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Bump if you're reading.
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hell yeah
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>>154142843
Here for Carol
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>>154142843
bump
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>>154142843
bump
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>>154142897
Is Rulk an ustasha?
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>what if world under doom but with rulk
>what if secret empire but with rulk
This is so gay.
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>>154142925
My HERO!!!
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And that's it. If you liked this, support your LCS or whatever.
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>>154142897
Vucicbros......we are about to be GAPED by Ross.
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>>154142949
>Namor in the Avengers
Based. I like this lineup.
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>>154142949
Avengers heroically gathering to stop Rulk from deposing tyrannical thirides that execute their political opponents.
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>>154142949
Colton's suit reminds me of Hydra Cap.
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>>154142894
That mural is real, but I'm pretty sure it looks a bit different in real life
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>>154142897
>Ross-sama......please....
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>>154142930
so Zdarsky is just ignoring that Aaron Namor run that no one read?
It's for the best
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>>154142843
bump
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>>154142953
That was fine, just set up but it's a first issue
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>>154142949
I mean, that is a pretty strong team and I doubt Ross's soldiers are at his level.
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>>154142949
Sam, Vision and Namor are going to die
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>>154142880
>After Civil War 2 Tony decides that maybe it is ok to rely on predictions
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>>154142887
It depresses me knowing that they don't mean the real Fury here
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>>154142887
>We could've had a Carol and Rogue Avengers team finally
Oh well, maybe next time
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>>154142916
CarolKEKS....
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>>154142916
I was gonna complain about this guy but now I think I like him
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>>154142916
KWAB!
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>>154143160
With Thor still out sick, Carol is now the designated jobber for new heavy hitters
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>>154142949
>Another lineup with no Hawkeye
Not looking good...
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>>154143201
He's on the team over in Captain Marvel Dark Past
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>>154142916
Would never happen to CHADhor btw.
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>>154143215
You got my hopes for a glorified cameo
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>>154142853
Are those sperm
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>>154142863
>SRA2
lame
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>>154142863
Dumb bitch.
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>>154142937
>arc reactor
When did that become a thing in 616 again? Weren't those RT nodes?
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>>154142916
Set up for a bad doujinshi with asanagi levels of misogyny
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>>154142916
Carol looking extra submissive here....
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>>154142916
Based, Carolkeks BTFO off the gate
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I feel like there needs to be more hulks for this to make sense to me?
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>>154142933
You're digging to deep, this is basically a rehash of World War Hulks but Ross is starting in another country this time
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Where Banner to BELT TO ASS Ross again?
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>>154143490
Hulk was stolen by a tranny demon because PKJ wanted to wank his OC off. Banner can't do shit yet
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>>154142963
Namor works better with the x-men, as he is an asshole cunt
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>>154142949
>Thing
>Namor
>Invisible Woman
>Human Torch
>Vision
>Danvers
>David Colton, who can chokeslam Carol into oblivion with one hand
>two of the smartest men on Earth in Reed and Stark
>and a bunch of street tier dudes
Genuinely, how does this team not fold Ross and his dollar store Hulks and get back to their business next morning? We already saw Danvers alone straight up beating Rulk to death in one of the future visions, and she is not even in top 5 strongest on that team.
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>>154142933
>This is so gay.
well, it's a pride month...
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>>154143520
Ok, where Skaar to BTA Ross then?
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>>154143532
because it's a fucking event. the power level depends on the writer. a writer can have an eyeball mutant (whatever his name) defeat Thanos and Hulk, if he wants to
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>>154142935
Spider-Man, you know like half a dozen people who Spider alone plus all your other friends who are considered "street level". I'm sure they could do things while you wage war overseas.
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>>154142949
>Carol
>Namor
>Grimm
>Logan
>Colton
>Stark with GORILLION armors
Kek, how is Ross a threat?
