Reminder we could have got some cute puppy love instead of some obsessive Freudian shit
>>154148277>puppy loveWhat a gay sentence.Anyway, Toph works better with Sokka and that's that.
>>154148277Freudian?
>>154148277Toph being a slut that ends up alone is pretty fitting. It's not the best but it's the kind of thing I'd expect from a rich rebellious tomboy.
>>154148277Aang and Azula not interacting more was weird.
>>154148531Zuko should have been Lin's dad.
>>154148701it makes sense for her personality wise but i just dont see zuko being so fond of being a deadbeat parent.
>>154148760Toph would never tell him because she knows his honor stuff would be annoying and ruin the Fire Nation. She would just be happy that she finally got her life-changing field trip with Zuko.
THE ZUTARANS LOST!THE ZUTARANS ALWAYS LOSE!
>>154148277Aang never even had a mom, he was raised by monks. Katara reciprocated as early as the Cave of Two Lovers. For me, the only issues with it are her reaction during the ember island players, and the avatar state being changed so he didn’t have to give her up in any way. The way it’s presented in that episode, from what Pathik and Iroh say, to Aang apologizing before entering the Avatar state, imply some change in the way he’d view her, but that never happens.>>154149088For some reason the Netflix show is doing the Blue Spirit and the Painted Lady at the same time, so it might happen there. Although Netflix Katara is such a gutted shell of a character it’s hard to care either way.
>>154149226>Aang never even had a mom, he was raised by monksAnon, you think that disproves it? That makes it even stronger
>>154149226>avatar state being changed so he didn’t have to give her up in any way.I don't get why this is a problem. Roku had a wife and the book 1 mentioned Kuruk having a lover. It's not a surprise they "changed" that, more like they realized it was stupid to begin with.
>>154150333I always assumed that Pahtik’s methods were a desperate accelerated means of mastering the Avatar State which were irregular for an Avatar to attempt. I saw it as yet another example of people willing to sacrifice’s Aang sense of a normal life for the greater good of the world.
you just know they did something that one night everyone got drunk
Yeah it's just creepy, and a huge missed opportunity for a rock-based airbender.
>>154150333It’s not about not dating her, it’s about not putting her on the pedestal he did before. He apologized to her immediately before activating the avatar state, so that having no payoff is lame.
>>154148277>Taang>Zutara>SukkaThat would've been neat, I guess
>>154151395Nope
>>154151468Bryke pls
>>154148277Zuko x Toph would've been better
>>154148277I never saw this ship til after the series but honestly pretty interesting. They are fundamental opposites in terms of characteristicsAlso toph always makes me wonder how other blind benders would use their abilities to see. Like would a fire bender see in infrared
>>154148277Aang in canon wanted to fuck Toph based on the swamp tree
>>154152034Everyone wants to fuck Toph
>>154152344Facts of lifeClueless babyface
>>154148277Aang ending up with Toph, On Ji, or even Meng would have been better than Kataang. Bryke just couldn't let go of their babysitter fetish.
>>154152759I’m pretty neutral on Kataang but I think that’s a little far. Bryke were hardly the only ones pushing it, and little buildup is still better than none. Katara is his best friend, a random side character coming back and kissing him at the end would be bonkers.
>>154149226NATLA is a retelling of the "same legend" as ATLA so they're not going to be changing any of the endgame ships. Kim already said that the S1 finale hinted at Kataang and Tran said that Maiko is still happening.
>>154152810I never said Aang had to be kissing a girl by the end of the series. He's only twelve. They could have him end up with someone in future sequels. I just think his romance with Katara was shit and I agree with the other anons that it made the Avatar State plotline weak.
Bryke should have stuck to their original plan of Aang finding more airbenders and Aang could have ended up with an Air Nomad girl. You can just tell that if Tagah were a woman, Aang would have immediately dumped Katara's ass for her.
>>154152932>KimAlbert Kim, the director who got replaced?
