Lilith Edition Beware the local schizo dubbed MatPat. Ignore all forms of conversation.
What kind of lesbian is Sera?
>>154231241The kind that cucks manlets
>>154231306So she slept with Lilith?
>>154231306i desperately need to see lucifer suffering next season, but entirely because of his own decisions. no malicious outside actors, excuses, no 'but he meant well!' unless it's to point out how intent doesn't mean shit at best or that he actually was just out for his own ego. then and only then will i accept radioapple.
Sera didn’t sleep with Emily. That’s improper.
>>154232305Heaven ain't exactly sweet home Alabama.
>>154232906depends on if hazbin decides to hold to the whole 'adam and eve's kids all had to fuck each other' thing or not.
>>154231775At best he's I expect Viv to show that he's massive moron who doesn't think things through because of her tendency to baby and woobify him. Regardless of the fact that from an outside perspective he would come of as literally retarded.
>>154233517They could say that the Angels created for each of Adam's and Eve's kids a partner when they became of age. They could keep the bone thing also. You want a wife then you better sacrifice some calcium. Something like that.
>>154233575What about Noah’s Ark
>>154233673Wasn't it said after the flood they made new people from the soil to replace those who died. Some versions also mention that the post flood human were weaker than their pre-flood counterparts( shorter lifespans and smaller in heights).
>>154233544Maybe RadioApple is him finally becoming complete due to finding love and thus a reason to improve.
>>154233746no they need to make each other worse and never better.
He craves the McRib.
>>154233725Nothing like this is ever said.
Can we all hope Lilith dies so that Charlie and Lucifer are sad about it
>>154233725The hell are you talking about. Nothing like this has ever been said.
>>154233813>you will never let adam eat a french fry from your outstretched hand like he's a nervous horsewhy fucking live
>>154233874He’s gotta be Matpat
>>154233881Oh fuck, I knew this shit sounded familiar.
>>154233886Lol recently he tried to claim that he ""heard"" an interview/commentary from Jessica Vosk saying that Adam was going to be redeemed or something. He was barking up the wrong tree because I've collected all the interviews regarding Lute since 2024. He really does try to pull shit out of his ass.
>>154231241The best kind.
>>154233915thank you for your lutism.
>>154231177Holy fuck i need to sink my dick down this womans pussy so badly
>>154233915He said Lute is getting redeemed by Adam somehow by Vosk’s words
No Father's Day mugs for Adam? Book we get the deer and the duck
>>154233937Jessica Vosk has never said that.
>>154233934
>>154233932I try my best
>>154233937The closest something like this has been said was in a collider review: https://collider.com/hazbin-hotel-season-2-teaser-trailer/Lute (Jessica Vosk) is on a path of redemption for Adam.
>>154234017That is a bizarre choice of words.
>>154234017Given how Lute acts, which in my opinion is very much like she's trying to make up for something, this feeds into my personal Lute Eve conspiracy theory but... This was not said by Viv, Jessica, etc. And I don't know how these news/journal outlets work and how much information actually have? I mean, I know sometimes they know more and they're able to tease certain things, but I don't know how much, or how I could even verify that.
>>154234028One journal said Abel is the first son Adam had. Maybe they are allowed to know some twists to judge the current season 2 material.
>>154234027Speaking of, also interesting. This outlet, for their Season 2 review said this: Complicating things on Heaven’s end is Lute (Jessica Vosk), Adam’s lieutenant – thus far, there has been no mention of Eve, leading some fans to presume there is a potential connection between her and Lute – who finds herself now under the command of Adam’s eldest son, Abel (Patrick Stump), a pacifist who gets nosebleeds when stressed.https://nexuspointnews.com/review-hazbin-hotel-season-two/But again, I don't know which news outlets have actual inside information, I would not know how to verify that. I assume collider is pretty secure just because I know they're the ones that have been doing interviews with the cast. Not sure about Nexus though. I love how they throw in Eve and Lute there lol Not helping my delusional ass
>>154233962Niffty is a gay ally which means shell be fine letting a bisexual chad like myself mount her and pump her full of cum
>>154234049See:>>154234055
>>154234028Lute is secretly a demon, raised by Heaven, hence her love of violence and rock & roll. She hates herself and loves Adam because he’s the only angel who gets her. Reverse-Vaggi.
Oh my God, enough with the hellborn Exorcist shit. Fuck off already
>>154234084Not even close lol
>>154234100Are you genuinely pissed off that other people have their own ideas on Lute is just because she wouldn’t be Eve in them?
>>154234100What? It’s awesome. Lute can go to Hell as a demon to find Sinner Adam and reveal her true self to him via a Rock Song. Adam is torn apart by the revelation.
>>154234123It explains why Lute doesn’t fit in with Heaven AT ALL. She’s as angry as a Wrath Imp.
>>154234132NGL demon lute/exorcists just sucks as a theory. It's payoff is minimal and gimps the already glossed over heaven even harder.
>>154234132I don't give a fuck about Eve being Lute. The fuck are you on about
>>154234166A lot Lute theories are problematic because they make Sera look like the most corrupt person in the show.
>>154234166It's just Matt. Or whatever his name is. He's the only one that's been saying this shit. I don't think most agree that they're very demonic Angels, but that they're literal hellborn? LOL. Not a chance. He's the only person that believes that.
>>154234175* I think most agree. It's obvious that they're very demonic coded. That's not even a question. But that their literal hellborn? I have never heard something more retarded
The new sequel to the Bible is called The Bible 2 and is made up of Jessica Vosk tweets
>>154234191Sounds awesome
>>154234191I will be its number one contributor. Pick me, pick me!!!!
>>154234175Matt spitballs this shit because he doesn’t know what a Lute is by subscribing to that outdated as fuck wife swap and cuck theory. Lute is Eve period
>>154234205I have seen the wife switch theorists die down considerably after season 2. There's like one or two that are very adamant about it because they are positive radio. Apple is going to be a thing? But I'm not invested in Lucifer or Al ship like that, so I have no input.
>>154234205Even if Lute doesn't turn out be Eve I still want exorcists to be angels ( no demon fuckery). The concept of heaven stooping so low that they twist the concept of an angel into weapon meant only for killing is more interesting.
>>154234172Sera adopted a young demon Imp, disguised her and trained her.
>>154234243I firmly believe Heaven made their own demons. They are heaven-born demons. Basically. They needed to fight fire with fire, right? Eve would be a good template because she's the first sinner. It feeds into my bigger theory. All the girls are clones of Lute/Eve. She seems to be the ""firstborn"". The Exorcist girl she picked on looked exactly like her, and even had a tooth gap like Abel did
>>154234132matpat getting triggered with the very real possibility that Lute Eve is legit that now whenever anyone disagrees with his Lute takes, first instinct is to accuse them of believing in the Lute Eve theoryThese are glorious days for sure. Someone pass the popcorn
>>154234166Only Lute should be a demon, she just trained the Exorcists to be as warped as she is. But she was violent to win Adam’s heart.
