Before you reveal my spoiler:https://www.wco.tv/the-amazing-digital-circus-the-last-actI'm sorry but this shit is fucking gay:>These are not sentient humans, they're ai copies of humans, meaning anything that happened in the story is invalidated>the personal struggles and character development are pissed away because none of what took place is real, only the lives of the people in the real world mattered but it was only talked about to give them assurances>Jax is just an asshole because he is an asshole>His trauma is a nothingburger and he killed and psychologically tormented other people for no reason>He had no redemption despite being one of the most mysterious and layered characters in the series>Zooble never confronted and overcame her dysmorphia>Gangle did not resolve to be better and more whole of a person>Kinger never reconnected with his wifeThey all just resolved to live in their own personal heaven together and accept that their real counterparts were out their living their lives. It means the story and the trials of the characters were all for naught and to me that's the worst kind of ending imaginable. How the fuck am I supposed to empathize with the characters if they're not even human?
>>154168616>How the fuck am I supposed to empathize with the characters if they're not even human?>Noooo! They have to be just like me for me to empathize with them!Literal NPC behavior
>>154168629They're ai.
>>154168616so they're fictitious in a fictional worldso one layer is fine, but two layers isnt?
>>154168616Them being engramic copies of real people was pretty fucking obvious from the start, you stupid fag. What, did you think Kingers body was just withering away next to a computer for decades? If they actually were real humans trapped with VR headsets on that would have made zero fucking sense. Also them being sapient AI constructs trapped in an inescapable digital prison is what made the story tragic, because they didn't ask to be created but were thrust into a nightmare scenario because of shit technology. >>154168654So was Wall-E and Eve, you dumb fuck. What does them being AI in a fiction story matter? They're still characters, still people experience shit in a story.
>>154168616All of that does matter and is real. Being copies doesn't invalidate anything. Jax suffers because of the guilt he feels from what he did in real life.
>>154168629People like OP are the reason retarded sociopath corpos think they have to make everything humanoid because "humans can only empathize with things that are human". OP is a faggot, and the reason we can't have nice things.
>>154168654They're unironically more human than OP
>>154168706>>154168793>>154168825>>154168854The characters never overcame their struggles, they just accepted their circumstances.
>>154168616>Zooble never confronted and overcame her dysmorphiathat happened like 3 episodes ago
>>154168616Doesn't anyone else find it funny how this is the only non-premium movie on w/co/?
>>154168793>If they actually were real humans trapped with VR headsets on that would have made zero fucking senseThat would make sense because that would mean the stakes were higher. since they are scanned Ai NPC's there are no stakes. Everything in arbitrary and Cain and literally bring them back with a snap of his fingers since he has copies of them. >He can make Jax not abstract any more.>Bring back Kinger's wife>Bring back Kuafmo>Bring back Scratch>Bring back RibbitNothing is explained in the final act. All we got as troon therapy slop.
>>154168875They overcame their struggles by accepting their circumstances. That's the fucking point.
>>154168892>I love it when the film tells me to give up! Fixed.
>>154168793>What, did you think Kingers body was just withering away next to a computer for decades?The passage of time could have been different or maybe the headset keeps you alive for long periods of time.
>>154168793>>154168892
>>154168793>he sympathized with walle and the fatassesNigga that's a cartoon character made by an evil megacorporation. Grow the fuck up
>>154168891>That would make sense because that would mean the stakes were higherWhat you just said made no sens, dummy. Basically all you said was >It would make sense because I like it so it would make sense to me and that's all that mattersThere is no logical way for the characters in the Amazing Digital Circus to have been real humans, and them not being real humans doesn't change the fact that watching AIs trapped in computer program is a novel sci-fi concept.
>>154168892THAT'S FUCKING GAY, they all have deep rooted personal issues they needed to deal with.
>>154168891The copies have to accept that they aren’t the original.A copy of the copy would be magnified.
>>154168932>sociopathic faggot with no joy or whimsy tells people that "ITS A CARTOON" on the CARTOON boardDamn, the Asperger's must be rough.
