>The year is 1970>Animation is made to sell toys>The year is 2026>Animation is made to sell "collectibles" Time is a flat circle
>>154209643You think that money just materialize naturaly, son?
>>154209674are we making money or making art? sorry didn't realize I was on /biz/
>>154209688Shut up, cartoontard
>>154209688Exactly, not even BCG and Kiff get merch, and they're motherfucking Disney shows!
>>154209688You need money to make "art" dipshit. Of all the retarded things glitchfags believe and shill for the aversion to merchandising is THE most retarded. Ultimately it shouldnt surprise me you fags are this deluded considering you and the people you hail as the saviors of animation as the very reason the industry's crashed.
>>154209757>current year disney>making logical decisionslol
>>154209768Mondo Media makes their money through YT Memberships though, that's how they're making new HTF episodes.
I luv me Pom Pom plush
I feel like people are running out of things to complain about regarding indie cartoons so they make retarded comparisons like this on purpose.
>>154209825I'm surprised people still call GLITCH "indie."
>products exist that I don’t have to pay for, ever, if I do not want to>this makes me madExplain the stupidity
>>154209830Shut up, big retard
>The year is 1970>Animation is made to sell toysNo that's the 80s.
>>154209856Look, dude, if your final act has more showings that goddamn Animal Farm, then it's pretty obvious you're in the AA league at the very least. Nobody has a problem when people call video game companies something in-between indie and corporate, so why the defensiveness?
>>154209903>that*than
>>154209903Becuase you don't know shit.
>>154209643At least those toys were for kids. In 2026 it's adults buying them.
>>154209903AdventureTranny is permanently angry, due to deeply repressed gender dysphoria. He also tries to downvote even though he can't do that here. Don't take it personal.
>>154209962Adults are buying this shit? I believe you, but there's no way these shows appeal to adults.
>>154209981Adults trapped in eternal arrested development are still adults
>>154209974Huh, he's a GLITCHfag too? SIIIIIIIIIIIIGH....
>>154209981Well kids don't play with toys anymore, so it has to be adults. The kind of people who collect funko pops.>>154209995He loves anything with bright colors and/or a simplistic art style. Most autistic troons do.
>>154209974Fuck off, faggot>>154210070You are that,
>>154210070>Well kids don't play with toys anymore, so it has to be adults.KEK, I'd watch TS5 if that was the plot instead.
>>154209995No, but you are a Loudfag so you don't have room to judge
>>154210105Hey man, I like it because I too was raised in a large family with multiple sisters. I've got no association with the larger TLH fandom.
>>154209643>but glitch is totally different and pwning the industry guys!!!
>>154210128K.
>>154210144A bit.
>>154210089>>154210105At least loud house fags are straight pedos instead of tranny pedos like adventure time fans.
>>154210164>>154210146Shitty and useless posts. The textual equivalent of the beanmouth artstyle.
>>154210175Stop projecting.
>>154210208>Shitty and useless posts.But enough everything you post
>>154209643I wonder how many of these things will be in a landfill in the next 20 years.They should at least send all this merch to the same hill at the same dump, that way influencers could try to climb it for our casual entertainment
>>154210210You throw a fag fit when someone says anything negative about nooseworx, explain why.
>>154209643Actually, the collectables are sold to make the animation.
>>154210175I'm one of the few non-pedos who thinks Fionna and Morag were the hottest TLH characters. (Seriously, how was Morag not THE fan favorite?)
>>154209674I DON'T FUCKING CARETHEY SHOULD WORK FOR FREETHEY'RE NOT REAL ARTISTS IF THEY DO IT FOR THE MONEYI FUCKING HATE ARTISTS
>>154210237Keep seeting
>>154210294You'll be seated at table 41. May I interest you in a glass of HRT?
>>154210263You want your juice?
>>154210230>I wonder how many of these things will be in a landfill in the next 20 years.People were already selling their merch on eBay once everybody found out Jax was trans.
>>154210331Says who?
>>154210331>>154210372I heard they were all bought by a user named "SebRodriguez41"
>>154210372lol, LMAO. >>153928049
>>154209768You don't need anything to make art corpo boot licker
>>154210877Exactly, Greeny Phatom was made entirely on pirated software. (Though, it's outsider art, so not many people will appreciate it for what it is.)