>>154234281Honestly I'm tempted to constantly shill the theory only to piss him off.
>>154234243given heaven is capable of deciding 'hey lucifer and lilith, you're both doomed to suffer in hell forever' or 'mkay we need to kill all of these humans except these ones, someone turn on the hose' etc, they're also absolutely capable of creating an angelic killsquad and i don't know why people are pretending they aren't.
>>154234243One issue is that Lute has to have interactions with sinners in the past to cause her to be like this in her background.
>>154234296Say it louder
>>154234268I like the thought Adam was ultimately behind the Hell’s Angels, lol. It doesn’t let Heaven off the hook.
>>154234298That's exactly why I have a hard time imagining that she was made only 7 years ago, or made only for the exterminations. It begs the question, if she has no friends, if she only ever had Adam, if she's not apparently a former modern human... What trauma exactly does she have with demons specifically?
>>154234296Maybe Adam and virtually all the other Exorcists are Angels. Only Lute is a demon.
>>154234318He was though. Sera specifically said the exterminations were his idea, and she simply approved them. Lute weirdly implies that she had some sort of input with this. If we assume she truly was made only recently and/ or just for the exterminations, why the hell would she say "I was right about them! Adam was right about them!"? That really makes it seem like there's a lot more going on there. She's not just blindly following him around.
>>154234340 Her trauma is she hates herself because she is a demon.
>>154234355Don't forget, Sera told her she'd be making her own decisions from now on. That also makes it seem like her and Lute would strategize. Which is really weird given that, she was a creature made just for the exterminations, right? What experience does she possibly have
There's definitely something bigger cooking. I can smell it. It's smells smelly.
>Be me, 42 years old>Enjoying my stage career>Get offered a part in a cartoon show>DisneyMoment.jpg>Never done this before but sounds like fun! >Start chatting to my cool new fans on x.com in between posting about my lust for uncut cock>Accidentally give too much away>MFW Viv says gotta take it down>MFW NDA violation
>>154234355She’s in love with him and was willing to be a category traitor to win him over. She threw herself into demon-slaying.
>>154234298>>154234355>>154234340easy peasy. >embassy has always been present, with a rotating set of angel guards - precursor to exorcists>nothing has happened yet, but they're told to always be cautious just in case>lute, at the time a naive newbie, is fooled by a childsized sinner into leaving her post>immense suffering occurs>noticing that the cute rookie is missing, adam descends into hell and rescues her, assuring her that's she's not a loser and checking in on her when nobody else does back in heaven>lilith is pissed that adam's attack also killed a bunch of sinners who had nothing to do with it and he doesn't care, and kickstarts the rebellions>adam retaliates with the exterminations
>>154234397Would she have gotten in big trouble for it?
>>154234281No. I just find the recent threads to be remarkably cancerous. And usually the Lute is Eve guys seem to be the source of that in some sort of bizarre entitled nerd mentality.
You're not slick MatPat.
>>154234397>Start chatting to my cool new fans on x.com in between posting about my lust for uncut cock>Accidentally give too much away>MFW Viv says gotta take it down>MFW NDA violationWait what the fuck happened? Also lute deserves better then adam and i hope she gets plapped by abel in the near future
>>154234374Lute is a long-lived Wrath demon, the “just made” thing is her being remade into an Angel form. Adam’s personal creation. Lute has a ton of experience at aggressive slaughter.
>>154234422To be honest, I don't think he's even trying anymore. He's just annoyed that he's met his match and possibly someone even more annoying than him. Difference is, at least the other schizo can back it up with interviews and shit.
>>154234397>Start chatting to my cool new fans on x.com in between posting about my lust for uncut cockIs this Jessica or Lute? It also kinda works in Lute's case.
>>154234434Abel/Lute does have promise.
>>154234440Jessica hornyposts
>>154234434Jessica voska did in fact say that support Lute liking uncut cock! https://x.com/JessicaVosk/status/1756440060084257058?s=20
>>154234434>plapped by abel in the near futurePretty sure that's Emily's fate. Abel will end up being a BLACKED victim for sure.
>>154234439Is my style of AUTISM really that similar to Manpad?
>>154234469I think he was talking about me? I've been spazzing about Lute Eve since forever
>>154234439The guy who leaves a blank line before posting isn't Matpat. It's the guy with a huge fat fetish.
>>154234478Adding: I'm the one that tries to pull up interviews and commentary and sources where I can. Last time I tried to give him an interview to where Viv said that two characters being the same one isn't going to be a thing, and that pretty much debunks Rosie being Lilith. Oh he was big annoyed with that one. I also have other sources on certain other topics that I try not to share, because I don't want dox, anyone. And Matt tends to claim I'm making shit up or imagining things. It's pretty funny
>>154234493Is that that one artist on Twitter??
>>154234439>>154234469Nah the difference between you Lute Schizo and MatPat is that you're actually polite and if someone asks you to chill you tend to do it. MatPat's a retard who can't read the room and his biggest issue is his massive ego. You can be a schizo autismo but you need to be polite otherwise people will get tired of you fast.
>>154234478Oh I got confused. So I’m cringe “Demon Lute” guy and you are cringe “Eve Lute” guy. Now I think I understand.
>>154234517That one ant in the anthill? That one drop of water in the ocean?
>>154234501Not the person you replied to but, I remember that. He didn't believe the interview existed. I still think he doesn't actually. He said because it's not on the wiki page and he doesn't recall people talking about it, it must not exist. It's on the A24 app for less than $10
>>154234531Now I'm getting confused. I'm the Lute Eve schizo. The one always pulling up Jessica's deleted tweet? Oh joyous day, are there more Lute Eve schizos????? Let's all make out
>>154234517Pretty sure they are more fat artists on twitter than all the money in my bank account. It really doesn't narrow it down.
>>154234439I honestly have way too many instances of trusting interviews and cast members for what they say and then being given a giant turd or find out they were flat out of lying. I only somewhat trust them on their production work and nothing else.
>>154234538I genuinely laughed out loud at this. Thank you for pointing it out. I have a specific person in mind, it's the only fat fetish artist I have seen? I know y'all have been posting their artwork recently on a couple of threads? I don't know the name though
>>154234531To be honest I haven’t actually decided what Lute Demon hypothesis fits best.
>>154234554I'm sure there's two of you.
>>154234554I believe Lute is a demon but I don’t know I’m the only one. I only recently embraced this idea.
>>154234571NTA but I also post about Lute Eve theories and I think there's even more of us too but it's not like my recognisable thing if you get me
>>154234594I'm the one that's always trying to provide sources and shit. I thought I was getting a reputation here. But if there's more?? That's awesome as fuck
>>154234468Why not both?
>>154234611Because Lute is his mom
>>154234567I have a lot of fat Adam art saved and I'm struggling to think who you might be thinking of. This one?
