Child Abuse Edition
Non-consensual sex with Charlie
>>154168916It’s absurd this fanbase focuses on Adam and Lute over literally anyone else.
>>154168958You can go on twitter if that's more your speed
>>154168958They're just that based I guess *shrugs*
>>154169057I think it says a lot by how important they are.People doing their own takes of this show’s concept normally leave them out. It just makes their work feel empty and gay.
>>154168958It's really just these threads.
>>154168958Because they're the only interesting characters. The deer, the TV man and the wannabe Satan twink are all boring as fuck
What's with Lute and Alastor's fuckass bob.
>>154169603Lute’s haircut is good.Alastor’s haircut is a curse.
>>154169603>LuteBetter for a warrior to keep her hair short. Cuts it herself.>AlastorIs a just a fuckass.
>Alastor tries to shave his head bald to escape the bob>The thing grows back under 10 seconds
>>154168958They're cute.
>>154168958Adam and Lute have the show's biggest and most dramatic straight love story and /co/ would be the audience most interested in that therefore /co/ talks about them a lot. 4chan users are not above shipfagging in any way but they want ships they can relate to.
>>1541705824chan relates to Lute because she's autistic as fuck
>>154168916I don't know why some much of the fandom, or at least that which I encounter on twitter, is against her being evil, or at least a bit of a bitch towards Charlie.>>154170714When I realised she's a femcel sperg, I finally got why so many of *those* types of fans loved her and self-inserted as her for shipping with Adam (if they're straight) or Emily (if they're not).
>>154168958It is just a couple of autistic shitters. The good off season threads are in Helluva Boss.
>>154168939Consensual sex with Charlie means it can happen more than once without increasing the risk of jail time.
>>154168958I think because they feel most different from everybody else in the show. Adam is really distinct when you compare him to the sea of Tumblr sexymen who occasionally act baby uwu and Lute is a breath of fresh who stands apart against the rest of the samey and pretty disappointing female cast. The two manage to create a combo of uniqueness in a sea of repetition.
>>154170871More so death. No one is strong enough to rape her, she would kill them first.
>>154170859Most of those are waifu thread where people post characters they wanna fuck. Let's not delude ourselves here.
>>154170878She could end up drugged. I'm pretty sure they have rape drugs in Hell.
>>154170878Unless she has a rape fetish, at which point it's all you play-acting on her part.
>>154170847Mother of the year
>>154170871>>154170893Let's be honest. She's the one probably doing the raping. Like mother like daughter and all that.
>>154170906...with demon futa penis, or gorilla grip demon vagina?
>>154170906>>>154170859Indeed. >>154168958As a "Pilotfag" I really don't care about them, personally.
>>154170899>Charlie's mom is a zoomer bitch
>>154170928Gorilla grip demon vagina. The goal is to produce more halfbreed children.
>>154170939Wouldn't they be quater-breed?
>>154170947Yes you are correct.
>>154168916Hooooold up. Are you implying that Lilith is actually... a bad mom?
>>154171065I hope so. Let the Eve/Lilith shit die. Tired of hearing 'When Lilith acted neglectful, it's because it was Eve!' Naw bitch, it's all Lilith baby.
Lilith should beat Charlie up like Homelander did with Ryan
>>154171065Yes. Let's be honest she probably sucked and Charlie/Lucifer were too retarded to notice.
>>154168958>this fanbase/co/?
>>154171160I WANT to believe this, because I'd love an interesting story like this, but I don't know if Viv would actually go for that? The backlash would be insane.BUT then again, she actually made Adam straight so...?She's also trying to make radiapple a thing, right?
I had this idea of some guy trying to rape Charlie and failing because Charlie is like an immovable stone and the whole scene is him awkwardly trying to make her budge.
>>154171172I can see Viv making Lilith a bitch even unintentionally because she has zero self control and is surrounded by yes men who think alike. Remember how she promised Helluva boss was the male focused show and Hazbin the female one. Well S2 definitely shat on that idea when all we got was Vox and Alastor action. Remember how she said she wanted to write a "healthy lesbian" relationship with Chaggie. Not amazing results. If she has Radioapple brain rot she is going to turn Lilith into a massive bitch. Viv saying she's gonna do something doesn't matter much because she always falls back to her comfort elements and tropes.
We won't be getting season3 until next year, aren't we?
>>154171303Hazbin will pull a Helluva Boss and make the show oriented to Lucifer and him getting over Lilith and hooking up with Alastor, while everything else takes a backseat.
>>154171311Exactly. Lilith getting the Stella treatment is more plausible at this point then her being a good mom.
You guys got any sexy Mimzy for a starving man?
MILF Lilith
>>154168958>only compelling romance in show>only characters whose flaws aren't glossed over>all-around best characters in anything viv's written by miles>and they're funnyGee I wonder why
>>154171691
>>154171073it would be so funny if lilith being neglectful and cold really was lilith, but all of charlie's memories of 'lilith' when she was the kind and loving mother that she's desperately trying to get back were actually of eve. that's the only reason i'd ever support the wifeswap theory. >>154171751>also some of the best singing voices and songs. gravity in particular was absolutely absurdly hype.
>>154170932>>154170906>>154170893Besides angel and niffty, Charlie is the most pornable of the hazbin characters
>>154172121adam is pornable too
>>154168958>Schizophrenic bible thumper character inspires walls of text from bible thumping schizophrenicsWell, it's fitting. At least it's more interesting than typical waifufags.
She is going to turn out to be literal bone and blood from Adam's body, just saying.
>>154172103I really like gravity. Probably because it usually the style of music I listen to most often.
