How does /co/ stand with Grant Morrison?
>>154186026he's an awful hack loved by midwits
Hate New X-MenLike Batman and RobinThink most of his fans are insufferable cunts
>>154186026I like his work but he's also the Michael Kirkbride of /co/ where his fans are somehow way more pretentious than he is because at least he seems to prefer having fun and imagination.
>>154186026He has bigger and worse skeletons in his closet than Gayman. It's why he tried that retarded they/them shit.
>>154186102Nice seething
>>154186534other way around for melove his marvel shit, his dc stuff is overrated.Though his early Batman stuff is pretty good
I heard John Ostrander kicked his ass in Suicide Squad?
>>154186026He is a good writer but his overly focus on meta narrative and breaking 4th wall gets tiring after some time and makes him look like a one trick pony.I like a bunch of comics by him, but a lot of his most recent stuff feels like DC masturbating themselves over hiw iconic the characters are. Unironically insisting upon itself.
>>154187249>He is a good writer but his overly focus on meta narrative and breaking 4th wallgood writers don't do those cheap gimmicks in the first place
>>154187331Your mom is a cheap gimmick.
>>154186026He good. Done some great stuff. Also done some slop.
>>154186026I'd say mozzers hit/miss ratio is a lot better than a lot of his peers (imo Moore has a lot more complete stinkers.)Doom Patrol and The Invisibles are two of my favorite comics. ASS is also probably the second best limited run Superman story of all time l. the goat is Moore's Supreme and if you disagree you are wrong I was far more obsessed with their work back in my early twenties. I haven't reread the Bat epic since it originally came out, I have the first tpb they put out recently, I got to the Joker prose issues and I just can't give a shit.
Alan Moore is 4chanGrant Morrison (who uses they/them pronouns) is tumblr
>>154189410Alan Moore is far more Reddit than 4chan.
>>154189473Yeah we're too pleb for Morrison. 4chan is probably Mark Waid.
>>154186026I enjoy placing his works next to Alan Moore's in my shelf.
Animal Man cartoon based on his run would be fun
>>154186026>How does /co/ stand with Grant Morrison?I get next to him and remain upright on my feet
I like when he goes full retarded meta like multiversity or final crisis.
>>154187210What's your opinion on his 2000AD work like Zenith?
I like the bloke, I don't have a problem with him.
where did come all that gender bulshit with him?
>>154190080He was always a crossdressing gender weirdo. Introduced Danny the Street in Doom Patrol back in 1990.
>>154189808Nta, but I like Zenith way more than Animal Man and Doom Patrol. Phases 3 and 4 in particular. He wrote these at around the same time.
>>154188951I think Moore has a better ratio. Morrison has a lot of misses for me, especially all the shit he's done since Multiversity.
I liked All-Star Superman, Final Crisis and The Multiversity. The only Marvel book of his that I liked was Marvel Boy.
I still don't understand why Detective Comics never did anything the Orrery model.
>>154190101You are the troon
>>154191057Everyone else in the company was dumb enough to think The Empty Hand was something the heroes could punch into submission, these concepts are beyond them.
>>154190516Eh, different strokes and all that. I don't think Moore's written a good comic in a very long time, and a lot of his output during the 90s was very obviously just cashing a check. I think his highs are higher than Mozzer, but I think Grant has been a lot more consistent. I just read Moore's Violator mini and it's the most "I am writing this for a paycheck" tier shit ever.It's also sort of weird that, outside of Swamp Thing, Moore's never really had a a consistent run on a book.
Alan Moore but bald.
>>154186102
>>154192042>It's also sort of weird that, outside of Swamp Thing, Moore's never really had a a consistent run on a book.He lost interest in doing more than 12 issues of a story in general, but he did spend more time on his own Tom Strong and Promethea.
>>154192482Ah, yeah, I forgot about Promethea. His Tom Strong run is pretty short, though, only 23 issues. And, man, that book takes a fucking nosedive when he leaves.