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>>154143467
>i'm digging too deep
>goes back to loeb era hulk
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>>154143558
Spider-Man knows that he shouldn't be a full time Avenger and is trying to avoid it. Unfortunately we all know it doesn't stick
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>>154142843
Ross looks like a THAD.
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>>154143115
>>154143532
>>154143576
The CGD special spoiled what's going to happen: Doom's ultimate weapon is a real-life save scumming device and Ross abuses the shit out of it to create the scenario where he beats the Avengers, takes over Symkaria and then later the world.
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I wanna fuck the female gray She-hulk soldier.
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>>154143626
So it's the same plotline from that one issue of North's FF but now Rulk is using it for bigger things
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>>154143553
I am aware of that, but literally this exact writer wrote, as a prelude to this event, a scene where Carol beats Ross to death in one of the futures. And here we have, in issue one, a guy who can fold Danvers like laundry. Plus half a dozen other powerhouses. I know Ross is going to be save-scumming, but I am expecting some major bullshit for him to get one over this team. Maybe if each of his Hulk squad dudes is as strong as him, maybe, but even that sounds like a stretch.
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>>154142872
something odd about Ben calling a member of the greatest generation "kid"
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>>154143584
Yeah I really forgot how long ago Loeb's run was compared to the other stuff you mentioned, my bad. It's still a very similar plot though.
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>>154143626
That shouldn't matter if Colton can literally neg diff Carol, Ross should stand no chance.
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>>154143532
I doubt we will get a full explanation what he changed in this run besides having the perfect strategy due to trying in a million timelines. That's why we get the "he's already won" shit
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>>154142916
Going for that 70s Carol I see
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>>154143626
And I'm guessing this event ends with someone breaking the plot device or overusing it in such a way that it triggers a Flashpoint timey-wimey effect to justify a new status quo with the next wave of MCU-synergized retcons
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>>154142949
Could use less carol
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>>154143682
half of that team can neg diff Carol (and some already did not that long ago) let's be fucking honest
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>>154142911
>>154142916
What was the plan here Carol?
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>>154143698
Nah Carol was just going easy on Colton she can take him easy
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>>154143558
Apparently if he leaves for a week crime doubles despite having a dozen spider people and other heroes in new york
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>>154143706
take his dick maybe
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>>154143400
arc reactor and rt node have been used interchangeably since 08 since they were both Fraction additions
people forget he consulted on the first movie
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>>154143706
LMAO.
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>>154142949
This 100% feels like a "last mission" splash page and the new avengers like practically confirms that.
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>>154143655
>>154143626
Now that I think about it, the CGD visions seemed to include Spider-Man as one the strike squad members (and victims), yet right from the start he's ducking out of action. Things are already going off-plan for Ross? Otherwise how the fuck would he leverage something to happen for Spidey to decide to stay from another side of the world?
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>CarolKEKS
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>>154143706
>Powers of the Sentry
Yeah
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>>154143757
>needing to attack CHADtry while his back is turned
>TANKED
CarolBITCH...
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>>154143757
>sucker punch
>needed to absorb a nuke to get a power up
lemme remind you what happened last time Carol tried to tackle Sentry (and had Thor as backup too)
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Why does this feel so hollow?

They had Doom becoming dictator of the world and now it's Ross's turn? Ross is going to take over the world with a handful of Hulk knockoffs? How the fuck does that even work? How would he stop insurgencies? How would he maintain control of areas he takes over? Why are these guys pretending they care about Steve Rogers? It was only a few years ago when they were enemies to the death over their differences
This new ultra generic power scaler is so fucking boring I get bored just looking at him
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>>154143790
>>154143793
Doesn't count.
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>>154142949
Sex with Sue and Carol while Namor Reed and Johnny cry
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>>154143813
Peter CHADrker.....
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>>154143546
In gamma radiation super hell
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boooring
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INTEREEEEEESTING.
