Magneto will be de-aged and repowered again, and I'm fine with it. In other words, he can be a holocaust survivor. From DNX #2 solicit cover
ironically comic books refuse to evolve
>>154229225How many times does he need to be de-aged and resurrected l?
>>154229274Until adrenochrome is normalized and they stop needing a conceit.
>>154229225oh cool, so it was indeed the case that there was no fucking point to joseph the clone. what a relief.
>>154229274every 20 years, so people stop arguing that he's too old to be a holocaust survivor
>>154229225There's also just letting him get old or even die, but this is certainly a choice, Marvel.>>154229342The point to Joseph was that we could have a good version of Magneto instead of trying to pretend the blood-soaked terrorist cult leader could ever be "redeemed". For 20 years Joseph has been more necessary than ever, and Marvel keep trying to make him the villain and Magneto the 'hero' instead.
>>154229435>There's also just letting him get old or even die, but this is certainly a choice, Marvel.corporate character dying? lol
>>154229435Nobody cares about Joseph
>>154229435>For 20 years Josephhe was dead for at least 30 years, before magneto was de-aged, timeslides, cloned, whatever. joseph is an asspull.
>>154229474Who the hell cares about 'good' Magneto when every time you see him you know we could have villain Magneto instead?
>>154229501The fundamental issue with Joseph is that if he’s “good” Magneto without any of his memories or experiences, then he’s just a dull dude with magneto’s powers. Like who gives a shit. It was ever moderately interesting when they were teasing that he was the original Magneto but now he’s just a clone that’s used as a dull pawn.
>>154229225Imagine going to all this effort to save Mutant Hitler from hell. I know he hasn’t been a villain on the books for a while, but seriously?
>>154229225>Magneto will be de-aged and repowered againBut he already was de-aged in Resurrection of Magneto, so outside of removing the stupid R-LDS fakeout bullshit that made no sense and no one followed up on because Brevoort had to backtrack it immediately, this is pointless (just like the X-Books during Brevoort's era)
>>154229225why not just make a fictional atrocity and have his hatred born from that like they did with all the canonical Vietnam Vets.
>>154229225Why the fuck should REED help the muties after what Charles and Magneto messed with his mind?
>>154229848They did that for the cartoon and then ignored it for Holocaust
>>154229225Why? He was aready revived in Resurrection of Magneto and deaged Mackay and Brevoort you fucking hacks
>>154229274The silliest part is they literally did it before this run and then aged him up again off-screen.
>>154229225Is that Juggernaut
>>154229849He shouldn't but Mackay mentioned that it was gonna be an Avengers and X-Men crossover so his run was meant to go longer. But once they moved into Doomsday mode and finally closed the book on Kang they had to end the Kang synergy run.
>>154229274Given that being a Jewish Holocaust survivor is the key foundation of his character they'll keep it going forever.
>>154230248>the key foundation of his character>retcon introduced by a later writer 20 years after character was createdAnon, no. While I doubt Marvel will ever have the willpower or the balls to drop it after it was introduced, it's not the key foundation of his character. Being Mutant Hitler and the X-Men's archenemy was the key foundation of his character.
>>154229274At this point, they could have just retconed him having a unnaturally long lifespan.
>>154229267This is out of control, WW2 references are beyond dated yet they continue making it antiquated
>>154231868They could just make him a Korean, Vietnamese Iranian or something if they really need him to be involved in war. Fuck it make him a boer being chased by people in Africa if you really need to keep him a victim but refuse to race swap him to sell the damn thing, it's just ridiculous to keep him as a holocaust survivor the more the years pass by.I'm really getting tired of everything revolving about WW2 it's getting ridiculous how elastic time seems to be in the comics.
>>154229342Can somebody please explain to me the deal with Joseph? I thought he was the mind wiped Magneto but he's a clone? And if he's a clone why didn't Marvel pin Xorn on him instead of the retarded "ackshually xorn was real and happened to have a twin" shit?
