>>154183546
I'm shocked this got more than one episode, that's more than what I can say for New Norm. Apparently, the latter was created so that way the crappy xitter show could get more coverage than what was going on in Isreal? Crazy shit!

They (and this happened to liberals too) kinda just lost the ability to be introspective or self-critical

>>154183546
The difference is the open-mindedness and level of seethe.
King of the Hill allowed Hank to be wrong, and whether he was wrong or right, he was still a decent man. As for Mr. Birchum, obviously I didn't even watch that shit, but from what I heard it just came across as the exact same uppity, woke propaganda leftists are always doing, except opposite day. Plus, leftists always put in uppity propaganda, but at least they can sometimes also have good, creative ideas outside of that.

>>154183602
Hate to be that guy, but wouldn't The Goode Family be the exact opposite parallel? (Or was it really just KOTH but liberal? I honestly haven't seen much of KOTH, but I've NEVER seen Goode Family.)

>>154183546
One is based heavily upon real people that Mike Judge encountered growing up, with their own flaws and shortcomings but also strengths. The other is a strawman constructed in the writers’ heads to lampoon conservative beliefs

>>154183624
>The other is a strawman constructed in the writers’ heads to lampoon conservative beliefs
Sucks too, because he voiced one of the funniest characters on DT. (Though, his funniness might be attributed to how he's written rather than the actual vocal performance.)

>>154183546
>modern conservative writers
anon... you cannot be this naive. do they have to put a big fucking stamp on it?
THOSE DON'T EXIST. THEY AREN'T ALLOWED. NOBODY WOULD PUBLISH THEIR SHOW IF THEY MADE ONE. and if they made a show, it sure as fuck would not constantly reference things we're all trying to ignore. It would just feel like a show from the old days.

>>154183618
The adopted African kid being a white kid is a good bit but that's all I really remember from the 1 episode I watched.

>>154183546
Because something like Mr.Birchum is just the writers airing out complaints first, jokes second.
By the end of KOTH Hank had learned to appreciate the new stuff that he occasionally encounters, like yoga, or accepting that his son is going to be different and have different tastes than him

>>154183624
>One is based heavily upon real people that Mike Judge encountered growing up, with their own flaws and shortcomings but also strengths.
1000% this. Part of the charm of King of the Hill is how utterly genuine the characters are, even at their most ridiculous. At their core, everyone knows people like Dale or Bill or Peggy, even if those people never got into the hijinks that the KotH cast got into.

>>154183546
King of the Hill was never a conservative show. It poked fun at both conservatives and liberals. And never really promoted any conservative values. People call it a conservative show mainly because it portrays conservatives in a sympathetic manner rather and not one-dimensional assholes and nazis.

>>154183546
KOTH is not a real conservative show.

>>154183654
This also, writers who are caught thinking the no-no thoughts get shunned and blacklisted because Hollywood is one big clique
The interesting thing about people who derive their worldview from groupthink and consensus is that it actually causes them acute psychological distress to think unclean thoughts or potentially be perceived as doing so. “I can’t question the experts, that would make me a conspiracy theorist, and conspiracy theorists are crazy! I don’t want people to think I’m crazy!”

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't KotH originally supposed to be about stereotypical inbred retarded rednecks?

>>154183546
When something is made to own the libs, it's doomed to fail. The exceptions being a certain person being president twice.

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>>154183758
>When something is made to own the libs, it's doomed to fail.
The opposite case can be made true. What a miserable show this has been lately.

>>154183546
Mike Judge is a normal dude who wrote about people. King of the Hill was inspired by a Spike Lee film. He wasn't trying to participate a culture war.

>>154183546
Because they aren't conservative writers. They are controlled opposition attempting to fuel culture war fires for personal gain and manipulation of a demographic of simpletons that can be separated from their money.

>>154183546
>Mike Judge did perfectly all the way back in 1997?
Judge thought he was making fun of republicans but it backfired because the characters he intended to mock turned out to be relatable and the characters meant to "put them in their place" came off as the unlikeable pricks these deluded fags don't realise they are.

>>154183758
>>154183773
There's only so much comedy that can be wrung out of political shitflinging.

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>>154183546
OP, you might be retarded if you think KOTH is "conservative." The main theme of the show is Hank, a conservative, learning to grow and accept the world is changing. The climax of most episodes had Hank just growing his horizons and learning to be better.
Hope you get tested by a professional and gobbless.

>>154183546
Simple, they have to suck the dicks of domestic abusers.

>>154183839
In South Park's case, it's not even as biting as their shocking grossout stuff. The moment they started making a lame FCC pun was the moment I knew Matt and Trey were EXTREMELY out of touch.

>>154183546
Modern conservatism will never really produce a mainstream piece of art because a big belief in modern conservatism is that art isn't really important and artists should get "real" jobs.

It's hard to create a big blockbuster piece of media when a huge part of your ideology is disdain for the media and people who make it.

>>154183709
>it's not a conservative show because it isn't dogmatically conservative
It can be conservative and not say "all leftists are retarded snowflakes GOD i hate everyone that doesnt agree with me" at the same time

>>154183546
Short answer, Mike made a show with a likeable cast that doesn't make their one-sided bullshit politics as the show's entire shtick. DW's version of Mr. Birchum was truly made to appeal to the lowest common denominator and was made purely out of spite for those who's political views don't align with theirs. They're unintentionally giving conservatives a bad image.
>ooh look at this millennial loser with a manbun
>my son is a loser because he plays vidya all damn day
All the same bullshit hardcore right-wing rhetoric you will hear from retards like Matt Walsh all day long with his retarded boomer mindset despite being a millennial with an inflated ego. It's like making a cartoon with a left-wing leaning cast that pictures everyone who's right wing a "nazi chud bigot incel". Velma comes to mind, and what a shitshow that was.

>>154183546
The original Mr. Birchum pilot was a lot closer to King of the Hill, a really shitty version of that but better than the show that came out so many years later. It got made on the back of culture war bullshit so of course it was terrible.

