Give it to me straight /co/. Is Lute Eve or not?
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>>154150760Doubt it. Her hair is as straight as Vaggie’s.
>>154150783I don’t know who you are. But you are suspicious.
>>154150760One shotTwo shotsThis is where the fun stops
Lol did you remake the thread because you had a complete meltdown at the Lute Eve schizo?
Yes she is. It's been hinted at in the show and by Jessica since 2024. She also gave the spoiler and then had to delete it.
>>154151008What?
>>154150811So does Eve.
>>154151008Lol yeah he sperged tf out
No. It was leaked forever ago that Lilith is Eve and Rosie is the real Lilith. And considering literally everything else about that leak has been proven true thus far, including mentioning Roo before Vivzie did and leaking Bee's design early?Pretty much confirmed
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>>154151073Nope. That was leaked in 2021 from a supposed former employee who was not a writer, they were a concept artist, and they were not certain of many facts, such as Rosie being Alastor's owner. Next.Come on matpat, you can do it. Try harder. We believe in you.
>>154151071LMAO
>Lute in way over her head in an attempt to get revenge for Adam>Just isn't strong enough as she's nowhere as powerful as he was>On the ground dying>Memories come flooding back>Memories of Eden>Living happily with Adam>Being tempted into sharing and eating the fruit with him and having them expelled from Eden, committing the first sin>Adam is a bit dim but loves her and accepts responsibility alongside her>They live out the rest of their lives but she's forever crushed by guilt she hides>Can't enter heaven under the burden of the first sin>Accepts a double-edged sword deal - she and Adam lose their memory of what became of each other, but are redeemed of the first sin and spend eternity in heaven together, but never knowing they're right next to one another>She remembers it all>Starts laughing and crying >"HA! She's lost it!">Hair extends to below her waist>Halo turns gold>Wings turn gold and enlarge>Spear turns into a bass guitar>Stands back up to a shocked audience>"Have some respect. All of humanity came out of this cunt">One final fight>Goes down putting a scar on her enemy (preferably Lucifer to complete the arc)>As she's dying Abel appears, frantic and shaking over her body>"...M-mom...?">She makes the same smile up at him Adam gave to her before he died>Passes away peacefully, rejoining her husbandFanfiction.
>>154151008>>154151071OP of this thread here. I'm not Matpat I just wanted another thread. I like the Lute=Eve theory
>>154151071>The spergout in question is a character analysis
>>154151091Hang on. That particular leaker also said that the way they got this information was because of Vivzie's inability to shut up about her ideas to the overall crew.Bear in mind that the details of that leak lean very heavily into the overall way that Vivzie writes complete with Eve's goal being to exploit Charlie's daddy issues.What I'd consider more likely is changing plans based on the leak happening similar to how they clearly changed the plan for Vaggie between pilot and show.
I wouldn't bother. Mat unironically thinks that the devil emoji is Jessica confirming that Lute is a demon and that the Eve theory is wrong. He doesn't care that she straight up called Lute a demonic angel twice, and that, clearly, the Exorcists are not pretty/divine/holy looking angels.
>>154151109This anon gets it.
>>154151071
I can't believe there are people on this board who think Lute and Adam were right. The Exorcists systematically erased at least 6 million innocent sinners for the 7 years the exterminations were taking place.
>>154151151LMAO. You're the only one that thinks you're spergs are character analysis.
>>154151165Would you honestly be surprise if the Lilith Eve material wasn’t changed?
>>154151174If sinners are jews who are gypsies, homosexuals, and downies though
>>154151109This is some Dark Souls phase change shit.
>>154150760she's not eve, but she'ss made from the same flesh as eve by sera just to keep adam in linenow she's useless with him dead
>>154151165I spoke to that leaker. I know who they are. I don't recall them saying that. Do you have a source? It's unclear whether vaggie's have fully changed. In a patreon Q and A, Viv said that the Exorcist origins are still up in the air, that it doesn't matter to the overall story. That was around two years ago. The other reason she changed her backstory is because it was fanon, and Viv has a habit of incorporating certain fanon into her stuff. Also, she does not have complete creative control with Hazbin as she does with Helluva. She would not be able to scrap an entire episode willy-nilly like she did with Helluva.
>>154151199Are you implying in 2026 that Jews can't be gypsies, homosexuals, and downies?
>>154151193Matpat shut the fuck up. You keep asking the same question to the Lute Eve schizo. You're upset because their crap theory actually has stuff to back it up. You don't even have Zestial saying anything about Cain.
>>154151233Zestial's voice actor saying anything about Cain. You don't have leaks, or interview commentary, you have nothing. You're going by he said she said hearsay leaks from 5 plus years ago.
Mat is going to fucking lose his shit in season three, along with a bunch of other schizophrenics, who, for some reason use this show as their escapism fantasy.
Genuinely asking... When a schizophrenic loses their shit, do they need to be hospitalized?
Why does he think Abel is evil again? If anything, his fanfiction could apply to Cain. What's his hate boner deal with Abel lmao. Is it because he's voiced by Fall out Boy?
>>154151193IMO? Coin flip.Something I've come to accept about Vivzie's writing is that you can predict it pretty easily based on her conventions as a writer.>The goal is to ruin Charlie and Lucifer's relationshipLikely stays in. It's a daddy issue thing and it's a "wholesome chungus flawed trying dad" thing.>RosieHas to be something far more significant than what she's let on thus far to give Alastor the power he has. This, imo, is a non-negotiable.>>>154151220I didn't say she said it, I said it was speculated on and shows Vivzie's willingness to change things.Funniest part of all that, someone here clearly took the Lilith-Rosie leak and passed it off as a "theory" because I remember I checked reddit and twitter around the finale and sure enough, people were talking about it like one>>154151233I'm not Lute Eve Schizo or Matpat tho.
Pretty sure Rosie is a fallen angel or one of Roo's puppets
Zestial being Cain sounds retarded as balls. Who came up with that shit?
>>154151257My bets are about the most cynical and demoralizing shit ever. Why would I want to be right about the leaks not being changed in the final show? If anything I would prefer if Eve ended up being Rosie or something else altogether.
>>154151373And yet when someone challenges you, you lose your fucking mind. Try harder, loser.
>>154151373Well good thing that Lute is Eve, so you actually won't be right.
My brother in Christ, your theories are so delusional that you don't even have to hope that you're wrong. Abel being some bloodthirsty maniac or Zestial being Cain is delusional.
>>154151329Which would tie back into Alastor being connected to Roo in the Zoophobia days.
>>154151010>we will never see adam wipe lute's tears awaywhy fucking livehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjkdTT0Wr2w
>>154151109This but >Adam literally just doesn't know where Eve is since she's not in hell and "isn't" in heaven >She thought she was going to hell whole time out of the garden but the path 2 salvation is repentance >Lute as a persona is an attempt to return to how things were before the fall, because even though Adam loves her it was never the same (even if it was all in her head) and was led to believe angels would reject her. >Timegap between their deaths + penitent haircut and Adam just too meat headed to recognize her, comedy ensued Seras is likely responsible for all this. Asserting heaven would reject Eve and that she had to prove herself (even though the Gman said everything's cool) either planting the idea or cementing it when Eve couldn't face Adam. Adam could not help also by not thinking she'd be in heaven.
>>154151091Rosie is Lilith became more plausible with season 2 which is why I trust the leak. How is a normal sinner able to make deals with humans on earth? Why is there a specific ritual for summoning Rosie? How can she make someone the most powerful, more than she? Lilith has summoning rituals, but why Rosie, a woman who likely died in the 1800s. Keep in mind that when Alastor threatened to not help Charlie and friends defuse the bomb, Rosie was horrified and called him a liar which gives the vibe that she is personally invested in Charlie. Rosie owns Alastor who disappeared 7 years ago at her behest, the same time that Lilith did. Something is not right about her. Faustise, an ex friend of Viv, called Rosie "deathless" which was implying that she is not a normal sinner. The pilot had background paintings of Liltih getting possessively scratched up by Alastor. Yes, that was during the pilot era, but you can't sit there and tell me Rosie and Liltih can't have some kind of tie.
>>154151467I didn't say they were not tied, I just said they were not the same person.
>>154151309I’m predicting Viv just by how much she will humiliate Adam and Lucifer. With Rosie. It’s honestly really easy to predict she’s Lilith because of how this mystery woman is super aware and attached to Charlie. And her using Alastor to guard her. And the family statue. We only see depictions of the Mourningstars within their property since no one else respects them.
>>154151151I'm what kind of backwards retarded country hick world is this a character analysis.
>>154151496Stop talking to yourself Matpat.
>>154151450>thousands of years ago sera lied and said eve was in hell and no you can't go visit>"i'm sorry adam, but like it or not, hell is forever.">hell uprises, eve is still nowhere to be seen, heaven learns that the oldest sinners get absorbed into the hellscape eventually and that probably happened to eve>adam launches the exterminations as revenge for lucifer and lilith 'letting' eve disappear and having the nerve to lie about never seeing her
>>154151467>Rosie is Lilith became more plausible with season 2 which is why I trust the leak.No, it actually didn't. You're sharing a brain cell with the very same people who thought Adam raped the Exorcists. You're watching the show with your eyes closed or watching Viv's interviews. Viv already confirmed Lilith. Rosie is not Lilith.
Imagine trusting someone who claims to be a former employee that said what they said in 2021 and think it's actually still relevant. Unfortunately, that's half of the fandom.
>>154151309>to give Alastor the power he hasTo get completely buckbroken by not even a ranking angel? To lose to another sinner "overlord" down at the bottom of the totem pole in hell? Like the vox Rosie is filler arc or just a human sinner working for [_____] with actual pull. What you guys always forget it seems is Viv is refusing to give her cosmology over to Amazon as IP. So all the rings and demons and generals of hell she uses in the YouTube show and any self made future spinoff aren't being referenced and that greatly limits what we can see in hazbin. If she's using Roo and anything else seminal to a narrative theory in hellofaboss, the vox spinoff or horsefucker spinoff it's effectively off the table for hazbin hotel because she'd lose it to Amazon.
>>154151400Again. I have tried to look into that and it doesn’t make sense. I’m sorry but I don’t think Lute and the Exorcists have anything related to Eve lore. Her appearance would have at least relate to it but not even that is happening. Abel and Adam look more like Lucifer than Lute does with the depiction of Eve.
Rosie isn't Lilith, thank God. Viv confirmed it but people still hold out hope. I think they're the same people who think Adam is actually going to come back to life
>>154151649No, you're actually closing your eyes and covering your ears. But that's fair. Free to hold onto your delusions. Let's just wait until season 3.
>>154151450> Seras is likely responsible for all this. Asserting heaven would reject Eve and that she had to prove herselfThat’s not how any of this winner and sinner shit works. The person dies and then gets judged to be in heaven or hell. And sometimes they are sentenced to hell alive by their misdeeds like Lucifer and Lilith did.
>>154151500Because it’s properly recapping exorcist lore and what happens in the show.
>>154151680Nobody knows exactly what gets you into heaven or hell. At least not what exact powers get you in there.
>>154151701No, it's not. You're not good at doing character analysis, Mat.
>>154151555Do you have a refutation to what appears in the pilot and the show? Because everything that was listed would fuel a Rosie is Lilith truther.
>>154151719Arguing with them is impossible. I am starting to think they haven’t even watched the show at this point.