>>154234611Being a bottom suits Abel, the slut,
>>154234621No, no. They post more Helluva Boss stuff. Always sketches on a light gray background?
>>154234639Oh you mean Keno. No he's not into Adam and last I heard he'd never even got around to watching Hazbin Hotel (he's a Helluva Boss guy). I don't like his stuff, doesn't do anything for me.
I'm not a Lute Eve schizo exactly, I don't really care for the twists, I'm mainly just watching for Charlie but from what I have seen, like Jessica's tweet, and the other shit... Yeah it's like kind of obvious? Not only did she support the theory, then she deleted it as far as I'm aware, and then something was said about little teasers of what's to come with her? And then she keeps saying shit like that she has trauma and that that she's not who we're led to believe she is? And then pair that with a viv's writing? It's just a captain obvious I think
>>154234621Adam fat? Another person of culture!!!
>>154234630He needs a BLACK QUEEN in his life. He's too much of a chubby fuck that he can't resist the chocolate.
The Lilith Being Rosie, evil twin Lilith shit is just Lucifer Shape-Shifting as Alastor, just reheated in the microwave. I remember when that shit was popping, and people really believed that.
>>154234699I can definitely see his fat white angel butt craving ebony love.
>>154234730That's pretty much Canon though? They hint at it in the show, and in the merchandise. I don't know if they're going to be end game. I personally like the idea that it's just a one-sided crush. But there's definitely something there. He wants to tap
>>154234745So what kind of individual is Abel’s lover in personality?
Do any of the hazbin cast masturbate to porn of their characters?
>>154234621good lord that bulge no wonder she's smiling. >>154234694i want to use his thighs for pillows...
>>154234785Joel probably (Valentino)
>>154234788I want to have intense same gender relationship with Adam (and feed his gluttonous self).
>>154234820get that man pregnant.
How do you guys feel about straight Adam and Abel now that the dust has settled?
Twitter:>Character turns out to be lesbian: YES I'm so really if she doesn't want to fuck a disgusting man! (This is okay)>Character turns out to be straight: YES I'm so really if she doesn't want to fuck a disgusting man! (This is not okay)The fuck?
>>154234846I think it makes sense. I was fully expecting both of them to be bisexual so it was actually a pleasant a surprise.
>>154234847It's Twitter. You should lower your expectations to the lowest point at the bottom of the sea otherwise you will pop a blood vessel.
>>154234847Why care about the perverts? They’re not speaking with the mouth of Jesus
>>154234846I called it. I knew it was weird as fuck when. Viv said Adam and Lute can be 'whatever. It doesn't matter'. Mark my words, she's straight too. I don't know why people are unironically expecting lesbian Lute
>>154234886That's because she's Eve, I'm almost positive. P sure they're going for whole, first humans are all het. It would be suspicious as fuck if they had her, Adam and Abel being allies.
>>154234846Puzzled. Don’t more gay guys like Abel and Adam?
>>154234842I want to give him an enormous food baby.
>>154234906I hate that this makes sense though. It's fucking weird that they bring back the canonically dead guy, in a positive picture with his son who we thought he had a bad relationship with, instead of her who had a whole song and everything. Either that or Viv legit does not give a shit about her female characters. Lute is not sufficient goon material
>>154234954I wish Adam was bi and Abel was gay,
The only reason people thought Adam was not straight even though all he talks about is fucking women, is because by default all fandoms are like that, and also Alex, his VA said he'd like cock so.
>>154234846>AdamIt was fucking obvious. Only fujos thought otherwise.>AbelPleasantly surprised.
>>154234954>Lute is not sufficient goon materialShe's a top tier goon muse. Also I'm pretty sure all her ( though there's not a lot of it) merch get buyed out super fast. Isn't the gravity trading card stupid levels of expensive.
>>154234975Adam never gave the impression that he was anything else other than straight. Going for the closeted homo thing seems retarded. But I assume they didn't make Abel queer because then it would look like Adam picked on him cuz he was not straight which would make the fans go le mad
>>154234975You have hundreds of thousands of fat guys in regular porn and furry porn. Adam and Abel are for the girls.
>>154234986Don't get me wrong, I like her. I'm not saying she's a bad character, I'm just saying, she's really not that popular. She has a few fans, and they're all stupid loud so it gives the impression she's a lot more popular than she actually is. And I say that because whenever something with Jessica is announced, like a con or a stream, nobody talks about it except for the same three people
>>154234886Lute lesbian is never happening and I'm waiting for the moment they confirm her to be straight. The Yurifags suffering heals my soul.
>>154234999I challenge that assertion.
>>154234926They're weirdly popular with women. Especially Adam.
>>154235004Lute has a lot of larpers for fans. They think she hated Adam or is secretly wanting Vaggie's cookie. At least the Adam fans that shipped him with the guys, would take into consideration everything and it could potentially work. Lute ""fans"" don't give a shit. They just want a blank character they can project woke lesbian feminist cringe on.
>>154235031Once Guitarspear becomes canon her real fans will celebrate.
>>154234847Allow me. Once upon a time, gay culture likes to make fun of straight culture by mimicking how straights sometimes reacted to gays.>"Ew why are they straight?">"As long as they don't do it in front of me?">"You're straight? Not like there's anything wrong with that."Fast forward a few decades. Tumblr happens. Tumblr is autistic and takes these sentiments literally in full Poe's Law mode.Fast forward a decade. Tumblr's brain rotted little sibling TikTok belongs in the special needs class.
>>154235031Yeah I wouldn't call those guys Lute "fans". Larpers is an accurate term. Hope we get straight confirmation so they fuck off back to glazing Chaggie and Lilith ( if she doesn't end up being too problematic for their standard).
>>154235065Taking notes, taking notes. Thank you for the lesson. That seems about right.
>>154235025Funny enough if they were actually women people would actually defend Fem Adam more.
I would love for Lilith to be problematic but not in the gay way, where she means well, and it just comes across bad, like her stupid ass husband. I mean bad bad. If Stella is anything to go by, she's going to have glazers who excuse everything about her anyway, but I really want them to be challenged because it'd be so funny
>>154235100100%. Same thing with guitarspear. If Lute was thirsting over a female Adam the same amount she does now, it would be hordes of: how dare you question her loyalty, Adam has never done anything wrong to her, how dare you accuse Adam of rape, etc
>>154234999And especially the wonderfully depraved girls who want to fatten them up.
>>154235123To me is funnier because if you reverse the genders of everyone in the garden of Eden story suddenly Lilith's the bad guy.
>>154235137Abel and Adam tend to attract everyone who's not a fan of Viv's generic tumblr sexymen. The show is so oversaturated with skinny twinks that the two A's become even more pronounced.
>>154235030It’s the confidence married to the fatness . Hits the buttons of the female chubby chasers. FemFeeder’s first object of desire.