>>154210906That was shit>>154210877Maybe
>>154209643The FCC banned the hot wheels TV show around that time for existing to sell toys. The whole grind didn't start until He Man because the Reagan administration wanted to deregulate TV.
>>154211279And yet Paw Patrol still exists? I'd argue that show was made to sell toys just as much as Hot Wheels was.
>>154211294[samefag]>because the Reagan administration wanted to deregulate TV.Whoops, forgot about that part! Forgive my poor reading comprehension.
There's a big difference between having to design your show around gimmicky toys and games and needing main characters appealing enough to go on a Hot Topic tee
>>154209643>>The year is 2026>>Animation is made by castration cultists to lure children by mimicking the popular kids'-media slop of the era (particularly mascot "horror" with puddle-deep "mature themes" in the same vein as Poppy Playtime) while officially marketing it to "young adults"Whenever I see anything like this from now on, I'm going to take "young adult" as a euphemism for "child." After all, they're "adults in waiting," now aren't they?
>>154209643I want to fuck Doll plushie
>>154209688You can make something worthwhile out of a toy commercial
>>154209643Back then you made cartoons to push toys now you make toys to push/fund cartoons
>>154213135Good
>>154209643>selling tangible products instead of speculation and vibes is bad actuallyand this is why america's economy is in the shitter
>>154209643black friday consumerism was WAY worse than just selling some plushes on the internet
>>154209674why can't they make money through monetizing access to the show itself, rather than through merchandising?also,>justifying capitalistic tendenciescringe. we need to start shaming people for making money, not enabling it.
>>154213290Shut up, poorfag
>>154213290commentary videos criticizing indie pilots have more than 5x the CPM of indie pilots
>>154213290>why can't they make money through monetizing access to the show itselfMondo is one of the few people doing that, though some of its most dedicated fans are based enough to reupload Members Only HTF episodes anyway.
>>154213290>why can't they make money through monetizing access to the show itself, rather than through merchandising?you want them to do rent seeking?are you retarded?
>>154213290They'd need to rewrite every episode to be a PBS Kids style educational show about finance and investing so the algorithm pulls bank and insurance ads instead of mobile game ads
>>154213381He is
>>154209643Merchandise has always been important, animation is inherently very expensive and time consuming. Look at anime for example; merch and DVD sales can make or break a series, and most anime studios don't even pay their staff living wages. I hate consumerism as much as the next guy but even if all animation studios were 100% ethical in how they were run, most would still require merchandising to recoup costs. Artists need money to actually make art and to survive. Being an animator, story board artist, background artist, or a director is still a job and they deserve to be payed. It's hard to say how much Glitch makes from Youtube views or their Netflix deal, but it wouldn't be surprising if it wasn't enough. The issue isn't the merch, but about how much that money made from it is being used to pay staff or give shows proper funding.
>>154209643There was a window of time where cable fees and commercials dwarfed merch for 90% of cartoons. This is still the case, it's just that the companies spend all of that money on box office flops and propping up unprofitable streaming services
>>154209643>NO! HISTORY SHOULDN'T BE REPEATING ITSELF, WE SHOULD BE PROGRESSING FORWARD, AAAAAAAAAAAAH!
The original complaint was that parents had to listen to their brats scream about the gi joe toy they saw on tv. Now people are trying to equate that with childless single millennials buying toys based on an animated youtube video they chose to watch
>>154214162The downfall of cable and the rise of streaming means that shows can no longer generate revenue on their own, since you can't really asign what ubscriber revenue corresponds to any given show.
>>154209709>>154209856Make me, bigger newfag.
>>154213290and they said corporations won't spite you.
>>154209688>or making artBEHOLD YOUR "ART"! BEHOLD YOUR GODS!
>>154215321What an ugly era
>>154215362Era? We're still living in it!
>>154209643It was illegal to air cartoons meant to sell toys until after 1981, when Ronald Reagan got to appoint a Federal Communications Commissioner.
>>154209643why are anons so butthurt that indie productions may need to sell merch to fund creating the shit that they watch? If you want to only watch shit made by hobbyists, go to NewGrounds and sort by least popular.
>>154209688it's *not* art, you dipshit, it's entertainment. And that costs money to make. The people who work on entertainment treat it like a job because that's what it is. They work on their own art after work. They work on the cartoon you watch for funsies for pay.