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https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/134098/avengers_armageddon_2026_2
>THE FINAL RECKONING THAT LEADS TO A MAJOR SHAKEUP FOR THE AVENGERS! YOU'RE GOING DOWN, THUNDERBOLT ROSS! Red Hulk's tirade across the globe must be stopped! Until a mysterious new hero as powerful as the Sentry appears to level Red Hulk and the Avengers...
So is the "new hero as powerful as the Sentry" supposed to be Colton? And if so, why the FUCK would he instantly go off the handle and start fighting both his team and Ross in the very next issue?
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>America is being invaded by Super Hell Hulk
>Ross would rather fuck around in Europe
Is he a bitch?
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>>154142861
What is Symakaria's status anyway? I think it was taken over by Latveria. Maybe Silver Sable should show up to explain the geopolitics of her homeland.
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>>154143897
>America is being invaded by Super Hell Hulk
>Ross would rather fuck around in Europe
This shit can't possibly be happening at the same time
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>>154142897
The fuck did my country do?
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>>154143925
I hope they end up making an impossible chain of events between the various biggest thing ever stories being stacked upon each other.
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>>154143975
I mean one of the plot points of the Hulk event is that some heroes, including Cap, Fantastic Four, Vision, Iron Man and Spider-Man, will be turned into monsters under Hulk's control. Clearly they are not monsters here, so the Hulk shit must be happening later.
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>>154142949
Is Falcon planning to fly over the Atlantic on his wings? No way he has the stamina to do that or is fast enough to keep up with the plane or other fliers
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>>154143887
Sentry is such a boring flop that even Marvel acknowledges he isn't a real character and only exists for power scaling nonsense.
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>>154143887
Does Colton seem all that well balanced anon? The dude was close to snapping after several years as Captain America and now he's got godlike power.
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>>154143929
>Serbia
Did you want an itemized list?
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>>154144157
I'll admit I didn't read the latest Cap run so I'm not that familiar with his struggles, but he didn't look particularly unstable here
>but he slammed Carol into the ground
she attacked him first, bitch had it coming
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>>154142843
Reading
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>>154142887
This is why nobody like the X-Men
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>>154142887
>but MUGGAS
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>>154142868
Get fucked Steve
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>>154144456
>>154144486
and then they will complaint that Avengers didn't help them when they needed help
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>>154142839
Well, variant covers for this issues.
Avengers: Armageddon #1 Alex Ross Marvel Dimensions Virgin Variant
Avengers: Armageddon #1 Chip Zdarsky Promo Variant
Avengers: Armageddon #1 Jenny Frison Variant
Avengers: Armageddon #1 Kaare Andrews Foil Variant
Avengers: Armageddon #1 Marco Checchetto Spoiler Variant
Avengers: Armageddon #1 Ryan Stegman Magic: the Gathering Variant
Avengers: Armageddon #1 Skottie Young Variant
Avengers: Armageddon #1 1:25 Jerome Opeña Variant
Avengers: Armageddon #1 1:100 Jenny Frison Virgin Variant

>THE FINAL RECKONING THAT LEADS TO A MAJOR SHAKEUP FOR THE AVENGERS!

YOU'RE GOING DOWN, THUNDERBOLT ROSS!

Red Hulk's tirade across the globe must be stopped! Until a mysterious new hero as powerful as the Sentry appears to level Red Hulk and the Avengers...

LEGACY #804


>VILIANS RIOT, VILLAINS RISE AND HEROES FALL! The entire globe is thrown into chaos as the Armageddon rages on!!! With the rest of the world turning against the Avengers, what will they choose? Stand down or fight against Red Hulk, even as he seems more and more unbeatable? And when an unstable new power takes center stage... the Avengers — and the world — will need all the help they can get! Wolverine sends out the call: AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!

LEGACY #805

I miss rick remender avengers
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>>154144456
more like
>we don't want x-men in the avengers event
>have x-men acting like a dicks
>except wolverine, because sniktbub sells
it's tiresome
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>>154142935
>implying street level
Could've fooled me. Between the excursions into space and the wizarding wars and the interdimensional jaunts and lord knows what else, he spends an awful lot of time being anything but "just some guy from Queens."
