Why did Ragnarok not get nearly as much flak as Love and Thunder, it has all the same problems that Love and Thunder had.
>whyfag>retardedEST
>>154119603It came out at a time when it wasn't cool to hate the MCU any criticism was met with hostility even on /co/.
>>154119603it really doesntjust the fact that Ragnarok isnt another romcom like Thor 1, 2 and 4, makes it already better
>>154119603It came before Infinity War
>>154119603Ragnarok was the first wind, everyone thought it a fluke and that Waititi wouldn't always be this obnoxious
>>154119603stupid thread
People complained about it but it was seen as a freak one off and the hype for IW and EG in the future mostly let people forgive it. L&T came out when the MCU was in it's shit phase and the one original Avenger coming back and still having a shit movie just kind of made people realize it wasn't going to be able to recover.
>>154119603The MCU had the world under a spell at that time and as such no one wanted to recognize the problems that were always there.
>>154119603Novelty. It wore out fast and now most people will tell you it wasn’t all that great. But theyre just told to be quiet by shills and hit with the narrative that it’s “revisionist” as if having an evolving/maturing opinion is a bad thing.
>>154119666Thor 1 is the only good Thor solo flick. And honestly it’s not even close.
>>154122225It's the only one that at least tried to go for the Shaekesperean tone of the comics. It not being irony poisoned like the Waititi films also helps.
>>154119603It had enough fun stuff to make people ignore the fact that it basically ruined Thor's whole corner of the MCU.Although, IN FAIRNESS, "The Dark World" made it pretty understandable that people wouldn't mind Thor's corner of the MCU being ruined. Had Ragnarok been the sequel to Thor I suspect it would've gotten a lot more flak.
>>154121861The people that complained about it were shut out by other people telling them they hated fun and were supportive of Thor being a full comedy, so many people were saying that it made Thor not boring.
>>154119603Yeah, I don't get it. I HATED all the jokes interrupting EVERY dramatic scene in Ragnarok.
>>154125938Ragnarok and Dr. Strange are the worst examples of an MCU movie just refusing to let something cool happen. Everything is undercut by a joke or some "witty" observation. Honestly, I hated Ragnarok from the jump because it went out of it's way to destroy everything that makes Thor Thor. His supporting cast was all killed, Asgard was destroyed, all traces of Norse inspiration were just gone. By the end it was indistinguishable from Guardians of the Galaxy.
>>154119603Because at the time it was seen as a breath of fresh air for the Thor movies and people still like Waititi's brand of humor (as a NZer I don't get his appeal tbdesu). These days thanks to the reappraisal of the early MCU movies, it's looked upon much less favourably as an example of everything wrong with post Whedon post-GotG MCU.
>>154122166What "problems" were already there? What problems specific to Waititi Thor specifically?
>>154128144Big disregard for the source material (despite the studio prouding themselves on "comic accuracy"), underdeveloped villains, lack of sincerity, tonal whiplash, flat cinematography and lack of variety between projects. Even the behind the scenes process has remained the same since Iron Man; the big reshoots are not at all exclusive of the newer movies (even Endgame was being extensively reworked a few months before release). Waititi's Thor rode the high of GotG style while that was still a fresh thing for audiences, and while Ragnarok had a bit more restraint, L&T went full retard with most of the above mentioned problems since Marvel at that time was so high up it's own ass it thought it could do anything and audiences would still eat it up (and is a strong contender for the worst MCU movie).
>>154125995I wonder what our media would look like now if it weren't for irony poisoning and nostalgia bait (two of the biggest narrative cancers at the moment).
>>154119603Thunder is good, actually.
>>154128305I'd be fine with Love and Thunder if they didn't kill of Jane. That turned the film from a 7/10 to a 3.
I dunno, Ive always hated it way more for fucking over the WWH storyline before it began, just for a couple of giggles.
>>154119603As a Warriors Three fan, this film nearly mind broke me.
>>154119603Probably because the ending is pretty "bad" overall for Thor. He gets fucked up a lot, Midgard gets destroyed and whatever survivors are left are just drifting around in space afterwards.Thor basically spends the entire MCU getting punished, even in his own movies, so I think people could forgive him for being a little silly at that point in time. His attitude seems very much like he's coping with all the loss. It's best shown in Infinity War when he opens up a bit to the Guardians of the Galaxy.
>>154119618>ESTwhat does Eastern Standard Time have to do with this? We're in Eastern Daylight Time until November.
>>154128348Hulk is sdaly in cinematic limbo so we can only conform ourselves with crumbs. Of course those crumbs COULD be used well but you know they won't (hopefully BND uses him well tho).
>>154119618>replyfag
>>154128271>what our media would look like now if it weren't for irony poisoningGod I want to live in a world where Whedon's mom got that abortion.
>>154128433Comparing Ragnarok to the First Avengers movie or Buffy shows shows how bad your understanding of storytelling actually is
>>154128456Fucking auto correct
>>154128348THIS.>Comics Miek is so close to Hulk and Korg that when Miek's betrayal is revealed Hulk is so fucking pissed every step he takes creates an earthquake that could literally shake apart the continent>Movie Korg and Miek "lol I stepped on Miek oopsie he might be dead xD"
Consider Hela...
This was the movie that convinced me the MCU was worth watching beyond the guardians movies. I still haven't seen Love and Thunder, but if dumbshits like you say they're about the same maybe I'd love it.