>>154168935>I want a film with zero stakes and more therapy about troons!
>>154168931People who are obsessed with trannies and bring them up every single fucking day are tiresome faggots. Just admit you have no argument and are just spazzing out for no reason
>>154168972>>154168891>>154168922This.
>>154168944>Can stops pomni from being abstracted with the snap of his fingers in the first episode and in the final act.Once again he can bring them all back.
>>154168972Not every story needs "stakes", retard. Stories don't just exist for spectacle. They can be entirely character focus.
>>154168854I feel like OP had a fine enough point but explicitly saying "How the fuck am I supposed to empathize with the characters if they're not even human?" feels like it was meant to sound retarded and bait. People have resonated with all sorts of things from animals, to personified objectss, to anything esoteric. He was touching on an understandable reason to not feel like anything mattered but then ironically invalidated his own points by saying this shit right at the end.
>>154168991Yeah, but he doesn't, because he was a malfunction stupid A.I bound by his programming. "Could" doesn't matter.
>>154168960>sociopathicad hominess? i don't feel bad for literal drawings bro>faggotyour mom says otherwise>no joy or whimsyi don't feel either of those watching cartoons made by globohomo>cartoon boardI respect animation for the effort put into production and not the stupid whiny melodrama. Sorry you didn't get the memo, maybe once you spontaneously grow a couple more chromosomes (keep wishing bozo) you might realize that there is more to animation than soap opera slop
>>154168976>People who are obsessed with tranniesNot an obsession when they start affecting policies. Just imagine NAMBLA effecting policies and dipshit like you say "People who are obsessed with NAMBLA!"
>>154168991He can bring them back from abstraction based on what
>>154168922Not ever story needs to be optimistic or have happy Marvel-tier happy endings where every is fine with zero explanation, faggot
>>154168875>The characters never overcame their struggles, they just accepted their circumstances.Their circumstances was only bad because of Caine, who they helped become a good person, so now the circus is a proper heaven for them all.Jax was a special case because he had the worst mentality. If he didn't give up immediately he might have become happy as well.
>>154169029When screaming about troons is your only argument, you sound like a delusion troon.
>>154168997>They can be entirely character focus.those stories are shit. That why they don't rake in the money. WAH WAH!
>>154169023Nice seething, faggot
>>154168706If they are digital copies of real people and these digital copies go through a character arc that lets them come to terms with their internal struggles, that means the real people are still suffering from the same issues. So yes, it's all fictional and no one is learning anything anyway so why does it matter, but it's very unsatisfying from a narrative perspective. That means overcoming any struggles doesn't ultimately matter because they cannot take that newfound perspective with them and apply them in the world that matters, they can only take it in a world that they themselves acknowledge is fake.
>>154169005No I didn't. Because as others have stated there is no true risk or development that can be had among the characters. They are not only effectively immortal, they live in a personal heaven. Any of the traumas they've suffered don't mean anything because they aren't real.I can't empathize with them because they're a simulation of humans, whatever obstacles their counterparts in real life overcame off-screen mattered, but the series isn't about them it's about these copies of them.
>>154169050>you sound like a delusion troon.Yikes! Somebody failed pre-school.
>>154169066How does IRL Earth matter more when they’re stuck in the circus?IRL Earth would be their escapism, like how IRL people use stories as a form of escapism.
>>154169153I'm not that guy:Because the entire series is about them trying to find a way out of the prison. They're portrayed as real people with real lives and real hardships to empathize with and they wanted to escape the circus to overcome those issues.But they didn't, they just laid down and accepted it.
>>154169153Because you're telling me there are two versions of the same character existing and one gets to overcome their problems and the other doesn't. If these are 1:1 copies, then there is a version of the characters we like still experiencing inner turmoil, and again, from a narrative perspective that is unsatisfying for the audience. It would be like if in "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" if he just made copies of the humans to torture and let the real ones go exist in the wilderness and scavenge for food. It would have less impact despite the whole story being fictional regardless.
>>154169189>>154169194Oh, I can see the validity of the perspective now.