Why does ultra conservative fiction always feature a sidekick black that's there to buddy up with the white lead and show the viewers how not racist he is?

>>154183758
I mean the United States of America is basically doomed to fail now so this rule actually still holds

>>154183546
Mike Judge was making fun of the conservative boomer mentality for being out of touch but showing that they can adapt and understand the changing world around them and in some cases solve modern problems with their old boomer wit. Birchum just dickrides the conservative boomer mentality and instead of adapting to the new world just gloats about "the good old days" and being mad about how everything isn't like back then without ever looking for solutions for anything.

>>154184604
Mr. Bumchum even had a token gay friend. It was crappy strawman beating shit but it was also too liberal for modern reactionary conservatives, it was like Bush era conservatism.

>>154183885
And leftists blacklisting them.

>>154183618
The Goode Family was actually pretty charming in how the grandfather character connected with the kids better than the libtard parents. It just got too heavy handed with the libtard parents being in the wrong 90% of the time though.

>>154184674
You think Republicans were more pro-gay in 2000 than 2016?

>>154184712
Mr. Birchum is from 2024. And yeah, I think Mr. Birchum's
>live and let live, just don't be a flaming fag around me
attitude to gays was much more in line with '00s conservatives than today's
>GET THESE DEGENERATES AND ANYTHING THAT SO MUCH AS MENTIONS THEIR EXISTENCE AWAY FROM MY KIDS
that seems to be the more common conservative position now.

just like how libtards try too hard to be woke, conservacucks try too hard to be edgy

>>154183885
And yet these same "Conservatives" are also funding the shit that is replacing them at those "real" jobs with the AI and Robots. I swear, the smooth brain logic on display be the people wanting to "own the libs" is astonishing.

>>154184744
That's not true though. Even Democrats were against gay marriage in 2000.

>>154184604
Because otherwise they would be exposed as the racists they are. And it's not like they're doing a good job hiding it. You can tell that Matt Walsh or Ben Shapiro, if they haven't already, REALLY want to say nigger, with the hard 'r' freely in public without any consequences.

>>154183546
They hired retarded writers and made a retarded show

>>154183546
How hard is it to make a cartoon about Ron Swanson? He was supposed to be a caricature, but he was the best part of the show.

>>154183571
They refuse to do that when they believe they are perfect and all faults come from their perceived enemies.

>>154183546
Because King of the Hill was actually legitimately made to be a funny entertaining show where characters had strengths and faults.

Birchum was not made to be funny entertainment. It was made to be nothing but preachy
>Fuck you libtards!!
and nothing else. So since there was nothing entertainment-wise put into the thing from the start, it's not entertaining at all.

>>154183546
Because Mike Judge didn't make a show with the aim of "showing the libtards". The fact that Hank and friends are Texas conservatives is far in the backseat compared to just being a sitcom first and foremost.

If you make something with the intended goal to "dab" on the political side you don't like; left or right wing, your show will sputter and either die, or be a joke to anyone but the people who watch it for the sake of being told what they want to hear.

>>154183624
Birchum is the pro-conservative show. But it's funded and aired on that network that Chinchilla Bluey knockoff airs on; so it's more about going "look at those libtards".

>>154183546
Conservative in 1997 and conservative in 2026 are two REALLY fucking different things.

Conservatives in 1997 did not really give a fuck about liberal stuff and mostly wrote it off as dumb and useless. Their approach was
>Wow, those Liberals are stupid...anyway...

Conservatives in 2026 approach all things with outrage and fist shaking and demanding everyone be outraged too 24/7. Their approach is
>FUCK YOU libtards!!!! I'm mad and everyone else needs to be mad too god dammit!!! The thing in the news made me mad now I want that thing I never cared about yesterday to be eradicated!!!

>>154184685
>Make film about why abortions are evil and Obama is the anti-christ
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN I'M BLACKLISTED FROM HOLLYWOOD?!

>>154183546
Because the modern conservatives irony poisoned are neo nazis with a red cap,in other words channers like you. Would you watch King of the Hill if Hank Hill was spewing the same shit as Sam Hyde or Greg Gutfeld. I don't think so

Because Hank was allowed to be wrong from time to time, and while there was stuff he didnt like as long as they didnt bother him or his family he ignored it

>>154184674
I will never stop laughing at that right winger who didn't want to watch the show cuz gay person. You know, the show that probably has a gay character just so they can make gay jokes to OWN THE LIBS.

>>154183546
KotH and Judge's work in general benefited from him living in a culture where the liberal (as in the liberal democracy) cultural hegemony meant that conflict between the sides while producing friction still felt like most everyone was still ultimately on the same team, and so he got to produce shows with a much lower level of existential political anxiety.
This meant he was able to more focus on raising a more even keeled and pleasant view of the world into hijinks.
In contrast modern creatives are constantly aware of politics in a way that makes everyone who doesn't completely agree with them into a potential threat to ones way of living and/or potential future prosperity.
This in turn means that creatives are going into things with a much higher level of the same kind of anxiety as mentioned above, that drives their work more than anything material or passion related. Its no longer art to share, its art to exorcise ones personal demon of grievances in a fairly winey and unappealing way.

>>154185004
>Conservatives were different 30 years ago!
No shit. Next you're gonna say fire is hot I bet.

>>154183546
koth is normal everyday happenings with a sprinkling of absurdity, it has right-leanings but it doesn't go out of its way to say leftists are entirely stupid and have no reason to believe what they believe
that other stuff was deliberately made to be "anti-woke", it was too much for normal people yet not enough for those it was made for so it failed completely

>>154185015
Please just say 4chan users, channers sounds so goddamn fake and lame.

>>154185004
>Buys gay beer
>BAAAAAH, WHY DO I HAVE GAY BEER?!?!