>>154151719I do, and I've told them to you before. You never listen. You then proceed to ask how I would feel if my theories turn out to be false. Then you try to say how it's unrealistic even though it has legitimate evidence both in and out of the show compared to your stuff. You get upset, you call me emotional for whatever reason, even though you're the one going off, and then you do it all over again. So I've effectively stopped trying with you because, per your own admission, you're not even expecting your own shit to come true. You get triggered when the theories you don't like may end up being true. So I'll see you after season three mate,
>>154151174>least 6 million innocent sinnersInnocent? You know they were in Hell right?
>>154151738You know you're not really good at masking how you write, right? At least use chatGPT or something.
>>154151764Here we go.
>>154151755> you're not even expecting your own shit to come true. Okay. I know you think that Anon is me. But fuck me you can’t readI said I don’t want my theories to be right because they’re demoralizing. That doesn’t mean I think they’re wrong.
>>154151785Here we go what? I don't visit Hazbin hotels in awhile. Did I miss some new autism?
>>154151755I'm new to the conversation. I don't know who the fuck you think I am in this schizo mess of a thread but brushing me off means you don't have any fucking rebuttal to all of this shit. If it was one coincidence, I would think "the leak is fake, a one off means nothing". But this much shit getting canonized/making it's way into official material? No, there is something here. What that something is, I'm not sure. If I happen to agree with a resident schizo, then oh well. I'll still wait for anyone to tell me point by point what is the rebuttal for all that was listed
>>154151823Ok matpat- I mean Jake- I mean anon.
>>154150783Based.
>>154151680>Be seras >Eve shows up in heaven, woman who brought sin into the world >What in the absolute shit are you doing here you are literally responsible for all of this.knifehand Seras is a soon to be fallen angel between the extermination and general rejection of everything God throws her way. If you thought pentious got the side eye and 3rd degree imagine what happened to Eve back in the day. Viv has 2 modes with girl characters, victims or lesbians. Heaven making Lute Eve what she became is boilerplate externalization that Viv says excuses all wrongs.
>no rebuttalLol. Lmao even.
>>154151008Wait what happened?>>154151071Oh yeah, this.That guy really went unpolite to say the least, wish i would have called him out on it then.
>>154151882Uh huh Mat. Keep at it
>>154151823That anon is pissed at me for thinking Eve being Lute lacks evidence within the show and that some vague Twitter post isn’t enough evidence for it.Cause like you, I subscribe to the leaks and think they make sense with the current show. But having flat out depictions of the fake Lilith having Charlie’s black nose and looking similar to Eve in the flashback scene is somehow not substantial, cause “uh, that’s just the show’s inconsistencies”.And somehow I’m a kid for reacting with what I see in the show.
>>154151894Right. I like how you reply to the comments that are regarding Mat, "Jake".Word of advice, use the latest model of chatGPT
>>154151174>innocent sinnersThis is highly contradictory but i assume that's the joke?
>>154151906I'm assuming the previous threads were filled with so much schizo retardation, that anons are going to call anyone the schizo in question. Makes me wish I saved that one screen cap of "this is what modern 4chan is now"
>>154151915You say that as if my first post in this thread wasn't calling the Shrek meme based.Also i have been outspoken to how much Cain being that spider demon would be dumb.>AINo, AI is of the devil and shouldn't be used. I rebuke your false accusations and may they all backfire.
>>154151942>Makes me wish I saved that one screen cap of "this is what modern 4chan is now"Oh i would have so loved to read that.I know i already have a lot to say about that but i would have loved to know what was specifically said so i can know more of what to say about it.
>>154151467NTA but Rosie could just as easily be tied with Roo instead who historically was connected to Alastor in Zoophobia. Isn't Charlie's creation supposed to be tied to Roo somehow to?
>>154152143I have a feeling Lilith and Lucifer practically worship Roo.
>>154152036Cain being the spider demon actually about that form being his curse for hating Abel and killing him in the fields, since Zestial is a literal scarecrow.
>>154152162I'm almost sure they made a deal with her to have Charlie. In the pilot production, apparently Charlie was supposed to be a mistake. But the person who worked on the pilot admitted that they don't know where the story is going now, but that was the original idea.
I would actually be okay if Lilith did not want Charlie. Not only would it make the glazers go batshit but we need more bad mom representation. Lute/Eve Is pretty good. Stella's pretty good. The only good mom is Carmilla.Viv also has mom issues.
>>154152182I could see Lilith making the deal with Eve (the chick who is directly connected to Roo) so that Charlie is conceived in Eve’s body.
>>154152210Nope. Eve is not Roo. That was already debunked.
>>154152199Stella is terrible
>>154152234Exactly. She's good bad mom representation. I want Lilith to be a shit mom.
I can't believe they wasted a whole season on Vox filler and we're no closer to solving any of the mysteries from Season 1.
>>154152296The fact that Viv made that specific choice drives me crazy. The Lilith shit was supposed to be for season 2. But once they were greenlit for more seasons, she changed course.
>>154152247Absent is good or bad?
>>154152232Anon. I made a distinction of Eve and Roo to make it that Eve is Roo’s tool for Charlie’s birth.
>>154152322The fuck kind of question is that?
Oh my fucking god, enoughhhhh with the Eve Roo Rosie faggotry.
>>154152332No. They're not connected in any way, shape or form. All Eve did was let Roo into the world. Eve is not Evil. Let it the fuck go.
So correct me if I'm wrong, in wifeswap:>Eve swapped places with Lilith seven years ago for reasons>Eve is not Roo and not Lute>Eve isn't even interested in Adam any more, she just wants to mess up Charlie's relationship with Lucifer because she's mad she gets blamed for the apple uhhh that's the most boring fucking plot ever.
>Roo Is this even a thing or just gigacope over the old deviantart character origins. It sure as hell wasn't in the first season.
>>154152476Roo is definitely still happening. They have started recording lines for her.
>>154152444Wife swap is:>Lilith is larping as a cannibal overlord named Rosie. Her sona, basically.>Eve, who is identical twin of Lilith for reasons, is angry at being blamed for allowing sin to enter into the world. Wants revenge on Lucifer and Charlie>Highly debated, but unclear whether Lilith and Eve switched a long time ago and she raised Charlie, or if they switched recently starting at the seven year mark> But wait, it gets better, because retards who did not understand the original leaks, think that Eve, who is disguising herself as Lilith, is actually being controlled by Roo. That was never said. It was actually debunked. That's what the fandom wants and what they think is going to happen.
>>154151874I see Sera screwing up Lute hard regardless if Lute is Eve or some kind of weird entity. Same with Abel.Everyone will make bets that Adam will be a sinner. Lute will be an angel. But honestly, Sera and Emily make too much sense to be fallen angels instead. Sera was always a corrupt and selfish bitch. Her little sister is completely detached from any sense of real morality in the show where the sinners themselves admit they deserve to be in hell. Even the one that killed Adam admits it.Wouldn’t be surprise if Abel himself starts to hate them and decides to take the wheel.
>>154152512Oh my God mat shut upppppp. No, Abel isn't doing that shit. You keep trying to turn Abel into a little psycho hater. God you're annoying.
>>154152444It’s not boring. It’s actually tragic.
Didn't Lute's va literally spoil her being Eve? LOL. nobody caressss. And then they're going to say oMg We dIdN't KnOw
>>154152554No Matpat. It's retarded. Just like you.
>>154152506So it's not actually in the show at all
What are the chances of Lute turning Adam evil? Is she capable of such manipulations?
>Abel remaining kind all the way until season 6 >Matpat: BUT HE'S EVILLLLLL THEY JUST WON'T SHOW IT!!!!!1111No seriously, what's with this dude's hate boner with Abel? Does he want to fuck him?
>>154152611Sorry meant Abel.
>>154152611Adam died. Also, Jessica did call her a mastermind and that she tries to manipulate people. Even by matpat's own delusions, she's literally Eve lol
>>154152532Anon. Did you forget season 2 had Sera and Emily ending up almost blowing Heaven to bits because they given Vox and the sinners the mercy button? Do you think Abel is going to overlook this?Abel doesn’t even have to have nefarious motives or anything. Just be tired of the monkey hopping.
>>154152685Uh huh.
>>154152585What isn’t tragic about a woman so driven to vengeance that her husband is just an ends to a means?
>>154152712Mh.
If Lilith swapped place with Eve 7 years ago then why are Lute/Adam/Sera involved in The Deal?
>>154152706Okay. You got it. Although, I do find it retarded Emily and Sera thought it was a good idea to hire Abel as a head exorcist instead of someone that wasn’t attached to Adam and didn’t retire Lute from her exorcist position. They are so stupid.
>>154152754That's one of the many things the wife swap theorists can't answer.
sexoooo
>>154152769Ohhs
>>154152754No. The swap happened before Charlie is born so that Eve can give birth to Charlie. And then for a time the real Lilith gets to be with Charlie and Lucifer.
>>154152795No, they only switched recently. Eve is holding her hostage. Duh
>>154152795If the swap happened before Charlie was born then why would Alastor disappearing 7 years ago suggest Rosie is Lilith
>>154152809Kinda. I would think Lilith with be in a soul contract with Eve because Eve is the only one that could give her what she wanted. Also, the fake Lilith wears a particular necklace. That might be a little mermaid reference in which Aerial makes a deal with Ursula and her voice ended up on a shell Ursula stored.Ursula uses this necklace to deceive aerial’s prince into marrying her. Since it has the voice of the mermaid (Aerial) that saved him.
>>154152888Ah
So Eve has to first do a deal with Lilith to swap places with her and then immediately make a second deal with Adam/Lute/Sera to stay in Heaven doing nothing and not taking advantage of being Lilith. Ok
>>154152828Okay. There is a lot happening.>Eve uses her deal with Lilith to decieve Lucifer into thinking she’s Lilith and provide the child Lilith wanted>Eve leaves for a time so that Lilith can be with the daughter she asked for>Eve uses her deal to make Lilith reside and to make the war campaigns that gets Heaven’s attention.>It succeeds and she makes her deal with Adam and heaven for the exterminations and to be in heaven.>Lilith, knowing how screwed she is, resorts gathering with her own deals, Alastor. She puts everything to place so that Alastor will aid and guard Charlie.Makes sense? The swap only happens two times.
>>154152975This makes the Lute Eve theory lot less retarded
>The swap ONLY happens two times! It's not complicated or anything, it's super simple!
Okay but WHY does Eve want to be Lilith while doing jack shit and not using Lilith's power?
>>154153020Eve is using the Lilith image for her political power, to caught heaven off guard by only revealing she’s Eve to Adam, and to torture and emasculate Lucifer. Especially to torture and emasculate Lucifer. Since nobody knows if Eve is still around or not. Kinda like Turbo from Wreck It Ralph.
I hope Lute is Eve just because it makes Adam even more based.>"Here Adam. This hot blonde bombshell is your wife. Create mankind with her""No way fag">"Wtf okay take this flat psycho bitch instead (this isn't going to work)"I will make 1000 children with her">"This guy is retarded
To be fair, Lute has white hair, white as a bone, and is a fucking bloody midget. Rib sized, just like his platter of bloody ribs in episode 1.
>>154151130Lol Lilith is just Lilith. Lute is Eve
>>154152511This is so fucking brain dead.
>>154151467Absolutely none of this accounts for why Eve would be posing as Lilith. Rosie could alternatively be powered by Roo.