>>154153148He left to go work on Percy Jackson but the overall outline for NATLA wasn't scrapped. Bryke were the ones who designed the series to have Sozin's Comet be set in the future so the ending was already planned when they were still around.
>>154153227>Bryke were the ones who designed the series to have Sozin's Comet be set in the future so the ending was already planned when they were still around.Uhhh what about the whole "Shyamalan movie got Book 4 canned."
>>154153264what does that have to do with natla, anon??
>>154153280You're saying Bryke had the OG serie's ending planned but there's evidence to the contrary.
>>154153107He was kinda giving Tagah the fuck-me vibes.
>>154153314they did not say that lol, they're clearly talking about natla
>>154153107aang and his air nomad gf would have the same shared goal of restoring their nation and the would have been fucking like crazy to help restore it
>>154153314I don't know why you're talking about the OG series. I specifically mentioned NATLA.
>>154153359>>154153448>NatlaDidn't that same insider journo who leaked stuff about Seven Heavens say they got kicked out because were planning to follow the old series bible though?
>>154153519They voluntarily left, they said they were treated poorly
>>154153555Yeah but that insider guy said the poor treatment was Netflix not letting them follow the old series bible.
>>154153519The insider didn't know about the bible until after he released the details and was informed that the evil Iroh plan sounded like the bible. Bryke wanted to follow some parts of the bible but definitely not the whole thing. They were still gonna have Toph and Azula be girls instead of boys, and they wanted to make Kataang endgame despite it never happening in the bible. Ozai doesn't die in season 1 in the bible and Yue never gets killed by a random arrow. I think Yue dying like that instead of becoming the Moon spirit was a purposeful insult made because Bryke mentioned that they never liked Yue.
>>154153628I see. Though i must say Ozai dying mid series seems a natural consequence of Iroh being secretly evil.
>>154153519The only similarity the bible shares with Bryke's retarded NATLA ideas is Iroh being secretly evil. Yue doesn't exist in the bible and Aang still fights Ozai in Book 3.>>154153628Yue wasn't created by Bryke. That's probably why they hate her.
>>154153628>Netflix Iroh defending his past and being kind of angry with the crew for not respecting Zuko is subtle foreshadowing to him dethroning Ozai and becoming the final boss
>>154153107He was already considering it.
>>154153628Some of Iroh's early behavior was a hint that he was secretly evil and foiling Zuko's goals by playing dumb. He would purposely train Zuko wrong to prevent him from surpassing Ozai in power. Even the people who burned down Jet's village were the Rough Rhinos who were under Prince Iroh's command at the time.He was only made good when Ehasz decided to write Iroh's character to be more like his kind stepfather. Zuko's bad firebending was turned into the result of trauma. And they never end up elaborating on the connection between Iroh and the Rough Rhinos lol.
Azula still doesn't bend blue fire.One job.Fuck you.
>>154153806Yeah, but if Tagah were a woman, Aang would have done MUCH more than consider it.
>>154153881Considering how Aang's kids came out, it probably would've gotten him better results.
>>154153107This is why I always shipped Aang with female Air Nomad OCs. Some people like to think Ty Lee is of Air Nomad descent and Aang becomes romantically interested in her after he finds out.
>>154151395Fuck no.
>>154153628>>154153757Source: my ass
>>154153950Shut up baldy
>>154153107Aang already had more chemistry with Tagah than Katara but the movie could have actually been good if Tagah were female. Aang would be torn between wanting to fuck the evil airbender lady and needing to stop her genocidal plans.
>>154153956Yu can go read Bryke's development bible yourself, you know.
>>154153867What are you talking about? Azula is bending blue fire in the trailer.
>>154152932That's why I don't understand why people are complaining about the changes. NATLA hasn't actually significantly changed anything from the original. The series only would have become completely different if Bryke were still attached to it, but they left because Netflix didn't want such a massive divergence from the original source material.