>>154183546
Birchman was just hateful "im right and you're wrong and even when im wrong im right because you're wrong". Nothing was learned and it wasnt entertaining

>>154183654
They own all the media companies. Your statement is false

>of the three writers of the show; one wrote Spider-Man: Shattered Dimensions, one wrote most of the Kickin' It episodes, and one is Adam Carolla's producer
That was unexpected.

>>154183546
Right wing velma.

>>154183602
>King of the Hill allowed Hank to be wrong

This.

>>154184916
Because people also don't realize that while Ron is an exaggerated parody, he's also typically not an asshole and actually gets along with people who are otherwise different from him.

>>154185082
You'd think it wouldn't need to be said, but a lot of current KotH confusion and discourse is driven by people not getting that 1990's politics don't map perfectly to today's and getting confused.

The basic idea of the show is that old-school conservatives like Hank's dad Cotton are evil and insane but new progressive libs like that various people who come to town and cause trouble are smug assholes. Hank ends up sticking to his beliefs but learning that he has to be a little flexible now and then.

>>154183546
Cause in 97' being conservative just meant old fashioned values with preserving old culture. Nowadays to be conservative you have to support super pedoes and billionaires that actively try to make life impossible to live for anyone under a million dollars.

>>154183864
They just aren't doing anything that bites anymore. Reusing jokes and memes, feels like if George Lucas wrote the prequels and had Palpatine tell Anakin he was his father.

>>154183602
>King of the Hill allowed Hank to be wrong
I'd go as far as to say that he was usually wrong in some way, he'd either hold an opinion that was seen as wrong and then be given a new perspective, or he'd start off with the new perspective early in the episode before learning the dark side of whatever he was doing. The episodes where Hank is right all the way through were usually lead by other characters in the A plot, usually Bobby or Peggy.

>>154186265
Both sides have become increasingly unhinged over the past 20 something years.
Liberals at least (kind of) cared about normal people instead of being rainbow flag fascists

>>154186417
Bullshit. Liberals have always been champaign sipping out of touch elites who imposed their worldviews on others and didn't care for the working man.

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>>154183546
We’re at the point where /co/fags think King of the Hill was conservative just because it was set in Texas.
You know, the show where Hank works with multiple LGBTQs in his office, where Peggy has a whole episode befriending the “wholesome trans community”, the typical lifelesson Hank will learn every ep is shit like “always hire college educated women instead of men”, John Redcorn is a character and all the White characters are feeble cuckold losers, various episodes about the “plight” and “culture” of immigrants, and not even to mention the newest season where Bobby is a cuck in an “empowering” open relationship with Connie.

>>154186452
Almost every billionaire in the world gives money to conservative parties.

>>154186501
Conservative billionaire are just proud and patriotic working men who want to support their people, liberals wealthy elites are an international network of evil snakes who collude against us all and use proxies to donate to liberal parties and organisations to push their agenda against the working man.

>>154186474
Nice cope, tranny

>>154186601
This guy is probably a shitposter, but ironically he got it right.

>>154186603
That’s not what Peggy would say, chud

>>154186634
Stop seething, predditor

>>154183624
How is Mr. Birchum a "strawman constructed in the writers’ heads to lampoon conservative beliefs" when it was literally made by and for conservatives by the DailyWire?

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>>154185004
The first never worked desu, and it was more conservatives being unaware/confused by liberal methods of creating concent. The second actually gets things changed and leave cultural marks, and its how all political change is done.

>>154183637
Spanky was never funny and the writers had no idea what to do with him past season 1. Corolla is a midwit butter that his career plateaued a long time ago, who has no gratitude that his career happened at all given his lack of talent, charisma and intelligence

>>154187004
Wait a minute, that last name.

>>154186298
>>154183602
>>154183546
King of the Hill was, in general, about how Mike Judge saw his neighbors in Texas when he moved there: uptight, antiquated beliefs from shit parents, but ultimately good hearts that let them overcome that.

If you genuinely think KOTH as a show is conservative you're more than a little retarded.

>>154187035
Nice cope

>>154184685
Weird that conservatives still keep getting work in Hollywood. Vince Vaughn, Schwarzenegger, Adam Sandler, Kelsey Grammer, Mel Gibson, Jon Voight, Gary Sinise… all working.

>>154184685
>i'm being canceled! I'm a victim!
quit crying, name one fucking person who was "canceled" that didn't eventually get embraced with open arms by [opposite political media]

>>154183654
>>154183718
Why can't they make their own Hollywood then? Conserawood

>>154186417
>Both sides:./

Nope.

>>154185004
Yes and no...
You're living on another planet if you think the policies, corruption, or general tactics of the Republicans have significantly changed since Reagan. The exact same bullshit about faux fiscal responsibility and gay panic and coloreds coming for your jobs and kids played in the 80's the same as it does now.

What's changed is the amount of anger and delusion in the base. What started with the Tea Party candidates has become a full-on conspiratorial explosion among the right wing base, tipping the balance of power in the GOP fully towards the evangelicals and the most audacious liars.

>>154183706
>and have different tastes than him
Even picking charcoal before propane?

>>154187052
They did, its called Daily Wire and its been bleeding money, talent, and subscribers for a while now

>>154186265
>>154185977
Just because you were retarded children in the 90's doesn't mean conservatives were any less bigoted and corrupt
They were just more comfortable

>>154187062
Nice fanfic

>>154187080
>The first election I could vote in is coming up soon!
That's great kid, but you're kind of a dipshit if you really think Reaganites were any different from Trumpers

>>154184777
It's almost like democrats aren't as progressiv as people on the right makes them out to be

>>154187078
Go back to preddit
>>154187099
Why do you seethe at the truth so much?

>>154187043
>mel gibson
What an argument anon.

>>154184777
Wow you mean attitudes have changed in the past twenty years? My God! What’s next, are you telling me people no longer think you’re a satanist child molesting childkillernif you listen to heavy metal? Unless you’re a far-right chud nobody has a problem with women serving in the military? It’s not end of civilisation if television show had a protagonist who’s a single mother?

