I'm tired
At least half his face already looks burnt they just have the make the other half prettier
>>154176181Didn’t they take months looking for a White guy to play his father? What was even the point?
>>154176181>a PoC as a traditionally white character OH THE HORROR!
>>154176181>Casting African Americans as super vilains and mass murderersI thought you'd be happy, you won remember? You told me this would happen
>>154176181They'll probably recast him when it's time to become Two Face again thanks to the Ellisons.
>>154176201Underrated post.
>>154176221This is some literal who tossing out a rumor with no weight, for some reason everyone picked up on it
>>154176239What movie was Lando white in?
Get over it.
>>154176221OP's just mad because he can't get his ai-feminized selfies turned into interracial porn on /r/ any more
>>154176181>>154176221did we get bamboozled by Stan???>>154176239Lando's white?>>154176248>super vilains :|>super vilains, black >:(...
>>154176201Kekk
>>154176201Yeah he should be half white.
>>154176298I'm utterly lost, is that green text meant to represent op?
>>154176294what a strange thing to type
Why choose Paperboi
What if he was a black guy who got turned half white and it made him CRAZY
>>154176327Probably because he's a good actor.
>>154176181We should boycott this slop. Just make the damn characters look like the thing you’re adapting for fucks sake
>>154176239What's a PoC?
>>154176239Leftists gaslighting to defend the billionaires in the media
>>154176357Piece of Crap
>>154176316I guess, my bad if I misread your post
>>154176357Participator of crime
>>154176288Light-skinned
>>154176286Billy Dee Williams played Harvey Dent in the 1989 Batman movie.
>>154176181What did you expect from The Pozzedman?
>>154176288Wrong then, wrong now.
>>154176357If it's Lando, "Person of Coolness".
>>154176451Nothing about the character of Harvey Dent thematically requires him to be white.In comics, he needs to be white for continuity, since he's always been white there, but adaptions don't have that restriction.
>>154176376Yeah.Billy Dee Williams totally didn't play Harvey Dent in the 1989 Batman film.Don't believe your lying eyes.
>>154176497>the race of the character doesn’t matter!An argument exclusively used for white characters getting race swapped.
>>154176288
>>154176239>replace him with a white actorHow did WB get away with that?
>>154176515Stop deflecting
>>154176406>>154176515Yes tranny, calm down.He wasn't two face in that movie though, it was just the name being used no proof it's the same character
>>154176515yep, this shit has been going on forever.now go screech about "whitewashing" again. What was the problem with a white person voicing Apu again?
>>154176181>>154176239>>154176288Came here to say this. Should've been Billy Dee Williams.
>>154176530Doesn't really refute my point. What is it about Harvey Dent that requires him to be white?This is the current District Attorney for Manhattan. Is this person incapable of getting acid splashed in his face?
>>154176321yeah but it needs saying
>>154176594>What is it about Harvey Dent that requires him to be white?His white skin.
>>154176181i see israelli jeets are still trying to fake outrage
>>154176594and then you'll turn around and write articles like this.
>>154176616Jews are the ones who started the DEI shitThough it's funny to see leftists admit immigration is a bad thing now
>Doesn't really refute my point. What is it about Harvey Dent that requires him to be white?>This is the current District Attorney for Manhattan. Is this person incapable of getting acid splashed in his face?
>>154176617No I don't. Two things can be dumb.You still don't have an actual argument.
>>154176594Why did they have to make him black?If race doesn't matter you leave it alone, you don't go out of your way to change it. Why not make original black characters instead of stealing white ones?
>>154176570>they just used the name for no reason>now i need to dilate
>>154176594>What is it about Harvey Dent that requires him to be white?With that logic, would you be okay to have Luke cage or cyborg be white?
>>154176181Fake. He’s Harvey Bullock.
>>154176617>2017aren't you embarrassed by being this much of a fossil
>>154176570>They just used one of batmans most well known villians names as a place holderHow does it feel to be retarded, good? Mommy didn't try to strangle you when you were born?
>>154176699the booyah american being white? you can have him. its been fuck cyborg over here since titans east special
>>154176630Curses, he's depicted me as the basedjack! I must retreat!>>154176641Because Henry had the best audition, because it fit the cast better, because it works thematically with a character idea they had, because it looks good with the makeup they have in mind, because he just fucking wanted to, take your pick of reasons. >>154176699Luke Cage's race and his experiences in the inner city and prison system are integral to his character, you can't change them without changing the entire character. Cyborg's less overt, but you'd still be losing a lot without the undertone of expectations put on him by his race contributing to both him and his father's ambitions, and the theme of dehumanization from both his mechanical body and his skin color in society. Harvey Dent's whiteness doesn't have any similar contribution to who he is as a character.
>>154176181Then go to sleep
>>154176779>take your pick of reasons. Those are the reasons YOU created not the actual reason.
>>154176625I assume you’re not a hypocrite, and currently live in Europe
>>154176799Nice deflection
>>154176779>if the character is black it’s integral, if it’s white it doesn’t matter.
>>154176798I don't know the actual reason. I don't know if it's even happening, it's just a rumor. I'm saying there could be any number of reasons, or no reason at all. It doesn't matter because Harvey Dent isn't a character whose race is integral.
>>154176181>TURN TWO FACE TO BLACK AND BLUE FACE>I’M 100% NOT BRUCE WAYNE
>>154176594What about Miles Morales requires him to be black?
>>154176828Okay, then. Explain how Luke Cage's race isn't integral to his character, but Harvey Dent's is.
>>154176717didn't you fags JUST bring up a movie from 1989 to make your point?
>>154176181It's the sequel to trash bag Riddler......what were you expecting?
>>154176636you were just arguing why the first thing WASN'T dumbbrownboys aren't sending their best
>>154176181lol. So much for DCucks and their “based” company.
>>154176181You know you guys can just look these things up yourself to see if they're true or not, right?