>>154186026you really couldn't find a picture taken this decade? or even last decade?
>>154186026
>>154187221kek, yes. He dies from writer's block.
>>154192594He also did the Tom Strong anthology book with Steve Moore doing the Jonni Furture stories
>>154187249I love the 4th wall shitGrants approach is better anf mor unique than the usual dradpool/Rick and morty "whoa that just happened" type of bullshit
>>154191100I always though it was the idea of exploring these worlds. Granpáverse is the only current work that fits that description (Gargoyle of Gotham, Earth-46).
>>154192042The only long run of Morrison's I liked was The Invisibles.
>>154186026He's a good writer and I like most of his stuff but he overuses the meta narrative 4th wall stuff. It's cool the first time you read it but feels likes a crutch the more times you see it in his work, and his fans are the most pretentious assholes on the planet.
>>154186026Klaus was fun
>>154193913Really? Interesting, I feel like his JLA is kind of untoppable, as far as cape comics go. Invisibles is really good, but much more niche.
>>154194172>He's a good writer and I like most of his stuff but he overuses the meta narrative 4th wall stuff.Considering he's using his comics as a conduit for his chaos casting, this isn't surprising.
>>154187249Pretty much. Sometimes he's charming, other times his writing ends up taking your investment away.
I suppose of what I've read I liked more than I didn't. I liked his Superman, I liked Animal Man, I liked PARTS of multiversity
>chaos magician
>>154194391I thought it was boring and the art stunk.
>>154186026I enjoy most of his work. Guy has a great understanding of comics as a medium and it's always a treat to see his biro thumbnail sketches in the back of a TPB
>>154186026I used to like him a lot more in my early 20s. He's still one of the very best we've ever had though.
>>154186026I love him, his green lantern and blackstar are good comicbooks. And filtered some people same happened with his action comics years ago.
>>154189473NahIf we're talking talent and writing sensibilities its more like 4chan is Chris-Chan
>>154187331Tolkien did it
>>154191096The troon is actually the alchemical hermaphroditic rebris aka that bandaged guy who was 1 girl 1 black nurse and 1 dude who layed an egg of himself.Im not off my meds grant Morrison is fuck you
>>154194405>chaos castingHis what?
>>154202416Fuck you, stupid faggot
>>154202416You have issues.
>>154186102/thread
>>154189606the one where starfire rapes that kid?
>>154202424The Rebis (from the Latin res bina, meaning dual or double matter)[2] is variably identified as either or both the end product of the alchemical magnum opus (or great work)[3][4] or/and the initial state of matter.[5] It is heavily associated with the principle of hermaphroditism, or the combination of the male and female sexes into one being.[3]YOU DIDNT READ THE FUCKING BOOK
>>154202491Filtered
>>154202433Your mother will get gangbanged by indians in her sleep tonight.
>>154202535So?
>>154202420Morrison is a chaos magician, he uses his comics as a type of hypersigil to get results in his real life. You can generally track what he's trying to accomplish when you look at the broad strokes outcomes of the stuff that happens in his stories (i.e. if the MC is focused on getting some fuck, that's Morrison trying to manifest sex in his real life through the power of his sigils).
>>154187125What do you think he's done?
>>154186026>at firstFuck yeah!>but thenThis guy suckkkkkkkksssss!>and thenHe'll always have ASS.
>>154202612Sigils work, im an /x/ fag and can attestI found dre3 money and a bunch of chubby white chicken love me
>>154204772>im an /x/ fagCouldn't tell by how retarded you type
>>154202612So far as we know, only Invisibles included any kind of sigil work. From what they've said (I seem to recall an interview somewhere like a decade ago) they still do some meditation/energy stuff but they aren't as hardcore into as they were in the late 90s/early 2000s.
>>154186026Idk about his Marvel Works but DC was a dice roll.New 52 Superman? Trash.Batman around the mid 2000s? Not that bad, though I dislike some of his decisions, like making Talia a rapist
>>154204976>they
>>154205071>>154205137Got a problem with that, madam?