Roo = RootRosie = Flower
>>154153394Rosie, Roo[R]oot of all [Evil] - RE - [R]osie's [E]mporium
>>154153273So vivziepop
>>154153422No, vivziepop is not this retarded. Making Adam hetero was a power move. Her fandom is 10 times more retarded. Just look at the Eve/Lilith/Rosie truther in this thread.
>>154153418Lilith and Lucifer striking some kind of a deal with Roo 200 years ago for the birth of Charlie could explain why Rosie is personally interested in Charlie.
>>154153418Roo of Eve
>>154153455I don’t think Lucifer would be aware of anything.
>>154153462Nope.
It could be interesting if Roo is the final boss because she always intended Charlie to be a traditional apocalyptic Antichrist figure.
>>154153475Curiously enough, Viv did like a post over on Bluesky where it said that basically Lucifer made Roo/Evil sentient. We see the embodiments of Good and Evil in season 1. I assume before Eden they were just.... forces? So the implication is that he gave Evil personhood, having made Roo by accident and that he doesn't even realize it. I would not put it past Viv to do something like that
>>154153508I wonder if it was shaped because Lucifer given the apple to a future mother, Eve. Since Roo does have this evil mother vibe to it.I wonder if Lute is supposed to be reshaped to be more like the good God thing.
>>154153504I will laugh so hard at Charlie being that.
Mé Éva, ben Ádaim uill. Mé ro sáraig Ísu thall, mé ro thall nem ar mo chloinn. Cóir is mé do-chóid sa crann.Ropa lem rigtheg dom réir. Olc in mithoga rom-thár, olc in cosc cinad rom-chrinFor-ír! Ni hidan mo lám.Mé tuc in n-uball an-úas. Do-chúaid t ar cumang mo chraís, in céin marat-sam re lám. De ní scarat mná re batsNí bíad eigredd in cach dú.Ní bíad geimred gaethmar glé.Ní bíad iffern, ní bíad brón.Ní bíad oman, minbad mé.
>>154153711Calm down Lute
Would be funny if Eve shows up as just a brief inconsequential figure. >Abel doing something important >random winner woman in the crowd> “you’re going great honey!”>Abel: “thanks mom!”>scene continues without any pause
>>154153777That would be goated
>>154153777Would Lute be weirded out
>>154153787She’s Eve!
>>154153820Exactly.
>>154150783>retard that still believes in spaghetti monster in the sky>what they see when they die
>Time to clean house Nifty!
>>154153990The Jesus is real
>>154154006lol
>>154154106Jesus is not in Hazbin
>>154151109
>>154151302The role he wants to give Abel would be more fitting for Seth. We already saw Abel is a massive pussy in the show and in most biblical works Seth is described as the perfect son that resembles Adam the most. Having the actual competent third son wanting to avenge his father while number 2 shits his pants from fear and number 1 is jerking off in some corner makes more sense.
>>154151349MatPat our resident retard.
I can never follow these threads. Approximately how many distinct schizos are we up to, and what percentage of the threads are their posts?
>>154154572That's nice in theory but we have no evidence for Cain or Seth's whereabouts whatsoever. That said, Abel was essentially dropped into the story without prior setup, so any of Adam's kids are fair game...
>>154152180Fuck off MatPat. Cain is not Zestial. Can't wait for you to rope yourself when Viv goes with Mormon Cain and he's actually a immortal human dude.
>>154152554What's tragic is you being retarded enough to like this plot point.
>>154152559Yup. It will be a Steven Universe situation.
>>154154677He's not going to do that. He's going to convince himself, somehow, that it was the intended plan but Viv scrapped it on purpose. Just watch.
>>154154718Angels VA literally spoiled what would happen to Angel in the season two finale. People went nuts over it and didn't question it. But Lute's actor does the same shit and people bend over backwards to dismiss it because it means the whole Eve Lilith shit isn't true. I can't wait to see the fallout.
>>154152787God if Lute is Eve she's by far her hottest depiction in modern times.
>>154153069Still makes no sense and comes off as incredibly contrived.
If we're claiming characters are secretly other characters, I think Seven Deadly Sins are actually the Seven Virtues.
Viv has mentioned Adam's other family members and that we may or may not get to see them. Do you guys think we've already seen Cain? Or will him and Seth just spawn into existence in season 4 or 5, like they did with Abel? Or will we just see them in the Eden flashbacks, and then never see them again...
>>154153105Both were probably hot bombshells. It's just that Eve being a psycho bitch probably made him harder than steel ( he's just like me).
>>154154791Isn't that biblical canon? Also, sorry to break it to you, but Lucifer actually made the seven deadly in the Hazbin universe. It was in a patreon call thing. Last I heard it was because Charlie had no friends or something, so that was his attempt to fix that situation.
>>154154829Lame. This is why I never look at outside information about a show.
>>154154829>Here's a good friend for my young daughter: The Embodiment of Lust!What did he mean by this?
>>154154841They may have changed it. Either way, it's not that far removed from Lucifer having made the Goetia. The show has pretty firmly established that he didn't wage some massive rebellion against Heaven.
>>154154829>>154154841>>154154852Having the seven deadly sins be literally born out the manifestation of their respective sin is far more interesting than Lucifer making them. If they actually do that they might be stupid and fuck up their power scaling even harder.
Lute being Eve makes zero fucking sense and is extremely stupid
>>154154865Yeah it makes him look really dumb. Making an insane greedy fat bastard, a giant roided out with anger issues and a perpetually horny slut to be friends with your at the time young daughter is very questionable.
>>154154791Might as well post the theory I had going, before canon ruined it: It's like a two sides of the same coin kind of thing. The Sins are down in hell to maintain the rings that make up Lucifer's prison. They each rule their own slice of hell, but they're also wardens of the jail. That explains why the Sins seem to act contrary to their title sometimes. Like Beelzebub told Blitz to knock it off because that was her Temperance side coming out. Plus at least Satan created his own race of hellspawn, and maybe this is just me but I like the idea of creating sapient life being purely a divine power.
>>154154892To be fair, the existence of the Virtues was already established back in Ep1. Adam mentions trying to hook up with a "Virtue chick," which tells us the Virtues already exist as their own group in Heaven. Meaning the Sins we've come to know in Helluva Boss aren't fallen Virtues. The Virtues already exist in Heaven as their own group, and the Sins exist as their own group in Hell. They're separate entities.
ADAM IS EVETHINK ABOUT IT
>>154154930Actually, there are some ancient interpretations where Adam and Eve originally existed as a single androgynous being before being separated into two individuals.
>>154154904It literally explains everything about Lute, and the va already spoiled it. It's just a waiting game now.
>>154154917Nahhh, sounds lame.
Does anything even need to be explained about Lute? Maybe I'm not reading into the show as heavily as you guys, but a loyal number 2 who secretly had feeling for her boss isn't exactly a headsccratcher.
>>154154813Probably randomly spawn in during the later seasons. We got no build up for Abel to the extent people though he died and disappeared forever because the show said Adam was the first person in heaven. We only found out about Abel after they posted that Christmas celebration art ( millions of tears were shed when they found out he wasn't black). Cain might get a showing up through a portal cameo if Viv's going with Mormon Cain.
>>154154971It's definitely not. You see that trope pretty much everywhere. But there is a lot of secrecy and hype surrounding her specifically.
>>154154971I have tried to not give a fuck about her, but yeah if you watch the interviews, it's pretty obvious they're setting her up for a reveal. They've been saying shit for about two years. But it's logical that casual non schizo viewers don't pick up on all that. Viv has a problem with setting shit up. And then with eight episodes per season? Good fucking luck.
>>154154927Apparently Virtues looks like angelic preying mantis creatures. You can see some during the Heaven court scene. Adam went and pulled a Omni Man by banging a literal bug woman.
Do you guys think we'll get more information on the elders that cast out Lucifer? We see there silhouettes up here twice, and they are very distinct. Are they supposed to be his older brothers in this specific universe?
>>154155020Yes, I was just about to say, in the Amazon/prime subtitles, when one of them is speaking, it refers to it as a virtue. Those are the virtues. So yeah, definitely Lucifer or even Lilith most likely made Bee, Mammon, Oz etc. They are not fallen virtues. People are going to get pissed lol
>>154154927>>154155020>>154155039Virtues are also a mid-tier class of angel though. Has there been any clarification if they're the same thing?
>>154155102You know what, that's a fair point! In that case, I guess the virtue -class- could very still well be a thing in Heaven, while the virtues fell, which we are now familiar with as the sins. Though, I will say this does leave me a bit skeptical still because, the angelic virtue class (es) looks nothing like any of the sins we've seen in Helluva Boss.
>>154155013I think it’s just her being a demon of some kind since the show establishes normal humans become winners, and ends with sinner humans being redeemable. The next question is about inhuman souls.I see Adam coming back and then having to react to this and to her. His only real appearance in season 2 was a trading card featuring him in the background. watching Vaggie and Charlie holding hands. So he’s… thinking about her and his love life. People seem to think that the only way for Lute to love Adam and for Adam to love Lute is if she’s secretly Eve. It completely misunderstands their love story altogether.
>>154150760Imagine trying to make sense of the Hellaverse's lore.
>>154155353Nobody thinks that. People who dislike the Lute being Eve theory SAY that's the case in order to put the theory down. Sigh, no. Jessica already called her a demonic angel twice and it's very visually clear the Exorcists look demonic. That's not a shocker or a new revelation.>His only real appearance in season 2 was a trading card featuring him in the background. watching Vaggie and Charlie holding hands.That's not Adam. It barely looks like Adam's silhouette. Adam-glazers claim it's him, hoping it's some telltale sign he's coming back. He's not.
>>154155380You're talking to matpat
>>154155313>>154155102One issue with virtue is that the word in itself is about gold moral qualities.So when Adam’ says virtue chick, it might not even be referring to a virtue angel at all.
>>154155412He didn't say virtuous chick, he said **virtue chick. He's very clearly talking about an angel. Let's not play dumb now.
Rosie is LilithLilith is Eve
>>154155412>So, I was playin' this gig, and for some fuckin' reason, this virtue chick was diggin' on the drummerIt'd be very unnatural phrasing for this not to refer to a class or title.
>>154155412>this virtuous chick>this VIRTUE chickHe's talking about a virtue angel.
>>154155431No MatPat.
>>154155458Someone didn't watch the show. The signs are there.
>>154155458You can clock him when he tries to debunk the Eve Lute shit by saying it minimizes Adam and Lute's relationship, and how Lute/the Exorcists are demonic monstrosities.
>>154155380> Jessica already called her a demonic angel twice and it's very visually clear the Exorcists look demonic. That's not a shocker or a new revelation.I did hear her say Lute is a demon angel. But those statements oddly dropped very quickly and she never referred to Lute that way again. That feels a lot more significant.Even if this twist is obvious by how they look, Lute AND the whole Exorcist race Adam named are these kinds of beings. And that is a big problem when Lilith’s voice can affect them. And will shock up a lot of the trust and outright security Lute and her race barely has.
Charlie is Lilith. Now get in the robot, Vaggie.
>>154155471Nope. Go away now.
>>154155479>quoting The Critical DrinkerYou lost.
>>154155474>But those statements oddly dropped very quickly and she never referred to Lute that way again.No, she didn't. And she said this twice in two separate interviews.>And that is a big problem when Lilith’s voice can affect themNo canon evidence for this. This? This is you imposing headcanons.>And will shock up a lot of the trust and outright security Lute and her race barely has.The fuck are you talking about. There is no trust.>Even if this twist is obvious by how they lookThat's not a twist.You know what, why am I bothering. Last thing I'll say. Enjoy it.