>>154231949Joseph was a Scott Lobdell idea from 1995, after Age of Apocalypse had a popular good version of Magneto earlier that year. The original plan, was that he was a de-aged, amnesiac Magneto, he's originally found wearing the exact same clothes readers had last seen Magneto wearing a few issues earlier.At some point, Lobdell developed a backup plan for Joseph to be a reborn Proteus instead, if editorial decided they wanted normal Magneto back, but when he got fired from X-Men, editorial decided to just make Joseph a clone instead (created by Astra, a retconned in 'forgotten' member of the original Brotherhood who ragequit because Magneto wouldn't bang her), and killed him off in the Magneto War crossover in 1999.By 2003-4 when all the Xorn stuff went down, virtually everyone who'd been working on the X-books in the mid to late 90s had been purged by the new editorial regime, so whether anyone even remembered Joseph at the time is in question, and the reason we got a good Xorn twin is because an editor really liked Xorn, and tasked Chuck Austen with introducing a new version of him that actually was like the character Xorn was originally presented as being. Once they had that plan in mind, presumably they decided to just go with the evil Xorn twin impersonating Magneto instead of having Joseph (or someone else) impersonating Xorn impersonating Magneto.In addition to that, the idea to use Joseph as a villain doesn't happen until a Magneto mini in the early 2010s. IIRC it's not really explained whether Astra resurrected the original Joseph or just created a new clone and gave him the same name.
>>154231932The Siancong War replaces all of those in the Marvel Universe as the Forever War everyone was involved in. It'd be tacky and inappropriate to make Magneto a part of that though. He's going to be the Holocaust survivor forever and that's fine. They should find a way to write in a definitive de-aging story into his past before he met the X-Men though so they don't have to bother with it again.
>>154232136Thanks anon, you're a cool guy. Was it ever explained why Astra made the clone or why he didn't show up till after Magneto got mind whammied?
>>154232219Astra's power was teleporting, with universal range, she was out in space looting alien tech for years, and just happened to come back to Earth for revenge on Magneto for rejecting her during the time he'd been mindwiped. She used her alien tech to restore his mind and create a younger clone of him as her weapon to defeat him, rather than just leaving Magneto as he was and just taking what Xavier had done to him as a win. Magneto hit Joseph in the back of the head with something heavy and it gave him amnesia, he let the world think Joseph was him until he was ready to make a public return.
>>154229225>>154229274the problem is less that he gets deaged and repowered, it's that because of the sliding timeline he's only been deaged and repowered since about 2010, and it's happened four or five times, and in the same period he's also become an x-man and the tyrannical despot ruler of several nationsthere's been WW2 and post-WW2 stories set in the 1950s sure but for the most part Marvel has shied away from retelling the 1960s to 1970s and beyond; at this point, Magneto should be getting deaged and repowered watching Friends and Frasier in the 1990s, when he would have been about 65, but obviously nobody's going to write a story about that let alone make it his backstory in the MCU, where they've chosen instead to stretch out his lifespan from the FOX movies which did at least bother to tell some 1960s-ish stories where he was already something like 70 in the first movie - if it was set the year it released - and something like 95-100 in his next appearance as part of the MCUthey could have had fun with it and got Kelsey Grammer deaged to do a Frasier bit prior to Beast becoming blue, except that FOX already fucked that up and Marvel refuses to change or ignore itand the comics have the same problem where they're beholden to insane amounts of backstory that a) nobody living has actually read all of and b) doesn't make any sense anyway because the sliding timeline wasn't ever intended to run for this longthe answer of course is to keep telling middle-years stories, because god knows the alternative is making him Vietnamese or North Korean or whatever or just shitcanning the whole IP or the Magneto portion of it (which won't last)
>>154232438>or just shitcanning the whole IP or the Magneto portion of itThings are so bad, these are starting to feel like good ideas.
>>154232320Thanks again, anon. That stuff was going on when I was a kid, I was a huge X-Men fan but grew up in cousinfuck, WV where my closest comic store was a hundred miles away so I was only able to get whatever random issues came in at our grocery store so I never was able to follow the Joseph saga...I guess I could now but after what you posted I'm kinda glad I never did. X-Men definitely earned its reputation of most impenetrable continuity.
>>154229435>trying to pretend the blood-soaked terrorist cult leader could ever be "redeemed"If Shiro Azuma could change, anyone can.That said, I probably wouldn't want to read a comic about it.
>>154229267The people in charge and the readers are to blame.
>>154229274They should just retcon it that his magnetism allows his cells to age slower than others
>>154229225Why is it that Magento can genocide millions of people and still be resurrected and forgiven for his crimes?
There have been plenty of atrocities across the years. Make him a survivor from the Cambodian or Rwandan genocide
