle, Marilyn Moonlight, Terry McGinnis and Amazing Man
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>>154163076That top part needs to show cleavage.
>>154118608Everything I’ve read from the JSA I’ve enjoyed. Though the roster is pretty fucking bloated. Like it’s weird that Alan Scott and Jay Garrick are still around. Apparently nobody ages or dies in DC. I would just keep them in the past, like 40s-80s, and then retire the poor bastards
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>>154158428And yet it’s Obsidian who is dressed the sexiest
>>154164252PG has always been its sexiest member.
>>154164252He looks retarded
>the end of the Alan Scott mini reveals Alan went back in time to watch Jade and Obsidian grow upDo you Alan just left every time Todd started getting his ass beat??? It’s not like he could just intervene and change the past.
>>154164252Obsidian has a human form? That’s disturbing
>>154164755He probably jerked off to it
>>154164780Only if you’re a lesbian…
>>154159432WATCH OUT JUDY!
>>154166412Honk
>>154166412Too late