Every time the threads get somewhat interesting, matpat or jake or whatever the fuck comes in and ruins everything.
>>154155474>inb4 the twist is Exorcists are a race of demon/angel hybrids birthed by Lilith and were created 7 years agoVivziepop is so crap at writing I could see it happening. Although this would mean Vaggie would quite literally only be 7 years old.
>>154155438Nah. I have heard a lot of real life people referring to normal women as virtue chicks because normally they hate these women preaching Jesus. Calling them virtuous chicks is a lot more awkward.It’s just not as common anymore.
I'm convinced this thread is just the same three people talking to each other back and forth.
I'm ready to be sold on this Lute theory. Is there a a summary and compilation of current evidence somewhere?
>>154155524Me too.
BAXTER IS ACTUALLY TRANS
>>154155502> No canon evidence for this. This? This is you imposing headcanons.It’s not head canon. The first episode said Lilith’s singing empowers the demons. And this ability is why the whole rebellion and the extermination deal ever started.And the craziest and sneakiest thing is that Alastor is actually a user of this kind voice ability and he transforms himself and manipulates his environment by the radio staff Rosie provided to him.
A LOUD AMONG DEMONS WILL BE REFERENCED IN HELLUVA BOSS SEASON 3
>>154155548I wish. Viv just added the light because she thought it was cool looking. There's something funny about Baxter's demon design being inaccurate to his sex/gender. It must piss him the fuck off as a scientist.
VEROSIKA MAYDAY AND WALLY WACKFORD WILL GET MARRIED IN SEASON 3 OF HELLUVA BOSS
>>154155548NIFFTY PEGS BAXTER
HAZBIN HOTEL'S FINAL SEASON WILL GET A SUBTITLE AND BE CALLED "HAZBIN HOTEL: HERITAGE"
>>154155567Their merch suggest they have a thing going on. I support them. Wally is a freak in the sheets.
>>154155513At least Jake fucks off often enough. MatPat constantly on lurks here because his ass is unemployed.
IN THE FINAL SEASON, CHARLIE DIES
>>154155585It's the same guy. They use the same talking points and like to bible thump.
>>154155589I'd wish.
>>154155502> The fuck are you talking about. There is no trustThere is. Lute all up in public and in the court house without being in chains.Now imagine what they would have done to her if they knew what she is and Abel is unable to defend her. They would force her to only remain in the exorcist head quarters 24/7 just to keep the winners 100% safe.
THE HAZBIN HOTEL AND HELLUVA BOSS CROSSOVER WILL BE ALL ABOUT STOLAS, THE HAZBIN HOTEL CHARACTERS ARE ACTUALLY BARELY FEATURED AT ALL
>>154155589She's the anti Christ. She won't die.
LUTE BECOMES FAT AND ACTS JUST LIKE ADAM IN HAZBIN HOTEL SEASON 4
>>154155604It's plausible. Whenever he shows up he tends to derail the plot and suck up screen time.
VIVZIEPOP DIDN'T WANT VAGGIE'S NEW NAME TO BE "VAGATHA" BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE THINKING SHE WAS RIPPING OFF TADC
>>154155619I don't think they're going to make Lute a BBW. Viv seems to dislike fat people.
VIVZIEPOP BUTCHERED KATIE KILLJOY'S CHARACTER BECAUSE SHE HATED THE FACT PEOPLE LIKED HER AT ALL IN THE PILOT
>>154155629I like Vagatha...
ZESTIAL WILL LATER BE REVEALED TO BE CAIN
NIFTY KILLS ADAM AGAIN AFTER HE WAS REVEALED TO BE ALIVE
ANGEL DUST WILL BECOME A EUNUCH AT THE END OF SEASON 3
>>154155670Yeah. I prefer for Zestial to larp about being Cain as a troll but they can easily check backgrounds by the magic glowing ball.
>>154155693It's what he deserves
VALENTINO WILL BE REDEEMED AND BECOME A WINNER, VIVZIEPOP REALLY PUSHED HARD FOR IT
>>154155670>>154155695Fuck off matpat
ARACKNISS WILL BE GAY FOR HIS BROTHER ANGEL DUST
>>154155592Maybe it’s because the people under God are more sane.
Zestial's whole thing is being super old, but shouldn't there be tons of people old as him running around hell? People weren't getting permakilled until 7 years ago.
>>154155711ok jake/matpat
HENROIN WILL ALSO BE GAY FOR HIS SON ANGEL DUST AS WELL
>>154155712Viv doesn't really think about this stuff. You gotta remember her main focus is on gay beautiful men. Expecting good world building from her is just gonna leave you disappointed.
>>154155712Yeah, he wouldn't exactly be super unique at this point. Also the Exorcists didn't seem to be doing their jobs well anyways, so no doubt there'd be a lot of super old guys left over.The 7 years of Exterminations will never not be stupid.
>>154155712No, it's been stated that Zestial isn't the oldest Overlord ever. He's one of the oldest Overlords currently alive. There were older Overlords before him that have since been killed off. He's also the most powerful Overlord right now, but he's retired so.
>>154155712That shit alone is pretty much a big reason why normies predict Zestial is Cain. Because the age is just a plot device.
CRYMINI WILL APPEAR AND BE MADE INTO A TRANSWOMAN (MAN INTO A WOMAN)
>>154155745They never said there was an overlord older than Zestial. Just that he is one of the oldest overlords ever and no one in the overlord class is given an ancient statues.
>>154155750It's not even good because Zestial isn't the oldest being there. He's just the **current* oldest. The playbill confirmed this. He'd be a baby in diapers next to Cain. Normies also go for the Rosie/Lilith/Eve and think it's the edgiest twist in this show.
BLITZO WILL MARRY STOLAS AND BECOME A GOETIA
>>154155736The exorcist do their jobs well. They wiped off 13% of hell’s sinner population in one year.The number of kills they have are inconsistent because Viv is bad at world building.
>>154155780>13%OH YES, VERY SUCCESSFUL NUMBERS
>>154155780Didn't Vox mention "thousands"? Yeah Viv and her team are not good at math.
>>154155750Per the playbill, Zestial is the "Oldest living Overlord in power" which specifically means that, among the Overlords who are currently alive and still hold Overlord status, Zestial is the oldest. The phrase "living" means there were others before him who are no longer around. But normies like Jake/Mat/etc don't understand that and legitimately think he's the oldest being there. He's not. He's got nothing on Cain either. A true Zestial fan knows that.
ANDREALPHUS WILL BITE THE DUST IN SEASON 3, STELLA WILL CONTINUE TO EXIST JUST TO BE TORTURED
>>154155791I tried to do the extermination math before with the given numbers, and the only way it makes sense is if Heaven has a well over 99% acceptance rate. Which makes those stuck in hell look even worse, honestly.
>>154155791Don't forget that according to Adam, Lute killing 276 is supposed to be extremely impressive, meaning the rest of the soldiers numbers are probably half of that.
>>154155767Nah. Nothing in the booklet implies there were other older overlords than Zestial.It just titles Zestial the oldest living overlord in power. I checked multiple times.One thing that does catch my eye is the multiple centuries line. That implies he is much older than the era and aesthetics he’s currently using. Which is hilarious because it’s the 60s for him, a modern time.
>>154154006>
>>154155826Yes yes matpat, Caine oooh Zestial ahhhh. Go sit in your corner and color.
>>154155835Niffty should have easily killed Valentino.
Maybe if you eat someone you consume their soul. It'd explain why hell's population is so low and why there's so many fucking cannibals.
>>154155848She's going to rape (You) instead.
>>154155865She should rape the Vees.
>>154155797> The phrase "living" means there were others before him who are no longer around.That wasn’t possible till about seven years ago in the show’s setting and maybe Alastor. Saying that there were older overlords than him is basically making stuff up. He would be given this title even he was the first ever Overlord. It’s pointless to make fruitless assumptions.The way Vivzie describes him in interviews makes him feel mega damn old that he barely seems human anymore.
>>154155884Yes yes matpat, Caine oooh Zestial ahhhh. Go sit in your corner and color.
>>154155797Don't bother. The Zestial Caine what'shisface is genuinely special needs and schizophrenic. Just let him talk to himself and don't reply.
>>154155956Schizos suffer from visual hallucinations.
>>154150760We don't know.
>>154151130Yup! It's pretty obvious. The fandom is just in denial. This shit happened with Steven Universe.
Jessica was talking about a twist, Charlie vs. Lute, and all this future Lute content. Then Viv revealed the Lilith plotline got pushed back in favor of the Vox shit. The Lilith stuff was supposed to be for season two. Lute also isn't exactly a fandom darling, so nobody cares to connect the dots. Most people don't even care if she is or isn't Eve, so long as she's still connected to Adam. We're getting this ""twist"", that her VA already spoiled, probably next season or season four.
It's a twist that was spoiled basically. Jessica is super hyped about it.
>>154154721O yeah, they def will. Him, the abel and lute shippers, the lilith eve people. Like always, it'll weed out the retards.How many left after they realized Lucifer wasn't some Alastor 2.0?
>>154151071what the fuck.
Didn't some people actually think that Alastor was a shapeshifted Lucifer back in the pilot days? It's that shit all over again.
>>154151173;HDFAWEHOF WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS
So if lute is eve, she does the exterminations to make up for her original sin? Is she aware she is eve? Her love for adam would change if she realizes she is Eve?
>>154156165>Alastor does care taking for Charlie and does the big smile>Oh he’s Lucifer>Lute is a woman that loves Adam >Oh she’s EveYeah. I can see your point too well.
>>154156203>Is she aware she is eve?Why would she not realize she's Eve. How stupid is that.
>>154156206Yes yes matpat, Caine oooh Zestial ahhhh. Go sit in your corner and color.
>>154156165I think the worst aspect is that nothing in Lute’s design relates to Eve whatsoever. But the Lilith trading card in season 1 does. With matching hair details and the smile.
>>154156214Idk amnesia?
the reason the 'lilith is rosie' theory falls apart for me is that it means the rosie persona/voice was established over a hundred years ago, back when she first contracted with alastor - a hundred years before the exterminations began and before there's any indication that heaven gave two shits about what hell was doing. why would she be larping as a random overlord with her own gated community even then?also, why did lilith set him up for failure against adam (risking charlie's life and the lives of all her supposedly precious sinners in the process!) and then dick him around enough afterwards that he was willing to risk the entire pride ring being nuked just to fix his staff? alastor wanted to break whatever deal he had with her and succeeded - surely that renders whatever, if any, genuine friendship they had null and void. how does whatever she planned with alastor work now that he's proven he has a limit to his patience and is no longer bound by her deal? why would she be so disgusted that 'you [alastor] really are a demon' if she loves sinners so much, unless the takeaway is that lilith despises the hellborn that lucifer created?
>>154156271> also, why did lilith set him up for failure against adam (risking charlie's life and the lives of all her supposedly precious sinners in the process!)She didn’t. Alastor was very useful in episode 8. He lost his power because he acted overly confident and stupid to go up against Adam. She told Alastor to don’t do that again.> why would she be so disgusted that 'you [alastor] really are a demon' if she loves sinners so much, Are you autistic.She smiles right afterwards. It was a compliment.