>>154148277Aang and Toph were the worst parents of the Gaang. If they got together they would have produced a dysfunctional family. Their kids would be insanely strong, though.
>>154153850While I don't think Evil Iroh would have been better, the change does explain why Iroh does fucking nothing in the end better than saying Iroh overthrowing his brother is somehow less legit than Zuko overthrowing his dad.
>>154154198They justified it by having Aang be the one to overthrow Ozai, not Zuko. But it still didn't make sense that Iroh said it would be wrong for him to fight his brother for the throne but told Zuko that he needed to go fight his sister for the throne.
>>154153850>He would purposely train Zuko wrongSounds like a reference to old kung fu movies like The Prodigal Son
>>154148277Avatar is highly satanic because it promotes the false religion of Buddhism
Katara and Aang is such a terrible ship
>>154154898the series is actually a really shitty depiction of buddhism and it's even anti-buddhist at times with aang being praised for choosing his attachment to katara over the avatar state (which gets fixed at the end with a fucking rock)
>>154154924It really isn't
Aang's desparate attachment to Katara came from his trauma of his entire culture getting genocided. It would've been kino if Aang had to deal with his trauma through losing Katara.
>>154155069Yes. It is. It's forced garbage that fucks over both characters.
>>154155036There's also the fact that Aang is a monk written into a romance, which is just plain retarded and offensive from a Buddhist perspective. Bryke said that some of their biggest influences on creating the Air Nomads was Shaolin Soccer, they compared Buddhist monks to hippies, and they called Aang "Buddha boy" before ripping off his name from Ang Lee (spelt with two As to make the name more unique). It's obvious they didn't actually understand Buddhism.
>>154155087Are you kidding me? The romance in ATLA is so non-intrusive that I'm baffled takes like this even exist. In fact I'd go as far to say Kataang's biggest problem comes down to a lack of focus in Book 3 outside of a couple instances
>>154148557Aang and Azula being in a relationship instead of Aang and Katara would have been kino. Azula would get tamed and redeem the fire nation by helping aang bring new air/fire benders into the world
>>154155036>and it's even anti-buddhist at times with aang being praised for choosing his attachment to katara over the avatar stateThis was based honestly, it is not good for man to be alone. No man is an island onto themselves
>>154155098They made the Air Nomads gay rights supporters who believe in gender equality despite their society being a sex segregated one. In the novels they mention that the sex segregation is a good thing but don't explain why at all kek.
>>154155114It's minimal but still finds a way to suck ass
>>154155128>Azula would get tamed and redeem the fire nation by helping aang bring new air/fire benders into the worldYour logic is flawed and nonsensical.
>>154155114How was it non-intrusive? Aang's entire dilemma at the end of Book 2 was that he couldn't let go of Katara and he's more attached to her in Book 3 than ever. The series finale resolved his problem of not being able to access the Avatar State with a random rock to the back.
>>154155166They get even more contradictory glazing in the movie to make them look superior to the other three nations.
Another unimaginative live action remake of a beloved animated series.Every change is unwelcomed and adds nothing to the original show.Always doomed to be forgotten in the shadow of the original.
>>154155192His attachment to Katara in book 3 bordered on delusional. He was convinced they'd be together forever despite not once talking about how they felt. To me, it read like a 12 year old kid latching desperately onto her as an emotional anchor after losing everyone he knew, and the immense pressure of being world's last hope and saviour. Katara's feelings are not seriously examined. I know I'm probably reading too deeply into it, but the more I think about how the series ends on Katara and Aang kissing, the more it pisses me off.
>>154155192>and he's more attached to her in Book 3 than ever.Just straight lying. Aang and Katara's romance doesn't even get an episode to itself in Book 3. And the idea that Aang a 12 year old kid could have that level of obessive attachment is bullshit anyways. You'd think Aang was out here sniffing Katara's used panties the way some anons talk about his crush. What? Are you gonna tell me that him having one bad kiss which he pretty much immediatly regretted engaging counts as obessive? Get real.