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>>154142863
>UN doing anything but sending strongly worded letters
Lol, lmao even. She cute, though.
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>>154144588
sniktbub helped, and he's worth gorillion of muties, so no excuses
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>>154143524
Namor is a FF and Avenger character no matter how much the X-Men try to claim him
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>>154142937
Brutal downgrade, honestly.
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>>154142863
I could maybe tolerate some random civilian who doesn't know any better saying this bullshit, but having someone high-ranking and presumed to be intelligent and educated say it makes it sound even more fucking stupid. They should know better that without superheroes, the Earth would have been destroyed or taken over long ago. They should know that aliens had been invading the Earth decades before superheroes were a thing. And they should know that when faced with a super-villain problem, sending in regular soldiers instead of super-heroes never work. You'd think they'd at least send giant robots or something, but I guess those can only be used for mutant genocide.
Like, I could understand not wanting heroes to get involved in some local conflict that doesn't involve and superhumans or high-tech, but when facing an army of Hulks you should want all the help you can get.
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>>154142880
>the man who programmed Iron.GPT made an AI to sift through all of human intelligence and autonomously decide what is and what isn't important
Sure why the fuck not. Hacking literally everything is totally okay if you're not personally reviewing literally everything you hacked.
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>>154142916
Instantlosschads win again.
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>>154144669
Namor is older than both, so your argument is Moot
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>>154144672
>Green Hyperion
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>>154144672
The real CHADtry is better.
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>>154144626
Sniktbub is a house mugga who always helps Avengers even against his own kind's wishes, that does not count
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>>154144697
Same for the X-Men and him being a mutant is a retcon
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>>154144721
yes he does, also no refunds
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>>154142992
Was about to say that, yeah.
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>>154142868
egg him again
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>>154144598
>I miss rick remender avengers
you are my mugga
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>>154144745
he was a mutie since the beginning, both according to Everett and Stan Lee. But obviously, he wasn't part of X-Men cast until 2011.
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>>154143743
Maybe he arranged for more New York crime to make Spidey stay. His spidey sense might have messed too much with things.
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Muggas are SHIT. Inhumans are real deal. They would help with Ross.
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>>154144819
and this from FF Annual #1, two years before the x-men
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>>154144840
Aren't Inhumans currently busy destabilizing the cosmic political climate
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>>154144840
They literally recently tanked the cosmic Marvel with Imperial shit. I actually like inhumans, but facts are facts, they are toxic, whatever they touch turns to dust
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>>154144852
That has been cancelled due to low sales
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>>154142944
>I will do EVERYTHING in my power to take you in and make you accountable for once in your lives.
I'm not sure she understands what it is the secretary-general does. I mean at worst she could hold a speech or two, or use informal talks with diplomats to try and pitch the idea of lawfare against US citizens. But good luck with that.
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Ross bribed the bespectacled blonde lady with hulkification.
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>>154144868
watch this bitch suddenly have enough power to sic Sentinel or Guardsmen or whoever the fuck squads on local supers (which she should have probably done against Ross first instead of throwing regular ass human soldiers into a meatgrinder they have no hopes of surviving)
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>>154144916
>Guardsmen
At least Sentinels can make a lot of damage from their size.
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>>154144955
It was just an example, idk what the government is using as their foot soldiers for pointless superhero extermination in this bright day and age
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>>154144877
Ross will give everyone She-hulks when he takes over.
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>>154145152
wtf I support Ross now?
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>>154142880
Marvel writing are still seething that people side with Tony and not Carol.
Also Williamson is going to nosold that shitty plot, but wouldn't surprise that Chip is going to push this narrative when they let him to write iron man in 2-3 years
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>>154142894
Yeah no, China or Russia would vetoo that shit more when is called NEW AMERICA kek.