>>154235065The world is getting to be like this in real life
I like that mask Adam is like a furry guy and maskless Adam is a regular guy
>>154235025what the fuck i love adamsapple now (except adam isn't fat, points deducted)
>>154235191I'm queer, in a family full of conservatives. That shit is so cringe, but this modern attitude from the LGBT is exactly why I don't associate myself with that shit either. Both are cancerous. I hate everything.
>>154234846Abel was mildly surprising by why would anyone be surprised about Adam
>>154235181perfect in every way>>154235205i will never understand people declaring adam's real face ugly, he's handsome af.
Not to be too woke but eh why not? I fucking hate that Adam and Lilith and most likely Eve are all fucking white. Why are they white. You could have made him look more interesting. He's just some guy. Both Lilith and Adam are just some guy/girl.
>>154235235He's pretty average? Fandom draws him pretty hot, but he's not even meant to stand out, I don't know why. He should! But Viv hates drawing actual attractive men for some reason.
>>154235238Scream to the abyss
>>154235212Fem Adam should have the body of a fertility goddess.
>>154235185Plus for fatties, they are neither weak nor passive.
Viv's got to save the Aryan race and all that
>>154235251Adam naturally is a lot more appealing to normal people and goth girls
>>154235235Adam is handsome to people who have sex irl and don't get their entire sense of sensuality from cartoons (just part of it)
>>154235218Would you rather end up as Gooseworx or take the other road
>>154235258Agreed. A lovely big round body of pure sex.
>>154235298Elaborate? The fuck happened to her? I mean I know of her, I also watch the digital circus but what happened?
>>154235181FEEDER Lute is best Lute.
>>154235289I don't know. He strikes me as a fat alcoholic streamer who has Cheeto dust on his fingers. But the fandom collectively reinterprets that as some overworked single dad, complete with Dad, bod and a bunch of piercings? I can see why the latter is appealing, but the one in the show? Ehhhh.
>>154235235He's a masculine dude in a sea of twinks. He probably comes off even more attractive to some because he's unique compared to the rest. Let's be honest Viv's male designs ain't really anything to write home about. If you don't have a fetish for twinks and femboys they mostly fall flat. Fan art making everyone hotter than they look in the show tends happen to every character.
>>154235332This is the actual correct answer. He's just different from her usual aesthetic. Striker came close, but I think that's only because Norman Reedus was doing a sense of justice there. Until he was taken off or whatever the fuck happened, and then he merged with the rest of the twinks. All sense of masculinity is just gone. Now he's satire. Oh and he's allergic to sex now.
>>154235312A lot of drama.
>>154235329I think he's fuckable exactly as he is in the show
>>154235218I agree to a degree. Rightoids are worse but modern leftoids are way too PC/killjoy about everything. Older gays were way more edgy/based. You doin okay btw?
>>154235357That fucking skid mark. Barf.
>>154235347Striker always hated Sex. He kicked a girl for wanting him
>>154235357Must stuff him full of food.
>>154235369>Older gays were way more edgy/based.This exactly. Maybe I'm just too old. I'm good. Been surviving as I always do ( as one does. ) Thank you for asking!
>>154235375That man was gay as fuck. Look how he grabbed Moxie in his debut and how he wrestled with Blitz. Gay gay gay. Walking sex appeal. I swear, they draw him skinnier now. Or are we just talking about specifically straight characters? My bad. I thought we were talking about masculine characters.
I want to see Adam when he was in Eden and fit.
>>154235157Why are you right though. That's pretty funny
>>154235407Striker can’t even handle fake gay organisms.
>>154235157Isn’t Lilith always the bad guy
Do you guys think Lilith will be straight? I had my doubts, and I know likes don't count for shit but Viv did like a post where she's said to be pansexual so I just automatically assumed she wasn't straight. But if they're going to make all the Eden humans like that, at least the first ones... Maybe? Or are they going to do a more bull take and say that because she's 'bad seed's she likes women. Can you imagine the flak Viv would get for that shit?
>>154235440Long as he takes off his robe in the present day. I want to see his soft bigness.
>>154235470I mean... To be fair, to be fair, the figure of Lilith was made by, what some rabbis that were disgusted by women, probably in the closet and shit, so they tried to make this grotesque representation of women. So of course she's going to be painted as the worst thing on the fucking planet. But yeah, I'd say she's always been the villain. I'd be surprised if Viv would do that, which is why I don't think she will. I think she's going to go for the morally gray anti hero angle maybe
>>154235477And I don't really give two shits about fat. Adam. Give me fit and buff any day. Or strongman build is fine. But fat fat? Pass.
Adam wrestled bears back in his day. So did Abel.
>>154235505Wifeswap is retarded cause Viv could make a genuinely really evil Lilith and then reveal that the real one is a better person
>>154235555Wait what? So the real one would not be bad?
>>154235555My conspiracy is that there are in fact two liliths. No not Eve disguising herself as Lilith but two Liliths. The real one is probably not so nice, or at least not as nice as she used to be. She left Lucifer's ass. Lucifer makes a new one, the one he thinks Charlie needs, a mother figure, that would be Rosie.
>>154235573Yes
>>154235470I mean if the genders were reversed Male Lilith looks like a misogynist for not listening to his girlboss wife Fem Adam. Immediately hooks up with a smaller more submissive angel showing he treats women as disposable and only values them when they listen to him. He messes with fem Adam's new husband male Eve who's a good boy who actually listens to his wife. I mostly point this out because a lot of people would shit on Lilith if she was a man.
>>154235609You said wife swap is stupid. But then you say the bad Lilith isn't the real Lilith. So are you for or against wife swap? It sounds like you're for it.
>>154235473Viv can say she's pan and the only relationships we would ever see she had in the show were straight. It really doesn't matter. It's why show don't tell is important but Viv's to dumb for that.
>>154235614Holy shit. That does look kind of bad. I didn't even think about it like that. Arguably I will say at least for this show, it doesn't look like Autumn was necessarily assigned as the head of the relationship. Because if that were the case, Lilith would have been kicked out of the garden immediately after getting with Lucifer. That didn't happen. Lucifer and Lilith were still there, they didn't get kicked out until only after giving the fruit. Meaning looks like they were both honestly equal.
>>154235519Strongman Adam is underrated. That realistically the build he would have while he was on earth.
>>154235600Oh shit, that would actually explain why Rosie looks like Lucifer, and it would also account for the leak where they said that Lilith and Eve were twins AND Why that one employee said she THINKS Lilith is Rosie
>>154235539Honestly I could see Abel being the family's coward. Adam, Cain and Eve were all killing big animals with their bare hands but Abel never had the courage for that.
>>154235600Okay. That’s cool. But it’s kinda weird Lilith would look like storybook Eve at times if Lucifer wanted to do this. Like maybe Eve was her clone thing and Lilith altered her own appearance.
>>154235693I love the idea that all of Adam's family were tough, and Abel is the outlier
>>154235621Just because I think it’s true it doesn’t mean I don’t think it’s stupid.