>>154205170Yeah because Morrison himself said he doesn't care what people call him so this is performative virtue signalling BS. Get that shit out of here.
>>154186026He cray-cray
>>154205199If they don't care, then it doesn't matter. It seems like having a mini-melty about it seems a lot more virtue-signaly, you daft cunt.
>>154205278It doesn't matter yet you go out of your way to honor his heckin' pronouns in a thread he will probably never read. Ok leftycuck.
>>154205199If you say so, lady.
>>154205170Cuck or fag?
>>154205636Neither, I just really love giving people a taste of their own medicine.
>>154186026hes kino
>>154202612holy based I really need to get around to reading invisibles to see how one can learn these powers
>>154186026Mostly good, some bad, some mediocre. Superman & The Authority was a letdown but apparently it was made to stop Didio from turning Superman into a fascist? >>154202612>>154204976I didn't know about that sigil stuff, but I remember reading the first issue of Morrison's Annihilator comic about a Hollywood screenwriter who couldn't get work. It felt like Morrison was more interested in seething over being unable to get a break in Hollywood (especially compared to Millar) than writing an engaging story.
>>154205350Listen lady, call down, you're being hysterical right now.
>>154208649Yeah, I remember thinking Annihilator was pretty disappointing.
>>154186026Ruined the X-men. Probably surpassing the damage that Hickman did to the X-men.
>>154208812>Ruined the X-men.That was Claremont.
>>154202402Ouch.
>>154209780No, contrarian
>>154186026One of those people who are both good and overrated
>>154210458All good comic writers are overrated, because there's no one better. There aren't any great comic writers yet.
>>154211045No
>>154191057>>154191100The Orrery Model is nothing more than a presentation of pre-existing ideas that doesn't mean much. Furthermore, if a writer wants to use a multiversal element but disagrees with Morrison's take then it requires editorial approval to do something different than what is establish, so why bother?
>>154194391>>154197095His JLA has a lot of problems if you're a fan of characters other than Superman or Batman, especially WW and MM, and everyone kind of ignores some of the themes he was trying in the back half of the run like the mythological stand-in stuff.
>>154211062Elaborate.
>>154210440Yes, sheep.
>>154211045You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but Moore. He's the one comics writer that even normies who otherwise spit on comics consider actually good, and Watchmen the only cape comic that ever gets on serious best-of lists with real big-boy books.
/co/ used to revere Morrison. What happened? Is it just faggot sperging about the trans thing? Sure he's past his golden years now but he was on fire for two decades or so.
>>154212901Honestly, it's mostly his rabid fanbase pissing people off. But I think there has been a general reassessment of Morrison starting with Final Crisis that has pointed out his consistent thematic repetition without further elaboration or development of his themes, overuse of callbacks and references, patches of slipshod writing, insertion of personal opinions about other's work, poor professional behavior, and use of retcons to promote his preferred, or avoid having to deal with his disliked, takes on characters. But mostly it's the rabid fanbase of pseuds who got introduced to non-linear narratives, metafiction, and writing as a form of sigil magic through Morrison and don't realize all that shit is pretty common in fiction - even among other comic writers. Fucking fanboys.
>>154213273>overuse of callbacks and references, I guess I could see someone saying this, but I always thought this was one of Morrison's greatest strengths. So many writers (and readers) complain about continuity being a straitjacket limiting storytelling, or else are such slaves to it that their work is indecipherable (e.g., "if you haven't read every single appearance of the Avengers you will have no idea what's going on"). Morrison manages to thread that needle by being able to draw deeply from continuity but use it in surprising and interesting ways.