Fucking Chip
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>>154145203
I'm pretty sure the vote "for" means they are voting to bomb the shit out of Ross and his "New America". Why would Russia and China veto that?
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>>154145177
writers*
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>>154145232
Doom actually fight against Russia influencia on latveria if I remember well, so a retard like Ross would be an improvement while also using propaganda against america
Did China ever vote for some action against a nation? They always seems to be neutral at best.
In the end I think only europeans would like to intervene against this invasion
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>>154142894
>>154142843
>>154142851
>>154142861
This comic assumes that the US government would act in a "normal" and rational way, I assume this is how most Presidents both Republican or Democrat would react, but how would Donald Trump react to this?
I think he would actually be fully in favor of the Red Hulk doing all this and try to take credit for it, because it makes America look strong and that's all his Administration seems to care about. Even if Red Hulk just does whatever he wants, Pete Hegseth would still be out there saying this is all going according to plan.
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>>154145363
Trump would probably make a deal with Ross that Ross can do whatever he wants as long as he deals with Iran next.
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Where is CHADverick in all of this?
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>>154142863
>We wouldn't be on aliens radar without heroes existence
What the fuck am I reading
Of fucking course we would
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>>154144674
>>154145436
>>154142863
Why are the heroes never allowed to give a rebuttal in these kinds of scenes? The way the scene is written, it seems we're supposed to think she has a point, but everything she said is just plain wrong.
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>>154144852
>>154144853
>>154144865
X-Men fans stay winning. InhumanKEKS dead yet again.
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Who the fuck is David Colton?
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>>154142887
Why are they like this?
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>>154142843
Boop
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>another "big gun" type character
>it's a fucking Superman-like flying brick with a cape AGAIN
How many of these fuckers do we need? Gladiator, Sentry, Blue Marvel, Sun God, Virtue, Taegukgi, six fucking Hyperions, now this guy. WHY CAN'T MARVEL WRITERS COME UP WITH ACTUALLY FUN AND INTERESTING POWERSETS FOR THEIR CHARACTERS? I am TIRED of goddamn Superman clones.
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>>154145535
New super soldier introduced during Zdarsky's cap run. The character essentially represents american disillusionment.
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>>154145518
Reed probably heard this kind of drivel from government officials a thousand times by now so he couldn't be arsed to argue with her. Which is why he and everyone else decided to fly into Latveria anyway.
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>>154145535
The Captain America during the War on Terror
Yes, Cap got defrosted after 9/11 now
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>>154142839
How low does my IQ need to be to enjoy something like this? I genuinely cannot understand how a full grown adult could be mentally stimulated by something so incredibly formulaic. You can tell within just a few pages that none of this shit matters.
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>>154145637
Why did you come to this thread then, retard?
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>>154145687
Wanted to see just how bad Marvel slop has gotten. I got my answer: REALLY bad.

DC stats winning.
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>>154142843
bumping.
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>DCuck
Don't care. Still a CHADvelCHAD.
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>>154145687
nta but if you haven't noticed, most of the posters itt are complaining about something
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>>154145518
Because the rebuttal comes when the person talking either realizes they're wrong or everyone else says they're wrong. And even when the hero does give an immediate reply, it'll be short. Like Batman telling Waller to watch herself in the JLU show when they argued about Cadmus while she was showering. Unfortunately Reed isn't the one line subtle threat kind of person. He's the kind of person that lectures as he's winning.
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>>154144853
>blaming the inhumans for comics they weren't in failing
>especially since cosmic line was already dead for years
Even X-men red sold like shit.
