ive been thinking about this dilemma a lot, and overall it seems to me that working as a nsfw artist is way more worth it than being sfw. can someone with experience talk about the pros and cons of it? also, i want to discuss the ethics of it, since i also think about the consequences of drawing and making nsfw content. pic is from ayanami raising project game
Any artist who says they haven't regularly drawn tits, ass, and/or dicks, is lying through their fucking teeth.
>>154194449Only if you like it. Porn made without love always feels off.
>>154194449Don't bother if you live in the first world or the US,
>>154194449Become an erotica artist who makes normal titillating characters but never draws full sex and nudity, maybe esoteric fetish stuff at most, generic porn artists get swept into the crowd very easily
>>154194467I got chewed out in drawing classes if I didn't draw the model's dick.
>>154194449>also, i want to discuss the ethics of it, since i also think about the consequences of drawing and making nsfw content.What ethics? If there's something you feel is inappropriate to draw you can still set hard limits. Most erotic arts will do just that. Just because you draw some porn doesn't mean you have to draw all porn.
>>154195508im talking mostly about drawing porn overall, not only some types of porn. theres a lot of debate about nsfw being bad for society
Just use a different name for your NSFW stuff.
>>154194449I would only say go for it if you're planning on making NSFW you're actually interested in. A lack of passion is very apparent in porn and people will sense it.>>154195768>theres a lot of debate about nsfw being bad for societyWhich is exclusively bad faith garbage from the most terminal losers to walk the earth.
Its a better gig if you're from a third world country so you can use the difference between the dollar donations and your local currency. But all in all its not a bad gig. You just need to corner a market. You can't draw generic stuff especially now because of AI. You have to chase the coomers from IP to IP I stopped though because where I live commissions aren't enough. I live in a high COL area
>>154194449If you do decide to draw porn, you must absolutely never ever ever engage too much with your fans and keep your retarded ass opinions to yourself. Also be sure to absolutely ensure that you are in no way associated with your personal email and identity. You need to become a separate person to what ever your regular stuff is. Brand new email, burner phone for verification, different paypal and maybe a crypto wallet for anonymous payments, twitter and pixiv not in anyway associated to your old persona. Don't even follow your regular account on your porn accounts.
>>154194449Depends on your art style, what you like to draw, and what you're willing to draw. I've seen NSFW artists pulling in less than dollar store employees and SFW artists pulling in six figures. NSFW in and of itself isn't a golden ticket.
>>154196495this should be obvious but artists are retarded. e.g stonetoss got himself doxxed>>154196517i have never heard of six figures happening in the art world, who in particular are you referring to? genuinely would like to know
>>154195768>theres a lot of debate about nsfw being bad for societyYeah and ninety-nine times out of a hundred it’s coming from people who turn out to be massive fucking perverts IRL and are desperately trying to deflect.For as long as man has been able to create art, he has created lewd art, and at no point has it destroyed civilization.
>>154195768>theres a lot of debate about nsfw being bad for societyNo there isn't. You're an idiot.
>>154196495Hell, same goes to any sort of online persona, SFW or otherwise. Treat your IRL identity like you're Rumpelstiltskin. Your True Name is your power, do NOT give total strangers an advantage over you.
Porn it's an extremely competitive market and AI has shut the door for no name artists with no pre-built follower base. You missed the train.
>>154196495Question about this: if you start doing commissions, do you have to reveal your real name to PayPal customers and stuff? Never knew how that worked.
One off pinup artists are a dime a dozen but people who make entire porn comics that're actually good will usually be successful.
>>154195768There's about 50 other things in front of drawing rule34 that are actively having a negative impact on society. Porn is one of the greatest scapegoats.
>>154198388With Paypal, you got personal and business account types. Personal Paypal doesn't let you use a different name when you're sending someone an invoice IIRC, business one lets you use a different name. Of course, that's got its own sets of things to deal with.
