Eric Kripke just posted the original pitch document for his adaptation of The Boys.
the freakin F word???
>>154191768About Reality?
>>154191768>First word of the pitch is "fuck". They knew from the beginning that they'd overuse that word.>Season 1: 400>Season 2: 373>Season 3: 474>Season 4: 537>Season 5: 599>Total uses of the word "fuck": 2,383
>>154191768>THIS SHOW IS ABOUT REALITY!!!!No it's not. Not even close.
>>154191768This explains why the show ruined characters like Tek Knight and Love Sausage. Kripke sounds like he hates superheroes more than Ennis. I am glad he didn't get to ruin Super Duper.
>>154191768This must be the famous jewish intellect I've heard so much aboutDid he not talk about eating shit once in the original pitch?
>>154191961Ennis doesn't even hate superheroes. He just doesn't love them and thinks it's fun to fuck with them.
>>154191923Still less than the average Vivslop episode.>>154191961I think he hates Orange Man more because ever since season 3 the show obsessed over him to the detriment of the narrative.
>>154193291I thought Ennis loved Superman.
the idea of the intelligence team defeating supes without powers and doing it blue collar seems amazing.I imagine is incredibly hard to do too. You would need a good team of writers that know their stuff around tradecraft.Imagine a reality were Amazon did not put the billions into Rings of Powers and instead the use that money to create a tiger team of writers elaborating on this premise.Imagine a reality were Warren Ellis turn down Castlevania and is put in that team instead.
Hugh Campbell leading a new Boys team could do something like that. New young recruits he leads into intelligence operations.
>>154191768>the public faces of politicians, celebrities, athletes and superheroesIt's too bad he forgot this part halfway through, and sacrificed the budget + writing crying about only one politician to win twitter arguments.
>>154195008The same happened with Mr. Robot team. The election of the president of the United States broke them
>>154195021TLDR on that?And any other examples?IIRC OK-KO's creator blamed Trump for the show getting cancelled.
>>154191961Kripke's pitch reads like if Warren Ellis was pitching Garth Ennis' project to someone
>>154195060not much is publicly know. However you can see the end of S1 was pointing into a clear argumental direction and during S2 the figure of the united states president is just hamfisted into the plot without the same care S1 had about plot. Feels super forced and the change of direction is totally perceivable.
>>154194561>the idea of the intelligence team defeating supes without powers and doing it blue collar seems amazing.It's kind of all I really want out of this kind of show. The Boys, Marshal Law, X vs the marvel universe, they all just kind of fall into this trap of giving the main characters superpowers as well and then they just...punch the heroes to death. Or shoot them.I want a show where 90% of the episode is just guys trying to figure out how to get around someone's superpower. Carefully executed plans that occasionally go wrong instead of 'lets just jump out of a van and hit the hero with a crowbar.' Make it more of a heist movie than anything else.
>>154195797yes. YES.
>>154191923It's more natural than Vivziepop's crap.
>>154193716>>154196478No, it's not, and her stuff is bad enough.
>>154191961>Tek KnightIt sucks that they lost their budget after the first season. Tek Knight never wore his suit in the show.
>>154191961Is that supposed to be Sister Sage?
>>154196789That's Auntie Sis. I don't think Sister Sage is in the comic.
https://x.com/NemesisDoc11974/status/2061393351216083358
>go to other timeline>in this one all the 4chan autists are the writers guild and the writers guild are the terminally online losers>the pitch is the exact same except all the anti-right wing references are madlib'd out with anti-left wing ones and a dry cynical tone is preferred instead of FUCKFUCKFUCK>writers guild is on 4chan bitching about it
>>154191923>>154196478Wolf Of Wall Street uses it 569 times in a single film.You can get away with excessive use of the word if you actually have the writing talent.Especially when excessive use hints to characterization
>>154196949>Homelander if he was goodButcher would still be the villain in this timeline?
>>154196741We were robbed.
>>154196741What they did to him in the show was so disrespectful>>154197072I mean if this is the comic continuity then yes, it would be even more of a tragedy when he snaps and discovers he was gaslit by Noir.