>>154172230Lute and Adam are never depicted as mentally ill bible thumpers (well, Lute is certainly mentally ill probably also Adam desu.)
>>154172103Even funnier if that was the case and we learned that Eve was doing the bare minimum when it came to taking care of Charlie. Except Eve's bare minimum was such a fucking improvement over Lilith absentee neglect it felt colossal in comparison.
>>154172183Some women like big men.
>>154172308Sounds very cute.
>>154172308I'm certain she's made from part of him, whether or not she's THE Eve. She looks too much like him and we know she's not his child.
>>154168916Well, biblically it makes sense, after all it's impossible for Charlie to be Lilith's biological daughter.
>>154168958Just the retards on co.
>>154172793There are fans in other places.
>>154172484>eve in full 'kid #70' mode, not even looking directly at charlie: sweetie that's a lovely picture, i'll put it on the fridge>charlie: -starry eyed- she knew i was there...>'adam could do a perfect willendorf braid with his eyes closed for our daughters but lucifer doesn't even know what pigtails are LORD give me STRENGTH'
>>154172531"i mean, he's got another rib..."
>>154172531>>154172918I'm not sure about that. Would Adam even have a stable skeleton at this point if they kept extracting ribs to make him wifes?
>>154172947that's why adam's torso is shaped like that, the only bones he has left are his spine and breedable pelvis.
>>154173042>breedable pelvis.Pretty sure that one got broken by Eve. It's literally just fragments and bone dust now.
>>154173096adam's got a kintsugi crotch and lute loves his wabi-sabi.
Was it technically mpreg when Eve was made out of Adam?
>>154174223nah more like bone-based IVF. technically adam/eve is the original self-cest.
>>154172531Her appearance reminds me of Lilith.
>>154174469She has Adam's eyes and nose. She looks a little like Lilith too which would make sense if she were Eve since she was a replacement for Lilith.
>>154168958True. We should focus on Adam piping Abel daily.
>>154169658>Shaves it all off.>It fades back in on the animation layer.
>>154170871>>154170878>>154170893>>154170906>>154170932>That look she gives you when Vaggie isn't around.
>>154174534The closest thing we have to an official Eve appearance is the silhouette shaped by her hair and body. Lute’s hair doesn’t seem appropriate for it because of that bump sticking out of her head.
I'm pretty sure Lute is Eve. Jessica Vosk made an oopsie and had to delete it. People forget that the story is completely biased. I would not be surprised if that's not what Eve even looks like. Though her appearance there doesn't matter anyway. Everyone automatically thinks Eve *must* look like a Lilith twin, because of some old ass leaks.
>>154174534Given that Eve is traditionally made from Adam's bone, I would expect her to look more like Adam, actually. Unless Eve was not made from him at all, and instead made from the same dust Lilith and Adam were, then sure, she could look like Lilith. But it makes more sense for her to look less like Lilith.
>>154172121Everyone is pornable if you try hard enough...
>>154172531Her va literally the endorsed the theory and then even acknowledge that her tweet had to be deleted. Meaning, NDA violation. But people are sleeping on it because they want the whole Lilith Eve. Rosie thing to happen.
What if when we meet Cain he's a twinky looking guy who looks an awful lot like Lute and is voiced by Gerard Way
>>154172103>it would be so funny if lilith being neglectful and cold really was lilith, but all of charlie's memories of 'lilith' when she was the kind and loving mother that she's desperately trying to get back were actually of eve. that's the only reason i'd ever support the wifeswap theory.Just remove wifeswap all together. It makes no sense for Lucifer to not have caught on to that. Either they switched recently, or they switched all the way back starting on Earth. It makes no sense either way.
>>154174924>Cain he's a twinky looking guy who looks an awful lot like Lute and is voiced by Gerard WayWait, that would actually be so lit.
>>154174920Yeah right.We are used to VAs pointing to theories and non-theories and them being complete nothing burgers.
>>154171303Well, Viv does have mom issues apparently. So.. I wouldn't be surprised if all the moms on this show are bad. Lilith, comparatively, might be "better" in that she's not abusing Charlie or at least doesn't mean for her actions to come across maliciously. That's just how she is? I hope they go more that route. People are so allergic to the prospect of Lilith just being a distant mother that whenever she doesn't match the family portraits 1x1, it's because it's the shapeshifter Eve who's holding her hostage (???)
>>154174972Right, like Amir. Let's totally ignore Blake. Jeremy, etc lol But go off I guess.
>>154171335I don't know if she'll be a Stella? I think she'll be a Stella 2.0 or how people think she should have been written instead? That's about as good Viv will make a mom character on her show.
>>154174960Bonus points if the exorcists' emo uniforms and Jack Skellington smiles are based on his sinner form.
>>154174996I wouldn’t think Wifeswap would happen if Lilith herself wasn’t involved with it. And I guess she made a contract that could allow Eve to kill her at any time.So when Lilith does break the contract or Eve is cornered to a bad position, Eve’s final fuck you to the Mourningstars is killing Lilith.
>>154172308Viv's Eve, assuming she's a Lilith #2, is probably going to be made from dust/clay/whatever Adam and Lilith were. Meanwhile Lute, who is believed to be hellborn, is going to be the one made from his rib. Probably.
>>154174891Hope they still go for the rib thing. It's feels like such a unique element of Eve's origin that skipping it would be a disgrace.
>>154175080No idea why Eve is thought to be this evil entity Eldritch horror in this fandom when we have nothing to suggest that. The fuck kind of deal are you going on about. So she made a deal with Eve and Heaven? Ok.