>>154212940>You can make something worthwhile out of a toy commercialAre you more likely to make something worthwhile out of a toy commercial?Limitations breeds creativity.Makes me wonder how important merchandising was to Toy Story. It's a beloved movie that sold a lot of toys because it was obviously toyetic, but was that a conscious decision or a happy accident?
>>154209688Remember, art made for free is a new idea, majority of famous art were originally commissions.
At least 80s kids got cool action figures.I really hate these default chibi plushies that every series seems to get by default.
>>154217842Personally, I think the movie was about Toys because CG at that time hadn't been perfected yet, but that's another way to look at it.
>>154218013>Personally, I think the movie was about Toys because CG at that time hadn't been perfected yet,That's a 'limitations breeds creativity' thing for the creators.But, like, I can imagine the suit financing the movie thought 'a movie about toys? Merch will be easy to make!' The person looking to finance the movie could probably have also used that angle when presenting the project.
>>154218071It helps that Toy Story was originally going to be a Tin Toy Christmas special that was supposed to prove that Pixar could make something longer than a short.
>>154215321Genuinely what is the gotcha here? Bean mouth exists so it's okay Glitch shills merch non-stop? Gameoverse has like 15 pieces of merch and it's not even a technical show yet. You can't talk about MUH SOUL when the #1 "indie" studio is shilling toys from the start. It's astroturfing hype.
>>154217767>watch for funsiesno I don't watch baby shows from Glitch sorry
>>154209643If you plan on making a new IP, what's the actual pipeline for making merch? I don't think I've ever seen anyone explain that, it feels like it all just sorta spawns from nowhere
>>154209757Because TV animation is the redheaded stepchild of Disney's divisions.
>>154218346then why do you even care?
>>154218346Your mind is the babyshow
>>154217901Yeah I don't understand what someone is supposed to do with all these generic sitting plushies, are you supposed to make a wall of them like funkos
>>154209879Have you heard of Mazinger Z or our LORD GETTER ROBO ?It just came to america roughly 7-10 years later with reagan making ad cartoons legal again
>>154218732You're supposed to cut a slit into their crotches and insert a fleshlight into them.
>>154218789But there's so many!!
Maybe indies can finance their shows with sponsorships instead of merch. Imagine if pomni turned to the canera and told you to buy Raid Shadow Legends.
>>154219041BFB did this kinda? There was an episode where Flower interrupts to advertise a T-shirt.
What is actually supposed to be bad about merch?
>>154219235Nothing, /co/ just needs more reasons to have a mental breakdown
>>154219235They didn't want companies advertising to kids or something.So instead kids watch 'influencers' on youtube advertising merch... hm...
So with billions of views on youtube, merch for sale all over the world, regular pop up events in asia, and a fortnite deal, on top of a hit movie in cinemas that managed to outdo star wars, how many more years are retards going to continue to pretend glitch is "indie" and fall for the "if you don't buy this plush we can't make episode 2 of any of our cartoons :<"?
>>154218336>#1 "indie" studio is shilling toys from the start. It's astroturfing hype.ExactlyThey're "indie" yet>+Netflix>+GLOBAL movie distribution companies>+Merch contracts>+Government funding>+AMD/Nvidia supportDoesn't seem 'independent' to me, neither does a corner store owned by Elon Musk.... Yeah, so fucking "independent" when you have $10 billion lying around and 20 ongoing contracts with other pre-existing companies... >Caring whether your soulless multi million/billion dollar merchandising slop farm is owned by one person or available on the stock marketBig business is abusing the 'indie' term to masquerade as small businesses to garner sympathy. As if they needed it when people are so willing to defend them already>It's astroturfing hype.They make more merch than Disney and make a point of calling them out for that in their own shows, before going right back to selling you NEW merch for EVERY. SINGLE. EPISODE.