>>154195797Ya know the only reason that Marshall law and the boys works like they do is because the "superheros" in their universes are just idiots with powers who never have to use them against an opposing force. The heroes from DC and Marvel actually have villains and disasters to combat so they know how to use and apply their abilities. If Butcher tried to kill spider-man he'd end up hanging from a lamppost.
>>154191768The boys? More like the goys
>>154197170tek knight was so based
>>154191768This reads like some gen-x bs. I hate that generation so much
>>154197033>Wolf of Wallstreet>Writing talentPay more attention dumbass, you're falling for bitch eating crackers syndrome. All of those works are equally shit in their writing, you just personally like some more than others so you give it a pass. I swear self-awareness on 4chan used to be better than this.
>>154195797>>154194561This is the actual premise of THE BOYS, the comic, named after The Boys, the group. The Boys are called "The Boys" because they are British slang for a street gang seeking vigilante justice. The premise of the boys is very anti authority. And its actual plot is focused on humans holding superheroes accountable - with very creative violence. Since the boys is a pro establishment show, they cant actually have the boys be successful or proactive in the violence they inflict. The celebrities abusing power arent actually killed - they get redemption arcs, or killed by outside forces. Because we cant have the normies think they can take matters into their own hands - unless of coursr, its political violence meant to be televised, before returning to the status quo. For all the flaws of the boys as a comic, it is better at actually making it about the boys.
>>154197660>bitch eating crackers syndromeIs this some new grifter term like “safe edgy”?
>>154197355Marvel and DC stories use a different brand of retardation to get their point across. Marshal Law and The Boys do retardation for laughs and to poke fun, while Marvel/DC stories do retardation to build tension/add stakes and drama.
>>154199224>The Boys do retardation for laughs and to poke fun,I think you mean unquenchable seething rage and hatred. Ennis is basically an Arab at a bar mitzvah.
>>154197533That generation created zoomers. How did that even happen?
>>154198794Yes
>>154196741>to prove I'm not gay I'm gonna fuck a man's corpseThis guy is so deep in the closet it calls into question his writer's sexuality
No funny shit, one thing I never see used in Evil Superman discussions is what happens when Evil Superman doesn’t try to conquer the world or anything, he just becomes an evil NEET who takes whatever he wants whenever he wants.I mean, who really wants to rule the world? It would be exhausting. Just have Evil Superman spend all his time getting hammered or stoned or even raping women or whatever and bitchslapping whoever gets in his way to death.You could even do a SEE THIS IS WHAT INCELS ARE LIKE tidbit if you really want to make it political.
>>154191768The more I find out about modern Hollywood the more I become convinced that I can genuinely do a better job writing a show than most of the assholes currently working in it. I mean what the fuck is this shit? It sounds like something written by an edgy 14 year.
>>154199951Not really an incel if he’s raping people. But I suppose the retards who say that shit never really cared about that aspect in the first place.
>>154196851she was the black girl that took the fall for the coup
>>154200092>The more I find out about modern Hollywood the more I become convinced that I can genuinely do a better job writing a show than most of the assholes currently working in it.
>>154191961First of all, Ennies doesn't hate superheroes. Anyone who references obscure Jack Kirby comics and really weird facts about comic books doesn't strike me as someone who hates the genre. Kripke, on the other hand, focuses on television, which is something he grew up with
>>154191768>Fifth paragraphINTO LE TRASH GOES>is like mbappe meet vinicius meet raphinhaWhen you see these kind of definitions, run, run from it far farwary. They are utter stupid.
>>154191768Holy f*cking f*ck! This is a f*cking real f*cking series for f*cking adults such as my-f*cking-self! F*ck yeah!
>>154197894Okay, but see, The Boys is kind of the prime example of what I've talking about; about media missing the point. Comics Butcher beats 99% of superheroes by hitting them with a crowbar.He has to fight someone who can fly and shoot lightning out of his eyes? Just hit him with a crowbar. What if he doesn't land and just shoots lightning at you from above forever? Don't worry about it, he'll land, why wouldn't he, I don't need a plan to force him to land.He has to fight a guy in power armour? Just him with a crowbar. Who cares what kind of tech or defenses he has, just walk up to him and hit him, what could go wrong?He gets ambushed by a team of six superheroes at once? Just hit them a crowbar, one at a time. They'll panic and separate, don't think about it too hard.For all The Boys talk about how Butcher wins because he has actual training and knows what he's doing, there's no nuance, or planning, or training to it at all. He just punches them. Because he has superpowers. Now admittedly, he did set things up so that he got powers, but that's not the point.I want a show where beating a hero feels like an achievement because they're so much more powerful and they were taken down by careful planning and contingencies. Plans that counter their powers and isolate them from their support and slowly tighten the noose as the minutes pass. Plans that can go wrong and require fast-paced patches to salvage. Not because the protagonist is actually secretly much stronger than them and all that planning is irrelevant because, when worst comes to worst, they can just punch them and win, such in the case of The Boys or Marshal Law.