>>154183546
For a right-wing character to show those gay libtards that they are ruining comedy and gay, and yet his entire character trope is that he is a burly man who is obsessed with wood, frequently references big bears, and prefers the company of men over women

Sounds pretty gay to me

>>154187067
According to the daily wire having a physical safe work environment is communism

>>154187136
And also to note, Hank would beat his ass if he found out that he is Bobby Woodwork's teacher and forces him to build his deck with the other kids as he did in one of the episodes

>mr birchum is so unfunny and badly written that rightoids believe it was written by libtards in order to make them look bad
Looool

>>154187102
>>154184777
It's amazing just how little kids there understand the American political parties considered it's fucking all they talk about.

Politics now in the US is politics as was shaped by the Southern Strategy of Nixon, the sabotaging of Carter, and the elections of Reagan and Clinton.

There's a lot that could be said, it's a complicated topic, but in a nutshell:
>Nixon got in bed with the evangelicals and pivoted right wing messaging to focus hard on anti-black, anti-hippie, and anti-gay campaigns
>This boosted turnout for the new right wing base but also pushed Republican "centrists" and anyone in those maligned groups to the Democrats
>Establishment Dems, juiced by a new influx of conservative voters, refused to work with Carter and his admin floundered
>Dems used this to internally push for the left to be suppressed and nominate Clinton on Reagan talking points (his big election push issue was defunding and dismantling welfare)
>With the left moving right on most policies the right was forced to triple down on cultural arguments and evangelical shit and the conspiracy nutters Roger Stone had begun grooming

>>154186474
seek help

>>154186642
>>154187259
Don’t you have an Adventure Time thread to be trooning out in right now?

>>154187313
You are the troon

>>154183546
Preachy

>>154186501
>Almost every billionaire in the world gives money to conservative parties

they give to whatever is more advantageous to their bottom line at the moment

being preachy isn't funny even if it's on your side

>>154186474
>We’re at the point where /co/fags think King of the Hill was conservative just because it was set in Texas.

To be fair; it is Texas.

>>154188038
Based on this thread, seems more like we're at the point where "King of the Hill is not conservative" because the image of normal mainstream conservatives now are just fanatical MAGA evangelical neo-nazi nutters and Hank Hill would be too centralist or even left-leaning for their tastes.

>>154183546
The problem isn't that conservatives can't write. The issue is that this and the new norm are meant to be cheap slop and thus don't do anything besides "librards and zoomers am I rite"

>>154183602
ALSO Hank even when facing some really annoying change was willing to make a commitment without betraying his ideals.
the majority of conservatives this have zero loyalty to what they believe, they only care to ''own the left'' they will claim they want a more moral america while voting to someone who was Epstein best friend

>>154188128
>because the image of normal mainstream conservatives now are just fanatical MAGA evangelical neo-nazi nutters and

if we could take a time machine back to the 90s you would make exactly the same claim so you're not impressing/fooling anyone with this

It sucked because the audience for it was boomers.

>>154188584
No

>>154183546
right wingers are uncreative and modern right wing cartoons can never show their characters in the wrong. leftwing shows can be preachy but at least theyre creative in their preachiness. every right wing show ive seen is either a rip off or the same bland middle aged out of touch American who thinks everyone else is stupid except them. Nobody except your bitter relatives wants to watch that.

>>154188128
I'd disagree, Hank would just be a live and let live type of guy who doesn't care about politics because he's paying bills and caring more about his neighbors than what goes on in Washington/The News

Not every conservative is a trump humper; they're just really really really loud.

>>154188602
We're not all underage, zoomer. Ever heard of a little Sonic Youth tune "Youth Against Fascism?" It was no different back then, all the same stale cliches about the KKK and evangelicals.

>>154188636
>leftwing shows can be preachy
What constitutes a "left wing" show in this context? I don't remember any cartoons where they discuss Marx and call for world revolution unless they were made in the 1960s Eastern Bloc.

>>154188663
how about progressive. Maybe thats a better term to use.

>>154184777
conservatives are so stuck in the past they cant realize time is moving and things change. reminds me of when they keep mentioning democrats were the party that wanted to keep slaves. times change

>>154188692
It truly does. Democrats now support indentured servitude

>>154183654
>Jews who own Hollywood wouldn't publish Ben Shapiro conservatism
Hollywood Jews have been backstabbing liberals and leftists purely and solely over Israel.

>>154188652
evangelicals ok i get because they had a lot of power in the 80s-90s but the KKK barely even existed anymore by then and it was mostly just undercover Feds

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>>154187135
>"chud" in 2026

>>154188652
>Ever heard of a little Sonic Youth tune "Youth Against Fascism?" It was no different back then, all the same stale cliches about the KKK and evangelicals.

that's just as bad as the OP cartoon btw, bunch of scripted cliches that only appeal to those who already believe them and won't convince any outsiders

>>154183546
>stuff out of spite
vs
>stuff made out of love

>>154187135
every military man i've ever met has a problem with women in the military. None of them can do a single military thing and they wreck every training exercise they're forced into from laziness and weakness, they're kept there for image and given no expectations or discipline because they can't be replaced.

>>154188867
>I've never met a military man
neat!

>>154188638
>Hank would just be a live and let live type of guy who doesn't care about politics because he's paying bills and caring more about his neighbors than what goes on in Washington/The News
So a moderate. Not a modern conservative.
>Not every conservative is a trump humper
That silent minority does not represent the conservative movement at all. If King of the Hill came out now, people would call it woke for being sympathetic to a drag queen and minority characters.

>>154188873
We know you haven't anon, that's why you believe in GRRLbosses carrying the Navy.

>>154188652
I mean America literally had white power and nazi rallies/meetings since the 1930's so..
And unlike leftist/marxists groups, they weren't ever targeted and dismantled by the FBI or government.