>>154176870Outrage listicles about actors not being "PoC enough" are dumb, and getting buttmad that a black person is in a movie is dumb. Those are the two things. You are the second one.
>>154176181>More Woke Goyslop from DC Comics
>>154176239He put in the time. He deserved that role.
>>154176181Are you really that surprised?Matt Reeves is Woke as hell. The first The Batman movie was about Batman learning to check his White privilege and help the black Kamala Mayor save Gotham.
>>154176916Nice seething
>>154176900Sebastian is playing Victor Zsasz, dumb Mexican
>>154176906except the faggots that complain about the shit in the outrage article then turn your and put out faggy defenses how it's okay when they do itfaggots like you.
>>154176931Ok, Raj
>>154176931This. He even turned Riddler into an incel 4channer. I don’t know what you guys are expecting.
>>154176847You can make him Lucas Castro or Nguyen Lu and till accomplish the same thing.
>>154176944Calm down, snowflake. Do you forget how grammar and punctuation work when you get mad about losing an argument?
>>154176960>obvious inspiration from Zodiac>4chan incelWords just don't mean anything anymore
These are just rumors coming out of a few unreliable Twitter fan accounts, you stupid fucks, I can't believe you actually bothered engaging in this waste of a thread.
>>154177017
>>154176931Yeah, he literally made all of Batman's allies black except Alfred. A white gang harasses a black teen at the beginning of the movie.They even raceswapped this character to white so they wouldn't have a black antagonist kek
>>154176530Why didn’t you create more non-racist black characters in comics? Why did everyone always have to be white but be so lazily written that any ethnicity could play them without losing anything?
>>154177017This is the same guy who called Snape being black, anon.
>>154177043Yep. Yet for some reason Zoomer keep trying to say the movie was not Woke.
>>154177071Nice grasping at straws
>>154176248This is Matt Reeves, dumbass.The same guy who had a group of evil White people force a black man to play the knock-out game with an asian.black Harvey Dent will be an antagonist but sympathetic.Sebastian Stan as Zsasz is the real villain chud (whom Harvey Dent kills after Zsasz burns his face)
>>154176181James Gunn’s DCU looking dark.
>>154176594Aside from the bad faith questioning on your part, Two-Face should be a pale white guy so that his other half can be darker and contrast more.
>>154176594>What is it about Harvey Dent that requires him to be white?A past friendship with Bruce Wayne.
>>154176699Luke Cage no, Cyborg yes.
I'm still wondering what REQUIRED him to be changed to black.
>>154176990So we're moving on from "Luke Cage can be white" to "Luke Cage could be Hispanic or Vietnamese"?There isn't the same history of forced medical experimentation for Hispanics or Vietnamese that there are for African Americans, or the same level of targeting within the prison industrial complex, or the same cultural history within America. Minority groups aren't interchangeable.>>154177114It wasn't just a typo, the entire non-sentence lacked any kind of structure, was barely coherent, and still didn't make an actual argument. You're just saying no-no words to try and seem tough, but you're not actually saying anything. Maybe go take a nap, you'll feel better afterwards.
>>154176181Hahahahahaha!!!! *Breathes in* HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! NO NO NO NO!! HAHAHAHAHA!!! Look at the his head!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Blackface
>>154177191>There isn't the same history of forced medical experimentation for Hispanics or Vietnamese that there are for African AmericansNTA, but... doesn't that mean he could also be Chinese of white-passing Jewish?
>>154177158
>>154177183DEI Oscar requires require most actors in movie be brown. Matt Reeves wants the Oscar like TDK got.
>>154177225Capeshit never wins oscars.
>>154177183Larry Fink demanded it. He controls WB.
>>154176847>>154176779>Luke Cage's race and his experiences in the inner city and prison system are integral to his characterBeing poor is not race exclusive you can make Hispanic or White it doesn't change anything other than racism themes. Same with cyborg but the message is less obvious or in your face
This was the best version of Kingpin and all versions of Kingpin should have been based off him like they did with JK Simon's version of Jameson.
>>154177234The Dark KnightJokerSuicide SquadBlack Panther Batman
>>154177224Everyone in that series look tanned due to the inking and lightning, besides, he had prominent lips to either emphasize his beauty or angry expressions
>>154176779>the race of a character doesn’t matter>unless they’re black then it absolutely doesI hate you people.
>>154177249Nah. Netflix version was WAY better.
>>154177191You commit more crime due to lower IQs
>>154177253>He has a tan! That makes him black!God you rats are so evil. No wonder you keep claiming Cleopatra was black.
>>154177256They'll claim to be best for the role when there's DEI rules helping them. Funny how they can't compete without them
>>154176497>Nothing about the character of Harvey Dent thematically requires him to be whiteHe has a father
>>154177223If it was an alternate continuity set in Europe or Japan during WWII, then sure. That might be kind of cool.
>>154177284I meant the reverse, you retard
>>154177191Okay, lets try it again...Faggots, FOR DECADES, bitched about whitewashing....then, these faggots turned around and swapped races all over the place while still bitching about whitewashing.....faggots, like you, who ask "what's the big deal" when it's a black swap....As if we haven't been hearing your bullshit for decades....Am I losing you yet? Is it articulate enough?Faggots, like you, who pretend not to understand the issue....But now that I have explained it to you, you can shut the fuck up.Do you understand, yet? Did I explain it well enough?You disingenuous faggot, piece of shit.
>>154176594You're not wrong but unfortunately the racial violence implications are still a bit too strong. Sadly it is ok for a white guy to be attacked for whatever reason, but a black man being attacked will always have racial implications tied to it, even if it's by another black man.
>>154177256see>>154176847
>>154177302He can remember what he had for breakfast that morning
>>154177224I'm not a fan of the value contrast on that, but understand where it's coming from. BtaS uses an art style inspired by Art Deco, so the use of black, dark colors, and negative space is very prominent in its environmental work. To that end, having characters with a brighter value for their colors leverages their visual clarity and emphasizes their forms, rather than their details, which also makes them easier to animate.By making his acidic half blue, it lets them keep those advantages of using a brighter color, instead leveraging basic color theory by often depicting his skin as more tanned/flushed and thus more orange, a la your screencap.