>>154219235What do we know about Ragatha by the end of the show? She gets sad when people don't like her? Woooow. What about Ribbit? She killed herself after one argument of Jax? What a character arc! Now how many keychains and plushies and shirts and other garbage are these characters on? They exist to be things to buy. It's soulless
>>154218449Depends on what you want to make, but you can literally google manufacturers (or contact people who have gone through the process before and ask about who they use). If you want to make a plushie, you look up companies that make them (they're almost definitely going to be in China or a company that charges you extra and then subcontracts the same groups in China). Once you decide which one you want to work with, you read up on their guides...they'll usually have things to keep in mind as you design your product. If you don't design shit like that yourself, you'll need to hire someone to help you design merch. You send the company designs and they'll create samples (which you'll have to pay for). They probably won't get it right on the first try, so you may have to go through several rounds of tweaking the design until it comes out looking like you want it to which will come out of pocket. Once you have the design nailed down, you just put in a bulk order. Obviously, the more you order, the better the price per item is. This goes for pretty much anything. Stickers, acrylic charms, standees, etc. Anything you can think of can be manufactured by someone for a price, however the more simple merchandise typically won't get proofs.
>>154219498NTA, but what if I want merch made of a show that never got merch to begin with? I'd kill for either a Jimmy or Heloise plushie.
>>154209643Are cartoon now just ads for hot topic merch that's going to sell for two decades even tho the original show had a nine episode run?
Oh yeah bro I'm totally going to just lock myself in my room working on hours and hours of animation without money to buy food just for the "art"
>just draw 48,000 pictures synced to sound for free
>>154218449>>154219498Make sure you account for all the extras when figuring out how to price your merch. You'll need to account for each of the samples (you'll want to recoup your costs), packaging, shipping, taxes, losses (something gets damaged in the mail or lost you want to be able to make it right for your customer without it fucking too badly with your margins), etc. You'll also want to make sure to over-order a bit. So just because 300 people order plushies doesn't mean that you yourself order 300. You'll want a buffer in case some of them look too fucked up to sell, your friend spills coffee on one, there are losses, or you want to send some to key people for promotional materials, etc. One of the big reasons indies run out of cash is because they don't know how to do business. They raise like $100k and everyone thinks that's a lot of money but just making and shipping rewards eats up a lot of that money. Taxes eat up a lot of money. The chunk that kickstarter or indiegogo or whatever you're using takes eats up a lot of money. In the end, the amount that a production raises is not really what they actually get to dedicate to production. So if you're ever planning to crowdfund something, you'll want to take all of that into account and give yourself a healthy buffer. If you think you need to raise like $15k, you're probably going to want to shoot more for like $25k.
>>154219235Nothing, the average /co/ is just unemployed and thinks everyone has the free time to work on animation for free
>>154219371It’s a mix
>>154219559>>154219573>art for it's own merit?? *throws up*your "art" is an ad
>>154219602Lol, you are such a retard
They could open the themepark Glitchworld Orlando and faggots here would still be desperate to maintain the "indie" handle because it makes them feel like they're supporting a small little passionate crew of creatives instead of the big EVIL companies and that makes them feel good. They aren't going to let go of that no matter what. And retards will just samefag spam "what, make cartoons for FREE???" hundreds of times over to drown out anyone trying to make them see sense.
>>154219509If you just want a one-off for your own personal use, you'll be better off finding someone to hand sew you a plushie on Etsy or something. There are makers who do this shit. It won't be dirt cheap, but then again custom shit never is. In that case, you also won't get samples for approval either. You pretty much get what you get. Either way, it's not going to be worthwhile going to a factory to do that. They'll generally have minimum orders of several hundred. I can't speak towards the legality of that. I'm not a lawyer so do your own research and assess your own risks.
>>154219617>no responseI accept your concession
>>154219235>What is actually supposed to be bad about merch?Nothing. /co/ just doesn't know how the world works and thinks that people should spend 12 hours a day animating entertainment that they can watch for free on top of having a day job to pay their bills. It's especially ridiculous since the merch sells incredibly well meaning that not only are some indies able to fund their productions with merch sales, but there's an actual demand for the products they're selling as well. Some people just don't think that getting something for free is enough - they want to make sure that the person/people creating it for them are actively going into debt in order to be able to enjoy it.