>>154175090Have you watched Viv's shows? Look at Peter. Hell, she said that she's not comfortable depicting God directly. That's why we have the speaker of God. Her Eve not being made from Adam's bone would not be surprising.
>>154174924>>154174960This is Hazbin so Cain is obviously going to be a twink or maybe twunk if Viv is feeling particularly spicy.
>>154175136She was specifically asked on the idea of pop punk groups voicing Adam's other kids, and she didn't say no. She also indirectly confirmed that we are going to see more of them, but that she couldn't say.
>>154175128Yeah I know but it still sucks.
>>154175105Because the Liliths in the shadows look like Eden Eve and she’s made to look evil and extremely creepy. Just look at the card she gotten in the season 1.
>>154175181They resemble her veryyyyyyy vaguely? That's just Lilith. That's like saying that the Roo entity and Eve's figure look identical. They don't. Also, Lilith has sported many hairstyles in the pilot. The bangs? That's one of them. It would not be surprising if Lilith drew herself in the book twice actually.
Charlie's VA said that the only thing she has ever wanted growing up was her mother's love and affection, and that she'll even regress in season 3 because of Lilith. ....lol And people still really want that to be Eve. Because no way Lilith is a bad mom, right?
>>154175105My biggest gripe with wife swap ( if we ignore how stupid and contrived it is) comes from the fact it's "wife swap" and not "replacement". Why wouldn't Eve just permanently kill Lilith. If it was a Kenjaku deal and Lilith was dead for a long time while Eve used her corpse as a literal flesh puppet it would be more believable than her accepting any deal that leaves her alive. That so incredibly sloppy because its obvious she's gonna be undermining the plan if left alive. If Lilith was dead and Rosie was just some sinner cannibal loyalist the "replacement plot" would actually work well.
>>154175217Lilith only had two different hair styles in the pilot and one of them was a background piece of her rebellion. Something people aren’t supposed to notice.
>>154175217Lilith having an ego so big she had to insert herself twice is very fitting. Weaseling out of portraying Eve because she's salty about being upstaged.
Hairstyle is one of the most mutable aspects of any person. I can't believe there are arguments that Lilith and Eve swapped places based on a negligibly different hairstyle.
>>154175282Several variations of this theory have been explained to me, but they all seem like crap. In one of them, apparently Eve and Lilith switched all the way back since they're Eden/Earth days, meaning Lucifer shagged Eve, Charlie is their child but she goes by Lilith because... reasons? Another one I've been told is that the switch only happened within the last 7 years, which is how neither Charlie or Lucifer have caught on. Though this one relies on something about the necklace and Eve holding Lilith hostage within the necklace? But they can never answer where and why. Eve is so vastly powerful except by either saying she's Roo or she's using Roo's power because she bit the apple.. completely ignoring that both Adam has also eaten the apple. In Lilith, in her other depictions, also ate the apple... So? Though, one of the more popular variations is that Lilith and Eve both made an equal exchange of some kind and they would switch from time to time, for some reason, where Lilith could do her thing, Eve could do hers and that they were both effectively raising Charlie.Point blank, wife swap theory is retarded.
>>154175328Yeah you can tell these guys have never been with a woman who changes her hairstyles on a regular basis. Lilith feels like the type do her hair in elaborate ways once per month.
>>154175328Arguments boil down to the hair, specifically in the flashback, which isn't even accurate because if you actually pay attention, she has the same cowlick. She always does, and the bangs are the same exact bangs she had in some of the photos in the pilot. Literally that same exact hairstyle. The other more ridiculous reason I've heard is the lack of her pearl necklace. Basically, if she's wearing the pearl necklace, it's the real Lilith, if she's wearing the other necklace, it's because she's Eve
>>154175282> Why wouldn't Eve just permanently kill Lilith.My guess what’s she’s wearing on her neck and using is tied directly to Lilith herself to make the disguise work.
>>154175347>wife swap theory is retardedI fully agree. My biggest issue with it is how much of a logistical nightmare is plus it requires some really unrealistic personalities.
>>154175380Exhibit A.People really made some convoluted lore for the necklace.
>>154175380Still fucking retarded. The show has literal demon magic. Killing someone and shapeshifing as them should be relatively simple.
I've heard of Rosie being Eve theories. I don't know how those are supposed to work though.
>>154175416>Tanned LuteImpressive
>>154175318Steven Universe did something like this. They were monologuing about the backstory of the main baddie, and in it, there was both her identities interacting with each other as if though they were different people. Later turned out this was the same person and the story was completely false. I can imagine Charlie's book doing something similar here.
>>154175419I think it just comes from Rosie's eating husband comment. It really does not hold much weight as a theory and assumes a lot. If that was actually the case she would have shown to the hotel battle and maybe said something only Adam would recognise before he died.
>>154175462That and the whole animal thing she has going on with Alastor, calling him a pet. I think people forget about Franklin from the pilot lol that's who she could have been referring to.
>>154175462It makes more sense to be Lilith because she is prideful about hating Adam and saying he’s disgusting in her storybook.
>>154175449Lilith making her sonas talking to each other like sock puppets. I actually would believe this.
>>154175479Nope still fucking dumb. Rosie is probably just a cannibal sinner.
>>154175475She's a Victorian era looking woman. Her calling a once black dude "pet" isn't out of the ordinary.
>>154171335Likely.>>154175044>how people think she should have been written instead? Like everything else in this "show."