>>154156271My main question is what exactly the Rosie = Lilith crowd expects the reveal to look like. Rosie has a very specific voice, accent, musical genre, and overall identity. Her entire character is built around Broadway showtunes, ragtime, vaudeville, that 1920s–1930s vintage musical theater aesthetic. So if she's secretly Lilith... then is Rosie's accent fake? Is her voice fake? Is the entire musical style fake? Is Lilith secretly a ragtime singer who enjoys vaudeville and musical theater? The theory also has to account for Rosie's established characterization. Viv has described Lilith as regal, queenly, diva-like. Rosie is a completely different genre of character. But according to these people, the queen stuff is... Eve? Maybe there's an explanation, but I've never understood how the reveal is supposed to function in practice. Is Lilith going to suddenly drop the accent, change her mannerisms, switch musical genres, and become an entirely different character?
>>154156288>> why would she be so disgusted that 'you [alastor] really are a demon' if she loves sinners so much,>Are you autistic.>She smiles right afterwards. It was a compliment.Holy fucking media iliteracy
>>154156296The music genre Rosie has is actually JAZZ.Adam in his fight with Alastor refers to Alastor’s music, from the tool he got from Rosie, as jazz.
>>154156296They can never answer that, to be honest. Because it makes no sense. The twin plotline is pretty fucking bad.
If Lute is not Eve then I just can't think what her giant secret is 'that will leave the audience with lovely open mouth surprise' or whatever it was Jessica Vosk said.
>>154156690The fandom's best guesses:>She'll become a fallen angel>She's an Eve clone>She was made as a third partner for AdamWhich are all really stupid. Again, Jessica Vosk literally spoiled it. She's Eve. But people are OBSESSED with wanting a Lilith twin to raise Charlie or some shit.
>>154156714The only thing I can't place with this theory is what the rest of the exorcists are. I once thought Lilith was involved with them. Vaggie does have Lilith eyes (, and Lute lacks them). Maybe the deal between Eve and Lilith involved the creation of the exorcists?Then, if Charlie is a Roo baby like some theorize that neatly sidesteps any implication of incest in her relationship with Vaggie, not that all this arcane creation stuff really is incest as we know it but you know what fanbases are like.
I would've been perfectly fine with Eve having some Machiavellian revenge plot against Adam... except we've barely seen her. For the people insisting the woman in Heaven is secretly Eve, she hasn't spoken, revealed any major motivations, shown any fixation on Adam, and the only emotion she's displayed so far is mild annoyance at Lute's text. Where's the buildup? Not only that, Adam doesn't seem to hate Eve either. So we've spent two seasons Lilith, only to then suddenly be told she's ""actually"" Eve and revenge? That runs completely counter to what Viv has said she prefers: letting the audience get to know a character first before pulling the trigger on their big narrative moment.Also Lute:>Wants revenge against Lucifer and Charlie>Is grieving Adam and is angry>Nobody listens to her>Implies both she and Adam came up with the Exterminations>Confirms she's "endured". Her va said she has trauma and has a ""sympathetic"" reason to hate sinners>Called ""feminine rage"" by Viv>Confirmed to make it till season five>Confirmed by Jessica to be **important** when it comes to whatever shit is going to go down between Heaven and Hell>Twice Jessica has said she can't spoil anything or ""she'll be killed"">Is set up with Abel as a duo, to which Viv also confirmed all three, Adam Abel and Lute, have good rock voices and sound good togetherShe's literally just Eve. That's the big reveal. It's really not any more complicated than that.
>>154156761In a patreon call q and a session thing, around two years ago, Viv said that the Exorcist lore is "still up in the air" and that it ultimately makes no difference. The only canon things we know right now is that the Exorcists are NOT directly descended from Adam.
>>154156786I want to say they're almost Lilith's '''Goetia''', not literally but with the same relationship to her as Goetia do to Lucifer.
The biggest hurdle people seem to have with Lute being Eve is that they're expecting Eve to be this hyper-complicated mystery box character. She needs a secret deal, a master plan, a fake identity, a shapeshifting gimmick, a revenge scheme, and three-hundred layers of deception. Oh and she NEEDS to hate Adam, for some reason. But they ALSO need Lilith to be that way. Anything else is hard for them to digest.
>>154156806Nah, they're not.
It's kind of surprising that Adam's subservient helper woman who loves him and has overt imagery of removing rib shaped objects from his chest while singing about being soulmates being Eve is considered a fringe theory
The funny thing is that the show itself doesn't treat Eve like some giant mystery character. That's Lilith's thing. It's going to be relatively straightforward, like how we found out Husk and Niffty were overlords, or how Charlie found out Adam was "that" same guy from Eden. It's not this big thing. Also, clearly Sera knows. Why do people think she treats both Sera and Adam like that?
>>154156849>Her VA literally spoiled it.>Lute's audition song is a woman empowering feminist song>""""feminine rage""""">"The only soul that completed you."Fandom: SHE'S NOT EVEEEEE REEEEEYou cannot get any more obvious than that.
hehe I just realized: Lute is Adam's 'second' in command, right? Meanwhile Eve, in this continuity, is Adam's 'second' wife, the 'second' woman ever made. Vivzie makes it super obvious sometimes, I'm laughing.
>>154156858mb, meant to say:Why do people think Sera treats both Lute and Adam like that?
>>154156880And her name is Lute/Lieutenant which is a real military title yeah but is also used colloquially as a term for a second in command. It's her whole being
>>154156912Leaked audition sheets have other Exorcists names. Clitorissa, Labianne, then Vaggie. Lute, short for Lieutenant, doesn't seem like something Adam came up with. It's probably just a nickname.
Like there's so much imagery, both lyrical and visual, tying Adam and Lute together physically as one literal body >She calls herself his right hand>She's grafted his halo onto his body>Aforementioned rib imagery>Singing about his soul completing hers
Lute is rib-bone sized next to Adam. She's his rib.
>>154156934>grafted his halo onto HER bodyWhoops
And now in Season 2 she's wearing his blood on her uniform all the time
>>154156806Lilith attempted an uprising, and Heaven responded specifically --with-- the Exorcists. The Exorcists already existed before Lilith's rebellion. She wasn't responsible for creating, or helping to create, them.
She looks good with long hair.
>>154155020>Adam is a bugfuckerWTF I hate Adam now!?
>>154155558I've argued before that Baxter being a pooner could end up being hilarious, where>Dies sinking the Titanic on behalf of the people who want to create the federal reserve>ends up in Hell>is now a woman for some reason>works hard to become an accomplished bio scientist in order to figure out how to change himself back into a man>failsWhat Viv et al think the moral is>"There's nothing wrong with being trans"What the actual moral is>"Accept the body you're given and don't try and change it"
>>154157237I will always respect a straight male who's a monster fucker.
>>154157329More like Zoophile. Which is actually on brand for Adam since he was in Eden and all that.
>>154157329No. To quote based exorcist, it's
>>154157351Weren't him and Lilith made at the same time in Hazbin. Worst case scenario he probably jerked off ( with consent of course) to her when he was pent up.
>>154157393I think in some apocryphical texts before Eve comes along, he does indeed fuck the animals. Fun callback to that ig
Eye opening
Lute is drenched in Eve imagery, it's just that people are thrown off the scent because she has no Roo imagery (which isn't even part of Adam and Eve folklore) and they've already made up their mind that Eve will be Roo.
>>154150760This show is highly satanic because it has DEMONS and HOMERSEXUALS
Didn't the first reveal of Adam and Lute on Twitter, the one with the chibis that inspired the ship name Guitarspear, call them>Adam and *cough* LuteOr something like that?
>>154151174If they're in hell and didn't rise again in heaven like Sir Pentious, then not only were they not innocent, but they were cowardly bastards or completely unrepentant of their actions.So, innocents you say?And, 6 million in 7 years, damn, they redoubled their efforts after the first year, congratulations to Adam's initiative, I suppose that for every 10,000 that each one accumulated they earned a fingering or a pussy licking from the first human tongue on earth
Congratulations to Lute for being both Pearl and Rose Quartz at the same time.
>>154154930This has more truth in scripture than one might think.
>>154152180Yeah, that sounds dumb.
>>154158301Yup. Plus her supposed file has redacted content.
>>154157655
>>154158212What Eve imagery?
>>154159836The Lucifer horse is pure nightmare fuel
>>154160038Haven't you seen any Lute porn?
>>154156934That’s love imagery. Not Eve imagery.
>>154160056No.
>>154160073You should check some on R34.
>>154160180I prefer no Brain damage.
>>154156771Eve wants her revenge on Lucifer and Heaven. Her not caring about Adam’s life is just black widow shenanigans.
>>154160329No you dense moron. That's Lilith.
>>154160329Fuck off MatPat
>>154160375Don't bother with him
>>154158363Lute being Eve Is one of those things that is extremely obvious, and it'll be revealed point blank.
>>154160375And what does Lilith look like in the season 1 trading card
>>154161056She looks like Lilith, you stupid fuck. Look at her pilot artwork. She literally has that same hairstyle.
>>154160403Yeah, you're right. He's going to go on another schizo rant
>>154161056Im pretty sure the whole Lilith initially looking different isn't a case of foreshadowing that somebody is pretending to be her and is actually caused by Viv and her team half assing her initial design ( because they really don't bother much when it comes to women) which later got it's proper definitive look.
i found a fic where satan and a goetia scientist picked up a bunch of exorcists and adam and rezzing them and ended up impregnating adam with satan's baby as part of an experiment to create a new demon race from satan but of course they had to fuck it up by making it fucking adamsapple so it's fucking garbage.
>>154161187I actually kind of think it's just Charlie's memory? Especially now that her voice actor said that all she's ever wanted is Lilith 's love and affection, meaning Lilith was probably always distant, maybe a little bit mean? That's probably just how Charlie remembers her. Lilith is actually wearing the same hairstyle from the pilots family portraits, specifically where she's wearing a red dress, and another one where she is facing the front. It's just Lilith. But people have legit convinced themselves it's some evil doppelganger. The narcissistic bitch probably just drew herself in the storybook twice. I would not be surprised if Eve didn't even look like the silhouette in the book. Viv did say that we should not trust Charlie's narration 100%. It's meant to be unreliable.
Lute, Eve, Lilith, Rosie and Roo have spent the last ten thousand years screwing with everyone by secretly swapping identities every so often, but because they've all been doing it for so long all five of them have forgotten who was originally who and eventually there's going to be two Rosies or Liliths or whatever in the same place and it's going to be incredibly awkward.
>>154161233Nta but adding.... She's wearing the same exact smile in the card that she is in the resistance posters. The schizos though have deluded themselves into thinking that the Lilith depicted on the posters, where she's shown singing, is the Eve imposter. It's literally just Lilith lol
>>154161121No. She looks like the Eve in the Eden story book. Two strands of hair poking out. Hair is significantly flatter, rounder, and straighter.Lilith’s hair is curlier. It rounds upwards to hook-like shapes. And poofs up to very angular shapes similar to Lucifer and Lute.I think the strangest thing about it is that the Lilith in Heaven has at least one something off with her every time we see her. The first season appearance had the hair right but the face is off in a way that I can’t chuck up to bad drawing skills. Season 2 fixed the face but the hair is off and lacks those curls. I don’t see how this is unintentional.
>>154161421Right so anyway. That's just Lilith! Hope that helps.