>>154235697No actually it wouldn't be! Lilith in past artwork in the pilot looks exactly like the Eve figure. I thought maybe she would be Roo, because they both have the red sclera and white irises. But the idea that he made a new Lilith is possible since he's a Seraph, they create life. But regarding Eve looking like Lilith in the book, it's actually not far off. Like I said because past artwork of Lilith has her with that same exact hairstyle. The weird thing is, that Viv has never brought up Eve, ever. She's brought up Rosie, Lilith and Roo, but never Eve. Adam and Eve seem to have been made specifically for the show. Again, if you look at past artwork of Lilith, it looks exactly like the Eve figure. In fact, there's one where her and Lucifer are holding hands, and she looks like Eve from the side. Well she kind of looks like Emily a little bit more but regardless. Clearly Lilith has had different hairstyles. Lucifer is the one that told this story to Charlie, so of course Eve is going to have Lilith's likeness, especially if he is presenting himself as a hero who gave Humanity free will. He's basically drawing her twice.
>>154235708Yup. I always imagined Eve was a tough bitch. Like she would pick fistfights with sabertooths tough. I feel like she would be the disciplinary parent in the relationship since Adam strikes me as the chill type.
>>154235693Abel was famously the inventor of livestock farming and he slaughtered his sheep as sacrifices
>>154235720You could have clarified that in your original statement. It seemed like you contradicted yourself. But okay, thanks for the clarification.
>>154235768I support this because it would make Lucifer look even worse. Plus this is a kind of fuckery I could imagine him doing, even if he did not mean it in a malicious way. It would definitely fuck up Charlie though.
>>154235783Yup. I was kinda going for the idea he's fine with killing animals ( like the livestock he takes care of ) but wasn't the best when it came to picking fights with predators and hunting wild animals. Maybe he'd lock in when defending his flock but if he's alone he would immediately start running away.
>>154235789It’s text. You can imagine me being Morgan Freeman or a screaming Chris Chan and it changes the context completely.
>>154235810Just imagine how Rosie feels
>>154235810Lucifer being a missguided type of idiot seems to be the closest we'll get to any negative characterization for him.
>>154235783ikr wasn't the whole thing that abel's sacrifice was judged better by god because he slaughtered his best animals for god, while cain's was rejected because he kept the best vegetables for himself and gave god the rest? and that's what kickstarted cain's jealousy?
>>154235829Bro it had nothing to do with your tone LOL. You could have put a "but"
But who tops in RadioApple?
>>154235861No. It’s because Abel followed God’s command and Cain went off and did his own thing.
>>154235861No. God wanted a good offering. Abel gave him the best livestock, slaughtered it for him. Cain, being a farmer, tried his best and gave God his best vegetables / fruit. God didn't care for that offering, he wanted cattle and shit. Thus Abel's offerings were Superior.
>>154235984>I don’t want your cabbage. I want the death of my son.
>>154234846One of the few things in the show that makes you go "Well yeah that makes sense" which is probably why the fanbase freaked out about it.
>>154235984Right. Cain's offerings were shit, God didn't care for it. That's the version I grew up with anyway. I'm not really familiar with other ones. I think this wasn't an apocryphical text, but there was an unnamed first bride, that was not Lilith, came before Eve, but she was far too grotesque for Adam's liking. She was made in front of him and he was horrified. The reasons vary by the version but anyway, and one of them she is banished but still alive, and she comes back, and this is part of what starts the feud between Abel and Kane, because they both want to smash and marry her. But that's not Canon to the Bible. Just a fun little bit.
>>154236000I like you said one of the few things, because you know the structure is absolutely horrible.
>>154235984That feels like a rigged contest.
>>154236045Yeah that was kind of the point I think.
>>154236045The way of Cain is Mormonism, anon.Mormonism.
>>154236002>best fruits and vegetables The devil is wrong with that? Dude farms, doesn’t have cattle.
>>154236067Mormons didn’t even exist back then.
>>154236067I'm not familiar with Mormonism. Place I'm from is predominantly Orthodox.
>>154236065So God tested him to see if he would murder his brother?
>>154236101It’s an Utah thing. They believe Jesus and Satan are brothers and god literally fucked Mary. There is a cartoon of it and it’s presented as a space opera.
>>154236101Mormonism was established way after the time of The New Testament. Cain doesn’t appear in it to my knowledge.
>>154235962Who fucking cares? Both of them suck ass.
>>154236106What? No, he murdered his brother because he was jealous that his offerings were not good enough for God but his brothers were.
>>154236127The way of Cain is referenced in the New Testament to refer to corrupt Jews
>>154236119Which is why God hit Mormons with a literal plague of bugs, lol. I.e “Mormon Crickets”.
>>154236127Doesn't he? I thought Mormonism was the one where Cain is an immortal wanderer. I think they're the only ones that say that. It's generally understood that he was not immortal, he just had that Mark to prevent others from killing him. But Mormonism says he wandered forever as an immortal being.
>>154236160Which doesn’t feel fair. Fruits and vegetables are not a bad gift.
>>154236182In Mormonism, Cain is also supposed to be the Sasquatch.
>>154236196I didn't say it was fair. It's just what it is. But That still didn't make him justified in killing his brother. If God doesn't want your offering, then fine, he can dote on the favorite brother. Who gives a fuck. No, Cain said murder and rock to the fucking head. Good job, genius.
Did Abel have kids? I always got the impression that the first murder happened before either of them had children, thus resulting in all of mankind descending from Cain.
>>154236196What redeems sin in God’s eyes. Killing an innocent animal. Jesus even told his disciples to eat him to go to heaven.
>>154236230Bullshit
>>154236238>Did Abel have kids?No.
>>154236238Seth is the third brother that had Noah as a grandson.
>>154236174Wasn't Cain created as a ancestor type character for a group of people called the Cainites that the Jews had beef with?
>>154236251https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/3k40qw/cain_is_bigfoot_has_anyone_else_heard_this_story/
>>154236243Killing the innocent should not cancel out sin. It should compound it like interest on debt.
>>154236263Noah would be such a good foil for Adam but they'll never bring him on the show
>>154236238Seth is usually the one who's confirmed to have kids. Him being Adam's third son. Who was said to look sorta like him.
>>154236276I think that's considered folklore within the religion, but it is not official doctrine.
>>154236268No. Those guys are implied to be killed off by the giants, hence the flood.
Cain was not sympathetic. He was a jealous twat who had to kill his younger brother. Deserved the bad shit that came to him LOL. Looks like he had his dad's temper issue.
>>154236263Naamah is sometimes an unrelated female demon in some versions. Helps molest Adam in some of the raped Adam stories.
Could you imagine if Viv wobbied Cain
>>154236336I'd rather he just stay dead if she's going to do that.
>>154236315>>154236336Cain is probably gonna be less of a bad guy in the show. Viv could make Cain killing Abel be a accident.