>There isn't the same history of forced medical experimentation for Hispanics or Vietnamese that there are for African Americans, or the same level of targeting within the prison industrial complex, or the same cultural history within America. Minority groups aren't interchangeable.
>>154177303In other words, it's not "integral."
>>154177043And nobody complained about Bock being turned white. Ever notice that?
>>154177249No it isn't, 90's Spiderman one isAnd there he is only voiced by a blackman but with a very fitting voice rather then just being a generic gangsta boss
>>154177317Haha, don't think I didn't notice it took you two tries to post that.You haven't explained shit. You're complaining about other people making different arguments than the one I'm making. I'm not saying "What's the big deal", I'm saying "There's no reason Harvey Dent can't be black".Some character's races are important, some character's aren't. I'm not making a broad, sweeping value judgement about society, I'm talking about this character and this actor. You haven't engaged with any of that because all you care about is edgy anti-woke cultural shitposting, because you don't have any actual valuable ideas of your own, and have no actual media literacy.
>>154177372It is very integral. You literally would have to change the entire setting and time period for it to make sense and work on any type of meaningful level. A black DA is not shocking or implausible. Harvey could be Asian or middle-eastern and it wouldn’t matter because his whole deal is just being a disfigured prosecutor
>>154177418>I'm saying "There's no reason Harvey Dent can't be black".NTA, but the onus is on you to explain why the swap should happen since it's an established character. Also, I didn't get a good answer to >>154177158.
>>154177424>You literally would have to change the entire setting and time period for it to make sense and work on any type of meaningful level.Would it? What about him changes so much if, instead of a black man, he was survivor of the concentration camps Japan set up in WW2 to experiment on the Chinese?
>You haven't engaged with any of that because all you care about is edgy anti-woke cultural shitposting, because you don't have any actual valuable ideas of your own, and have no actual media literacy.
>>154177158You can do disfigurement on a black man and have it look interesting. There has never been consistency in how Harvey’s face looks. For fucks sake it’s been green and his hair turned even white on the damaged side
>>154177468>>154177366
>>154177465For one thing he has no reason to hide his real identity. His entire origin of being unjustly incarcerated as an innocent man and his motivation to prove his innocence doesn’t work anymore. He’s just a victim of torture.
I always always ALWAYS saw this character as a black man. A mixed race, maybe, but black.
But there is a reason he can't be black.I just said, you shits complained about whitewashing being wrong, in of itself, regardless of whether the characters race was important to the casting or the story.It was just wrong, drilled into everyone's heads over and overso now everyone will complain and if you don't like it, suck a dick.that's it. It's the bed the wokies made and now we all get to complain and not give two shit about your personal arguments.
>>154177517Not with that nose
>>154177418Oh, yes, I noticed a typo the first time and that you'll use any bullshit excuse to ignore what I say
>>154177533Hell YEAH with that nose. East africans have noses like that.
>>154177418>Some character's races are important, some character's aren't.Funny how it’s always important when they’re black and not important if they’re white.
>>154177521>the reason is my butthurtOh well why didn’t you say that immediately!
>>154177564Like I said, you'll totally ignore my point because you know I'm right.
>>154177474>You can do disfigurement on a black man and have it look interestingThe weasel word is "can."As-in, they "can" do that by having half of his face just completely melt off and it shows his pale skeleton underneath.But they wouldn't and won't, and deep down you know this.>There has never been consistency in how Harvey’s face looks.This is a disingenuous handwave on the same level as people who bastardize fiction. Harvey Dent hasn't always been perfectly recreated, but he has had some artistic symbols to keep the character recognizable; we can prove this by the fact that you also keep calling him "Harvey Dent" because his name is one of these you artistically-illiterate chucklefuck.
>>154177559That’s because white authors are lazy and don’t bother to write about white identity because they take it for granted. Meanwhile they take a lot of pains to accurately portray minorities and depict their background and identity in stories. White people created this problem and now thin skinned bitches like meltdown every time artists address and modernise casting
>>154177515>For one thing he has no reason to hide his real identity.Does he? How many superheroes hide their identity for no concrete reason other than fear of retaliation from villains?
>>154177521>Other people in the past made a dubious, bad argument>That means that the exact inverse of that bad argument is ontologically true, regardless of circumstance
>>154177552Nostrils too wide.>>154177517>>154177533I never noticed that he looks like he has a honker that looks either Semite or Mediterranean.
>>154177593White authors have things like personalities. They don't make their skin the beginning and ending of their entire identity. LAZY fucks do that. They make being black ALL they are because they can DO anything else.
>>154177593>artists address and modernise castingGo back to preddit
>>154177593>and don’t bother to write about white identity because they take it for grantedThey do. You fags just get them delisted when that happens.
>>154177578Harvey Dent was blonde in the Dark Knight and raven black haired in Batman Forever. His ruined side colour has been anything from greyish blue to poison green to purple. You disingenuous fucks never gave one goddamn iota about how inconsistent his visuals have been in comics, cartoons and live action until his normal skin tone became dark due to an African-American actor being cast. You’re a racist.
>>154177604Morherfucker Luke Cage’s whole goddamn deal is that he’s in the fucking phonebook and you can pay him to be your bodyguard. He has an office for clients that is advertised.
>>154177559Because white people have more opportunities than Black people. Whitewashing gets rid of opportunities for Black or PoC actors but the opposite helps Black and PoC voices. it's not that hard to understand.
>>154177643>MY WHITE IDENTITY IS RACIST AND BIGOTED IN NATURESweetums, we already knew that
>>154177676>>154177682Lol, faggot
>>154177593>don’t bother to write about white identityBecause it would be labeled it a hate symbol.https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/its-okay-be-white
>>154176286>>154176298>>154176376Really easy to spot the tourists, today.