>>154195797The thing, there is no way to make literal bullet proof super heroes die to normal humans without making the supes oblivious retards who are not fighting back.Such a premise would work better with magicians rather than super heroes who still have human weaknesses.
>>154202937You're thinking in terms of power scaling. Ennies points out something that makes The Boys a real threat, but it's also about comic book storytelling. You know that bit in *Kung Pow* where the Tiny Net is a problem. Every fucking superhero story has moments like that, and it’s fucking silly. Butcher beating them with a crowbar works both for narrative consistency and for Ennies commentary on superhero narrative inconsistencies. I’d even say it’s less elegant than how Alan Moore does that kind of thing, but it makes sense and is even more logical than the pointless brawls on the TV show.
>>154199951Haven't seen the movie in a while, but doesn't titan from megamind do basically this?
>>154196851She looks like her. I haven’t read much of the comic but maybe Sister Sage is an adaptation of that character?
>>154201624Different character.
>>154191768>CIA-backed>scruffy UNDERDOGS versus rich, corporate-backed OVERLORDS.Kripke can't even write a one-page pitch that doesn't contradict itself.
>>154199445Ennis doesn't hate superheroes.
>>154195060Season three basically has Elliot give a long rambling TDS rant to the camera regretting the 5-11 hack that brought down the banks (though the show, to its credit, made a point to show how retarded the central idea of the hack and those who thought Fight Club, which the show ripped off for just about everything, had a happy ending was by showing how such a hack would just make life even more hellish due to it fixing nothing) because the bad guys were not effected but the little guy was double screwed over and that now they will elect someone worse IE Trump to high office to "fix" things that will usher in a new hell age.Then in season four, they explicitly showed via stand ins, that Trump, Putin, etc were in league as part of a shadowy cabal trying to exploit the 5-11 hack and not-Anonymous basically stole all of Trump's fortune to redistribute to the masses that had crypto currency accounts (but only those people, not normies that don't use crypto) as a form of reparation.
>>154191768>Fuck superheroes!>so yeah it's kind of like Deadpool
>>154191768>corporate-backed overlordsOverlords? Kripke did not read the comic. The supes are subservient to James Stillwell. He massacred the G-Men for causing too much trouble.
>>154204754He does at the beginning by stealing shit before deciding to destroy the city.
>>154196949I like this artist's idea for Webweaver.>Webweaver is a member of The Seven who has mentally degraded over time under the influence of Compound V. He has lost the ability to articulate his own thoughts clearly, but he is incredibly good at mimicking others' speech and voices. This allows him to be highly talkative on screen and a favorite among children, which is how he lured away Grace Mallory's grandchildren. He is a member of The Seven and, you could say, acts as Black Noir's "pet," since Noir is the only one he actually "listens" to.
>>154196949>>154207137Is Black Noir a clone in this AU?
>>154207931He might be a clone.>Vought's most popular cinematic hero, he completely lives his roles and embraces distinct directorial approaches—whether it's doing a comedy with Schumacher or a standalone prequel by Matt Reeves. However, there is one script he can never bring to life: Noir vs. Hopelander. He remains deeply loyal to Vought, and knowing this, the company placed him at the helm of The Seven after losing "Little John" from their grasp.While he is more loyal to his own people, he will still eliminate anyone who stands in Vought's way. With signature theatrical artistry, he even pretended to be a traitor, ultimately unleashing his pet Webweaver, another popular screen hero—upon Mallory.https://x.com/NemesisDoc11974/status/2064636868314927533
>>154208205Most of Ennie's ideas are well-researched takes on the characters. He is, after all, a comic book nerd>OroroHer powers and modus operandi work very much like the 616 universe, which makes it kind of scary how “Brainwashed” X-Men isn’t that far off from the OG comic.>Captain AmericaTake the fact that the mantle was taken up by dozens of different people until it was canonized as Steve Rogers. A role that can be taken on by anyone. He even adapts an obscure wartime superhero story. Anyway...it takes more than just being “edgy” to make a take on an existing superpower. It requires knowledge of the media. Something Ennies knows more about than most viewers of The Boys TV show
>>154205649I think he used Deadpool to mean the story is self-aware.