I love how there's convoluted lore for Rosie and Lilith being Eve, but it just relies on outlandish headcanons. Like the necklace, the hair, a comment about a husband...Meanwhile Lute:>Looks like Adam and Abel>Adam's soul completes her>Her va retweeting the theory and then deleting it >Her va saying she's "not who you think she is">Her va confirming she has trauma + "I have endured, I have seen firsthand the destruction demons have caused us.">"Does no one know who they're dealing with?">called feminine rage by Viv >Her audition song is salute by Little MixFandom: Eve is definitely Lilith!!!
>>154175525No, no, i agree with you! I was just saying that was a theory that has been floating around.
>>154175568>Fuck your evidence>Listen to my headcanons
>>154175611Yes Daddy.
>>154175619Angel Dust?
Lute is cute when she smiles.
>>154175636Son?!
>>154175499She isn’t a sinner. That would mean Alastor was more powerful than her in season 1 and 2.
>>154175365The hat she wears obscures her hair significantly
>>154175682Not necessarily because it depends on how many souls she's had and all that. She's an overlord. My shot in the dark is that she's one of Lucifer's creations.
>>154175705Ok. And?
>>154175407Killing Lilith would mean Eve would have to pre-occupy herself with Lucifer and Charlie 100% of the time. Lilith being there to pluck out and place gives Eve her free time.
>>154175705You do know that she most likely can hide those things, right? Lucifer and Charlie can. Why wouldn't she be able to grow them out or make them disappear?
>>154175736This is still very stupid. Why do they need to switch constantly? This theory really has no basis to stand on. Other than..... hair?
>>154175743Keeping the appearance on perfectly 24/7 would probably be exhausting.
>>154175736Incredibly contrived. She can just pretend to be her and fuck off whenever she wants. Lucifer is a massive wimp who'd cave in instantly and Charlie is retarded.
>>154175761Lilith wants her family.Eve wants to have control over the family and of Hell itself. For Charlie and Lucifer to hate eachother.
>>154175775That's an assumption on your end. Also again, Charlie and Lucifer do it. Not only that, if your argument is well, she's a sinner... Literally all sinners have a scarier demon form. By your logic they're all perpetually exhausted because they're hiding those specific features. That doesn't hold. And if you really want to hold on to pilot era canon, Faustisse said she could shapeshift those horns away.
>>154175801Why the fuck do they even need to pretend to be the other? It makes zero sense.
I feel like the wife switch enthusiasts really died down after season 2.
>>154175823>Why would Eve want to be the Queen of Hell
>>154175810>Headcanon Alert
>>154175854>Why would Eve want to be queen of a literal shithole of retarded sinners who usually do what they want and can't be harmed by their supposed king? >Cuz revenge I guess.
>>154175854Yes. Why? We have no idea what she's like. A smile does not make her evil. Oh boy, I feel fanfiction coming on...
>>154175823everyone wants a shitty reveal no one knows why they want it they just do
>>154175846Not enough apparently. Look at this shit. It's borderline psychotic.
>old leaks say Eve wants to destroy both Heaven and Hell >Jessica Voska said Lute will play an IMPORTANT ROLE when it comes to the conflict between Heaven and Hell>Jessica Voska said Lute is ONE OF THE ANGELS you see when it comes to Heaven and HellFandom: Lilith is definitely Eve!
>>154175846So did the threads.
>>154175910Lute being Eve is a shitty reveal.
>>154175934Lute being Eve would not be an identity swap, which is 10 times worse. Lute being Eve would just give background lore. Same shit as Vaggie and ""Vaggi""
>>154175934I think I'll take that over...>Lilith making a cannibal sona>Identical twin Eve taking over and stealing Lilith's identity
>>154175926>Lute will destroy heaven cause she’s Eve!!!!
>>154175979And yet you want Eve to be disguised as Lilith.... Because she's Eve? k
>>154175969Bad people do bad things.Who cares They’re demons and they do demon things.
I think you're replying to Matpat. He's a tsundere for eve
>>154175969It's not even a comparison. Wife swap will nuke the already retarded story and open even more questions that will probably go unanswered. At least with Lute being Eve things will make more sense. You kinda understand why she's so obsessed with Adam's dick if it was her go to meat stick for so many years.
>>154176011I'm pretty sure you're just retarded.
>>154175999Because it makes sense with the imagery we gotten out of her in season 1 and Adam’s actions in bringing her to Heaven on a Eden-like location.
>>154176042>Adam’s actions in bringing her to Heaven on a Eden-like location.Again you go with your retarded headcanon MatPat. You have zero confirmation yet you keep peddling the same shit. Rope yourself you byproduct of incest.
What is it about Hazbin that attracted such a large Asian audience?
>>154176079yaoi
>>154176079They love their Christian imagery.
>>154176079Character design? And the twinks
>>154176079The skinny people.
>>154176079musical
>>154175416she only went to the beach so he'd put sunscreen on her.
>>154176160How kind of him
>>154176070You literally headcanon’d Lilith putting herself into Eve in the storybook because you couldn’t argue against the Eve haircut neither Lilith and Lute possess.
>>154176235You're replying to the wrong person. That was me. Yeah, and? I also said it doesn't matter if the silhouette is accurate or not. The story is biased. Next?
>>154175416Tan Lute Tan Lute Tan Lute Tan Lute Tan Lute Tan Lute Tan Lute Tan Lute Tan Lute Tan Lute Tan Lute Tan Lute Tan Lute Tan Lute Tan Lute Tan Lute Tan Lute Tan Lute Tan Lute Tan Lute Tan Lute Tan Lute Tan Lute Tan Lute
>>154176235You're not beating the incest baby allegations MatPat.