>>154177616Yes. Because you want this ONE time to be immune from all the bullshit everyone else has had to deal with. Bullshit started from people on your side.It's too late. Why do you get a free pass when no one else does?This is me pretending you really did come fresh into /co/ on your first day, and haven't seen this raceswapping nonsense happen over and over, and that you haven't made your argument EVERY time this happens.This is me assuming you ARE just a snotnose on your first day, in which case, you don't know what you're talking about and need to shut up.ORYou are an asshole who makes his little defense EVERY time they do this, and you are just a bullshit artist in which case you need to shut the fuck up.Either way, shut the fuck up.
>>154177693>>154177676>>154177682Yes
>>154177649He's Two-Face not Two-Hair you stupid redditfag. The artistic symbol is his face, not his hair. I don't care what race he is, I care that his face has more visual contrast, as I explained why him having orange skin was actually a good thing in BtAS (>>154177363).Also, I can be racist, but also right. This isn't Reddit you stupid faggot. You can't just start shouting "YYOOOUU'RREE (x)IST" and think that ends arguments. All it does is make you look for retarded for trying to shame an anon, and reveal you're in the same ideology as people who write articles like >>154176617.Please, return back to r/cuckold or whatever other black-worshipping sub you came from.
>>154177717Oh awesome so you agree then that visual inconsistency has been firmly rooted in the depictions of the characters and casting a black man in the role is just continuation of that.
>>154177676At last you fucks finally drop the bullshit excuses and admit it’s just diversity hire bullshit. Good day faggot.
>>154177667Okay. And? Superheroes don't operate in the public? "Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man" isn't a label most in-universe New Yorkers know?
>>154177624He looks mixed. I'm just telling you how I interpreted Harvey in tas. Then I saw Harvey in the movie with Billy Williams and it just confirmed totally "Harvey dent is black". I was really confused when I saw Tommy kee Jones. I was all>isn't two face black?I didn't actually see the comic's till I was older and by then white two face looked weird to me.
>>154177682Everyone in the world acknowledges racial differences except some coastal western white liberals.
>>154177682>White authors don't write about their race!>>You delist their work when they do>AND THAT'S A GOOD THING!That's called victim blaming.
>>154177744>racist person continues to meltdown You need a hug? Your self worth isn’t tied to the ethnicity of fictional characters, anonymous. You can just be a person judged by your actions instead of your skin color
>>154177779Faggot
>>154177517He's Italian. It's easy to be confused since that's just how Bruce Timm drew Mediterranean people. See Luthor in STAS who is based on Telly Savales.
we're all tired
>>154177744When equality doesn't improve things, then equity is necessary.
>>154176376Go outside.
>>154177750You really have trouble understanding that Luke Cage’s whole gimmick is him being a public persona. The only reason he used a fake name is because originally he was an escaped convict hiding from the law and after he proved his innocence he just kept the name because the comic couldn’t just have him change it back to his original one.
>>154177841Nope
>>154177593> modernise castingShouldnt he be latino then?
>>154177779>Your self worth isn’t tied to the ethnicity of fictional charactersTell that to blacks.
It’s hilarious how just mentioning white identity has every racist rushing in crying about how you aren’t allowed to be a virulent racist bigot. Because they can’t imagine white identity meaning anything else except bigotry and hate
>>154177740>so you agree then that visual inconsistency has been firmly rootedThis is Batman.You cannot disagree because there was an adaptation of Batman that had nipples, and some that did not, therefore he always had inconsistencies based in the character.There is also no reason Batman can't wear a red and blue suit or shoot Batwebs, or operate primarily in the day.If you disagree with this, you are racist.See how stupid your logic sounds when applied elsewhere?
>>154177676>Because white people have more opportunities than Black people.Literally the opposite in todays world.
>>154177841there are people that actually believe this
>>154177754He doesn't even look mixed, and the exception to his character was a deliberate choice to make the character fit in with the artstyle.
Jamal Ginsberg calm down
>>154177910Sure. He could be latino too. Maybe they just didn’t get many auditions from the latin community
>>154176288seeing that his origin was given to btas harvey, burton was keen on using freddy krueger makeup for him.
>>154177879Okay. How much of your recap there mentioned his race?
>>154177930Nah you’re just a seething fuckwad trying to be clever and failing at it. Quite amusing, anon. Unintended comedy but I appreciate it. See, you racists can be good for something after all.
>>154177973So you agree this is Batman then?
>>154177970His race didn’t need to be brought up again because it was already established earlier. We were now further elaborating other details you clearly don’t understand or know about
>>154177973Stop coping
>>154177649>You’re a racist.yes I am but that doesn’t change the fact that you’re a dishonest faggot.
>>154177993Saying "iTs bEeN eStAbLisHeD" is just an example of the begging the question fallacy.What part of:>Luke Cage’s whole gimmick is him being a public persona. The only reason he used a fake name is because originally he was an escaped convict hiding from the law and after he proved his innocence he just kept the name because the comic couldn’t just have him change it back to his original one....Mentions his race? Isn't this the of the character?
>>154177382Tbf that's like caring about Stan Kitch
Imagine if they make Zsasz an identity for Dent. Like he's hallucinating a serial killer.
>>154178026Buddy, the public superhero selling bodyguard services gimmick isn’t the whole character. His origin and background that makes him become a superhero bodyguard meanwhile is heavily rooted in how black people have been treated historically in the US. Him having bulletproof is directly tied to the myth that black people don’t feel pain the same way white people do. You were already held by the hand and explained this.
>>154178096Day dreaming again?
>>154176181If they miscast a role even once, they always use that as an excuse to miscast it from then on. Selina Kyle will always have a fifty/fifty shot of being an ugly african now because someone got away with making her an ugly african half a century ago. And each follow up they do is used to justify the next one.
>>154177841How much fucking blackwashing do you fuckers need, because god damn the list just gets bigger and bigger everyday.