>>154196495Some engagement is necessary, The para-social relationship between artists and paying fans will be the only edge OP have over slop. He will also need to network with other Artists.
i consider myself decent at art and im 100% willing to draw nasty shit for money, problem is shit that i post on my main account barely get traction so i need to know how to grow the separate nsfw account
>>154199590We can do shit like open up fan requests, run polls, react to jokes etc. Having conversations about anything and stating what you dislike, politics, artist drama will get you in hot water fast. "What should I draw next? Pose request? Here's a sfw pic of (flavor of the month engagement bait)" are very safe and very engaging. Artist networking will also get you in trouble if you start picking sides. The best artists to be friends with are ones who shut the fuck up and just deliver content with minimal engagement. They tend to be really good too. You don't need to be parasocial, you need to be good, you need to offer some exclusivity to paying members and you need to deliver consistently.
>>154199839Draw sexy flavor of the month girls and comfort characters. You have to follow trends and established fandoms. Remember when dispatch took off? If you drew the girls in those 4 weeks you were getting retweeted as long as it wasn't shit art.
>>154200534Yeah but that means ill have to start using shitter and other social media that i loathe, however, i can't act like i didn't know thisany of you guys know if appealing to furries once in a while will scare normies and reduce me to another furry artist? or is a balance reachable?
>>154196517>I've seen NSFW artists pulling in less than dollar store employees and SFW artists pulling in six figures.
>>154196566>>154201709
>>154194708Yeah, see VG cats patreon stuff for reference.Please don't, it'll spoil your appetite for next few weeks.
>>154194449Fuck no you shouldn't. It's awful. You can't charge the value of your time since nobody values art OR porn. Get used to working for well below minimum wage.You can't share what you're spending a lot of your time doing since it's taboo, so expect even more social alienation.Draw the wrong character? Social media will go after you like a pack of rabid wolves.Assume that anything like a patreon or a fanbox is a sieve; you WILL end up on kemono or some other leaker site because the idea that you need to eat and keep the lights on is offensive to about 30-40% of your audience.Commissions aren't much better; you WILL be beholden to the most autistic degenerates 24/7, and there's a pretty good chance they'll try and do a chargeback when post nut clarity kicks in.And because of those chargebacks and moral panickers, you're constantly running the risk of getting your accounts banned and blacklisted by payment processors, so there goes any stable income. Get used to anxiety over that.Assume your work will be used to train an AI style lora so that they can cut you out of the equation entirely.Being an NSFW artist is the worst parts of being an artist in general, just with the additional lack of protections that sex workers get. I cannot recommend it.
>>154194449Is that image what I think it is?
>>154195267>le US isn't first worldRichest country in the world with the highest GDP, though not per capita. World's leading tech and industry hub, world leading entertainment and film production hub. World's powerful military. Having to fund irrelevant countries (and pissrael unfortunately) all the time.Seethe more Euromutt.
>>154203904ThisMaybe do it on the side if you really want to but picking this as your main career is retarded
>>154194449Depends. If you can draw good, or animate good, you can make a decent living off of it. Commissioning is another thing, something I wouldn't personally do anymore after a shit experiencing I had with it back in 2015. Furry porn tends to print money.Keep a stable job first, whether it's some shit low paying minimum wage dead end job, then when you make enough by being a porn artist where it becomes sustainable for living, ditch your shitty low paying job. Always have something to fall back on though. Me personally I would start a business or something in case my porn art gig starts failing. Also don't fall for the "AI can do a better job" cope bullshit because in reality, people are smart enough to detect AI trash, don't let it discourage you.
>>154194467Equating dicks, tits, and ass to porn is an American problemPenetration and sex is when it becomes porn. Just nudes aren't really pornographic unless the posing suggests sex or sensuality. Yes, most artists who are well trained have drawn nude models. But that isn't inherently porn.
>>154194449>ive been thinking about this dilemma a lot, and overall it seems to me that working as a nsfw artist is way more worth it than being sfw.SFW and NSFW are two very different markets if making money is your primary concern. Being independent and doing SFW can be extremely rough because you have many of the NSWF weaknesses but the added lack of exposure-alpha brought on by the less tantalizing subject matter. SFW also has a much larger addressable market, but the average participant in that market is way less likely to spend money online unless you're doing some knick-knack stuff and maybe fanart.>i want to discuss the ethics of it, since i also think about the consequences of drawing and making nsfw content.What about the ethics specifically? I have my own issues with the cross contamination of child-targeted media and nsfw becoming a pretty accepted paradigm through memes ...but what specifically bothers you?