>>154161233>The narcissistic bitch probably just drew herself in the storybook twice.I would not be surprised if Eve didn't even look like the silhouette in the book. I actually want this to be true because it perfectly encapsulates the type of spiteful shit some women do to eachother. Lilith having an ego so big she felt the need to erase Eve and put herself in her place is very fitting. It probably comes from the fact Eve is remembered as the mother of humanity while Lilith is considered a non cannon creation by most religions sects and is less known by comparison.
>>154161462I hate Lilith and I can tell it’s not her.Anon, what does Lilith have to gain by any of this and abusing her own husband and daughter?
>>154160038>Adam's appointed helper whose current name means 'second in command'>Obviously loves Adam and considers him her soulmate>Many allusions to being one flesh and body with Adam, see >>154156934>The most important characters in her little narrative sphere, apart from Adam, will be Abel and Lilith going forward.>Is familiar enough around Lilith to confront her while she's vulnerable and bleeding out, threatening Lilith's daughter, that she doesn't expect to be immediately killed. Has Lilith as a contact on her phone. Is co-operating with Lilith for something. Adam is dead so why would Lilith give a shit about her unless they have some kind of history in their own right? Lute is explicitly acting without Sera's authority here too, so this is not Lilith co-operating with Heaven by proxy.
>>154161513Yet you want Eve to do the same shit to her family? Ok. So anyway! It's Lilith.
>>154161513Yes, yes I'm sure you hate Lilith, not-mat person. Mmhmm
>>154161520She's Eve.
i will accept the wifeswap theory ONLY if eve is responsible for all the good memories charlie has of her mother while lilith is all the bad ones, because it would be funny.
Kill wife switch plot so that all the autistic schizophrenics lose their shit.
>>154161513MatPat go get drunk. You'll start making more sense then.
>>154161421>She looks like the Eve in the Eden story bookThe same storybook that is a modified version of events that specifically paints Lucifer and Lilith as good? lmaoooo
>>154161520Love this art. She looks so genuinely unhinged. Also agree with your points.
>>154161520Okay, so it’s the same old >She loves Adam and fulfills a similar role as Eve. She must be Eve!>She hates Lilith and confronts after Adam died. That must mean she’s Eve!Jax has constant dog imagery. That doesn’t mean he’s Scratch, the first abstracted character. It just meant he’s going to abstract.Also, did you forget that Lute has a sense of self-importance that no one respects? “Lilith” just told on Lute and went about with her day.
>>154161646No Matpat, you're ignoring literally all the other evidence that has been provided to you. But do whatever you want. It doesn't even matter when it turns out canon because you'll delude yourself into thinking that Viv changed it to spite you specifically.
>>154161634The story book accurately portrayed the appearance of Lilith, Lucifer, and Adam. And Eve was portrayed as a sad woman that was joyful about getting the apple from Lilith and Lucifer. Adam is portrayed as bad and Lilith didn’t even make him fat.It’s contrived logic.
>Lilith has different hair?>GASP ITS EVE!
>>154161693And you actually believe Eve was happy or even wanted to take the fruit? Because Lilith and Lucifer were heroes that meant well, right? It's impossible that they might have pressured her. Got it.
>>154161742I hate I those two. But I can’t say they would misrepresent what Eve looked like. And she doesn’t look like Lute at all.
>>154161693>Adam is portrayed as bad and Lilith didn’t even make him fat.Why the fuck would she make him fat? It only hints that maybe Adam got fat during his stay in heaven and didn't have contact with the Morningstars until recently so they used his old appearance which is how they remembered him looking.
>>154161797>so they used his old appearance which is how they remembered him looking.So they would do the same thing with Eve
>>154161779MatPat fucking rope yourself already. You are incredibly schizophrenic.
>>154161779Viv has said to not trust the narration 100%. It doesn't even matter if the Eve silhouette is accurate or not. It's Lucifer and Lilith's version. The reason Lilith's face is constantly obscured is because that's how Charlie views her. You don't keep up with the interviews and shit, do you? Charlie's voice actor literally said that all she ever wanted from Lilith was her love. Lilith was not a darling Disney mom. She neglected Charlie. Lucifer and Charlie both confirm in season 2 that Lilith is really good at ignoring meaningless things and people. It makes it clear that they're talking about themselves. But you're not media illiterate. You actually think that Jessica was confirming Lute is a demon with the emoji. So I don't expect you to get that.
>>154161833Media literate *** That was smart of me. But my point still stands.
>>154161809I literally pointed out how Lilith might straight up erased Eve and shoved herself in her position because she was salty by being replaced. Adam's appearance remained the same because Lilith didn't feel personally threatened by his existence unlike with Eve.
Here's a trvthnvke for you: the Lute=Eve theory would be 10x more popular if everything else was the same but Lute didn't cut her hair short in a fuckass bob.
It's the fact that Charlie's voice actor confirmed Lilith was neglectful, and then they hint at it in season 2. But the Lilith glazers and gooners can't fathom the idea that she is not such a nice person lol Like, if Lilith is ever not nice, it HAS to be the Eve clone lmao
>>154161887Oh, 100%. Why the fuck does she have the same ass bob as the twink deer.
>>154161861So why don’t Lilith make Eve look like herself?
>>154161888It's because Lilith is all about empowerment and feminism, and she would never harm another woman ever!!!111 She actually tried to help Eve. Clearly Eve wasn't happy, right?? I mean, Lilith wasn't happy being with Adam, why would Eve? She was saving her, you guys!!!I mean, Charlie had to get her habit of pushing boundaries from somewhere. Clearly it's not Lucifer.
>>154161924What makes you think Lilith doesn't look like that? Look at the pilot artwork. She literally has that hairstyle you stupid fuck.
>>154161887Long hair Lute
>>154161924You are genuinely retarded MatPat.>>154161950I agree with you. Thanks for proving my point.
>>154161950Because Lilith hair is mega curly and works like Lute’s. Eve’s hair is very different aside from maybe color.This feels like something you made because you’re cornered and you gotta make shit up. Going to these lengths just makes it more obvious that Eve has her own hair style and it legitimately breaks your Lute is Eve theory. Like for real. I’m starting to think you don’t even like Lute. You want her to be replaced by something else entirely.
>>154162023The fuck characters are you looking at dude? Where in the actual hell did you get curly?Yes, yes that's what all the anti Lute Eve may sayers say. Good job matpat!
>>154161952casually bringing back my theory that the reason the exorcists all skew towards white/grey hair is because adam remembers eve with white/grey hair from age but still thinks she's the most beautiful woman in the world so it's his favourite hair colour.
>>154161950The pilot artwork had a Lilith with a completely different hair style in the rebellion posters and a Lilith in the family pictures that is no different from the Lilith in the final show.
>>154162069Matpat go play outside. You reached your screen time limit.
>>154162053Love that.
I can't wait to see the Lilith feminist woke crowd react to Lilith being a neglectful bitch to Charlie when she was growing up. They're going to say it's sexist writing.
>>154162098They already think Viv is misogynistic. They will probably just drop the show and Viv will be forced to appeal to the fags and chuds.
>>154162098>>154162127They would say the same thing with wifeswap Eve. But worse.
>>154162228Wifeswap is not going to be a thing.
>>154162239I’ve accepted it since season 1.And really, it does make “Lilith” so much more freaky in this show that should have more horror theming going on. Like it did in the Pilot.
Lilith being a flawed, not perfect, semi neglectful mother because that's just who she is, is infinitely more interesting than her being neglectful because she's -checks notes- a shapeshifting Eve in disguise.
>>154162347Rosie being Lilith is already a severely flawed person that allowed her own desperations cause the biggest issues in her household. Which Alastor might be a part of.And Lilith being Eve would have been in the area of Adam for about seven years before his death and still turned on everyone despite the seven years of peace she’s been given.
>>154162444Nope matpat. It's convoluted as fuck and is not happening. Good luck though
>>154162098the fujo feminist woke crowd would love that though because it 'frees' lucifer up for shipping with the asexual deer or the dead straight guy so there could be a very fun schism.
>>154162444Once again rope yourself MatPat. You retarded incest baby.
Rofl at people who still think Rosie is Lilith ,,
>>154162475Yup. I included them in the fags section.
>>154162476He's not an incest baby, his mom just swapped places with his dad's sister.
>>154162460I find the Lute is Eve more convoluted because of how Eve would have to be turned into a completely different person that is incredibly different from Lilith and Eve by appearance, race, nature, etc. and perform this for thousands of years without breaking and crying to Adam once.
>>154162502It all makes sense now. He's not actually talking about the show he's been subtly telling us his life's story. Then again maybe he should seek therapy instead of being a retard on 4chan.
>>154162523>raceAre you deadass? You are seriously grasping at straws here. You can also explain it through multiple means. As a punishment. Mental health issues combined with guilt. Mindwipe or memory blockage.
>>154162523You don't have to be an autistic Lute Eve schizo bitch to actually understand it. You're trying to elevate Eve into something extremely complicated when there's no indication of that in the show. The same exact way Vaggie was an exorcist angel, and then she fell, hid her past, and changed her name, that's all that's happening. It's not that she takes over someone else's identity. She just is. She just grew up and went through some shit. That's all. You want it to be the super complex thing. It's not. Also, we don't even know if Adam did or did not know. It's kind of implied that he did. The secret would be shocking to us, not the characters in heaven. That's why Sera treats them both like shit.
Lol because Lute's VA spoiled this shit 2 years ago.
I never thought to see the day where Hazbin Hotel fans become Dannys
>>154162687
Charlie will come into power but slowly become more despotic and authoritative. She eventually does something unforgivable and exiles herself and the hotel slowly gives ground to it's enemies. At the most desperate hour Charlie reappears and sacrifices herself to save the hotel and her friends. Afterwards some time has passed and the hotel has fallen by the wayside as Pentagram City grows around it. Emily is still down there trying to redeem souls with some of the original staff when Charlie arrives, seeking redemption in the Hazbin Hotel.
>>154162572All of this mumbo jumbo when you can’t even cope with Eve and Lute having completely different hair.
>>154162779Adam tells Vaggie to kill Charlie to save the world.
We need to band together and rape the retardation out of MatPat.
>>154151174>Think of the 6 gorillion sinners!No, lol.Also sex with Lute.
>>154162836The hair is your proof? Ok matpat, yes yes, good job, so smart!
>>154162872Yes. Lute has more physical similarities with Lilith than Eve because of it.
Matpat will either go on in a schizophrenic rage here when season 3 makes it clear Lilith isn't Rosie. I mean, that's already clear but anyway.Or he will make a convoluted conspiracy theory about how Viv is out to get him specifically, and how she rewrote everything last minute, in order to obscure the truth or something.Place your bets
>>154161952My godShe looks like an angrier barbie doll.
>>154162883Yes yes, good job, so smart!!!
I wouldn't bother. Viv can literally say what's going to happen, she can even say that Lilith is just Lilith, and Mat will somehow find a way to completely misunderstand. Don't expect much.
i remember for a little while there was a theory that alastor was eve post ftm transition for some reason.
>>154162955I remember when everyone thought Lucifer made a whole new persona and was actually Alastor in disguise. Viv was asked about this in the early release package, when people bought it for season 1, before the show aired on prime. She specifically said that no switches like that are happening. So nobody's anyone in disguise.
Of all the exorcists Lute's horns are most similar to Lilith's... almost like... she was a replacement Lilith... Hmm
>>154163010Nope! Lilith attacked Heaven first, and guess what? Heaven retaliated with the Exorcist and the Exterminations. Meaning they already existed.