>>154177702>Because you want this ONE time>makes his little defense EVERY time they do thisWhich is it? Am I making an exception this one time, or have I done this consistently every time it's brought up? It can't be both.Maybe the reason you get the same arguments every time is because you MAKE the same argument every time. See a black person? Knee-jerk about "reverse whitewashing" like an NPC.You're admitting you don't have an actual argument, you're just performatively acting out because you want some sort of social revenge for some annoying articles living rent-free a decade later.Some of us care about the actual media just being good.
>>154178152it's easy to replace a side character i'm waiting until we get someone really big
>>154178145You are ugly
>>154178104>His origin and background that makes him become a superhero bodyguardOkay.So only black people have ever been falsely convicted?>Him having bulletproof is directly tied to the myth that black people don’t feel pain the same way white people doSuperman is black confirmed!>You were already held by the hand and explained this.Retard, please google "begging the question fallacy," come back, and realize that's all you've been doing.I don't get why you're hellbent on Luke Cage anyway, when you could have said someone who actually has his race built into the premise of the character like Black Panther where the point is explicitly to be a minority representation.But you won't, because that highlights the contraposition that not all superheroes or characters in the genre are reliant on their racial profiling for their evergreen symbolism, and once you have a minority character where their premise doesn't rely on this racial profiling, they're fair under your precedent to raceswap. You only special plead because you worship dark skin, but it's the truth. You haven't said anything about Cage that necessitates him being black other than his backstory, which follows a very specific cultural context that will someday be outdated, and by then the reason for keeping him black would be "because he was always black," which isn't a good reason according to your own argument!I can't wait for you to ignore all of this and try to look like a smarmy pseudointellectual faggot instead, then get butthurt because most anons on here are just calling you retarded.
>>154176779>growing up in a crime-ridden state of poverty in a urban environment and frequently going to prison is a distinctly black character trait
>>154178200>Ariel>April O'Neil
>>154176530Race swaps end up happening a lot in book adaptations because they're less attached to visuals. To keep it somewhat comic-related, Chuck Dixon wrote a book that was adapted into a Jason Statham movie called A Working Man, his friend/former military soldier in it was black in the book but played by a white actor (David Harbour) in the movie. You also occasionally see this with minor characters like X-men D-listers in the Fox movie
>>154178175>or have I done this consistently every time it's brought up?Considering that I see the same bullshit arguments you’ve been making whenever this happens, you may as well have.
>>154176181Hang on, I think I've seen this angle before.
>>154178323They're not Batman
>>154178348>I see the same bullshit arguments you’ve been making whenever this happensIt's crazy how predictable the script is, to the point that I half wonder if these companies haven't all hired the same firm to manage social media sentiment or something. It's not just mostly the same, it's dead on every time for over ten years.
>>154178326How faithful of an adaptation is A Working Man to Levon's Trade
>>154178388I would wager that Ariel is a more prominent character in pop culture than Two-Face.
I thought you guys liked it when criminals are portrayed as black?
>>154176239At least he doesn't have an AAVE accent. BTH couldn't even turn it off as Megatron.
>>154176181I assumed he would be Bullock. But either way, Matt Reeves will have raceswapped three major characters from white to black. And the mayor was black. And the one conflicted gang member was black while the bad ones were white.
>>154178427Yeah, don’t you bitch ass losers complain that only white men are allowed to be villains? Now you’re freaking out because they made the villain a black man and you can’t even do the pathetic “libs are the real racists” cope?
>>154178484Don't forget the only other good cop in the movie was a Mexican
>>154178489The solution is to walk and chew gum at the same time - when adapting characters, don't make them black. When not adapting characters, and portraying a story that takes place in some facsimile of the real world, be honest about it. The knock out game isn't something the White and asian kids are doing to elderly blacks, so don't cast it like that. This is all pretty simple stuff.
>>154178411Chuck Dixon seemed to think it was a reasonable enough one. Granted the main character goes from being American to a British ex-pat.
>>154176181I don't mind raceswaps but I have certain conditions for them: >the adaptation honors the spirit of the character, who retains their personality, background and motivations, etc (if not, then the adaptation should do something new yet logical that the source material hasn't done yet)>the raceswaps aren't predominantly one race, it should be like the old pulps where things were quite ethinically diverse depending on what you were reading>if you're going to change the design to factor in darker or lighter skin tones, you need to either adjust the values of the outfit OR create a new design that is still recognizable as the character>the actors should be good-looking and handsome/sexy/hotI don't mind a black Two-Face for the same reason I don't mind a black Catwoman. But I DON'T like this Two-Face because he's not good-looking like Billy Dee Williams, it's gonna be hard to make the scarring look believable without going full retard like TDK or making things look lame like in the Caped Crusader, there's WAY too many black raceswaps over any other kind of race for the Reevesverse, etc.
>>154178581Yet nobody is crying about fundamentally changing the character there. Odd.
>>154176552He didn't sanction Jim Carrey's buffoonery
>>154178311Yes it's distinctly black..because the justice system unfavorably targets Black people with stricter sentences
>>154178617Last I checked Levon's trade wasn't part of a multi-installment franchise that's lasted nearly a century with its cast having had time to settle into evergreen designs, you disingenuous reddit homo.
There’s already nearly 40 years old precedent about this and all you racists losers do is have another bigoted tantrum because duh you just want to be racist about it
>>154178152Black washing only matters if a white male lead becomes black which never happens. This thread is retarded anyway because Stan is going to be Dent.
>>154178651And here we see the goal posts moved and completely new and arbitrary rules being introduced because fuckheads ITT can’t admit they’re hypocrites
>>154178625How does one hire 90s Jim Carrey and not expect buffoonery?
>>154178683That be the same multi-billion dollar corporation you would fellate if Harvey was white?
>>154178674>Stan is going to be DentNope. Menthol two face is confirmed, not a rumor
>>154178682I mentioned "evergreen symbolism" back i >>154178306, so don't even pull that shit you lying faggot. Do you just genuinely not know what that means? I wouldn't doubt it, and I will be happy to explain it if you just have a little bit of humility.P.S. Here is Batman riding the Batmobile according to your logic.