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>>154142868
>reed and carol
>the two people pushing to work with the government in both civil wars
>getting a taste of what they pushed on others
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>>154145930
I'm sorry you don't like the facts, but how else would you explain that everything imperial got cancelled, including an x-book (Exiles), which wasn't even solicited? Inhumans haven't appeared since forever, including Empyre, when they should had, and then, they make an appearance, and everything goes down the drain. Please enlighten me, how is it possible. There are many cancellations and many series reduced to minis, but nothing tanked as hard as Imperial line
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>>154145863
Savage
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>>154142872
>but you're always eating ice cream
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>>154146006
The fact that next to magic the cosmic line has always been the worse selling part of marvel. Or the fact that marvel as whole has been selling worse with several series getting folded into minis because they were trying cut cost line wide. How about event fatigue because there was three events running at the same time as imperial. Or the hickman event didn't have a hickman book spinning out of it. How about the fact that Nova, GOTG, She-hulk, and Black panther all had their last books bomb too. How about the event and and tie ins selling bad well before the Inhumans were even revealed to be a part of it.
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>>154143705
Carol doesn't do plans. She just hits and shoots people until they stop moving.
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>>154145523
You guys really deserved that in hindsight
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>>154142863
Bitch I hope you get killed by a supervillain.
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>>154145429
Haven’t seen him since the Captain America: Sam Wilson mini
>>154145436
Seriously. Does this dumb bitch think that Galactus was attracted to Earth because of the super heroes?
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>>154146083
name one other example when a whole line folded like that at marvel in the past 5 years. There is an attempt at Amalgam II, during september there will be Mangaverse II. Marvel republished X-Men Manga too, Godzilla crossovers, Marvel Zombies and so on. Nothing folded this hard, and more importantly, so suddenly as Imperial. And no, I don't take the answer that cosmic line was selling badly, because GOTG alone was doing okey enough to have an event almost each year. What happened with Imperial was flabbergasting to say the least. Massive plan, and then, nope, everything axed. Even GODS by Hickman did better
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>>154142944
At some point Tony is going to fuck her. It may not be this event but it'll happen sooner or later.
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>>154142944
Kind of funny that Tony is talking about someone being put into a coma while talking to Carol.
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>>154142839
>#803
Is it weird that this event is counting for Avengers numbering?
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Why does it feel like all of you (discounting the Carolfags because they're a cult) are rooting for the Avengers to get fucked up in this mini? Is everyone here just to hate them?
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>>154146197
In their heart of hearts they both know Steve had it coming.
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>>154142868
>>154142872
>>154142877
>>154142880
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNUstOhIhoU
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>>154146412
Ever since Marvel made a big deal out of a bunch of legacy milestones at the same time, they've done some dodgy "math" for it. I remember one comic run counting for two different legacies.
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>>154146457
>I remember one comic run counting for two different legacies.
The Black Panther man with no fear run im guessing since that would count towards a BP and Daredevil one
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>>154146428
I love the F4 and I can't be rooting against Avengers knowing they are on the same side. I also like Vision, don't hate Namor and am mildly curious about the new guy. Unfortunately, all signs and foreshadowings point to the squad getting fucked, most of them dying and then a retarded New Avengers comic with Bendis line up being the only survivors until someone inevitably uses time travel to unfuck the whole shit sandvich ala Age of Ultron.
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>>154146428
Do you want them to beat Rulk in the second issue? It has been pointed out that the team is pretty stacked.
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>>154146167
DC beating marvel in the market share has them scared shitless. They clearly pulled hickman from imperial to do the X-men in midnight because krakoa was the most most successful thing since Civil war. Naturally no hickman means no Imperial. This wasn't just imperial the entire line. That's why we had so many minis. Dan slott even begged people for pre-orders because in his own words they cancelling books just off pre-orders of the first two chapters.
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>>154142916
GET FUCKED CAROL
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>>154142949
NGL Ross is right and Colton was also right in what they're doing
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>>154142916
>ACK!!
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So like
Does this mean F4 are officially Avengers for the duration of this event
(I know each of them has been on an Avengers team at one or multiple points in the past, but certainly never all at the same time)
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>>154142863
Why doesn't she just ask him what MySpace is while she's at it?
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>>154142935
Spider-Man is leagues above several people there and yet they keep writing him like a bitch.