>>154176235Wait, aren't you the one headcanoning one this whole thing with Eve being evil and shit? What's your evidence for that?
>>154176299Let's be honest, an incest baby is smarter than whatever mat is doing.
>>154176315Heard from the /Trash/ thread he might be Jewish so the incest allegations might not be unfounded.
>>154176209so much art of adam grabbing lute's ass, when is it adam's turn for his ass to be grabbed... it's so squishable...
>>154176300Please don't get he started. He doesn't have evidence.
>>154176392
>>154176392You gotta commission it. If you want to start a crowd fund now's your moment.
>>154176160Actual sunscreen or his semen?
One thing I don't understand is why MatPat is so obsessed. It feels like he doesn't like or watch the show at all and only larps it for his stupid theory.
>>154176300That is sources from the leaks and I just apply them to the show and find no issues besides being spoiled super quickly and not really caring besides how Adam will handle it.
>>154176429I've said it before but, it's literally just fanfiction which is perfect, he can publish that or even make it his own, but.. He's so convinced that his headcanons are canon. If I recall, last year before season 2 was released, he went on about how Adam was the father of all sinners, how Lute will take over as the mother, something something because Eve, Abel, Lucifer all failed Adam... It was weird. He's not even a good religious nut because his lore is all over the place. Like, he thinks Eden is in heaven.
>>154176409Probably actual sunscreen. Lute is so pale she would get severe sunburns without it. He probably does occasionally cover her with copious amounts of his nut sauce till she looks like a glazed donut.
>>154176453Correction, you apply very specific outdated hearsay leaks and you disregard the current material and interviews.
>>154176453Holy shit you are genuinely retarded. Incest is the only explanation for a being as twisted as yourself.
>>154176399YESSSSSSSSS
>>154176458Again I'm pretty sure he's Jewish and most of their sect are incredibly psychotic.
>>154176464>sir, please->lute for the last time, no double-glaze!
>>154176472This is just a pile of copes.You failed to actually disprove anything me and others have said about wife swap.
>>154176541Using canon and the current material.... is coping?What
>>154176541Dude, you're the only one here advocating for the wife swap. Most people know it's retarded.
>>154176607The people who believe in wife swap realized that you had no counterpoints, laughed when you kept raging, and left.
>>154176888Yes yes Matpat I totally sperged out here. Exactly like how you tend to do: >"What nonsense is this?!">"Why are you like this??">"You immediately revealed you are too retarded to comprehend people raging at golf jokes"I will enjoy your reactions when your theories turn out untrue.
>>154176888>>154176980Now you must get married
>>154177010DEATH BATTLE
>>154177010He tends to ask numerous times how I will react when my whole Lute/Eve theory turns out untrue. I'm going that NDA violation Jessica did. It's pretty obvious with everything else considered. But I think he wants me to throw a fit of rage or something? I'm fine if it's not true either way. I just want to know what Lute's deal is lol
>>154177059If you keep flirting with him like that we're going to have to hold a shotgun wedding
>>154177081Oh boy! Let's go to Vegas!!!!
>>154176888MatPat stop being Jewish.
>>154177100Does he even have his Jewish lore right?
>>154177111I'm not sure. They have some weird ass beliefs and sects. Some of them would literally be considered satanic by most regular Christians. Maybe his is more in line with his theory so he feels a certain need for it to be true.
>>154177081anyone who finds love in hell (4chan) can do anything baby
>>154177409Adam himself will officiate
I'm sincerely curious, why exactly do people think Rosie is Lilith and Lilith is Eve? I have heard about the leaks but what, strictly within the show, is there? Has Viv said something to suggest that??? This theory confuses me. How is it supposed to work?
>>154177519Most people don't really bother with said theory or leaks since they look sketchy AF. Outside of 4chan most fans of said theory are "people" that want Lilith to be the perfect mother that goes "Yas slay queen" and want all the questionable shit shoved on Eve because FEMINISM. Here it's just an autistic Jewish larper that want it to be true because it somehow fits his completey twisted version of events which would never happen in the show because it's written by Vivziepop.
>>154177519The most that people latch onto is how Lilith's nose was drawn in Season 1, her necklace, the fact that the eve puppet thing kind of maybe looks like her in the flashback, and on the card. I think Rosie said something about her first husband tasting bad? That's really it. I don't know why People think they would set up Lilith getting all the calls from Lucifer and Charlie only to turn around and say this is actually Eve?Also, I do not want Lilith to have Rosie's voice. I love Rosie, but her voice is definitely not Lilith imo
Tell me your darkest headcanons. Mine is Charlie wasn't their first try at a child. All her previous siblings came out deformed and monstrous if not stillborn due to the mixing of Seraphim and First Human/demon blood being unnatural. Charlie was the closest one to being "normal" and even then she's a goat/clown/human thing but Lucifer and Lilith said that was good enough after 10k years of abominable monsters they cast out.
>>154177709Adam tried to rape Lilith, but was obviously not successful because she has the same physical prow as he does. So they made Eve, and he was easily able to coerce her. I don't think she even knew she could leave the garden before the fruit. Lilith and Lucifer definitely pressure her into a threesome.
>>154177733So even more rape?
>>154177745Probably. Just nonsensical headcanoning on my end though.
>>154177733>Lilith and Lucifer definitely pressure her into a threesome.I like that idea being how they convinced her to eat the apple. Then she went on to try and convince Adam to eat it too so they could be some polycule thing together.