>>154155264Uoh, plap plap plap get pregnant, et cetera
>>154155114The romance in ATLA is intrusive because the writing for it was so shit compared to everything else in the series. It sticks out like a sore thumb.
>>154155269>And the idea that Aang a 12 year old kid could have that level of obessive attachmentYou're ignoring all the reasons why Aang would develop an obsessive attachment. Normal 12 year olds don't act as desperate and needy as Aang did in The Guru, and in Ember Island Players. His "need" to be with Katara is not normal.
>>154155269>And the idea that Aang a 12 year old kid could have that level of obessive attachment is bullshit anyways. He literally chose his crush over his duty to the world. They chickened out with Aang needing to let go of his attachment to master the Avatar State by throwing in that rock at the last minute.
What we could have had.
>>154155269Aang said watching a play with a fake Katara rejecting him would have sent him into the Avatar State if his chakra wasn't blocked, the fuck are you talking about.
>>154155371
I wish all these live action threads were banned.
>>154155363You sound hysterical >>154155364No he choose Katara's LIFE over his duty to the world, big difference. Like did you not watch that episode? Aang was perfectly ready to give up his attachments and was about to unlock his final chakra, it's only when he gets a vision of Katara in danger when he decides to abandon the Guru to rescue her. And decides to let go a second time under Ba Sing Se before Azula zaps him. The reason why Aang's chakra was blocked in Book 3 was because of what Azula did to him, it had nothing to do with his attachment to Katara, Aang says as much in the invasion episode.
>>154154138Making Zuko's military unit the 41st division was a great change. It's not super important, but it enhances the story. People who have already seen NATLA S2 are saying it's a big improvement over S1, even people who didn't like S1 are saying S2 is good.
>>154155456Pathik tells Aang that his visions aren't real but Aang abandons his training because of his attachment to Katara. The Book 2 finale episodes were a reference to Star Wars with Luke undergoing Jedi training.
>>154155456>You sound hystericalNice argument. I get it's a kids' show, but the failure to examine how Aang's attachment to Katara is connected to his trauma is a serious writing flaw.
If you're not going to do anything that expands on the Avatar universe, then what's the point?
>>154155456Aang's seventh chakra was blocked because his training was interrupted while in the process of clearing them. First he chose to leave his training because he received a vision of Katara and then because Azula killed him. He actually could have chosen to let go of Katara again later on and cleared that final chakra but he refuses. This is explained in the novelization.
>>154155501But... the visions were real, Katara really WAS in danger just like how Leia and Han were really in danger. And neither Luke nor Aang are wrong for choosing to save their friends, even if it has consequences they didn't intend. >>154155512I don't think they failed to examine it at all, The Guru quite blatantly states that Aang's love for Katara is deeply connected to the loss of his people. You just have a problem with it because the conclusion doesn't line up with what you wanted for the character.
>>154155547Pathik literally said that Aang's visions weren't real. Katara in Aang's vision was even chained up and shouting "let me go!" They couldn't make it any more obvious.
>>154155547>The Guru quite blatantly states that Aang's love for Katara is deeply connected to the loss of his people.... and then nothing is done with that. Excellent writing.
>>154155537>then what's the point?Brand recognition.
>>154155395He was also a girl and Zuko fucked both of them, he may have just been speaking hyperbolically
>>154155565Was Katara in danger or was she not? Like just because reality was a little fogged up does not mean what the vision was telling Aang was untrue. >>154155570If there's one thing I'll give you, the actual flaw in the writing here is how this dilemma between attachment and power never truly gets addressed after Season 2. See I'm actually perfectly fine with Aang getting his happy ending with Katara (after all the other Avatars got to chase tail why not Aang?) but the writers needed to find a way to strike a compromise here instead of just sweeping it under the rug like they did. But that's much more a problem with the Avatar State itself, more so than Aang and Katara as a concept.