>>154188867
they also just exist for the entire unit to gangbang

>>154188904
you should look up the rate they all get pregnant "accidentally" when it's time to be deployed. Hilarious

>>154188867
>I hang out with misogynists

Cool story bro

>>154188867
Maybe next we can talk about how many servicemen are rapists

>>154183546
You're a faggot if you think Mike Judge is a conservative, then again conservatism is just yesterdecade's progressivism. Regardless, you should still kill yourself, you subhuman scum.

>>154188743
>but the KKK barely even existed anymore by then and it was mostly just undercover Feds
In the South yes but Idaho in the 90s still had neo-Nazis staging public parades. crazy as shit stuff.

>>154188959
we can talk about how many there are.
Hint: it's all the Black ones.

>>154188968
>then again conservatism is just yesterdecade's progressivism

wut

>>154188949
>>154188959
>1 minute apart

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>>154188959
Yes, let's. Especially in Okinawa as the test location

>>154188968
Seethe

>>154188999
Dilate, you libtard troon

>>154189004
Tell that to yourself, buddy

>>154183546
Writers got stupid. King of the Hill isn’t Shakespeare or anything, but it’s clever and more importantly it treats its audience like they’re clever as well. Cartoons in general are just a lot dumber and treat their audience (be it adult, teen, or kid) like they’re functionally retarded.

>>154189011
>Cartoons in general are just a lot dumber and treat their audience (be it adult, teen, or kid) like they’re functionally retarded.
because Millenials started writing them

>>154188968
I'm not sure about Mike, but Hank is what the average Republican voter used to be like. Before they went crazy and started simping for Trump.

>>154188968
He was literally an Alex Jones fan but go off, queen.

>>154188987
There's a very retarded strain of delusion that believes that people who were once considered progressives are now considered conservatives despite their views not changing, it's part of a coping strategy based around ignoring how far right the overton window has shifted.

Liberals have never been progressives, and American "centrists" are just republicans that were pushed away by the blatant racism and corruption of Nixon/Reagan

see >>154187253

>>154183546
Same reason modern conservative writers fail in general: they don't want to tell a story, they want to air grievances.

>>154189146
Blue Sky is the other way.

>>154188982
>>154188996
Immediately turning to racism, very predictable.

>>154189185
If you ask what 2+2 is don't act shocked if you get told it's 4.

Hank as a character is a conservative, but the show itself is quite liberal.

>>154189689
Not really

>>154183546
I was gonna say maybe it was a generational thing but Mike Judge was born 1962 while Adam Carolla was born 1964 so they're both Boomers.

>>154189689
well that's the thing, isn't it
Ask Hank and he'd say he's a good Reagan republican like he was raised to be, but the values he associates with that group aren't the ones they have, and the ones he has aren't the ones they have. That's the source of a lot of his conflicts.

From a nonpartisan perspective Hank is a classic liberal. He thinks people should generally be allowed to do what they want with as little interference as is necessary, but that the government can and should step in to do things like ensure public safety and maintain quality controls.

>>154189693
Most episodes are
>Hank holds to some older, conservative view
>this leads to difficulty, misunderstanding, or tension that drives the episode's plot forward
>Hank learns that his understanding is flawed
>Episode resolves with him acknowledging that and adopting a different perspective.
Very rarely are his views held to be correct in an episode, unless he's giving sound advice or warning to the episode's focus.

>>154189779
>>154189778

>>154183546
Mike Judge didnt copy Family Guy

>>154189138
>muh Alex Jones
You're seriously retarded if you believe that Jones is the epitome of conservatism and right-wing ideologies in general.
>>154189091
>source: my amhole
You weren't even alive back then
>>154188999
>>154189007
>muh seethe says the subhuman
Have sex and sneed

>>154183546
Because Mr. Birchum is made as "CONSERVATIVE COMEDY" rather than comedy that happens to be conservative.

Right wingers scratch their heads at how liberals dominate Hollywood now, but it's becausse when their ideas were unpopular they'd make a good story, that was implicitly liberal, not explicit

I don't know if I'd call Tolkien right wing per se but he was a traditionalist Catholic, but when he wrote Lord of the Rings his primary objective was to tell a good story, not to evangelize

>>154189896
>Have sex and sneed
You have to, gigafag

>>154183546
Because they're bad actors

>>154189797
yeah i read your comment but you seem to be agreeing with me so I had nothing to add.

>>154190083
I’m not that anon

>>154189019
The quality of Millennial writing that makes it to production is a direct effect of what studio execs will allow to make it to production. Execs demanded dumbed down shit, so mostly dumbed down shit was greenlit. If you look into small publications or independent film that’s come out in the last 10-15 years there’s some genuinely good stuff to be found out there… it’s just that very little of it is getting picked up by major studios or publishers.

>>154183602
>I didn't even watch that shit
Then you shouldn't discuss it. I said the exact same thing to a college professor I had who was talking about some book she found offensive. "I couldn't even get past the first few pages"
>then you shouldn't be talking about it, professor
>>154183546
KotH was never a conservative show, it was a common sense show. Liberals and conservatives have both lost common sense, rendering it ironically uncommon these days.
Some things conservatives champion, even now, are common sense. Some things liberals champion, even now, are, too. But neither side will admit it about the other and that's why so much media is so awful now.
Example: I hate Ron Johnson. He's one of the most vile people to have ever entered American politics. But the Right to Try bill he authored was a good'un and now it's law. Why haven't you heard about it? Because it's a good law and good laws get sparse coverage these days. All we hear from the perpetual anger machine is everything that will enrage you and a two paragraph blurb when government actually does something good.

>>154190098
oh ok sorry

>>154189896
The fuck is an amhole? The first result I get is some Peruvian shit.
Are you Peruvian?
Or is it some zoomer slang like saying "ahh" instead of "ass" or "arse"?

>>154190170
>KotH was never a conservative show, it was a common sense show.
This

>>154190165
>>154189019
Actually this is down to the writers strike failing and all the shitty scabs that got into the industry as a result.