>>154219602Even someone like Michelangelo got paid for painting, artist need money to survive
>>154219620The evidence is all around us
>draw 48,000 pictures for me for free or you're a greedy psychopath
>>154219620it keeps happening
>>154219702>That's just how it is buddy. Slurp the slop. That's the way the world works. Gotta get those bucks and dollars! Slurp the slop. BUY OUR PLUSHIES
Who is saying artists shouldn't be paid? Is one person just saying the same strawman argument every time the counter cools down?Of course the animators need to be paid. The question is when are chumps going to stop believing that Glitch cannot afford to make a single episode of a cartoon unless you buy a bunch of merch of the previous episode first? They clearly have enough success to not need to be in non-stop shill and beg mode at all times.Why do aspies believe the lie? Because they want to? Maybe >>154219620 is right, and it makes them feel like buying a plush is their way of contributing. "I helped make that show happen"But it begs the question, how big does Glitch have to get before people stop thinking they "need" to buy merch to make the shows happen? From the overdefensive replies of some of the nitwits here... that day will never come.
>>154219792>Who is saying artists shouldn't be paid?this guy >>154219602
>Producing a single episode of The Amazing Digital Circus (TADC) by Glitch Productions costs an estimated $500,000 to over $1,000,000, whereas YouTube ad revenue for an average episode brings in roughly $150,000 to $300,000. Direct ad revenue falls short of production costs, meaning ancillary streams like merchandise cover the difference and drive true profitability.
>>154219814yeah in response to >>154219559>>154219573It's nothing but strawmen
>>15420968899% of art has been created because a rich person, family, or corporation threw money at some nerd. "Art for art's sake" is the privilege of the idle rich or the based schizo, the former not having to care about money and the latter begging, borrowing, and stealing as need arises..
>>154219849yeah they're not saying studios can't make money, they just can't commercialize the show to bring in revenue in any way
>>154219829>Boo hoo>McDonalds had to "resort" to being a real estate company "to make ends meet">Boo hoo
>>154219814Jesus christ, you couldn't find one?More than half the thread is retards pretending anyone has said "animators should work for free" and no such claim exists.Wrap it up buddy, you're done.(You will post the same strawman 100 more times)
TADC was the creative equivalent of a ponzi scheme>I feel bad for anyone who bought anything.
>>154219878That's the end conclusion of what people are asking for. They expect a show to be made without merchandising, and the only way that'll work out is if the artists volunteer.
>>154219792>it makes them feel like buying a plush is their way of contributing. "I helped make that show happen"this
>>154209643Why exactly are we acting like this hasn't been a constant thing?
As an oldfag it's hilarious the amount of people here who think Glitch NEEDS to be shilling merch nonstop. I would have killed for some Ed Edd n Eddy or KND toys as a kid, but that shit was rare unless you were the PowerPuff Girls or SpongeBob. Somehow CN and Nick found a way to support their less merch heavy shows. Meanwhile the endless Teen Titan Go toys haven't saved CN from being a shell of itself. Go figure.
>>154209757Cause it's Disney nigger they have billions upon billions of dollars to throw at anything.>>154209789All of Mondo media shows are made on dime budgets and with the cheapest tools available.
>>154218336That's how they fund their shows you mouth-breathing, shit eating retard.
>>154219914>They expect a show to be made without merchandisingOnce again, nobody said that. Is there a reason why you have to cling so hard to the "you're saying artists should work for free" strawman? Are you unable to make a point without it?I was going to try explain it again, but fuck it I'll just link to >>154219792 to save time.Again: how big does Glitch have to be before you let go of the idea that if you don't buy the merch the studio will collapse? How big do they need to be before you see them as a major player who can stand on their own? Or do you NEED to keep thinking of them as your smol bean indie darling "friends" that need your help (while also having a show on netflix, a hit movie in cinemas outdoing star wars, and a fortnite collab, and international merch deals)
>>154219931Back then they had cable box revenue. Glitch doesn't have every household in the developed world sending them $1 every month regardless of if they watch the show.
>>154219438So is Glitch owned by a larger company? Or are they actually independant?
>>154209688>glitchslop artlmao
>>154219968>Once again, nobody said that>Again: how big does Glitch have to be before you let go of the idea that if you don't buy the merch the studio will collapse?lmao troll
>>154219973>Caring whether your soulless multi million/billion dollar merchandising slop farm is owned by one person or available on the stock market>Ignoring the rest of the commentGuess you're retarded *and* illiterate.
>>154219972And Glitch is making money from their YouTube revenue?
>>154219931>somehow CN and Nick found a way to support their less merch heavy showsYou mean the shows that were on network television who got paid by commercial advertisement during their screenings on cable television networks?There were also a couple of EEnE videogames. Not much but its something.