>>154236360And she wobbies him after revealing he did something extremely awful to Lute that ruined her life.
>>154236376To Lute? Are you implying Lute=Eve? I'm not sure what you're going for.
>>154236364Honestly? I could see this Abel being dumb enough that he probably tripped somewhere and hit his head on the Rock. So it wasn't even Cain's doing. That would actually be funny. I'd get behind that. That could also make Adam's feelings on Cain makes sense. Right now the biggest issue is, okay he doesn't like Abel, and Viv confirmed that he was not among his favorite sons, implying that Caine in fact was. However... The issue is, if Cain is the first murderer aka the first sinner besides Eve, why the fuck would Adam even still like him? In fact, Adam makes fun of Charlie for considering the sinner's her family. That kind of implies he doesn't have family down there?? So if they make the whole Abel and Cain thing an accident, it could bypass all that while still keeping the integrity of the story. No fucking wonder Adam thinks Abel is a pussy. Lol he'd just be an idiot.
>>154236395That part is irrelevant. It’s the memes that matter.
>>154236364>>154236406Welcome to destroying the very point of the character.But I mean I guess that's perfectly in-line with HH.
>>154236376How could he do something bad to her if she's Eve? That's what I think anyway. Or are you going for the whole Lute being a hellborn demon that was traumatized by sinners? Because I don't buy that shit. I already told you I don't.
>>154236406I always trust more on what comes out than what the creator says. So no real opinion on that.
>>154236406I was more imagining Cain being angry and jealous at Abel so he chucks a rock at him because he's having a tantrum. Rock goes for a critical hit and one shots Abel. Cain instantly start panicking and regretting everything when Abel ain't getting up. Basically a accidental murder.
>>154236430Right, because Viv is known to be biblically accurate? The fuck? Are you stupid? Are you not familiar with the Lucifer of this show? is this Matpat convinced on the whole able being some bloodthirsty psychopath, right? God forbid it's already canon that he actually wasn't the bad son. Jesus Fuck man. Come on.
>>154236406i could see abel being too afraid to tarnish adam's view of his eldest son and say 'oh i tripped on a rock oops' instead of revealing the truth, especially if cain lied to them first and made himself sound like a failed hero who tried to save him but couldn't.
>>154236460That could actually work too. I'm curious to see if they're even going to address that.
That sounds kinda MatPaty.
>>154236438Earthborn, Hellborn, heavenborn, don’t care. The point is the meme. And the meme potential.
>>154236470I really like this take too.
>>154236406I'll just do it to myself before people accuse me of shit >Headcanon alertIt was just a fun possible route. I could see that taking. Otherwise. I'm really curious as to see how Adam justifies his son being a sinner. It would go against what he said to Charlie. I know he's a hypocrite and all that, but again I would love to hear how he excuses his son.
>>154236509easy. >lucifer and his demons that can access the human world obviously corrupted my kid :(
>>154236463I said Abel is someone I don’t trust and has some red flags I just can’t ignore. Don’t make a whole discussion about it. That shit derails the threads.
>>154236527>Abel has red flagsGot it, matpat alert. Thank you.
>>154236509Maybe Viv is going with the immortal wanderer Cain take. He would technically not be a sinner since he never died. He's still just a human. Could also explain why Adam doesn't know what's he's up to.
>>154236539Everyone who hates Abel say he's a coward and a doormat. Super valid reason to hate him. He's also kind of whiny and a pussy. But having red flags? LMAO Dead giveaway
>>154236539Just please don’t go over anything about the Abel things. You and I know it’s pointless.
>>154236547Oh! That's a good point!! I keep forgetting that her shows are based off of Catholicism, Judaism and Mormonism.
>>154236463You type like a retarded woman, complete with being a schizo and accusing me of being someone else. I've been in these threads for like 3 days.Arguing with you is useless. There's 'being biblically accurate' and 'throwing out the entire message and theme of the character to replace them with your retarded twink OC' but as you said that's the norm for Viv so carry on. I just wanted you to know your idea is retarded.
>>154236567Don't fucking respond to the Abel things then. Nobody wants to hear it. What, we're not supposed to talk about that shit because it'll trigger you? Fuck off. That's not my problem. You can vent on a separate post. At the very least, people aren't going to respond to you anyway.
>>154236592You just wanted to let me know My idea is retarded? Kkkkk Good job pal! Gold star for you
>>154236592>throwing out the entire message and theme of the character to replace them with your retarded twink OC>Vivziepop with Lucifer, Abel, Peter,nta i get you're pissy at other people and their takes, but that's kind of a retarded thing for you to complain about
The person wasn't replacing anyone? They were saying that instead of Cain killing Abel, Abel's retarded ass killed himself.
>>154236659Actually stupid but that's okay. Try really hard to think. Like actually sit down, slow your dog brain down, and think about what people are talking about instead of posting.Start doing that for most things in your life too. Trust me the people around you will be all the better for it.
>>154236678Whoa, easy there girl. Quit your barking. You want a treat? That's a good girl!
>>154236593> What, we're not supposed to talk about that shit because it'll trigger you?No. It’s because everytime people bring anything thing like this up, they just explode into pointless dramas.
let's talk about something everyone can agree on like the speaker of god having the best female vocals in the entire show.
>>154236678You could at least respond to the person who made the post you're so pissy about. Go touch grass or something. You seem stressed.
>>154236698Correction. You do. Just you. Then you get mad when nobody responds. We're not going to stop talking about Abel and Cain just because you have shit takes about them. Literally nobody else but you thinks Abel is a red flag. Vent about it on your personal accounts, or do so here and stop trying to force people to respond to you.
>>154236637Abel is surprisingly the least offensive of the three since he can be a shepherd boy who got his skull cracked and still be the pussy we see in Hazbin.
>>154236706Well yeah, it's Liz Callaway. Though I will be ballsy and say: the Castilian Spanish version of the speaker singing voice? Blows Liz, away. Or the Latino Spanish version? I can't recall. Do you guys think speaker is a lesbian or asexual?
>>154236706Do you think she has a cloaca?
>>154236744We don't know what happened yet between him and Cain in Hazbin.
>>154236778Still he isn't completely contradictory like Lucifer or Peter ( look how they massacred my boy).
>>154236706But would you tap the Speaker?
>>154236806Who wouldn't tap the speaker?
>>154236757some variant of bisexual where she's emotionally/romantically attracted to men but physically/sexually attracted to women. i say this purely to torment sera.>>154236769yes and she lays an egg every morning, which hatches into an alternative dimension.
>>154236806would not hesitate.
>>154236119Said 'cartoon' was an adaptation of the book Godmakers, a book made by Born Again Christians with no actual approval by Modmon 'officials'. That's like using an AmazingAtheist video as a dunk on wider Christianity.>>154236182No, no Mormon scripture specifies whether Caine is alive or dead. There IS a Hebrew apocrypha where he dies from a stone house collapsing on him, though.>>154236230That's a folktale that has no actual foundatio in Mormon doctrine or scripture. Very few members believe that, much less are aware it's something they 'supposedly' believe.>>154236178Then why were the seagulls for?