>>154177709Cain was made immortal and sent to wander the earth. If he ever tried to kill himself or someone would harm him he would regenerate all the damage and be revived shortly. During the Great Flood he would have drowned repeatedly only to be brought back alive for the process to repeat again. This resulted in him developing a fear of deep bodies of water from the trauma.
>>154177796>polycule thing togetherGross
>>154177733Why are people so desperate for Adam to be a rapist? I don't think he would.
>>154177826That's a very specific interpretation. The Bible does not say he's immortal. The mark was a protective measure so no one could enact vengeance upon him. That's it. He lived a normal human lifespan. If there are any traditions that mention this, they are not canonical scripture
So was the idea with Lilith that if she was the mother of humanity instead of Eve women would be as tall and strong as men?
>>154177826There is literally no Cain lore in Hazbin hotel besides him killing Abel. No one even mentioned his name.
>>154177850I'm personally not. Like I said I was just headcanon. You can really play around with the biblical figures depending on the interpretation. And if we're taking Lilith into account, that was their whole conflict in her mythology. They both wanted to top. Ergo he wanted to dominate her. They're both rapists.
>>154177891Nobody mentioned his name, and Abel could technically be talking about Seth when he mentions "braver son". The only name job we got was from Sam Haft. Even Viv has not mentioned any of Adam's other son's names. She just said that he had his favorites, and Abel was not among them.
>>154177929Maybe Cain was Adam’s favorite son.
>>154178001Viv said he had many favorites.
>>154177850they're being edgy but i'm not sure they realise the implications for other characters if it's true. if adam tried to rape lilith then he was rewarded with a second wife who was easier to rape. then he was cast out of eden and allowed to keep raping and forcibly impregnating her for potentially hundreds of years. neither lucifer nor lilith, despite hellspawn being able to travel to earth and kill humans freely, ever bothered to check in on her or help her despite knowing full well what adam was doing to her. his god-ordained reward at his death for mass rape and abuse was a couple thousand years in heaven, with even more women at his disposal, and then his existence ended with a quick, relatively painless death. a bunch of people far more powerful than adam could ever hope to be - god, the speaker of god, whatever the goodness entity is, sera AND lucifer - all knew about this and did absolutely nothing to stop him.if adam is a rapist, there are SO many characters in hazbin that need to die alongside him.
>>154177884>>154177891I kinda prefer the whole immortal still wandering aspect ( I think it's from Mormonism?) because it sounds like an even worse punishment. He doesn't ever get to see his family again. Is forced to watch humanities failures and how they constantly murder eachother. He would also have difficulties forming connections with other humans because of their shortened lifespan. It's pretty much constant suffering for the guy.
>>154178028Rape or not, he deserved to die. And he did.
>>154177885Maybe. It's kinda hard to judge because we never see Eve so we don't know if she was shorter or the same height as her. Humans were said in some versions to be taller and live longer pre-flood. The idea is that the modern human is the chihuahua to the pre-flood human wolf.
>>154178087That would make Abel’s size unusual if he is smaller than his parents and his siblings.
>>154178028>>154178069It's a story written by Vivziepop. The only ones getting raped are men by other men. Any other type of rape ain't happening. Unless Eve was a little twink boy Adam was only having consensual sex with her.
>>154178116Him being the family's manlet especially if Cain was considerably taller is pretty funny.
>>154178141That is very true. Like I said, I don't think she'd have the balls to do a dark version like that, and it's not just me being ""edgy"". It'd very interesting, but that's definitely not her brand.
Wifeswap and Lute being Eve are two sides of the same coin, you're both retards.
>>154178069Calm down Lucifer
>>154178180When it comes to retards the one who's closer to the recommended number of chromosomes wins. I place my bets on the Lute Schizo.
>>154178180that's why the only conspiracy theory i believe in is that abel is an adamsapple mpreg child.
>>154178180First of all, it's not. Second of all... Okay?
>>154178209Oh Jesus, that's that's probably the worst one I've heard yet. I just thought he was Lilith & Adam's affair child. Imagine tho. I would respect Viv even more.
>>154178180No. The show foreshadows what is featured in the leaks. The latter is basically a shit post theory obsessed with a shitpost.
>>154178208If this is a convoluted way to say that you're in favor of my theory, then I'll take it. Your support means so much fellow citizen. I have $15 on this shit.
>>154178227That's even more depressing when you consider his height and looks. If that the case he definitely lost the genetic lottery.
>>154178227I think Abel is the result of Eve and Lucifer.
>>154178239Keep coping matpat. I'll see you after season 3.
>>154178239No MatPat. It doesn't. You're just being a delusional jew.
>>154178254>>154178252Abel is nobody's child. He just spawned in heaven.
>>154178254He looks too human for that. Also the timeline doesn't add up.
>>154178266Considering his buildup pre season 2 you might be right. He just randomly spawned after Adam died.
>>154178208It's depressing that despite you being a fujo and into male impregnation, you're still probably the most intelligent poster in these threads.
>>154178305Stop talking to yourself.
>>154178305I think you have me confused with another person. Not into Fujo or mpreg.
>>154178305Quit talking to yourself. We get it, you like to suck your own dick.
>>154178305I met to reply to >>154178209, which further proves my point considering I'm a retard too.
Who actually believes that Lucifer and Adam fucked? Was it not obvious he was just pulling Adam's leg?
>>154178335It's ok man. It happens to the best of us. Especially if you have big fingers and you're using a phone.
>>154178347>Who actually believes that Lucifer and Adam fucked?Lucifer trying to rape a straight man is something I would see Vivzie doing. Probably didn't happen do.