>>154191768excuse me sir
>>154203539>Ennies>>154208328>Ennie'sWhat the fuck is this board, man?
>>154210125Gape Anus
>>154191768Why are Garth Ennis' fanboys like this?
>>154199951Hancock is the closest to that, but its more like Superman just became a hobo.
>>154191768So this guy is pro police and ICE? Cool.
>>154196949>>154207137>>154208205The artist also did Butcher.>Billy Butcher, the leader of the Super-Super Watch team, is forced to work with them to keep his wife on life support. He is occasionally forced to work with Hopelander as a hero outside of Vought.
>>154210464Butcher being forced to work with Homelander sounds interesting if this version hates all supes, including the good ones.
>>154210299Kripke is not a genuine fan of the comic. His show deviated too much from the source material.
>>154194432More as a form of projection in that he sees Kal-El as a fellow enlightened immigrant who "got over himself" by not trying to turn Earth into Krypton like how he doesn't want America to become Ireland (since he grew up during The Troubles) and thus, doesn't demand it change to be more like his homeland.
>>154205721>He massacred the G-Men for causing too much trouble.And with comical ease, too. It makes one wonder why the Boys team has the composition it does. Butcher makes sense, but the other quirky fucks? No reason. The CIA guy could've found any number of men like Butcher, easily, and outfitted them with depleted uranium bullets.Bam. You've got a squad of operators who're proven within the universe to be effective anti-supes.
>>154212336Hughie is meant to be relatable. He is the most normal character in the series.
>>154212686Right. You're correct on that from. When I say "makes sense" I mean in the sense of "black ops off the books kill team composition." He's got a reason to hate supes, but no training his commitment and disposition are dubious and potential liabilities.
>>154191768Isn't PewDiePie a Nazi in their show?
>>154212848no
>>154191768>The BoyslopUnsurprisingly it was just a shitty, watered-down adaptation of the comic.
>>154210125ESLville.
>>154191961Nah,Ennis is a tsundere when it comes to superheroes.
>>154202937>beating a hero feels like an achievement because they're so much more powerful and they were taken down by careful planning and contingencies. Read Worm. Though that's more about street level capes figuring out how to beat Justice League level capes.
>>154218337>Read Worm.Ugh.
>>154191768>Blue collar grit!>Willingness to fight dirty!>scruffy underdogs vs rich corporate overlords!>CIA backed
>>154219967He remembered the comic before he forgot about it again in the show.
>>154212848yes
>>154191768There's nothing more infuriatingly cringe than someone who does an adaptation to treat something so uniquely attributed to the original creator's tastes, personality, style and life and treat it like their own creation. Ennis is a whore for letting the show happen but Kripke is a turbo jew. IT'S NOT YOUR SHOW, THEY'RE NOT YOUR CHARACTERS, IT'S NOT YOURS. Fucking pisses me off how he tries to imitate Garth here with his neurotic Jewineess.STOP WATCHING HOLLYWOOD DEGENERATES PLAY PRETEND IN SOUNDSTAGES AND GO READ COMICS.
>>154195797It's nigh impossible to pull off, in honesty. I've tried hard to think of how to do it for long-form storytelling and it's a recipe for story-breaking contrivances. You think Ennis didn't think of this? It just doesn't work. Plus, making V a finite substance they can abuse (in the comics, at least) was the best he could do.
>>154191768>This is the kind of person who makes millions and has multiple successful shows while I stock the frozen section of a grocery store.
>>154217510The only hero he genuinely hates is Captain America.
>>154201834>Anyone who references obscure x stuff and really weird facts about x stuff doesn't strike me as someone who hates the x stuff.FOOL