>>154187066
begrudgingly

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>>154189779
I'm rewatching the show and thats not even true, a lot of time he is the sane man and the guy in the right, the show even have a bunch of liberals stand ins causing issues (first episode, thanksgiving, archeology episode, liberal cool parenting episode) .

Also a lot of the times where Hank has to "learn something" is not even an exclusive conservative thing, but some very specific hang up that only he has and every other conservative around him don'tcare (like not liking miniatures, or being particulary weirded ou by dog dancing or magicians, or not touching his wife in public much). None of these are for comservative reasons, its just his "thing".

>>154183546
>shop teacher
>still has all his fingers
Even the design of Mr. Birchum outs him as a fake conservative.

>>154189701
They're early Gen Xers not boomers who would be 10+ years older. They say if you were underage when Star Wars came out you're a Gen Xer.

>>154190447
>None of these are for comservative reasons
Ur dum.

>>154190473
>They're early Gen Xers
Baby Boomers are the ones born anywhere from 1946 to 1964
1965 is the start of Gen X

>>154190503
Tell me how being the only guy on his group of conservatives to not like magicians is a conservative thing.

Him not liking miniatures is explained on the episode also, and it has nothing to do with that.

Hank has hiw own hang ups and personality traits independent of his political leanings.

>>154190544
>Baby Boomers are the ones born anywhere from 1946 to 1964
wasn't that a completely arbitrary Census Bureau definition? one fails to see how two people born 18 years apart can be of the same generation.

>>154183546
Bird cum lol

>>154190561
I think generations shouldn't be people more than 5 years apart myself.

>>154187004
>ACKCHUALLY being a whiny cunt makes me super based
omg how can I like this post????

There's a give and take. One side can't be right or wrong at all times or you just look like a blow hard

>>154186629
>b-b-b-b-b-b-but it's TWU tho!!
ok inbred
>>154187108
>preddit
But they deleted r/TheDonald

>>154185007
>>why abortions are evil
That’s just true regardless of your politics.

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>>154189185
They're nothing if not consistent

>>154190690
that's why Byron White is my favorite Supreme Court Justice. he didn't really have an ideology and just made rulings based on whatever he thought was the most sensible outcome.

>>154188890
You can't use facts against the tourists! It'll only make them madder!

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>>154188968
Mike Judge is a guy from a small town in Texas who moved to LA and was shocked at the vast amount of ridiculous performative shit everyone does there. While he never really adapted their values, he did move on from his small town outlook too until he's sort of in the middle. Which is why all of his sows have an Anderson naive old country guy, and a Van Driessen liberal moron hippie guy.

Matt and Trey from South Park had a similar culture shock. They had some small town values from their youth, relocated to LA which is basically another planet populated by a different species. They never switched 100% to that and liked to point out the dumb shit LA people say and do a lot, while still looking back and making fun of the dumb hick stuff of their hometown. So they have characters like Jimbo and Ned, and Aging Liberal Hippie Douche. They were making fun of liberals placing people in concentration camps for being problematic back in 2006.

>>154189779
Also sometimes he will get the new hipster character to slow down and adapt to his ways. Like when he got Bobby and the teen help girl to just work on a car silently. Or when he got the porn stars to like the small town atmosphere.

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>>154190447
>whole argument is going "nuh-UH!" and using a fucking basedjak
How embarrassing.

>>154185004
Spoken like a true pozzed faggot who wants to allow globalists to fuck over the country and kill your kind...

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>>154190553

>>154190699
Well, don't have one if you don't like them

Was OP really expecting an actual answer and not schizophrenics flinging shit at each other?

>>154187004
The main difference here is that somewhere around the mid 2010s people stopped being able to recognize what is just plain dumb nigger shit.

Toothless ghetto moron trying to sound political by making up 3 syllable words and then wanting money because...fuck you just give money! now is just plain ol dumb nigger shit. Ignore it and more on. But never give it a platform.

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>>154190801
>2020+6
>using "pozzed" unironically

>>154190822
>just let other people kill infants, bro, it’s not affecting you

>>154187004
>those old ugly boomer lesbians in the audience

>>154186681
>How is Mr. Birchum a "strawman constructed in the writers’ heads to lampoon conservative beliefs" when it was literally made by and for conservatives by the DailyWire?
The DailyWire is not very smart.

>>154190857
Yeah.
You're only allowed to kill them after they've been born.

>>154190749
Pretty much this.

Hank is more of a self insert for Judge who got himself into the Hollywood production circles and maintained some element of self awareness and questioned their odd things like
>Why are we setting up a $2.2 million gala just to raise $300K charity for the environment?
>Why do you invent elaborate red tape and procedures for something you can write off right now with the clipboard in your hand?
>Why do these guys who live in tiny studio apartments, and barely afford rent spending hundreds of trendy lunches?

King of the Hill was basically Judge's personal adventures in being a small town guy navigating the wackyness of 90s Hollywood events, circles, and eating habits.

>>154190928
I think it's easier to say Beavis and Butt-Head was Mike judge making fun of all the low class bullshit that happened in his home town in Texas.
Then King of the Hill was Mike pointing out all the insane stuff he had to deal with after moving to Burbank when making Beavis and Butt-Head.

Everyone in LA is pretty much a flyover state rube who went there hoping to "make it" in entertainment. Unless you're a nepo babby like Randy Newman or something.

>>154190696
Keep seething

>>154190963
The Simpsons started out that way, the writers made fun of their small town upbringings but then eventually they forgot a world existed outside LA so the show just became about the Simpsons meeting celebrities and going to art festivals and other trendy shit.

>>154190792
You wish

>>154190964
Or, well, was. Today it's only nepo babbies since aspiring creatives stopped going there since the late 00s.