>>154155547Pathik explained in The Guru that Aang's visions were fake and that he would not be able to enter the Avatar State if he did not finish opening all the chakras after he began the process. Giancarlo Volpe (director of the episode) said in one of those podcasts that Katara being in danger was Aang's imagination (she was just paralyzed and thrown into crystal catacombs, she was never chained up) and Azula conquering Ba Sing Se could have all been prevented if Aang didn't leave Pathik during his training.
>>154155669I'm probably expecting too much from a kids' show, but Aang's trauma got brushed off way too easily. I've always felt that season 3 should've been built around Aang properly dealing with his trauma and guilt. Like S3E01 The Awakening, but stretched out over the season. Tie that personal growth into him finally achieving his potential as the Avatar. His relationship with Katara should've been unpackaged as part of that. Maybe there's a way to write that where they still end up together, but personally I think it would've been a stronger choice to have Aang have to deal with not being with Katara.
>>154155405Realistically, this is what would have happened. Maybe not at that age, but Aang would have gone on a world tour to repopulate the Air Nation. Certainly not call it quits after having one airbender kid. The desire to mate with an airbender would have been high at least for a couple of generations.
>>154155669Katara wasn't in any imminent danger, they just captured her to lure Aang out. It was precisely because of Aang's attachment that he chose to believe in a fake vision and abandon his training, which got himself killed and made everything worse.
>>154155723Also, I think Aang should've gotten to a place after the fall of Ba Sing Se, and the failure of the Black Sun invasion, where he was so angry at himself, and desperate for redemption and absolution that he wanted to kill Ozai. That would've made his choice to spare Ozai so much more powerful. Through forgiveness, he finds himself again, and that letting go is the key that unlocks his true potential. God it would've been so kino and tied so beautifully into the themes of forgiveness and redemption, and his parallels with zuko. Season 3 could've been so fucking good man.
>>154155723Book 3 in general drops the ball a lot with Aang (and really most characters not named Zuko if you ask me) and yeah I tend to agree that Awakening should have colored how the rest of the season was going to write Aang but we quickly abandon that direction regrettably >>154155716>Azula conquering Ba Sing Se could have all been prevented if Aang didn't leave Pathik If this is true then I really don't like that. Part of what makes these dilemmas interesting is the inherent uncertainty both past and present. You can't just state post-hoc that "yeah this complicated question our MC was faced with had a 100% correct answer with no downsides" That sucks
>>154155790I did hear that Book 3 had entire arcs rearranged and dropped. Hedrick said there was a mandate that they make the season Book 3 more episodic after Book 2 was technically canceled and Coleman had to argue with the studio execs to revive the series for a third season. This is why Book 3 isn't as narratively cohesive as Book 2.
>>154155817That sucks, man. I still like a lot of what s3 did, but collectively it dropped the ball super hard.
>>154155804That's why you have Aang being depressed over what happened in Ba Sing Se. He failed to prevent the conquest of Ba Sing Se by not mastering the Avatar State when he had a chance. That was his greatest failure and he had to redeem himself.
>>154155850Aang still would've blamed himself for Ba Sing Se even without the confirmation. It makes for more interesting drama not to have the answer because real life often doesn't give the answer to tough decisions we make
>>154155850>That was his greatest failure and he had to redeem himself.They did fucking nothing with this though. The chakra plotline was dropped in Book 3 and Aang ultimately mastered the Avatar State with a rock instead of choosing to let go of his attachment to Katara.
Aang's character arc sucked so much balls.
>>154155891Yeah, Hedrick said that if Aang didn't end up with Katara then the other option was for him embrace being a monk. This obviously means relinquishing his attachments and prioritizing the world.