>>154178709Has anyone, ANYONE ever looked at a new Batman media and cheered because Dent was cast as a white man, or are you just trying to make a limp-wristed "no u?"
>>154177930>>154177987>>154178713Oh he mad.
>>154178753t. damage control
>>154178741Are you seriously going to pretend you wouldn’t celebrate if the casting was changed to a white man now? All this racist vitriol and suddenly you wouldn’t care? Anon, come on now.
>>154176181>DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!
>>154178782Keep seething
>>154178782>now?Foremost, I wouldn't.Second, the inclusion of "now" defeats your point, because you're changing it from being about celebrating that he's white to celerating returning to the status quo. You are actually moving the goalposts here.And that is a different statement, mind you. It's tantamount to asking if I would celebrate Harley Quinn returning to her DtAS design instead of the pigtailed whore they adopted post-Suicide Squad, which I would, her race having zero relevance.
>>154178837>DtAS*BtAS.I typed that in a rush.
>>154178711how embarrassing, rip.
>>154178427No one remembers that Daredevil movie, anon.
>>154178713NTA. What's that mean?
>>154176239He should have been in Batman Returns and replaced the Christopher Walken character
>>154179128A "symbol" is just an abstraction that represents an idea.A character won't be consistent if they last long enough. To keep recognizable as their design inevitably changes, certain traits will remain consistent throughout most of their depictions (exceptions are exceptions and subversions). These traits that are going to be consistent throughout are part of their "evergreen" design. Batman has a cowl with two pointy ears. Joker is a clown with a narrow face that's covered i white. Sonic is blue and has spines. In terms of character recognition, the details don't matter as long as you get these traits represented in an adaptation, since they are the standard for what a character's design gets compared to. In terms of Two-Face, his key recognizable evergreen trait is his face being disfigured to the point where it shows two clearly differing sides split in half.
>>154179171not your army jamal.
It's insane how nothing but projection comes out whenever a leftist opens their mouth. Not a single drop of sincerity to be found. This thread is one of countless examples out there.It's appalling, really.
>>154177777C-C-C-CHECKED
>>154176181>Black Lawyer is a criminalSeems racist.Unless Dent stays an honest lawyer to be a good role model for young black people.
>>154176181What if his backstory is that he has Vitiligo and the Two-Face half is white?
>>154177234batman the dark knight
>>154176181So what, will he get bleached on one side?
>>154179389Two Face now just means the character flaw of a dirty da. We aren't getting any kind of silly comic book shit in this dark realistic noir masterpiece.
>>154180283>We aren't getting any kind of silly comic book shit in this dark realistic noir masterpiece.Wrong
>>154177517He was based on Ralph Bellamy according to timm
>>154176630Re enforces angry Blackman stereotype.
>>154176406...and did voice Two-Face for the lego Batman movie.
>>154178652shut the fuck up
>>1541761811/2 Paper boi?
>>154178175can you really not read that postdo you really not see the word "OR"fucking illiterate moron
>>154176497Nothing thematically or narratively requires a race change you fucking faggot.
>>154177158Make the burnt half chalk-white.
>>154176288horrible casting
>>154176181disgusting he looks like a sewer turd mutation
>>154176181MY COMMISSIONER IS BLACKMY CATWOMAN TOOAND NOW MY D.A. - COPE AND SEETHE CHUDS - WOOO!
>>154176181>>154176221>TwoPOC
>>154180283You can't use Two-Face anymore because it'd be demonizing people with disfigurements and people with dissociative identity disorder.
>>154176570So there were Two Harvey Dents in Gotham and both of them were District Attorney's within the same five year period. >HEAVENS TO BETSY WHAT ARE THE ODDS?
>>154176718>They just used one of batmans most well known villians names as a place holderDid the general public even know who Two-Face was back then? I'm not arguing against you I'm genuinely curious.
>>154176779There are non-black people who live in inner cities and who have been in prison.
>>154182644batman forever and 89 are the same film universe so yeah.
>>154179139Makes sense. At the end of the movie, Catwoman would’ve electrocuted Harvey and turned him into Two-Face.
>>154182687In 89, probably not. Its before long halloween and btas. He was a silver age literal who shitter before that.
>>154177382Also because nobody knows Bock unless you read 90s Batman comics, which a lot of people haven't.
>>154179203And you can do that with a black person. It isn’t intrinsically a white man thing to have visually striking facial disfigurement
>>154176339No, he isn't
>>154177224Man, it blew my mind to find out they made him look like a rusty penny.
>>154185419And once again we reach to the obvious point that people here don’t actually give a shit about the source material. Not in the fundamentalist sense that they keep arguing against casting. There’s never the same kneejerk reaction if afterwards seeing the movie you point out something they didn’t notice. It’s insecure racists showing that they have no real principles or consistency to their complaints, just impulsive emotional freak outs.
>>154185480You're a racist if you think raceswapping white to black is okay but raceswapping black to white isn't. It's not racist if you are consistent and approve of or disapprove of each.
>>154176181They're only going to stop pushing when we have 5 years of movies with no white people in major roles.
>>154185524What if you go case-by-case depending on if the race is important to the specific character or not?
>>154177676Don't capitalize black, and just say non-white
>>154185533You remind me that the best Sonic was black.
>>154178388Have you ever seen the little mermaid and batman in the same room before?
>>154185539I don't think it should ever be done. But there are times when it isn't as big of a deal. Like Kingpin in 03 Daredevil and Liz Allan in Spectacular Spider-Man. The real problem is it that it makes the general public think a character is a certain race and (which happens much more now than it used to) the character is almost never portrayed as white again in media. See Nick Fury, Iris West, Etta Candy, Heimdall, Perry White, etc. I mean, remember when there were rumors that white actresses where under consideration to be Iris in the DCEU and a bunch of activists made up the hashtag #KeepIrisBlack and scared DC into following suit.