Honestly, even when Hank was portrayed in-universe as being "in the right" he kinda wasn't. One episode he was arguing with a cashier who pointed out that it was physically and legally impossible, Hank was still treated as being the reasonable one

>>154183618
The Goode Family sucked too

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>>154190991
>uhhhh... well... u mad!!!!!
>>154191003
>still going NO U
I remember when trolls used to make an effort, damn it

>>154191011
Unlike KOTH

>>154191026
Sorry that you can't handle the truth

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>>154190792
I literally named the episodes

A show like Birchum would never have a character like Dale, someone getting cucked, be someone we're meant to like

>>154192461
They would make Dale getting cucked his main character trait and not an aspect of his life that doesn't always get brought up
Every joke would be "Dale's a cuck and he tries to cope that it's fine and progressive but he's close to killing himself"

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KOTH always seemed to me to be entertainment first, foremost, and almost exclusively. It was not created to be a vehicle for political opinions or to speak to a particular party affiliation or as a reaction to other political opinions or cartoons which may have been created for that purpose.
It didn't seem to me like it was looking for a specific audience, only give entertainment to what many people found relatable. A lot of people know a Hank Hill. A boomhauer. A Bill Dauterive. A Dale Gribble. A Peggy Hill, and so on. Either in abstract or in less exaggerated terms.
I might have missed the mark on some of this, but that was the impression I got from KOTH.

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>>154191005
Part of the reason why media has gotten really bad in the West is because poorer people have been priced out of being able to enter the writers room. LA is unaffordable to anyone that isn't a richoid's nephew. The rich grow up in the most conflict-free lifestyle possible, which makes their writing sterile because they don't really have any interesting anxieties, fixations, or life experiences to draw on.

I can't help but think that Smiling Friends, Backrooms, Haha You Clowns, TADC, and so on blew up because they don't have the nepo-baby stink on them. Newgrounds and Youtube are available to any poor schmuck, so you can cultivate a fanbase and eventually convince some wealthy vampire to part with a pittance of his horde to let you make an actual fucking show.

because it was smarter. writers were smarter, well-red.

>>154183546
Talent.

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Do you retards realize that nearly all Christian media or media that's clearly inspired by the Bible is more right wing than left?

Why do lefties pretend like they are the only people capable of making a good show?

>>154183546
Pandering vs Authentic.

>>154193731
There's good right wing media (I like the earlier parts of Fables, for a /co/-related example) but the modern right winger seems to be paranoid that they'll be shut down before they ever get to make anything, which is odd considering that they have numerous right-wing media ecosystems to build off of.

I think the other problem is that many younger conservatives are extremely far-right and you can't really eke any artistic expression that would interest normal people from the guys that post groypers and call other people "the raped" online.

>>154194183
>I think the other problem is that many younger conservatives are extremely far-right and you can't really eke any artistic expression that would interest normal people from the guys that post groypers and call other people "the raped" online.
what these guys want is stuff like legalized fully automatic weapons, overturning the Civil Rights Act, and putting the age of consent to 10 rather than the softy boomer Facebook Republican that the OP show presumably targets.

>>154193731
>Do you retards realize that nearly all Christian media or media that's clearly inspired by the Bible is more right wing than left?
Yeah but everyone and their mother just twist their tales to fit their narratives. No one actually wants the biblical law because of its just bronze age retardation by all reasonable metrics.

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>>154183546
its not just conservatives
its most modern cartoons in general
koth was written like it was made by someone that actually observed humans in real life while also making the animation charming (holy shit, putting effort into the visual aspects of a visual medium, what a shocker)
animation was always seen as "for kids unless it's comedy" for years and we haven't moved from that somehow

>>154193731
only because when whites discovered america, they had already taken a religion whose main figure is actually brown but they pretended otherwise
it'd unironically make more sense if whites sticked to norse shit but they already allowed marvel to trick the public into thinking they invented thor

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>>154183546
there are so many things wrong with modern animation yet people here will make it a "left vs right" thing when the problems go beyond that

>>154187253
>he fell for the southern strategy myth
lmao, the south was swing territory after 1964, they only went fully with republicans during landslides, and only on the presidential level

>>154194876
No, bagel

>>154183546
The world changed so fast back then it was easier write, now everything changes at a snails pace

>>154190964
That was what it used to be. Now it's pretty much 2nd through 4th generation Hollywood personalities who got their job because their grandfather was something special.

>>154191005
>>154193429
>>154195182
Pretty much.
The entire creative direction of entertainment these days are nepo babies that got their cushy job based on what family they come from and they have zero life experience. So they cannot really write anything at all,

>>154191063
Of course.

>>154195292
Independently creating entertainment is a thing anyone can do and has proven to have a lot of potential for success. This is no longer an excuse.

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>>154183546
Because they're making media not because they have a story to tell but because they want to be the opposite to the "librul" media they perceive. They want to shut up those types by saying "See we can do what you do but better and with better messages!" without realizing they're doing neither. They're basically selling shitty bootlegs to the type of people who think they're trying to bring America back to "simpler times" but the filthy troonoids teamed up with the niggers to stop us from entering the supposed golden age their nostalgia tells them they lived in.

>>154195352
that's just not true. Vivzie is rich as FUCK. Most of these "indie" shows get picked up by big studios like Netflix who agree with their lefty politics.
The rare few who don't, like Space King, have to be absurdly lucky and capitalise off parodying very pre-popular media like WH40K to sell enough merch and self-fund. Satina is dead because it didn't have that.

>>154183546
I love KOTH, didn't care at all for Mr. Birchum but I do feel bad for Adam Carolla that he finally gets to make his show, only to be have it made by The Daily Wire.

Off-topic: I know this one jackass who hated KOTH. HATE, HATE, HATED IT. He believed it was some far-right conservative show and hated it for years, shitting on it whenever he got the chance. Only when Mr. Birchum came out, did he suddenly do a 180 and now sings the praises of KOTH and denies every saying about it. Which alright, KOTH is great...but then he goes and shits on Beavis and Butthead, which further proves he was only into KOTH because "it aligns with my views".