>>154178362Fuck. My retardation leaked out. I meant to say Lucifer and Eve.
>>154178275We only have seen Abel in his winner form. And Charlie herself does obscure her strange features that makes her seem human aside from her face.
>>154178362You could technically argue that maybe he did, and that's why Adam hates his guts. But yeah, no, definitely not Viv's brand. Especially for one of her favorites.
These threads are actually a cognitohazard for all of us, Christ.
>>154178335We're all retards here. It's okay.
>>154178371Look at Lucifer’s face when he does the air banging. I don’t think he made it up.
>>154178385If Abel looked in anyway weird or angel like Adam would have sent him skydiving of a cliff as a baby. The timeline also doesn't add up. That whole shit doesn't work MatPat.
>>154178387Nah. Vivziepop love parents with kids that hate them and shame them. Stolas.
>>154178371>>154178409He looks like he made it up. He is a literal adult man sperging over duck. His ass ain't got shit on Adam.
>>154168958They put Adam on the Pride Month merch, so clearly the show wants us to care about them.
>>154178422Adam would’ve been aware of what Lucifer and Eve did before Eve was given the apple. The opening segment shows us that Eve was sad and alone.
>>154178504Yeah, Lucifer was just saying shit to get under Adam's skin.
>>154178551If he was, why isn’t Abel the first human soul in heaven instead?
>>154178504Abel is the second born you dumbass. Unless Viv changed it then the timeline doesn't work. You also didn't address the fact that if Abel had any unusual features what would stop Adam from throwing him in a ditch. You are retarded MatPat.
>>154178566It's possible Adam actually died before then. If he died, leaving behind say: three girls, three boys? That would have taken care of everything. This is Viv's cartoon. Not a Biblical retelling.
>>154178566Because he might have been a late addition. He's not foreshadowed at all S1. Or maybe Viv is just fucking stupid and inconsistent at world building.
>>154178619Or that too. All is possible.
>>154178590Interestingly enough, I think it was either Collider Entertainment or some other cartoon news outlet, I'm their rveie for Season Two, they specifically said Abel was the firstborn. In non-canonical biblical interpretations, sometimes the roles are switched: Abel is the firstborn, Cain is the second. Given that Viv borrows from several belief systems, Jewish mythologies being one of them, this could be possible. We don't know yet.
>>154178647Jesus fuck, I tried to fix the typos and I made them worse. ** IN THEIR REVIEW FOR SEASON TWO,Anyway, I single out collider entertainment because they're the ones that have been doing the interviews with the cast, and sometimes for these articles will be written, they kind of have to know some inside information. Only sometimes though.
>>154178305i'm not even a good fujo in this fandom. guitarspear and flowertunes mog the fuck out of adamsapple, which is shit.
You see, I actually believe that Lute being revealed as Eve *can* work. Like most things, however, it all comes down to execution. As for how I see it playing out, either:1) She's been incognito this whole time as an Exorcist, with seemingly nobody else having figured it out. (which would be an interesting play on the "I never got a chance to tell you..." thing not being a love confession, after all). Sure, I can understand being Eve in Heaven must not have been easy and her having a strong desire to atone for the original sin... but it is convoluted, I won't deny.2) It's an MK Ultra/Jason Bourne/Total Recall set-up where her past was hidden even from her. Would certainly explain her bio being 'Classified Information' in the playbill.Again, I think either of these scenarios could be pulled off *with the right writing*, but from what I've seen so far... I just don't know if I can trust Viv to pull it off without it feeling like an ass pull.I'd love to be proven wrong, but... I'm not exactly betting the farm right now, let's just say.
>>154178739Not you again. You keep asking the same questions. They get answered, you're never convinced. Why bother engaging with the theory then? You apparently used to be a die-hard for this theory. Clearly you're not anymore, you keep second-guessing it, so why are you continuing to engage with it? I don't know what you want to be told that has not been already said.
>>154178731Adamsapple is a fucking joke. Like there's literally nothing for it. It's literally just shipping two dudes for the sake of shipping. They probably picked it cuz Adam was the only guy not built like a twig.
>>154178739""" Betting the farm""" ??Didn't you make a whole Reddit post specifically """betting the farm""" on her being Eve?
>>154178590>if Abel had any unusual featuresThe theory you're arguing against is stupid for other reasons, but would Adam even have any basis of comparison for what counts as unusual for a human? He has a sample size of one: himself. Everyone else he knows are women or angels. He really couldn't honestly say what features are typical for a human male to have. Plus I doubt he was created with an innate understanding of how inherited traits work.
>>154178786>>154178801It's fucking MatPat. Ignore him.
Lute's big secret is that she used to be a NERD who wore GLASSES. She hid this because she knew Adam would call her lame.
>>15417879880% of the time it's just a 'wow lucifer's so cool and good and awesome and adam should've been slobbering on his dick and begging for forgiveness this whole time' delivery system and the other 20% of the time is lucifer sex-slaving adam because the author clearly gets off on the canon valentino/angel dynamic but is too chickenshit to admit it.
>>154178804>Looks at Charlie/any other Angel human hybrid >Look at yourself >Look at your wife and remember how Lilith looked He might be a dumbass but not that stupid. If Abel looked a bit like Lucifer he would have figured out and dropped him of a cliff. You are seriously grasping at straws here to fulfill your cuck fantasy.
>>154178841Oh my God, yes you outlined every single problem I've had with this ship.
>>154178841So basically Trash.
>>154178844What other angel human hybrid could he look at? Charlie was down in hell. There were no other hybrids. He could have figured it out after death, but that's too late to throw Abel off a cliff.