>>154220035Can't answer the question? /Just keep repeating the strawman then.How big does Glitch need to be before you let go of the idea that they cannot make anything without you buying their merch?
>>154220053literally nobody's saying that Glitch shouldn't sell merch to finance their shows though
>>154220043the shows cost 10 times what youtube brings in
>>154220070Agreed. Can you answer the question now?
>>154220077Did Glitch tell you this?
>>154220039I care whether the anon doesn't want to call them indie because they're not actually independent, and not just cause "they feel too big to be one company on their own they HAVE to be a corporation".Also we're assuming the plushies actually might reach BOLLIONS in sales? They're probably profitable but fucking lol if you think they're hitting billions.
>>154220078that's their entire business model so never
>>154220092So how big do they have to be before you stop seeing them as a widdle indie company that can't make a shows episode 2 without you buying their plushies? When will you see them as being able to support themselves? Never?
>when is walmart going to stop being a widdle store that has to charge me for merchandise? when will they be able to support themselves?
>>154220164comparing Glitch to Walmart is proving the haters right if anything
>>154220112IDK but the term "independent" doesn't really tie to how small they are exactly.The 1990 TMNT movie was produced by several production companies and distributed by New Line Cinema.And when that movie was released it was considered an independent film, and even set records as the biggest opening weekend boxoffice for an independent film.Seeing some merch shilling isn't all that much. Has there been outside sponsors from Glitch advertising? Like when you see some youtuber do an ad read for Nord VPN or some Helix Mattress or someshit they don't make themselves?If they were doing a lot of that I might see them as less indie.
>>154219747but you don't have to slurp the slop. You can not pay a single cent and still watch the shows for FREE. Or avoid them altogether. I really don't know why people are so butthurt over it.
>>154220092They aren't independent as I already stated before, they're in bed with tons of other companies to the point where the actual in house animation may as well be only a small portion of "Glitch's" total operations. "Muh paperwork says indie" doesn't negate that they literally cannot function without other companies... Unlike actual ride or die independent studios. Which would have been BANKRUPT from the dumpster fire ending of TADC, not expanding to 4+ other fucking series because of OTHER COMPANIES fronting the cost/capital/risk that allows them to be a fucking animation studio yet also shit out more merchandise than some toy companies. >But all the separate companies are independently independent! (while acting as a corporation)Wow! The same bullshit excuse the soulless drones who work for them use to never be responsible for working for them! (While poisoning everyone)
>>154220228Terminator and Terminator II were also indepedent productions. So was Land Before Time which had McDonalds tie-ins.
>"Independent" Hollywood ProductionsLolLmao even
>>154220245The biggest problem seems to be that anons misunderstand the definition of the word "independent" insofar as it relates to film and media. "Independent" generally *can* mean on your own, but that's not how it's defined in this specific case. Independent means that they don't have investors from the public sector. It doesn't mean that they don't work with other people. You're mad because they're not self-reliant. That's true. But independent insofar as it relates to film and media exclusively refers to how productions are financed. You can't buy stock in Glitch. Glitch is independent. You CAN buy stock in Disney. Disney is not independent.
>>154220287>Independent means sad guy in a white T shirt playing acoustic guitar for his neon hair gf
>>154220287Aren't they in Auatralia? Is there any ties to Hollywood?
>>154220287TMNT was arguably not even a Hollywood production as much as it was a Hong Kong one.
>>154213290You will never own shitYou will never create shitYou will continue screeching about integrity in tranny propaganda on a dying porn addiction imageboard
>>154220263Weren't the Terminators movies by Orion? That was a WB company.
>>154219641>I can't speak towards the legality of that.That's alright, I could always tweak a few things here and there so it's "legally distinct." And even if the custom stuff don't come cheap, I don't care as long as my favorite cartoons finally get the merch they deserve.
>>154213290Dawg you think a stream service subscription would work better?LolLMAO Go ask how that went for VRV or Quibi or the dozen failed smalltime streaming groups.