>>154195392
ALL indie programs have to be extremely lucky, the lefty ones don't get a pass because they aren't right-coded, they get a pass because they're quality. I don't consume any of them but I can acknowledge TADC and Hazbin both have very obvious appeal and I totally understand why they took off. My point is, no one's stopping right-leaning creatives from making their own projects outside of the Hollywood sphere of influence. It'll be a lot harder but if you have that drive it can be done.

>>154190699
If you're a brain dead idiot, yes.

>>154196152
Shut up, millenoid

>>154194798
What the fuck does that have to do with most Christian movies and shows being right wing

>>154196167
Fuck kinda insult is that supposed to be?

>>154183546
Because Mike Judge isn't on the List of slave conspiracists.

>>154196241
Pretty self explanatory

>>154190857
Here's something you're too dumb to understand. Abortions aren't killing babies.

>>154194435
Those are looneytoonarians not "conservatives"

>>154194848
>koth was written like it was made by someone that actually observed humans in real life while also making the animation charming

This is actually what Hayao Miyazaki was talking about int he infamous anime was a mistake screencap, though he didn't say those words. A fundemental problem he had with modern animators that as he put it "they hate looking at people". He felt most were otakus who grew up on animation and hated interacting with the real world. Therefore the kind of stories and animation they produced merely regurgitated tropes from things they liked, the characters acting on archtypes rather then being based on how people actually act.

>>154195182
Nobody moves to California anymore since it's become an unlivable shithole since 2008.

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Real conservative cartoons just borrow existing IPs and animate them with crazy new premises. We reboot things because we don't want anything new, because anything new tends to be fruity!

>>154196369
Nobody moves there since all studio jobs changed from salaried positions to temporary gigs with lots of downtime in between. People cannot afford to live there when studios refuse to keep anyone employed more than 4-5 months.

>>154185007
Because it's funny retard. Fuck liberal Hollywood.

>>154187045
Ethan Van Sciver. But it doesn't really matter because there is no opposite political media besides podcasts and going indie.

>>154187043
All washed up nobodies that keep quiet because they're the only one's not allowed to share political views.

>>154188692
>>154187135
The past was better. You're a tranny.

>>154202426
Ok, Junior

All these people saying both sides as if liberals haven't been fanning the flames of degenerate Godlessnes their whole lives. Kill trannies. Kill blacks.

>>154202442
Ok faggot.

>>154188740
Some of them have, some of them haven't. There are plenty of Jews who realize life in the West is way cushier for them than Israel when they welfare max.
Israel is a pet project for some kikes sure, but others go all in on wanting to just stay in the West and leech here even though they are digging their own graves by destabilizing White nations (the only places they can live comfortably and use their +50 deception/disguise bonus)
TLDR, Jews have zero long term plan on either side, only the short term

>>154202454
Jews are retarded.

>>154184643
It was dying since the 1950's. Honestly you could argue the seeds were planted when Abe Lincoln died before he could get deport the blacks like he wanted and Jews started moving to the US more and more

>>154187062
>conspiratorial
It literally is a conspiracy to destroy White people.
I can't believe people say it's a theory when we SEE the declining White population and the people in charge saying this is exactly what they want while gleefully rubbing their hands. No one is saying that there is literal laws that say you cannot hire White people or treat them as second class. Everyone is saying that is de facto the case and if you don't address it you are being fundamentally dishonest.

>>154202459
In long term planning, yes. In short term planning, no.
They know how to make money fast in the short term and practice insane nepotism for their own people, but they utterly fail to reinvest in the countries that allow them to get rich and instead just squeeze them more and more financially and undermine them politically as well

>>154202480
All post-industrial countries are seeing people having less kids. Japan and South Korea have massive issue with it. But let me guess, Jews did that too.

>>154202452
You are that
>>154202456
Of corse you like it

>>154183546
Surprisingly, there are alot of mr birchum porn, but i cant find one with his step daughter tho

>>154183546
it was mean spirited in a way that wasn't funny.

>>154190553
hey it's almost like every episode isn't the same story despite hank's upbringing being wrong featuring prominently in most episodes
you should really get paid to pick all these cherries

>>154190749
No cunt, he's from the suburbs of Albuquerque New Mexico.
King of the Hill isn't about but was inspired by the people he met when he moved to a suburb in Texas.

You're such a dipshit

>>154202936
You are wrong

>>154193429
>in the West
subtle

>>154183546

If Judge did it perfectly then why did his show get cancelled.

>>154203455
Why are you stupid?

>>154203455
Isn't Season 15 of KotH out in just over a month's time?
With Seasons 16 and 17 set for 2027 and 2028 releases?

>>154203455
Better to end the show after 13 seasons than become Zombie Simpsons, but in Texas.
And the revival is set to have at least 4 seasons of its own.

Birchum and Hank are basically the same character except one has humility and flaws like an actual human being and is thus more likeable

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>has a perfectly diverse group of friends to show how not racist he and the showrunners are
It's amazing that both sides feel the need to do this forced diversity thing to prove some sort of point. In either case it ends up with a horribly unrealistic cast of characters. All of Hank's friends are white and no one cares.

>>154205265
>All of Hank's friends are white and no one cares.
With the exception of Redcorn and Son.

>>154205607
I don't know if I'd consider Redcorn a "friend" of Hank's. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall them ever hanging out one-on-one without some ulterior common goal in mind. A better example would be Enrique and even he's more of a work friend

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>>154205607
John Redcorn has a son?

>>154186501
gotta spend money on the party thats willing to sell its morals

It's why things on the left often suck too. The creators value the politics and their personal political views and message over just making something good first and foremost. It's how that kind of media is almost always some kind of insane strawman pointing fingers at someone.

>>154206870
If you don’t watch or read anything and get all your information from twitter and shitposte

>>154183546
Modern conservative cannot laugh at themselves or the ideologies they represent. Their humor is laughing at faggots because they are old lazy whites brain broken by the American Excellence propaganda.

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>>154203455
>cancelled

King Of The Hill isn't/wasn't supposed to be conservative