>>154185539Race is always relevant to the character whether raceswapped or not, it's just how people are, change is change and the result is not the same as the original idea
I know its all just a jewish plot to make us fight eachother so they can fuck us up the ass and rape kids on islands so I don't know want to be angry at this shit anymore. But I click these fucking threads every time ahhhhhhh
>>154185601It's absurd now that characters have to be raceswapped in animation now too. Even though you can have non-white actors voice white characters. The best example being Mark and Debbie in Invincible. You could keep the actors and keep them white, but Kirkman follows Hollywood dogma and thinks you have to do it. But until pretty recently, voice actors of any race could voice characters of any race. So long as it sounded believable in the show or movie.
I don't care what race someone is anymore. I just want compelling stories with well written characters, that's all I'm asking.
>>154185746Not me, I don't even like movies. I just obey my brainworms.
>>154185639Going by Oliver, wouldn't Nolan's genes overwrite Debbie's so that Mark would just look white
>>154177517Only an American would ever think anything like that.
>>154187113>AmericanYes sure rabbi, it's the Americans
>>154185746>I just want compelling stories with well written charactersRaceswaps are usually a red flag when it comes to this
>>154177676Nice bait.
>>154185539You'll just say race matters when the character is black and doesn't when he's white.We've been through this before and we know now what jealous, hypocritical retards you are so we'll continue calling you out on it
>>154187138That is generally the case. Most characters in media are written in such generalised way that any ethnicity could play the character. Because the default setting is to be a white heterosexual male so writers almost never bother to add characteristics that makes it absolutely necessary to always be white. Any ethnicity can play rich people, cops, politicians, doctors, priests, CIA agents, etc. Yet usually you just cast white people because casting has for a long time had bias where they think unless the script specifically mentions the character not being white it should be a white character. And then executive will still tell writers that you turn the ethnic character white or give them a white friend character because audiences supposedly can’t handle not seeing white people in movies.
>>154176181You're a fucking idiot
>>154187202>And then executive will still tell writers that you turn the ethnic character whiteIn reality they tell you to turn the white character black.
>>154187202Why don't you go back to Africa and make your own movies? Why do you have to leech off of white people?
>>154176181>Black haired dude cast as a blonde dude, nothing could be finer>Pale skinned dude is cast as a dark skinned dude is most outrageous shit possibleObnoxious fuck
>>154187329Why are you so racist you can’t handle the country being multicultural and that being depicted in media?
>>154187347Why are you so racist you need to beg white people for everything while also demanding they not be in their own media?Everyone else seems to be able to look after themselves
>>154176357President of Cloudcity
>>154187359White people have not disappeared from media. You’re just a sad lonely loser.
>>154187367You're the one begging whites for handouts again, once a slave always a slave
>>154176201was gonna say his disfigurement could make half of him white and that would be the evil side
>>154187359>>154187439Keep crying bitch tears about creative decision made by people who aren’t racist like you.
>>154188256You're still begging white men for handouts because you can't make anything for yourselves
>>154176594>What is it about Harvey Dent that requires him to be white?He's white in the source material
>>154179139>>154183405Why would Harvey Dent be evil from the start? Doesn't that miss the point of his fall of grace and transformation to Two-Face?
>>154188307You’re screaming at the sky because you’re so racist you can’t even comprehend white people aren’t as weak and small minded you. You should open up your heart and embrace Jesus and perhaps then you could do more with your life than just having existential dread over fictional characters being played by various ethnicities.
>>154185524I’ve always hated both. Bane needs to be a tall dark mullato with a heavy Spanish accent, no exceptions.
>harvey dent is usually portrayed as an either an honest politician driven insane or corrupt politician ironically given a look that suits his true selfyeah makes me think of Obama, the casting is fine
>>154176699White Luke Cage doesn't work. Maybe you can get away with Italian or Ginger but then you have to move the setting back even further in time.If you want a char that must be white look at Steve Rogers. Captain America can be black, native, whatever. But the WWII US propaganda poster child has to be white no matter how much the alt universes try to change it.
>>154189233Yes white people are smarter so blacks beg them for handouts
>>154176641>If race doesn't matter you leave it alone, you don't go out of your way to change it.If race doesn't matter, it stands to reason you hire the most qualified, high profile actor you can get your hands on.
>>154178152>Ms. Martian Does she even have an alt identiy? Or was someone expecting to hire a green person? Because body paint doesn't happen for movies anymore. >StarfireWould have been better as a lively latino woman. But being a cheap ass show, they probably didn't want to bother looking long for someone. Also nobody gives a fuck about gingers. People who bitch about this are just as happy to have a blond chick in a wig.
>>154189695So white guys? Given they didn't need DEI laws or woke culture and they built their own media instead of begging others to portray themShould men also play women if they're the most high profile choice?
>>154189839Speak for yourself. Gingers>blondes for me
>>154189695Yes, I'm sure >>154177818 was the best man for the role.
>>154176283>This is some literal who tossing out a rumor with no weight, for some reason everyone picked up on itJeff Sneider @TheInSneider is far from a literal who.I don't know who the Twitter account is, I don't know who the Twitter account belongs to, but Jeff Sneider is legit.The "twitter account" I'm referring to is EverythingDCU_https://www.youtube.com/live/n1IpopjJi48?is=oIW5nUrGOo1GtyUOI typed Jeff Sneider into youtube and a 4 week old screen shot with Brian Tyree's face came up for The Batman Part IISneider is not some "who".I'm just wondering why this news took 4 weeks later to circulate.
>>154176288>Get over it.Warner Bros did exactly that. WB replaced Billy Dee Williams with Tommy Lee Jones
>>154176181Who will play the human half?