>>154178853The whole thing irks me off but the part I find most questionable is the "Adam begs for forgiveness". Shouldn't it be the other way around. Lucifer destroyed his life and forced him to deal with everything that was shitty about existence.
>>154178881Fucking Abel if he was a hypothetical Angel/human hybrid. It would have been noticeable. Adam meet Angels he would have been capable of putting two and two together. Also unless there was a massive age gap between Cain and Abel he would have noticed. Taking Abel for a walk in the woods and then leaving him there with an excuse would have happened if he looked weird in comparison.
>>154178808Don't tell me the motherfucker is on Reddit and Twitter too??
>>154178976Would it seriously suprise you if he was?
>>154168916>Lilith when Charlie doesn’t want to rape Adam and kill babies
>>154170871You say that like she wouldn’t be the rapist in that scenario.
>Adam knew what to expect from learning about Eve’s and Lucifer’s hook up>He isolated himself from her and sulked about it>The apple incident happened because of it>Adam rejected the fruit Eve offered>The angels arrive. They punished Lilith and Lucifer to Hell. Eve was banished from Eden.>Adam had the choice to have yet another wife and a new start. >He instead chosen to come after the banished Eve and offer her a robe of animal skins. Fully aware that the first child of her will not be his.>The child is born and Adam named him Abel.
>>154179009>Why did you kill him Charlie?>He was meant for rape.>Now what other men am I supposed to molests?>Can't find Cain and I'm pretty sure Abel is a fag.
>>154179038Absolutely nonsensical. Fuck off MatPat.
>>154178841Bottom Adam fucking sucks and retards think it's subversive but it's the only thing you can get. Even if he wasn't straight Adam would be top always. >inb4 men don't understand yaoiI'm a woman, bottom Adam is safe horny slop, the safest there is, I like getting fucking gaped.
>>154178786And you offer interesting answers; they're not definitive. It's why I'm casting a wider net to get other people's opinions.Yeah, I was a die-hard for the theory. I still very much like it and hope to see it come true, but contrary to what the internet will tell you, there's nothing wrong with keeping your mind open and questioning things.>>154178804You're right, I did. Heh, you got a good memory. Nowadays... hmm, again, I'd *like* for it to be the case, but I'm leaning more toward 60% than, say, 80% back then.Like, take the quote tweet that Vosk deleted. That's still the strongest piece of evidence thus far, but it's not necessarily a smoking gun.The original leaks may very well now be outdated; Viv does apparently change her mind a lot and did say there was a big pivot when they found out they were getting a second season. If Lute is revealed to be the original mother of humanity -- awesome. If not, ah well.
>>154179223Ok matpat
>>154179322Does he ever fuck off? He feels constantly active.
Does the schizo always do this? Put 500 fucking masks on and just talks nonsense all day? How is he not tired.
I used to think the "lesbians getting dicked" shit was cringe, but seeing some art from this series has turned me around and now I am sad there is not more of it.
>>154179338Apparently he's been active here for years.
>>154179160i'll accept switch adam because i do also want to destroy that ass for horny reasons but it is genuinely absurd how rarely adam gets to top, or even top from the bottom. full submissive always and it's never the ships i wanna see it's all adamsapple slop. i blame it entirely on people taking lucifer's comments about lilith and eve to mean adam's bad at sex generally and therefore isn't 'allowed' because he's bad at it or something. there's something so weirdly misogynistic about it that i can't put my finger on.
>>154179362Something about the first man Adam, father of humanity, being notoriously bad at sex or at finding the clit is fucking hilarious. I'll take that shit.
>>154179362It's misogynistic because self hating women want to 'punish' him by putting him in the female role and they themselves think of it as lesser. Getting wrecked feels great actually.
>>154179358I'm surprised no one ever name dropped his Twitter account. He also apparently used to draw or some shit.
>>154179428I hear he used to have a YouTube channel too but I think he might have retired it
>>154179358Yeah, he's been active for years and he seems to be doing a lot better than he used to because he's not talking about demons and spirits as much. He had a paranoid phase where he thought all the women he saw were MTF and all the men were FTM and Hollywood was in on a huge conspiracy making all the actors trans. Leonardo DiCaprio was one he talked about.
>>154179375i'd prefer it if he was good at sex. i like the idea of charlie or emily (or vaggi if i'm feeling problematic) challenging him on the dickmaster shit and finding out the fun way that he earned that nickname actually. but them him pulling the same stunt bottoming with a guy to prove that no really, he has mastered all things dick is also entertaining to me so maybe i just have shit taste.
>>154179556I see he was one of those guys.
>>154179558this him: https://x.com/MagicMan1_1_1
What the fuck is that icon
What would you do if you found yourself in the Hellaverse? I'd probably just spend most of my time arguing with Lucifer about why loons are the superior waterfowl. The rest of my time would be spent trying to sabotage IMP and writing racial slurs all over their office.
What will Alastor do to Charlie in s3?
>>154179663i think i would go work for carmilla carmine, she seems like one of the few bosses who wouldn't hunt you for sport
>>154179681Smile menacingly at her, sing a song about his plans and then do nothing for the rest of the season
>>154179620Oh yeah I think I've seen this account floating around. He occasionally privates it, leaves, comes back, I guess he hops on here. His Reddit is the same exact shit.
>>154179681job
>>154179688Do you have to sell your sell to one of the overlords to work for them?If I was stuck as a sinner, I'd probably just go to the Hotel. Free room and food, practicing moon speak with Nifty, and listening to Charlie and Vaggie scissor at night.