>>154153555They weren't treated poorly, they just got mad that their stupid ideas were rejected. Mike distanced himself from the show but later appeared at a NATLA screening acting chummy with the crew after he heard critics were saying it was decent.
>>154156221It's more believeable that Bryke were the problem. Months before they announced their depature, there were lots of rumors that the Netflix staff found Bryke difficult to work with. Things kept dragging on because they consistently failed to submit work on time.
They should explore the relationship between these three.The cartoon doesn't show much and the comics aren't any better.
>>154156306Bryke got very lucky they were surrounded with talented people. They are skilled artists in their own right, but there is nothing special about avatar as an idea. It's the work of everyone on that original team that made it great.
>>154155547>But... the visions were realNo they fucking weren't. Aang would get visions in the color of each chakra he was attempting to open. Violet is the color associated with the seventh chakra and his vision of Katara in danger had a violet filter on it.
>>154156396>comicsPretty much noncanon fanfiction.
>>154156527Toph’s metalbending school and her three students all appeared in the new movie. Though it also retconned a comic in how the Air Acolytes were formed.
I legit don't consider korra canon because of how the new lore is totally inconsistent
>>154156561I would too but I like Tarrlok
>>154156511I like how the episode literally has Aang being told the visions are fake, Katara being restrained by attachments and demanding to be let go in a vision, and everything is even color-coded with filters according to whichever chakra Aang is currently meditating on... yet anon insisted the visions are real. Kek.
>>154155456>The reason why Aang's chakra was blocked in Book 3 was because of what Azula did to him, it had nothing to do with his attachment to Katara, Aang says as much in the invasion episode.Bullshit. Aang was meditating on his seventh chakra, but Azula shot him with lightning before he could clear it. Pathik literally said that once the process of opening the chakras begins, it cannot be stopped until all seven are opened, or Aang would be left unable to enter the Avatar State.After his revival, Aang could have mastered the Avatar State by letting go of his attachment to Katara, but he couldn’t because of how obsessed he was with her. The writers have hinted that they were pressured by the execs to make sure the hero both saved the day and got the girl, so they came up with a solution that Aang would be struck by an asspull rock to force the chakra open, allowing him to master the Avatar State without needing to make any real sacrifices.
>>154157347>power-up that perfectly reflects character developmentOR>a fucking rock
>>154157347It was Aang's own fault for refusing to clear the seventh chakra but he says Azula is to blame for blocking it because he had lied to his friends that he had already mastered the Avatar State with Pathik.
>>154157423His seventh chakra became blocked the first time when he ditched his training with Pathik, and again when Azula shot him. Azula's attack did result in the chakra becoming blocked, but it is ultimately Aang's fault because he refused to try clearing it again later on. In the novel Aang says he had given up on mastering the Avatar State to keep his attachment to Katara.
I wish NATLA had the balls to rework season 3, but they won't.
>>154148277I like both pairings. Lean towards Kataang though.
>>154154940>no jin
>>154148277Freud is when you have feelings for a girl 2 years older than you but all the fans say she's your mother (Although being an air monk you didn't even have a mother per se)
>>154155570Well, it is a kid's show they can't really say Aang wants to breed Katara and create a pack of airbenders.
>>154156396Don't they quite literally explain in the show Mai and Ty Lee mostly do this out of fear of Azula?
>>154159458>all the fans *Zutaranigs
I declare the entire gaang grew up into a closely knit swinger polycule. Now everyone get to fuck and no ship is excludedthank me
>>154160740kinda what happens on that emmabrave comic
>>154157347I think it would have been neat to reveal that Aang could have always entered the Avatar state, and his physical wound didn't matter. It would have entirely been a mental block due to his failure, and once he learned to confront and accept that, everything would have been right as rain. That's more interesting than the chiropractic rock. I just think that, if pushing on his body was the solution, they could have found some kind of medicine man to do it and fix him.
>>154159458>Although being an air monk you didn't even have a motherExactly
>>154159198justifiable crashout