I had no idea up until now that the writer of the show is a tranny.
>>154168976Gen z and gen alpha are permanently fucked up by discord grooming and fake gender politics lmaoZero recovery, hope you niggas are still confused at 52
>>154169780>gen alphaAlso the fact it's been reported that gen alpha is going to become illiterate due to not teaching phonics. Makes it more easier to indoctrinate the younger generation.
brain scan =/= AIjesus man i'm pissed too but are you really this dense?
>>154170161It's a brain scan that converts someone into an ai character with their memories making them immortal. It was created because Scratch was dying.
TOME did it better.
>>154168616Shut up - normies across general public clearly loved it.
>>154168616SOMA theory but with all the best parts cut off. I think the SOA theory would have been more thematically okay for the story they want to tell
>>154168616>cartoon is about accepting reality>autist can’t connect to the themes because it’s not “real” enoughIrony.
>>154168616So it’s like Netflix’s The Hollow?
>>154168793I'm fine with them being AI copies of real people as a base concept, the problem is they did fuck all with any of it until the last minute or really explore that concept at all. So much of this show was spent wasting on pointless bullshit that the actual meat of the story ended up atrophied.
>>154168616Based. Fuck clankers and any narrative thst attempts to humanize them.
>>154168997>They can be entirely character focus.It fails on that front spectacularly too because outside of Pomni and Jax none of them really have any sort of real arc and the final episode pretty much ruined Jax as a character with his woe is me bullshit and essentially suicide.
>>154172966I only watched the first season and barely remember any of it. But, probably. >Dude, what if we uploaded our minds to like, a computer!>Whoa, but what if it were like, a vibeo game!!1!Have been a cyberpunk staple plots for going on half a century now, arguably longer. So it should be no surprise that some of the stories are gonna look similar. Even if there are a limited amount of them that are cartoons specifically. TADC is shaping up to be a lot more memorable than The Hollow, though. Even if it could just be the fandom carrying it.
>>154172194>cartoon is about accepting reality>it's made by a troon who ignores reality
>>154168629I do not care for anyone who is not an extension of myself. I am the only one who matters.
>>154174642They sure do know a thing or two about living rent free in your head tho
>>154170161>brain scan =/= AIA brain scan itself isn't an independent entity or consciousness at all. It's just information.Something has to be imprinted with that Information in order to make it 'someone' again.That's a plot point in SOMA. The protagonist's memory and personality is a brain scan that existed way before AI did, and it wasn't applied to an AI until after civilization had fallen.
Reminder this is literally what bird brains like OP wanted to happen: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/ke3NLAMUEs0?ra=mNow OP is mad because he realized he could have been spending that time watching Baby Shark and Cocomelon and Spider-man Elsa instead, and is conflating the actually bad tranny shit with the only good aspect of the finale to feel better about his inability to handle a slightly more complicated story other than “and they all lived happily ever after!”
>>154173193Stfu
>>154174758Bots need not apply.
>>154174782Ok, performative fag
>>154174755Don't post that shit even if you're only using it to project, thanks.
>>154170272>>154174746The Circus cast are consistently referred to as “humans” by Caine and Bubble, and specifically distinguished from Caine, Bubble and the NPCs. Even after the brain scan reveal Caine still refers to them as “humans.” Whatever the mechanics of how the brain scan files came to be sentient and interact in the Circus, it has been consistently distinguished from programmed AI like Caine or NPCs that Caine makes like Gumigoo.Mental gymnastics, your poor understanding of how computers work, and referencing other fictional works will not change the fact that they are not AI.
>>154174807Sure thing
>>154174807Someone’s cranky, time for Bluey and a juice box!
>>154174820That's how SOMA spins it too.Brain scans which are applied to AI are still referred to as human and are considered to be the survivors of humanity as a species.