>>154236866Got it! Thank you for the lesson! I was so sure that immortal Cain was a Mormon thing
>>154236806Think Sera did?
Odds Speaker is Sera’s GF?
>>154236728My takes are not bad. People constantly argue in incredibly bad faith about them and I get blamed for their beastly behaviors. Even when I put down a whole character background recap based on surface-level show content, it’s taken as seething and “lol mad”.
>>154236968Nta. Your takes are mid, but your analysis are crap. And where people say why it's crap and give you valid counter argument, you get mad. That's why nobody wants to talk with you. People are allowed to talk about Abel, Cain, Adam, etc. asking people not to just because it hurts your sensibilities is not anybody else's problem. Make your own posts or vent about it somewhere else.
>>154236968Your takes are astronomically bad. To the point where I'm actually sure you're doing this shit on purpose.
>>154236567Matpat, people can talk about whatever the fuck they want. Nobody's going to stop just because of you ask people to.
>>154236948Zero. I think. I wouldn't be opposed to it though.
>>154237009>>154237031Name a single issue of Cain dying and becoming a scarecrow sinner, a form that would reflect his background of farming and where he killed his first victim. And the immense fear Abel has because of his experiences with Cain.
There he goes again. Don't respond, just let him talk. Y'all know the drill. Question: do you guys think the good entity has replaced God? Or does God exist and he made the good and evil deities? I've seen people be split on this 50/50.
>>154237068I think they could have good chemistry. Two angelic voices crying out.
>>154237110Didn't Charlie say that heaven worshiped good? So I kind of assumed she takes the place of God all together. As in the abrahamic, God doesn't exist in this universe. She's essentially it?
>>154237110god exists but as adam was made in god's image, god is basically adam. as a result, 'good' and 'evil' are skewed into what god (adam) thinks is good and evil.
>>154237281I'm talking about Hazbin lore specifically. Not the Bible. Hazbin has not specified that Adam or Lilith were made in God's image. Unless I missed something.
>>154237312it hasn't but i think it would be funny.
The Speaker is cute!
>>154237657She needs love.
>>154237683I don't think she needs anybody. I think she can handle herself just fine
The ideal male body type.
>>154231177cant wait for the lame reveal Lilith is EVIL all along
>>154237894He is pure sex.
>>154237894He's so sexy.
>>154237920>The evil woman is Le Evil?>How could Charlie (the perfect example of why abortion should be legal) not notice this sooner?
>>154237967Is he sucking milk?
>>154237920Like evil as in bad or like the evil entity we see in episode 1?
>>154237894But should he be BIGGER?
>>154237920>Lilith is Lilith, a shit mom>Lute is Eve, a shit mom>Rosie is a former angel. The only one who's not a mom but is the best mom Cue the fandom collectively losing their shit.
>>154237979maybe
>>154238221I love how this artist draws Lute.The Adam I give it a 2 out of 10
>>154238152>Lute is Eve, a shit momShe seems a bit of a hardass but maybe she's not that bad. It not like she had ideal circumstances when it came to raising kids.
Don't help her. She's where she wants to be
>>154238152Does Viv have Mommy issues?
>>154238256I meant currently. I'm hoping that as a mom she was a bit nicer/cooler.
>>154238266Most probably.
>>154238266No she has daddy issues Gooseworx has mommy issues
>>154238261Stupid sexy fat pig Adam!!!!!
>>154238266Yes? That's sort of the general takeaway. I'm not even pulling your leg. That's the consensus. Look at Stella. Any potential good mom straight up die. She never gave Moxxie's mom a name, but she names all the background characters. If Viv's mom issues are going to kick in anywhere, I wanted to be with Lilith and Lute/Eve.
>>154238271Currently ( if that's the case) we only seen her interact with her Abel who is pretty childish and sheltered. Can't really fault her for getting pissed at him.
>>154238261Hotty...
>>154234055That is kind of weird how they just put that in there? Also besides a handful, everyone craps on the Lute being Eve theory. Makes me suspicious, so I wonder if they're working off of some information they have that we don't or if they're really just making shit up. But then given Jessica's tweet.... Yeah
>>154238274But her moms are either bitches or dead.
>>154234055Sooooo.... In this show, able was the oldest? I'm not really against that or anything. Just curious. I do know that in some texts they switch the birth order with Abel and Cain. Sometimes they're even twins. I kind of like that. The cowardly first born.
>>154238342I don't know why this made me laugh so hard.
>>154238314Imagine rubbing his fat belly.
>>154238354***** Abel, not able. Stupid ass fingers.
>>154238376
>>154238399That is the kind of belly that deserves endless Lute pampering.
I think we're going to find out what happens to Adam's body in season 3. No I'm not advocating for him to be alive. I just find it really fucking suspicious that Alex kept harping on that we were going to find out in season 2. And then he changed his aunt to, I don't know. Bullshit. Same thing with Jessica. She said we were going to get some stuff with Lute and then she got super quiet. I'm telling you.... All this stuff was pushed in season 3. Which Viv did confirm, pushing it the Lilith's stuff off onto season 3 because the TV man had to get priority
Oh yeah, I keep forgetting ,,,, we're going to find out why Rosie is so powerful next season
>>154238434>TV man had to get priorityNot a great use of their time. TV man and his shenanigans were pretty disappointing.
>>154238478Tv man and his shenanigans could have waited for either the spin-off or for the stuff with Alastor. Also, did it actually serve a greater narrative purpose? I mean I guess to settle the heaven and Hell stuff?
>>154238434I can pull up the quote later but I want to say that we were going to have our jaw dropped regarding Lute at the end of season 2? Obviously nothing worthy of note happened at the end. So my wild tin foil theory is that yes, all that stuff was meant to happen along with the Lilith stuff, and it'll happen in season 3. Think.... I think season 3, at the end will get some sort of reveal, then we'll go into season 4 which is the gold season, possibly Lute, and then season 5 is the red, I assume it's Roo. It's even going by the old leaks by that former employee, that lines up with the Eve timeline. She does her thing, gets forgiven by Charlie, and then it's revealed that Roo is the big bad. But we'll see.
>>154238549You know, Lucifer gotten the Roo Apple from a tree. What happened to that tree?
>>154238621Sighhhh. Not this shit again. No there aren't extra *roo apples* everywhere. No, demon Lute didn't eat one and get corrupted.
>>154238621Dude seriously.
Why does Matpat keep bugging the Lute Eve schizos on these threads. Did I miss something
I wish Viv would let us see Adam’s big belly.
>>154238660Yes. That tree and its fruit is the main reason why this entire story has so much conflict just by Eve eating one. Like, what if Lucifer or Emily get their hands on it and encounter Roo in season 4.
>>154238816No matpat.