>>154162627>I never thought to see the day where Hazbin Hotel fans become DennysI dont want a grand slam omelet faggotI want season 3 NOW
I need to fill Vaggi Vage with my spunk.
>>154163006So no Lute is Eve
You know big horns no halo Adam persuading Lute to do bad things in a sexy voice is just awfully reminiscent of so many depictions of the Devil talking to Eve in Eden.
>>154163096Lute is not Eve in disguise. She's just Eve. By that logic "Vaggi" the fallen angel is a disguise and identity swap for "Vaggie" the Exorcist angel. Because they have different names wooahhh
Lmao at Matpat losing it at the Eve schizo because it'll actually come true.The Rosie being Lilith, Eve being in disguise was always fucking retarded. Not even Viv has enough retardation for that.
>>154163125Viv has said that while Lucifer is the devil, the one who serves as the narrative devil of Hazbin and Helluva is something else.
>>154163152Yeah, she said he's the devil, but he's THE actual devil he's portrayed as in other depictions. It's pretty clear she's going for a misunderstood being who had genuine intentions but fucked it up. The devil in this universe is the evil embodiment goddess thing she spoke about, Roo
>>154163165** NOT --the-- devil
>>154163084>Vaggie after she caught herself getting hot and bothered by the thought of being railed by the handsome cashier.
>>154163125i wish charlie got to have an adam on her shoulder due to her guilt at his death seeing as how she wanted him to live. there was some neat fanart of the concept but i've not found much else.
Vivziepop confirmed in an interview That the person who called Charlie was the real Lilith. The only person we have seen who's receiving Charlie's phone calls is Lilith in Heaven, ergo.... Lilith.Do you know how retarded it would be for them to reveal that, akshually, that was never Lilith, but Eve? Lmaoooo people really are on something.
>>154163233People fully believe that Satan ruled hell before Lucifer came along. Some even genuinely believe that Chaz has a twin brother. Yeah they need things spelled out.
The most likely possibility is that Eve doesn't exist in the show because the writer's various counterculture influences don't resonate with her. Rosie and Lute are utilitarian characters that exist to enhance the presence of specific male characters, which makes the target audience uncomfortable. Lilith is a mystery box and so takes on whatever shape the current discourse holds.Spooks and phantoms everywhere.
I still don't understand the Rosie being Lilith who's actually even disguised and raised Charlie is not super complicated? Can someone explain it to me like I'm five. I swear, nobody can explain it in a cohesive manner that makes any sense.
>>154163258Eve is Lute. Her voice actor literally gave it away lmao
>>154163272Maybe it’s because your have the understandings below a five year old.
>>154163300Okay? So explain it.
>>154163288Nobody cares. Even the show doesn't set up Eve as this mysterious character. Lilith is the one everyone cares about and haunting the narrative or whatever.
>>154163307Lilith took a deal with Eve and had to give Eve her own identity for Charlie’s birth.And because Eve is the main dealer of the soul contract, it’s all in her favor.
>>154163347Why did she go to Eve? Why would Eve, someone younger than her, have more power than the queen of hell? Why would Eve even make a deal with Lilith? When would she have made this deal? I think you're confusing Eve with Roo, the Evil goddess Viv spoke about.
No, goddamn it. Don't get him started.
>>154163362Eve is the second oldest woman ever and had a direct tie to Roo and brought it to earth and create hell by eating the apple.
This whole convo is people going crazy over the Eden women.
>>154163401To be fair, Viv should have answered this shit in season 2, but no, she had to focus on the TV faggot and the deer twink.
>>154163396So why would there be two VERY Evil characters capable of making deals. Are you suggesting Eve is Roo in disguise? Oh God this is so stupid.
>>154162909
>>154163396She's the youngest between the first three humans. Lilith is literally the queen of hell. She's infinitely more powerful. Eve just let Roo inside Earth. She doesn't have a connection with her otherwise.
Who is more powerful: Adam or Lilith?
Wait, why do people think Eve became this eldritch horror? She had to be on Earth to raise the kids and shit. What are these people on?
>>154163475I think they're the same.
>>154163415True
>show is just bad at differentiating sinners/saved from devils and angels>Conveyance in tatters, no one has any way to tell what is going on Are the exorcists angels or former humans or are former humans all angels. This really only matters for if Vaggie has a human backstory or is a literal NPC in both origin and characterization. Then the power scaling, if every exorcist is an actual angel they're stronger individually than any overlord which is not the case. So they almost have to be of the tier of former humans like sinners, just protected from non angelic weapons. Then will anything be done with that like the corrupting act of the extermination causing dead exorcists to team switch into hell as part of some larger idea of moral living being a fluid constant effort? Or is all that dropped plot to make room for more fujoshi ryona in season3.
It's funny that the people who insist Eve is in evil witch because she ate the apple completely choose to overlook the fact that Adam also ate the Apple. Even Lilith ate the apple.
>>154163475Lilith might have more magical capabilities and seems to be more of a support buffer with her singing. Adam definitely is more physically powerful but seems sloppy when it comes to using his angelic powers.
>>154163524An angel is not stronger than an overlord. Where did you get that information?
>>154163532That issue mostly comes from Viv being retarded and focusing on dumb crap like Vox/Alastor backstory instead of making some of the Eden stuff clearer.
>>154163567No. It's the fandom that's kind of even more retarded. Eve and Roo aren't the same person. But people think that Eve is this evil eldrich abomination
I hope that he gets redeemed.
>>154163524Yup. People that didn't watch Helluva boss had no idea there was a difference between hellborn and sinners. Probably doesn't help that they usually look alike. Viv really sucks when it comes to what she priorities showing and explaining on screen.
>>154163607He's not Adam adjacent so I don't care what he does.
>>154163607He will save the day
>>154163607I hope he dies of super AIDS
>>154163648That's how he got to Hell in the first place
>>154153444Never understimate how retarded the fat slugwoman can be
>>154163588Still think that's a Viv issue. If she didn't fuck around with barely relevant losers like Vox and Alastor we could have gotten much faster to explaining the actual important bits. We had an entire season dedicated to these two bumbling around like morons. Very little of value was gained.
>>154163685I hope he dies again for real this time. Painfully.
Adam adjacent characters and plots > Charlie adjacent > Vees adjacent >>>> Alastor adjacent
>>154163723Correct
>>154163524I think exorcists, Lute included, are created and don’t count as human souls
>>154163687Be quiet Matpat, you bring the same screenshot as if though it's some sort of gotcha. It's not. You can't even confirm half of this shit.
>>154163434Because Lilith could’ve gotten a power boost by the deal she had with Eve
>>154163745The only issue is Viv deciding to still have Vaggie be a Latina without any explanation.
Will he be the S3 main villain?
>>154163761But why would she get a power boost from Eve if Lilith is more powerful? Why are you assuming Eve is infinitely more powerful than she is? Because she ate the fruit? So did Adam and Lilith
>>154163456Wow. She doesn’t look like Eve at all.
>>154163550An overlord is still weaker than almost everything else in hell, the pride ring is the weakest ring in vivs hell mythology. It'd be entirely in line with show lore for I.M.P. to solo the Vs on the order of an annoyed demon. It'd be a calvicade of fuckups doing it but they would win.
>>154163779Okay so that's just you assuming things.
>>154163775Lilith is definitely not more powerful than Eve. That bitch was sent to hell without anything special at all. It was all on her angel boyfriend.And no. Lilith and Adam didn’t eat it the Roo apple.
>>154163757Funny enough Viv doesn't really seem to hate Adam that much nowadays. He's getting merch so maybe people liking him changed her opinion or Alex Brightman just cooked to hard. Either way MatPat is fucking wrong.
Don't bother. He has a hate boner for Eve or some shit like that. He's genuinely convinced that Eve is this master puppeteer, conflating Roo and Eve as one.
>>154163801>Headcanon Alert
>>154163811I give no fucks about Roo. She’s pretty much just a battery that will only get personhood in season 4.
>>154163801You're joking right.Someone please tell me this guy is joking.
>>154163802she's also liked positive adamsapple, guitarspear AND flowertunes art. if i based a character off a shitty ex just to mock him i'm not liking pictures of him in wholesome old man yaoi or wholesome het.
>>154163821.... Yeah you definitely have Eve and Roo mixed the hell up. One is a human, the other one is literally the embodiment of evil itself. You are on shrooms friend.
>>154163821>Headcanon Alert
>>154163828This is an unfounded rumor by the way. Amazon or a24 asked her to make Adam more into a rockstar. She confirms this in the Blu-ray commentary. Legit the based off of the ex-boyfriend rumor is completely unfounded. That screenshot? That's the source of this rumor.
Shitty edit I stole
>>154163855oh i 100% agree, i'm just adding more reasons why it's dumb.
>>154163839I know who they are.It’s just with Eve I would think of her and Lilith as witches and Roo being the power source of their magics. And Eve would be the core person to arrange a covenant between yourself and Roo.If Eve and Lilith are aware of this or not is the real question that I currently don’t give a damn about.
>>154163947Ok
Why is anyone even attempting to make educated guesses about or theorycraft a fucking written by Vivziepop show. Both HH and HB have a flagrant disregard for any consistency and internal logic.Remember how it was stated that there are millions of souls in Pentagram City and how Lucy said Charlie was the first person in 10000 years to make a difference after they fought off the exorcists and then in season 2 it was revealed that actually exterminations only started 7 years ago and exorcists have only killed "thousands" of souls so they should not have made even an iota of a dent in hell's population at all given the previously stated census figures?
>>154163947You're not slick. Take your medicine.
>>154163791That's explicitly stated in other media she still fully owns the concepts to occuring in the same setting. Besides losing gay burb husband to Amazon, it'd also ruin the entire set stakes of the plot for stolas to go Omae wa mou shindeiru and every character that is not Charlie or Lucifer to instantly explode. So she's not showing that, but heaven is also stupidly underpowered if the exorcist army are angel angels. Lucifer not being able to harm sinners is entirely to avoid the lack of stakes of a fallen archangel who could turn anyone he wanted into a meat sockpuppet floating around. But those characters still exist in the setting.
>>154163961Holy run on sentence, Matpat. I told you, use chatGPT.
>>154163947>Headcanon Alert
You know. The original show was three seasons and expanded to be five. I wonder if the Roo reveal happened in season 2 and Emily is supposed to be the next chosen user of it for the original final third season.
>>154163985What
>>154163987That is the result of chatGPT
Guys, our local Adam fag schizo is going to lose it during season 3.
>Would you accept to give her your firstborn child?
No actual rebuttal I see.
>>154164031It Matpat is right, he will.
Anyway, yep. Lute is Eve. Her VA confirmed it. It's really obvious all things considered.
>>154163947Lol.
>>154164002Anon you can fit all of vivs Hellaverse lore on an index card, this isn't hard to keep track of. It does invalidate the shows stakes though that everyone in season 2 is too weak to matter. Contractually Amazon has partial to full control of any concept in hazbin hotel so she's kept things she wants to keep off screen while lore dumping contently in paired IP, but that's really becoming a problem when jobbers like the Vox are treated as a season big bad that could ever threaten the entirety of heaven from the bottom of hell.
>>154164290>Headcanon Alert
>>154164290Vox makes sense for an episode or two of conflict. A whole season is wasteful.
>>154164290Do you know what COMMAS and PERIODS are?