>>154207481Honestly, it's not the sigil work itself that's the hard part. Any asshole can draw a wacky symbol and jerk off to it to get some results. The hard part is trying to perpetually maintain what you have obtained through chaos magick, because by its very nature it is unstable, and many boons that get gifted can just as easily be taken away. The forces of chaos always push us in directions we cannot completely control, and if you pursue the path of chaos magick, you must do so knowing that your success is fleeting. This is partly why enochian (and to a lesser extent, goetian) magick is generally considered much more powerful, since you are basically putting your future in the hands of greater beings at the cost of having zero control of the path to get there, which is genuinely terrifying and often leads to some pretty intense pain of all kinds (you'll get lasting success, but your entire life will be completely uprooted in the process).
>>154213604Morrison frequently doesn't use it in surprising or interesting ways, he just references it.
>>154186026Certainly not in front of him, that's for sure.
>>154194405>>154202420>>154202612Is their any validity to chaos magik or is it just schizo posturing? I honestly dont know if any magic/magik is real anymore?
>>154215479no, none of it is real>>154212901he hasn't had a new idea since the 80s and his rehashes of old ideas keep getting worse and worsenone of it was particularly amazing to begin with
>>154213922That's definitely not true.
>>154203785everything I'd hope.
>>154207481if you're going to read invisibles try and clear your expectations.
>>154215479There's plenty of validity to using chaos magick to get what you want, but you have to understand that it isn't miracle work. You can't just release a sigil for wealth and suddenly become a multi-millionaire overnight unless circumstances would have given you a chance for that to happen anyway. What chaos magick does is nudge the odds in your favor in any given instance. So, using the wealth example, making a sigil for wealth would aid in your ability to get a raise at work, or help you find more loose pocket money in your day to day life. Like most things, using chaos magick to completely change your life takes time, patience and imagination (in the sense that you have to be able to visualize what it is you actually want), because unlike ritual magick it puts the power in your hands, turning it into a tool.
>>154186026nigga went they/them for a while so he's a certified faggot
>>154211273>Furthermore, if a writer wants to use a multiversal element but disagrees with Morrison's take then it requires editorial approval to do something different than what is establish, so why bother?That hasn't been the case since Death Metal. The current editorial stance about contradicting previous stories is "Who cares?">>154213922I read through the original Justice League of America comics, and for the most part they're either dull or dumb. I'm grateful that a tasteful guy like Morrison did a much better execution on those ideas.
>>154186026He's bretty good but Dave McKean carried his ass hard on Arkham Aslume. Pure schizo nonsense.
I like everything I've read by him except for his New X-Men, which is weird because that seems to be his highest profile run at this point.
>>154217883I'd say his biggest evergreen book is All Star Superman.
>>154186026I wouldn't kick Morrison out of bed. I'd creep into the room, shoot him in the face while he slept, then torch the entire building. Fuck that guy.
>>154218077ow the edge
>>154218077Why did you need to lead with a gay sex joke to get to your point?
>>154218113I don't think that was a joke.
>>154212862He's good, not great.
>>154219334For someone who is only good, he sure did shape the entire modern age. Guess everyone else is just that bad.
>>154219386That's correct.
>>154216967Isn't he still doing that?
>>154218044ASS for later, more approachable Morrison, probably Animal Man for the older, weirder shit.
>>154186026>His Doom Patrol is good>Flex Mentallo is good>His Animal Man is good>His Batman and Robin is good>His Flash is good>Multiversity is good>We3 is good>His JLA is ok>His X-Men is okWhy would I not like him? Cause Final Crisis is eh and Seven soldiers is needlessly complex? If he does good work he does good work.
>>154188951>>154204722>>154222118Ahuhuh, they said ASS, Beavis.
>>154222793>And on a completely ridiculous note: All–Star Superman is perhaps the most difficult–to–abbreviate comic title since Preacher: Tall in the Saddle. Did you realize this going in?>GM: Going into what? Going into ASS itself? In the sense of how did I feel as I slowly entered ASS for the first time? It never crossed my mind…
>>154222774Final Crisis is proof to me that you cannot do a good crossover event. There's cool bits and ideas in it, but it's ruined by the very medium in which the story is being conveyed.