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>>154146869
>Spider-Man is leagues above several people there
"Several people" being just Sam and Bucky. MAYBE also Wolverine if you're feeling generous to Peter. The rest are all more powerful than him.
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>>154146869
In terms of what? Tony and Reed are better scientists and engineers and are sitting on much better tech. He only outmuscles Bucky, Sam, and Wolverine in terms of overall physical ability, but at least Sam can fly and has his bird telepathy which is a very overlooked ability, while everyone else is comfortably above his paygrade in terms of power. He's middle of the road at best in that whole roster.
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>>154147074
>>154146944
I'd put spidey alongside Ben.
Ben hits hard, is a chad and a top pilot but isn't broken like the rest of the FF.
Peter is very hard to hit, strong and fast enough and only loses intellectually to Tony and Reed. He's just versatile
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>>154142863
She reminds me of that woman from the first Civil War comic that guilt-tripped Tony Stark
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>>154147280
It still doesn't put him "leagues above" the others, above the weaker ones like Bucky, Sam, and Wolverine, but that's really it. He's not a bitch, but he's not a heavyweight, especially in this lineup.
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>>154147280
>I'd put spidey alongside Ben
You are retarded if you actually believe this. When it comes to brute strength and durability Ben is above anyone on this team except maybe Colton, and even then one-tapping Carol is nothing to write home about when Ben has done the same to people far stronger. Now I'm sure the next issues will show Colton be stronger than everyone on the team, but for now he hasn't done a lot.
>Ben hits hard, is a chad and a top pilot but isn't broken like the rest of the FF.
He is the only F4 member who can go toe to toe with Hulk and has beaten each of the other members on many occasions. The "brokedness" of other members is overblown to a comical degree.
>Peter is very hard to hit, strong
Peter is "can throw a car" strong. Ben is "helps Hulk lift a continent that he couldn't support alone" and "facetank a blast from Galactus" strong. Not even remotely in the same weight bracket.
And for the record, Ben has beaten the shit out of Spider-Man when Peter had Devil Hulk's powers transplanted into him.
>and fast enough and only loses intellectually to Tony and Reed
The intellect and speed does nothing to put him anywhere near the power level of even Iron Man or Reed, let alone the actual heavy hitters of the team like Carol, Namor, Ben and Sue.
>He's just versatile
And neither does versatility for that matter when it boils down to "fast, can flip a car and shoot webs". By that logic he's also more versatile than Namor and Colton.
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>>154146428
I have no strong feelings one way or another.
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>>154146869
Spider-Man has no business on what's obviously a kill mission
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>>154146428
Most of the Avengers & Friends are basically lolcows.
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>>154142937
What's wrong with you? Why are you green?
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>>154147805
Why aren't you "green"?
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>>154147805
So he doesn't color overlap with the other Captain Americas.
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>>154147703
So the Avengers really should have gotten Anti-Venom.
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>>154147932
I'd add Daredevil so he could cry about the law and then hypocritically kill Ross in cold blood after he surrenders.
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>>154148154
I don't get it, does Daredevil do this often?
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>>154148171
Cry a lot? Not necessarily, but he sure as fuck whines a lot about how he has to uphold some vaguely-defined legal, religious, and moral standard while doing damn near everything to fuck it all up, always coming to the conclusion that he has to stop fucking up, then repeating the cycle of failing horribly to live up to the expectations of himself, his faith, and others by fucking it all up all over again. He's up there with characters like Spider-Man and Wolverine that are consummate self-sabotaging fuckups that go through the same character arc over and over again.
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>>154148316
>Cry a lot?
No I meant executing surrendered opponents, but I see what you mean, status quo is a bitch and all that.
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So they actually put Peter in the cover just to bait spiderfags and then have him fuck off right after?
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>>154148965
Peter is joining the Avengers again soon
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>>154143558
Actually, he recently learned they're all helpless jobbers.