>>154174843Ok, cool, that’s SOMA, not TADC. We know nothing about how TADC’s brain scanning works. It could be “just” information like memories that needs some kind of cognitive layer underneath it, or it could also contain the actual cognitive patterns of people that can be run like algorithms to emulate their behavior. We don’t know, so applying the rules of another piece of fiction, even if it’s related, doesn’t really matter. What we do know is that in TADC, the humans are specifically grouped away from AI. The circus cast are not AI, either by conventional general definition or the show’s definition. Part of why I’m being pedantic is because several theories have been proposed where one, some, or all of the cast are AI as in NPCs like Gumigoo, which was always a stupid theory and debunked by the VA cast every time it was brought up.
>>154169189But that's the point, they can't escape the circus. What did you expect them to do?>>154169194Why is this a problem that there are two versions of a character? Do you shit your pants and stop caring about the whole setting when there is a multiverse, mirror universe or even a clone plot? Beside they're not 1:1 copies anymore since they spent so much time experiencing different things.
>>154168616>Jax is just an asshole because he is an assholeThis was based and the problem was not leaning into it more, making him a douche with no tragedy would've been a breath of fresh air
>>154174944>Ok, cool, that’s SOMA, not TADC.I'm saying how they are similar, I don't think you're understanding my point.Something can simultaneously be human and artificial, that's part of the point of transhumanism in fiction like this. The idea that something natural has an inherent value over an exact artificial equivalent is purely tied to human sentimentality. I believe TADC tries to express this too, really hammering it home with the viewing of each character's real world counterparts. These weren't gods or legends or something above the characters, they were equals.Now it's very hard to sell this idea to people right now, with AI being such a controversial topic. But that's incidental from a fictional perspective.
>>154174944>cognitive patterns of people that can be run like algorithms to emulate their behaviorSome kind of... artificial intelligence?
>>154171408Is that what tome was about?
>>154175210Those are all good points and thematically relevant to the show (what is existence, simulacra and simulation vs reality, etc) but that’s moving the goalposts.The show tells us they are brain scans. The show tells us brain scan “entities” are a different category than the AI characters like Caine, Bubble and the NPCs. Ergo, brain scans are not AI>>154175254>every recursive independently running algorithm is “AI”This nigga would claim my Excel formulas are an AI and be deadass about it, LMAO
>>154168616so it's the anti-Teacher's Pet Movie?
>>154169194>It would be like if in "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" if he just made copies of the humans to torture and let the real ones go exist in the wilderness and scavenge for food.It's more like if he made copies to torture and let the real ones go before the story even started. We never met the originals. The copies were the only ones we, as the audience, ever interacted with. Why would we care less just because there's another version of them we never saw somewhere else?
>>154175254This.>>154175401>The show tells us they are brain scans. The show tells us brain scan “entities” are a different category than the AI characters like Caine, Bubble and the NPCs. Ergo, brain scans are not AIIt doesn't mean they're not AI, it means that they're a different category of AI. AI designed to simulate the thoughts and behavior of a specific human being vs. more inhuman AI created for grunt work.>This nigga would claim my Excel formulas are an AI and be deadass about it, LMAODo those spreadsheets talk and perform complex decision making to simulate the illusion of a thinking human being?
>>154172194The “reality” trans people care about is social reality: “oh no! I upset a girl, therefore my masculinity is a problem! Everyone would be happier without it!”I prefer actual reality: “a girl is upset, I have no clue why, she should either learn to express herself better or leave me be. My true friends would understand me without all this dysfunction.”
>>154168616>Zooble never confronted and overcame her dysmorphia>Gangle did not resolve to be better and more whole of a personWATCHTHE FUCKINGSHOWSYOUCRITICIZEOH MY GOD I FEEL LIKE I'M BACK ON /V/FUCKING NIGGER
>>154177355His choice of wording raises an interesting point about Gangle, for me. I’m not sure if I’d say her getting into a relationship with Zooble to replave her abusive relationship with Jax leaves her a more “whole” person.
>>154168976/thread
>>154168931You reap what you sow.
>>154168616Imagine if Jax ripped a fucking fat ass fart in Pomni's face at that moment. That would be comedy gold!
>>154178821Thank god i wasnt the only one thinking it.
>>154168616Youtubers are going to save cinema? Am I right?