>>154209643Back in the day they'd cut to a commercial break and play this https://youtu.be/rE7LuPEijN4 but Glitch at least uploads their commercials separately so you have to volunteer to watch them
Notice how these threads never name a single low budget, amateur production and go "support REAL indies like this guy instead of Glitch"
>>154219979Faggot
>>154219651You wish
>>154219715>>154219743You lost
>>154209643Without BD preorders like the kind that fund anime, the incentives for animation will always be backwards towards being loss leaders for merchandising, theme parks, and pop up slop.
>>154217901action figures are more expensive to make i guessthey could probably stand to enter that market, the spawn guy is a millionaire because of his action figures
>>154218336I hate how trannies were forcing this shit everywhere on twitter saying it’s good or some shit, the pilot was pretty mid and i don’t want to watch a show with furrybait and steven universe inspired crap filled with sexual fetishes, this shit got thousands of porn while bunny maloney porn got purged by the admin on rule34xxx because he thought it doesn’t fall under art standards even know the character were supposed to have simple anatomy like hello kitty or my melody.
>>154220934>tranniesNo, gooners
>>154215371tig n seek is dead
>>154220964Like most cartoons...
Jesus, how could I not pay attention to the "Name" box twice in a row? That shit pisses me off to no end!
>>154220934>T-t-trannies!It's just furfags being furfags nigga. They see cute anthropomorphic cat, neuron activate.
>>154209643>Animation is made to sell "collectibles">Fortnite SkinsFTFY
>>154219792>how big does Glitch have to get before people stop thinking they "need" to buy merch to make the shows happen?Given the production quality and the CPM of animation videos, they can stop selling merch whenever they get around 1-2 billion views every episode
My problem with glitch’s model is that it’s soulless, what else am I supposed to say? It pushes indie creators to think of their characters as (literal) toys rather than living breathing people in a story. With Gameoverse in particular this feels so blatant
>>154221559Just make appealing character designs.
>>154220354It was distributed by Orion, not produced by them.
>>154220696The only thing I have noticed is you need to pretend everyone who is saying something you don't like is saying something completely different so you can attack that position instead of what anyone has actually said.
>>154223155I mean from my perspective I see a Motte & Bailey argument complaining about merchandising and retreating into a discussion of whether glitch is indie or not
>>154223424From your perspective you saw people saying things about glitch you didn't like and you jumped into action. Whatever it is they're saying - Not on your watch!
>>154219602your "fart" is an ass
>>154209674I wonder how much money they get from merch sales vs. the potentially mutimillion in funding they received from Netflix and Amazon for the streaming rights to TADC and Murder Drones
>>154223679>mutimillion in funding they received from Netflix and Amazon for the streaming rights to TADC and Murder DronesYou vastly overestimate the streaming market. Neither own the shows - they just get to stream them on their service which makes them less valuable. Neither Netflix nor Amazon have exclusive rights either. Glitch still releases the episodes for free on youtube. They get something for streaming, but not nearly as much as apparently some anons seem to think. Plushies pay the bills.
>>154219965You faggots get too defensive when people point out Glitch's predatory marketing.
>>154223760>predatoryyou mean they have marketing?
>>154223917Whenever they upload a 30 minute episode, they upload a separate 3 minute commercial where the characters shill plushes and posters and t-shirts that's disguised as a short lore video, but to your disappointment it's non canon
>>154224145>disguised as a short lore videoI'm sorry that you're so fucking retarded that you think an obvious ad is a short lore video. I can understand how you think that's predatory when nearly everything must feel that way. It must suck to be that fucking stupid. My apologies, anon. I didn't know.
>>154218336The gotcha is this. Once the toy commercial shows stopped and the showrunners were free to create, they created a tide of horseshit that killed the industry. Bring back toy commercials.
>>154220822>>154220811>>154220806>>154219617you're a newfag and a sperg, you didn't wished anything
>>154210089>no uSneed, sperg>>154210210Stop deflecting>>154210294Keep going to bed, your nonexistant fifth movie didn't earned any budget
>>154224764Well they tried with mixels and nobody watched because it was boring and ugly, and then they tried again with Ben 10 (2016) with an artstyle designed for modern audiences and nobody watched it because it was boring and ugly and they took out ghostfreak
>>154226481Mixels' second season was hella weird. Some of its episodes were traditionally animated, which is extremely jarring when you've come to expect the show to have a rigged animation style.
>>154226481Mixels was good
>Glitch is one articulated figure away from the return of 90s toys.