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>>154142937
it's nice to have another hero appreciate spider-man for once
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Zdarsky sucks
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>>154148965
Joke's on them, that's a blessing.
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>>154143558
Would you trust Silk with protecting the city while you're out? lol
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>>154149062
Meh, just the result of pushing the shitty friends while making sure Peter stays
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>>154142887
>world in crisis and every hand is needed to help
>How can we make this about US?
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>>154142880
Just so we're all on the same page, Tony Stark is essentially the Peter Thiel of 616, correct? Idk but I'm not comfortable with the idea of a random techbro billionaire deciding to clandestinely leverage his status and assets to privately set up his own global spy apparatus. It's not a very "hero" thing to do.
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>>154149194
She should at least be able to beat up random mugger/henchmen level guys.
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>>154149062
Osborn seems to have been doing a decent enough job subbing in for Peter when he was in space. And that's not counting Venom, Anti-Venom and hundreds of other NYC local heroes.
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>>154149596
He probably thinks of his friends' superpowered identities as a strike against that because he thinks about what would happen if they got injured while he wasn't there.
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>>154142883
>to me, my Hulks!
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>>154142899
>good old stealth attack helicopters and tanks
>they never see them coming
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>>154142887
X-Men and their uselessness aside, why exactly would Fury need to look for additional firepower when there's currently a whole ass separate Avengers team active consisting of Wonder Man, Hercules, Lightning, Photon and She-Hulk + ton of others, as well as remains from the main team (Scarlet Witch, Storm, even Hyperion) and West Coast Avengers (Firestar, War Machine, Kilerwatt)? There's a lot of vacant firepower they should be able to throw around relatively freely, and that's not even going into reserve members currently floating in limbo.
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>>154149734
Maybe not being an Annual limits how much team merging you are allowed to do.
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>>154149959
I just don't understand why they pulled F4 into this instead of other Avengers from currently active teams. Namor and Bucky I can understand since they are both close to Cap and seem to be in it for revenge, but not F4.
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>>154149995
I'm guessing either "writer wanted to use them" or "this is a sequel to OWUD".
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>>154142916
I don't know who this is but he's my favorite now
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No Red Hulk don't force democracy upon me aaaieeeeee
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>>154142839
This reads like a less edgy civil war which they already did with the less edgy civil war 2. Marvel is really circling the drain on this one.
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>>154150194
To me it seems like the set up to a plot for an Ultimate Alliance game
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>>154150175
In Zdarsky's Captain American run Cap has a chat with a Latverian woman who explains that the Latverian people still regard Doom highly because he kept the American imperialism out, and Latverians knew they were more fortunate than many other countries in that sense, entirely thanks to Doom. This is framed as the woman telling Cap a truth that he needs to hear, like she's sharing an important perspective that explains the situation Cap is trying to navigate.

This looks completely retarded as a follow-up to OWUD where thousands of Latverian citizens, children included, were locked inside glass boxes and drained as batteries for Doom's magic.
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>>154150482
The "gift" that kept on giving.
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>>154142861
>>154142863
>>154142937
>>154142944
Why do I feel this Secretary-General is German? She has somewhat German vibes based on her design. That one panel with the big cheeks felt like she's German
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>>154150482
>thousands
Wasn't it literally the entirety of Latveria's population? You'd think that number would be in the millions at least
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>>154150614
Seems unlikely based on her name.
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>>154150175
I mean, you'd figure at least one person would point they should let Rulk go around killing a few more dictators. He's a rogue agent at this point, so it's not like it could be linked to them.
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>>154150827
I was referring to the fact that she's such a bitch in this, & considering the behaviour of Germany right now kinda adds to how arrogant & in denial they are
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>>154143797
are you new here
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>>154150838
Ross was also going for everyone who was not transitioning to democracy quickly enough, so it's not like they could have predicted whether he'd target the worst eggs of the batch first or just whoever was nearest to him at the moment



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