>>154176497>Nothing about the character of Harvey Dent thematically requires him to be white.>In comics, he needs to be white for continuity, since he's always been white there, but adaptions don't have that restriction.Y'all do this shit, y'all always see this bullshit, so explain Batman. Explain why the whole cast ain't white.Why ain't the whole cast black? It's Laurence Fishburne all over again. They could make Perry White black, but couldn't make the entire cast black. According to you, switching races ain't wrong, so why not do it?It's hypocritical. They did this shit in the '22 version, and it applied there. You change Catwoman and Jim Gordon, change Batman too. Make the whole fuckin' cast black. But if you ain't gonna make the whole fuckin' cast black, what's the point of changing one race? It will not improve the movie.People defended Larry Fishburne, and in 6 total hours of two Justice League movies, Warner Bros didn't even bother to bring Fishburne back.I'm tired of whites using blacks as guinea pigs, and can't even marry a black woman or have mixed kids with blacks.
>>154176181I'm curious to see how the makeup/sfx will work on a black guy.
if they had the balls to get Billy Dee Williams in the modern era, they should have done it
>>154189928Anon turn your brain on. Actors aren't equally available. Put aside the political pandering here. And it stands to reason that if race doesn't matter nor change the basics of the character, then basing the choice on the best person available that puts the most butts in seats, meets contract qualifications, can act, etc is what to go with. If choice one is white but cost to much, then you go with choice 2 that is black. This goes out the window if you need a person for roles like Luke Cage or Thor. If you want to go snap at DEI shit, then go bitch about how the country is currently run on an administration that hires people with 0 experience in the roles they are picked for.
>>154176181>the actor from Eternals who claimed everybody cried on the set when they filmed the homo kissing scene because it was beautiful
>>154188307Who’s begging? Matt Reeves decided this, no black guys were begging him to make Two-face black, he just decided to cast this guy.
>>154176288billy dee wasnt a babyfaced faggot dei hire
>>154176181I'm glad I didn't watch the first movie. I'm not watching this one either.It is that simple. If you don't like it, not watching says more than any amount of handwringing online will. If you want this shit gone, go for their wallets. Nothing else matters to the bean counters.
>>154176552They needed someone who wasn't a washed up nobody to sell tickets.>>154176288The character was designed white and portrayed as such in 99% of appearances. A character with the name of Harvey dent who had like 3 minutes of screen time in a movie was played by a nigger. This does not mean the character needs to be a nigger you dense motherfucker
>>154176221>Two-Face>his father is white, his mother is blackit's like poultry
>>154176181There's a high chance Sneider is mistaking the two Harveys, Bullock and Dent.
>>154191528>If you want to go snap at DEI shit, then go bitch about how the country is currently run on an administration that hires people with 0 experience in the roles they are picked for.DEI is just shorthand for being racist bigot but being too much of a coward to just say it openly. Same thing as bitching about wokeness. These are people who fundamentally think that any black or brown or asian person, or god forbid a woman, is incompetent and stole the job from a competent white person.
>>154176181That guy would be terrible casting for Two-Face even if he was white
>>154189129He could be slightly corrupted DA who thinks he’s doing good and then break mentally when his crooked dealings blow up on his face and he needs the coin to handle it so that it’s never him making the decision, it’s the coin.
>>154176288The difference is that Billy Dee as Harvey worked well in '89 cause he had a Johnnie Cochran feel about him which is exclusive to that version. Harvey in '89 was less "pure soul wanting to fix Gotham" and more "scummy guy promising unrealistic shit to get votes"At the same time I won't deny Burton raceswapped cause his Robin was going to be a full on nigger and that sucks balls.
>>154176181>Gordon's black>Selina's black (and bitching about le rich straight huwite men)>Barbara will logically be black>Harvey's black>All of the villains are whiteGee, I wonder if Reeves has a political bias.
>>154179139based and correct. i fucking hate max shrek.
>>154201737You’re just taking schizo pills at this point
>>154201914>it's schizo to notice that literally all of the good guys are black and all of the bad guys are whiteAnd yet if the film was the opposite way it wouldn't be schizo. Retard.
>>154200540>any black or brown or asian person is incompetentyeah obviously, look at their shitty countries.
>>154201926You’re a schizo racist. That is correct.
>>154201737>Selina's black >Harvey's black>All of the villains are whiteYou do realise that Selina and Harvey are... Villains?
>>154201996Selina in Batman '22 was a protag and good girl, she ends up helping fight the real villains and her thefts are excused when she blames her poverty on le huwite men which the film portrays as a valid motivationHarvey will become a villain but he'll be a tragic figure where he was a pure man who got corrupted and still has justice or whatever, like most takes on Two-FaceMeanwhile Falcone, Penguin, Riddler and Joker are all white and irredeemable monsters who have evil motivations for what they do, including the Riddler being a very obvious dig at le heckin' 4chanerino incels
>>154202051>including the Riddler being a very obvious dig at le heckin' 4chanerino incelsah, was babby's feelings hurt?do you want mommy to kiss it better?
>>154201926Bruce Wayne and Alfred are not white anymore? That’s weird.
>>154202146Bruce is a pretty boy who sucks at life and cries his way through the film while the rest of the protags fix shit for him and Alfred is irrelevant.
>>154202183>Just let me be racist and revel in my faux victim complex!
>>154191398So like Donald Glover? I don't see him as Two-Face. It should be someone conventionally handsome regardless of their skincolor.
>>154177224Looks white to me.
>Now Joker when you fell into that vat of chemicals was there no top on it? No cover at all? Was there any written sign warning that this could happen? ...Just as I thought.>That's preposterous, that's egregious, that's outrageous.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpcEietIoxk
>>154200585Still sounds unsympathetic. Dent is supposed to be a good guy that becomes evil after his face is scarred, he never fitted Shreck's role, not even Billy Dee Williams' version despite we only saw less of 2 minutes of him.
>>154202051>Riddler as evil channerOH NO NO NO NO 4CHIN AAAAAA THIS WASNT HOW IT WAS SUPPOSED TO GOBased. Representing 4chan as the embodiment of stochastic terrorism it is