>>154119603That movie was when I stopped watching MCU altogether, didn't even wasted 3 hours on Endgame. Already got bored around CW and GoG but the latter was saved by the soundtrack
>>154129849>>154130195The duality of man
>>154119603All Thor films are faggoty, and Thor himself is a retarded faggoty character. The only thing good to come from them is Loki and his masterpiece of a fucking series. Honestly, even Thor’s comics suck.All things related to Thor as a character are Dogshit and he should be retconned from the character of Loki’s life. Thank FUCK Micheal Waldron fixed this shit, hope Thor dies in the films soon and hope he stays mortal and useless forever in the comics. Lmfao>>154122225That film, and the entire Infinity Saga is ass, I’m glad it’s all being retconned. Especially Thorslop. All of it proved usesless in the end. >>154123241Dark World makes me happy the faggot Loki in those films died to Thanos and the Loki variant in the series took his place. It’s proof Loki is a shit character when Thor is there to drag him down.
>>154129737sex
>>154130377Yeah, some men are retards (first poster) while others actually have functioning neurons (second), fancy that.
>>154131121Loki is turbo faggotry.
>>154131355Stale contrarianism is not a proof of intelligence.
>>154128348WWH was shit, you deserve the disappointment
>>154133108So was Civil War albeit
>>154131857Neither is agreeableness.Now go back to shove your Funko Pop collection up your ass.
>>154131294Right you are!
>>154119603Ragnarok had good moments, character stuff going on, better fights, better cgi and Hela
>>154128401Sometheen like thees or algo
>>154135187I hate being a phonefag
>>154119666>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xle7sikV9LQthis video is pretty good example of why its complete character assassinating trash.
>>154119603really cool poster though you have to admit
>>154119603Everything bad in this movie was way way way worse actually in Love and Thunder, and then on top of the same flaws it brought in shitty kid actors and the villain was even worse and less threatening than Hela who was already riding the line.
>>154128263Youre insisting the world was under a spell when.... everyone has always complained about these things especially the reviewers. You mean the normie audience not caring until they were told to care, so whats new, normies cant think for themselves? durr durr
>>154135314Not gonna suscribw to your channel bro>>154122225The movie is very well made, fair enough, but it's a bit boring for blockbuster standards... I Prefer full cosmic adventures which Ragnarok is, the human supporting characters are also expendable. Glad they aren't around at all in Thor 3
>>154136876pretending there's no entertainment or knowledge to be gained just because something is a youtube video just makes you a cretin. As is the implication I'd be in here serendipitously promoting a two year old video long out of the algorithm.
>>154136777>everyone has always complained about these things especially the reviewersYeah, because youtube reviwers are a great representation of general audiences' feelings>normies cant think for themselves?Unironically
>>154136961ehh I dont mean youtubers I mean like the actual film review people who work for websites like rolling stone and shit like that. But yea I dont like how normies get told what to think I grew up being picked on for interest in superhero comics, partial ten years or so when Mcu made that acceptable, now its mocked again. So its whatever to me, fuckem.
>>154136699Okay, I'll admit it.
>>154119603Odin's scenes alone make it one of the better MCU flicks.
>>154128385I feel your pain brother. Sif has likewise been completely wasted. God the Thor franchise was a massive failure of potential. It got to the point were I don't even want Bill to show up.
>>154125995>His supporting cast was all killed, Asgard was destroyed, all traces of Norse inspiration were just gone.I wouldn't even mind all this if it was treated with any amount of pathos but the movie suddenly shifts to wacky 80s synth comedy and a lesser version of Planet Hulk. The Warriors are barely mourned and Asgard's fall is treated as a gag.
I have a dumb question and this is the most relevant thread: if Thor places Mjolnir on your chest, would you be able to breathe in?
Love and thunder feels like it was paid vacation for all the crews, was Ragnarok give that kind of vibe too?
>>154139876Yes as seen when he does it to Loki.
>>154139906So you can lift it with your diaphragm but nothing else?
>>154139886No, Taika was way more reserved with Ragnarok which is why it's a better movie despite the similar tone with Thunder (which the assembly cut was said to be literally 4 hours of adlibbed jokes)
>>154129737Blanchett has a surprisingly nice butt
>>154119603Normtards are slow to catch up
>>154141027Why surprisingly?
>>154142011this
>>154142011>>154142423If it were up to me, Ragnarok would've been 70% Hela footage.
>>154119603Ragnarok had a lot of problems but the balance was still there, if at its absolute limit. Love and Thunder went completely over the edge.
>>154128391Because Thor is a boring faggot, not even Marvel likes Thor. You can tell they desperately want to get rid of him.>>154131606Watch the Loki series, specifically season 2, especially the badass finale. Loki is a chad.>>154125995Thor deserves to be destroyed. I’m glad the comics are following suit. Where Thor is destroyed Loki thrives as a character and everyone forgets fagThor ever existed as his superior brother becomes the face of the MCU.
>>154139906Loki IS a god though. He’s not mortal. What if it was done to a human?
>>154119603Too entranced by Hela.Gorr was lame.Also Ragnarok paints its picture with concepts from classical and Marvel's Asgardian myths. Extremely loosely, but it's there in how Hela and Thor's magic realize with story progress.Thor 4 references more things, but in execution seems to just splash buckets of paint at the wall.
>>154144927What balance, the only dramatic moment that's allowed to breath is Odin dying, they made a joke out of Asgard getting destroyed.
>>154145385>Too entranced by Hela.I think the Hela fags really don't get just how little she was actually in that movie
>>154119603It came out when the MCU was still a cultural phenomenon everybody was required to worship rather than a punching bag popularly known for having fallen off and definitely not being cool anymore
>>154149167No, I remember the lulls with Thor and Bruce moping and goofing around until they stumbled back to Asgard, I just tuned a lot of it out.