>>154164384>Flummoxed by compound sentences >Can't keep track of Vivian's hell mythos
>>154164410You actually think you know Viv's hell and proceed to make the most nonsensical theories about Eve, Lilith and Adam. Kkkk
>>154164359It'd have been fine as an allestor personal arc that old enemies gun for him after losing so hard and publicly in the finale. The vox having the power to stall the redemption narrative for an entire season was just not a good plan.
>>154163693No matpat. Viv's retardation is not the fandom's retardation. In fact, the fandom is so fucked, there's people like you who completely misinterpret the most basic shit.
>>154163381He legit can't even explain his own schizo theories.
>>154164531I'm not MatPat you tard. If you can't fucking recognise him you shouldn't bother calling people that. Leave the MatPat spotting to the professionals.
>>154164568Uh huh
>>154164049Well, I don't have children so I assume that means creampieing her, so yes.
>>154164593Yes
>>154164432>Everyone else's nonsensical theories >Is the Lilith Eve guy
>>154164596Sweet, gonna pound her so hard they'll feel it all the way down in Sloth.
>>154164622That’s not a theory. That’s a leak.
>>154164622I'm not the Lilith Eve. I'm one of the Lute Eve people. The person I was replying to is Lilith Eve guy. He still couldn't explain it.
>>154164644From 2021, from a concept artist who hates Viv. And no, it's not the same as the digital circus leaks. Those same leaks you love to depend on so much also said that Roo and Eve are not working together and that they're separate characters.
That's supposed employee wasn't even sure about all the shit she was saying. So it's not even a leak, it's hearsay secondhand information. It sounds like they were spitballing in the writer's room.
hallucination adam would look so much scarier if he didn't have a face at all and was just a blank mask.
>>154164650>Are exterminators redeemed humans or did Viv fuck up everything by accident if actual angels are weaker than sinners >Erm... Ahem, who said sinners are weak >Vivienne Medrano >(You) Are here If anything human exterminators is another point towards lute being eve and they're not strong enough to be angels.
Here's the thing: the only really feasible way I could see Eve being Lute working is if Lute no longer remembers who she was. Some kinda sleeper agent Jason Bourne or Total Recall deal.And when Lute remembers everything, and I mean Everything... that'll be it. That'll be what pushes her off the deep end into "You know what? FUCK HELL! FUCK HEAVEN AND FUCK ALL OF YOU!" Vox territory.And if you're kinda convinced that Adam apparition is the work of Roo... she may end up right into her hands.
>>154164747Wait a minute. I know who you are. No for fuck's sake. Enough with the amnesiac Lute Eve shit takes. They make no sense. The whole point is that she's driven by the fuck up she did in taking the fruit.
>>154164742Last I heard, Viv said that it actually makes no difference in the plot. Whether the Exorcist soldiers like Vaggie are human or not. However, she did more recently confirm that they are not descended from Adam, meaning they're probably not human souls.
>>154164747That’s exactly why it’s just cringe and nonsensical.At least with wifeswap, Eve and Lilith were fully aware of what they’re doing and who they are.
>>154164747Lute literally says she has endured. Jessica says she has trauma. Her not knowing who she is makes zero sense. What a shit argument. She's just Eve. That's literally it. She's Eve, she knows what she did, she's overcompensating. That's why she's a little psychopath. That's it. No clones, no amnesia, none of that shit.
>>154164784That confirmation happened because it would’ve prevented Lute and Adam from being incest.
>>154164830By that logic, Eve and Adam are incest.
>>154164815Why does she need to be Eve when she can easily be her own person?
>>154164809Ok, matpat.
>>154164848Because she literally is her own person. By your logic, Vaggi is not her own person because she used to be an exorcist soldier named Vaggie. Gasp, an identity swap!!
>>154164784Biblic language "descendants of Adam" or "no they're not his daughterwives" are two very different ways to take that statement. But it not mattering means it can't be central to this Roo Lilith master plan cope
>>154164869She went from Vaggie to Vaggie.Eve to Lute is a complete character warp.
>Why can't Lute be her own character??>Eve is Lilith in disguise is RooWhat
>>154164900How is it a character warp...... If we have no idea what Eve is like? What are you talking about? Also, nicknames are very much a thing. Vaggie from a bloodthirsty battle hungry angelic soldier to Vaggi, a sweetheart who manages a hotel. Whoa, big identity swap there huh?
>>154164905Literally no one on this board says Eve is Roo besides you.
>>154164916Okay. Let me fix it? >Why can't Lute be her own character??>Eve is Lilith in disguise.Again. I repeat. What.
>>154164915Because Lute is a military chick and even Vaggie still operates that way normally.Rosie and Lilith at least act like mothers that given birth before.
>>154164938You still don't know what Eve was like. Just because someone is a mom doesn't mean they are motherly.
>>154164938So military women can't be moms lol
>>154164980I personally want to see Lute go crazy over being a mom.
I think they're confusing with the fanon Eve btw
>>154164931>Rosie is Lilith>Lilith is Eve>Lute is Lute
>>154164998Lol
>>154164961You mean to tell me that the first mother has never gone>My baby. My little baby Cain. First kid. He is so cute and happy. What?
>>154165021Literally nobody knows. We haven't seen yet. That's you making assumptions.
>>154165021tf
>>154165026Okay. Let’s think the story in wifeswap.Eve is the first mother.Lilith badly wanted to be a mother and her desperations to get Charlie.Lute has never been a mother and closest things she raised as “children” are Exorcists.
Easy muchacho, first time commenting here lolOkay, say she's just Eve, and she knows, the question becomes... why go incognitas all this time? I mean, sure, I can understand wanting a fresh start -- being Eve in Heaven couldn't be easy -- and wanting to atone for unleashing sin into the world, but like... who else knew? Surely Sera must have, right? Did Adam know? Doubtful. No way Abel knew. Why would Eve keep it from her family?I mean, this is coming from a guy who actually does like the idea of Lute!Eve, but I just don't know if I trust Viv's writing to execute it properly, without it coming off as a twist for the sake of it.Cuz, alright, say it's revealed she's Eve... what then? I can see it changing her and Abel's relationship and them having to have some really difficult conversations about the past, but... what would the story then do with that information? Is she gonna team up with Roo to take revenge on Heaven and Hell? What's the plan?
>>154165068Where is your confirmation that Lilith could not have Charlie on her own? When did Viv say this. I don't really give two shits about her demonology. Viv is not doing a recreation of religion or demonology. Please provide a source.
>>154165072You're assuming it's concrete that nobody knows anything. Again, you're trying to complicate the Eve character more than it probably is.
>>154165078Because Lilith has been barren for thousands of years when her purpose is to breed. It’s kinda obvious.
>>154165114Where did Viv say this for her characterization of Lilith. I need a source.
in some versions of the genesis story adam is initially created with both sets of genitalia which then splits off to form eve, therefore we must consider the possibility that adam is also eve. that's why he suddenly disappeared from the storybook for eve's section (lilith and lucifer didn't know).
>>154164998>And you are retarded
>>154165087Anon, Lute couldn’t even admit her fee fees to Adam because she was all up being a professional and stoic soldier.
>>154165072Why are you assuming that nobody knows who she is? Clearly Sera and Lute acts strange. She definitely knows. Abel and Lute's dynamic is also pretty strange, he definitely knows. Adam is 50/50. Also, according to the old leaks, if they're to be trusted, yeah, that's exactly what's going to happen. In fact, I would not be surprised if her hallucinations are Roo.
>>154164986She would be one scary mom. Adam always seemed the chiller of the pair. He's probably the type to leave disciplining to her.
>>154165140You're assuming that she was talking about her feelings to the hallucination. That's cute.
>>154165021>Headcanon Alert
>>154165072>Cuz, alright, say it's revealed she's Eve... what then?What do you mean 'what then'? Do you seriously think Lute has nothing to offer after that? Perhaps you should watch Jessica's and Viv's interviews?
>>154165114I'd be funny if the issue is actually Lucifer being infertile.
>>154165117It doesn’t need to be stated when the only kid Lilith has is pretty much in existence because of Roo magic voodoo.
>how could lute be a mom >Is vivs evil mom stereotype towards Abel >Would mean nothing if lute was just a crazy bitch and that isn't every empowering.
>>154165021..... Please don't tell me this is a weird fetish thing. What does Cain have to do with any of this? I'm so confused by this comment.
>>154165189I thought it was agreed upon that Lucifer is the one that gave birth.
>>154165190Nope. Again, that's you making an assumption. I need your sources please. Oh wait! You don't have any because that's never been established. Right, right.
>>154165216It's MatPat. He's in someway gonna tie it in with Cain who he believes is Zestial(he's not). At this point he might be reaching his full retard potential.
>>154165216Cain is the first baby Adam and Eve ever made.
>>154165250lk I wonder what's going to happen when his theory goes to shit negl
Given that Vive is going for a queen, girl power, independent need no man woman, it's actually more likely that Lilith didn't want kids. People who confidently say she's barren are basing it off of her many canons. Viv has never confirmed that Lilith can't have children. If we're going by that logic, then she eats babies, which of course is retarded.
>>154165233Exactly. The only way for him to properly conceive was for him to be pregnant. The process was probably to complex to happen naturally. He needed to fuse the DNA in a controlled environment to create the embryo and then implant it inside himself. Because of his angelic powers and powerful shapeshifing capabilities he was capable of creating the perfect environment for Charlie's development.
>>154165190>Roo>Exists >B...b...but the deviantart! It would be such a massive asspull for a voodoo something to show up 3+ seasons into a series as the secret to everything. No mechanical part of the plot about roo actually needs Roo to happen
>>154165261Maybe he will rope himself.
Hold on a sec. So the Cain Zestial person believes Eve is the ultimate Evil and wants to harm Adam and Abel. Eve who in the Bible is submissive. But they have a hard time believing Lilith would be abusive to Charlie and Lucifer. When in her traditions, she rapes men, rapes Adam, and eats babies?Am I getting that right?
>>154165273She eats baby legs in cannibal town
>>154165336There are no children in hell. This was already confirmed.
>>154165334You’re looking at Hazbin Eve the wrong way. She’s insanely spiteful and hateful and will be aware of how Heaven wanted to design her and be pissed at them, and how Lucifer used her and be pissed st him.
>>154165334I think he likes to switch the concepts around for some reason. He's not a really good religious nut, honestly. His lore is all fucked up. I think he also believes that Eden is in Heaven.
>>154165374But they’re in cannibal town.
>>154165301canon mpreg but only within in a heterosexual relationship. between this and getting people to draw straight pride fanart, vivzie i underestimated your fandom trolling capabilities. i kneel.
>>154165385Can you point me which interview Viv said that? Because we don't know what she's like. Can you please provide where this was confirmed? Thank you!
>>154165385>wrong wayWhen did Viv confirm there was a wrong and right way? I assume since you're saying this so confidently, you have hard confirmation, right?
>>154165399Okay. There are no children in Hell period. They've confirmed that.
>>154165410Your severe dependences on interviews is why you think there are no kids in hell when they’re in cannibal town.A huge point of interviews is just about gathering attention and maybe reveal something true or lie about it to keep the audience’s immersion on the show.
>>154165385What
>>154165385>Headcanon Alert
>>154165450This was not in an interview. This was in a patreon thing. Also, even if it was an interview by Viv, she's the creator. So yes, whatever she says would be canon.
>>154165451Yes. That’s what the leaker said about Eve. She’s especially mad about being blamed for the apple and wants to kill Heaven over it. Like a total maniac.