>>154238816>Headcanon alert
>>154238691i think he's bitter or something idek ,
>>154238799I wish we got more merchandise without his stupid ass mask
>>154238885Concur.
>>154235369I've never understood taking downers at a party.
>>154239025its to relax their asshole
>>154238874It’s lots of things. The steps Eve could become Lute are basically unfathomable to me and they mock me for it because “it’s so simple, you idiot, SERA-”. I don’t really like taking vague twitter posts or interviews absurdly seriously that it overlooks “the hows and whys” too much or what is featured in the show. And I am rather unhappy with how they treat other users like they’re mega wrong and stupid for going with Lilith Eve and the endless ranting on anyone else that supports it. It triggers me in very similar ways I despise normies for in real life.
Wait, did people not like season 2? I thought it was a huge improvement over season 1. I can't remember anything that happened in season 1 except Adam's song. And some cannibals I guess.
How would your favorite character react to hearing that someone has been jacking off into their morning cup of tea/coffee every day?
>>154239295
>>154238874Yeah, see I called it.Bitter.
>normies
>>154239274People don’t like it because it’s filler with some big parts that make people wish they gotten season 3 instead. Especially with the carebesr stare. Even with pure theory autism, it’s rather a very purposeless season for content that could’ve been one or two episodes. If you grew up with anything like KND, Regular show, adventure time, etc. The entire Vox story could be summed up that quickly. The musical elements dragged up the pacing and given Vox several villain songs that could’ve been cut off.
>>154239393I want to hook Adam up to a feeding machine, and watch him expand with fat.
>>154239274I personally did like it at the time but in retrospect it's frustrating because we know for a fact now that the season 3 storyline, Lilith, her family, Eden stuff,, the storyline that got the show greenlit in the first place was pushed back to season 3, furthering it along another season. All this stuff has been the subject of schizo theorizing for years, and we thought we were going to get those answers in season 2. We didn't, we got something not necessarily essential to the main storyline (I don't think so anyway?) It was just filler. All that could have been used for Alastor's arc or even as a side plot that eventually merges with the main heaven and hell stuff. The TV head didn't need his own dedicated season. I like Vox, don't get me wrong, but he's the least of my worries right now.
>>154239336Appropriate
>>154239478It doesn’t help that the mystery bait has been going on before the first season launched. The stage we are at feels like people are genuinely done waiting and just want their answers. Which I cannot blame them for.Also, “this is the overlord season”. This what Viv considers to be the biggest use of them in the show since Lilith is going to do it better.
>>154239543Have you seen the interview where she describes the roller coaster thing? Something about how season 3 is the point of no return, before we get to the top, something like that? And it's like ???? Girl what???? And then I get so confused by her three point storyline structure. It's frustrating because this stuff should have already been answered. It's worse because she purposefully set up season 1 to go into season 3 storyline, but then made the deliberate choice to change trajectory once he got greenlit from were seasons. At this point we should have been talking about anything else, but we're still talking about who is Lilith, who's Rosie who's this, who's that blah blah blah. It's so annoying.
>>154239543I'm only holding out hope for a little bit Just because season 3's story is supposedly what got the show greenlit to begin with so, something must have been impressive, right?
>>154239393The fact that he says that is so funny. Peak middle school shooter emo complex. Gets pissed when no one pays attention. So he has to fuck it up for everyone else.
>>154239576Yeah. I barely really care about the storyline besides my favorites (Adam, Lute, and Abel) and trying to solve it like it’s a puzzle. The story is a directionless mess of endless stalling and lack luster foreshadowed twists (Angel Dust the sleeper agent). Viv talks about how Alastor doesn’t have enough time with the other two vees, when that is caused by the overly long musical segments. And even without that, Viv will somehow screw it up with more directionless nonsense, as seen in helluva boss. So what makes season 3 different?????
>>154239642From the wiki/I remember watching this interview: In an early-2026 interview, Vivziepop compared the series to the three-act structure, where seasons 1 and 2 together are Act One, season 3 is either Act Two on its own or seasons 3 and 4 together are Act Two, and either seasons 4 and 5 together are Act Three or season 5 is Act Three on its own. She explains that season 3 is like the point of no return where the "roller coaster starts going up", and season 4 is another rising action that leads to the climax of season 5, so she feels seasons 4 and 5 connect the most. Vivziepop further says that if the show ended at after either season 1 or 2 the show would feel like a fun show, but if the series ends after season 3 or 4 it will feel like there is more that needs to be told.Like DUDE, the fuck?!?
>>154239615I'm not sure why he's pretending any others on this thread share his headcanons. He's not good at pretending to be other people.
>>154238549Found it!"That’s what happened with my character. We did several, several iterations of who Lute could be, what she sounds like, where is she coming from, what’s going to happen, all of these little teasers and tiny ways of what’s to come, and it’s something that I wasn’t expecting." https://screenrant.com/hazbin-hotel-jessica-vosk-daphne-rubin-vega-interview/?utm_content=buffer6fb62&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_source=SR-TW&utm_campaign=SR-TW"But Season 1 is a setup for what you're about to see in Season 2 with my character, which is a lot more badass than I even know. I thought, ‘This is my villain era.’ I've always wanted to do animation, and to get a chance to do this, to have it be musical is killing two birds with one stone. Think everybody is going to gasp at the end of this season in a massive way. Fans are not going to expect it, or maybe they will expect it, because the fans are incredibly smart in a way that I haven't dealt with fandom before. Perhaps they will know what's going to happen, but I think going into Season 2, even I'm surprised at the way that it's going to go." https://movieweb.com/vivienne-medrano-jessica-vosk-daphne-rubin-vega-hazbin-hotel-interview/Oh yeah. This bitch is Eve
>>154239743Forgot: "I think I’m surprised at what’s to come, and I think everybody will have a lovely mouth wide open gasp. And there’s a lot that’s to come,"
>>154239763>>154239743wow ,,, she's not exactly being subtle, is she
>>154239780Or we’re getting punked
>>154239780Nope. You can tell she's trying not to say more than she's allowed. Erika does that too. Alex doesn't since I'm sure he really doesn't give a fuck. Christian does it and Amir it's a hit or miss
>>154239615Jesus declared mankind as evil and said they’re on the broad road to destruction. And narrow is the way to heaven. Normal people are simply evil.
>>154239743i don't really give a fuck about the Eve shit, but i do find it amusing that the VA has brought up that sort of thing multiple times without being directly asked. Once is a joke. Twice is a coincidence. Several times over two years? "She's clearly lying!!' loltho i will say ,,, storytelling-wise, I tend to favor whatever interpretation that requires fewer moving parts. "Lute is Eve" is one reveal. "Rosie is Lilith, Lilith is Eve, Roo is pulling strings, and Charlie has been deceived for years" is several reveals that all depend on each other and don't really line up right now esp after season two
>>154239948You're not Jesus.Don't ever even compare yourself to Jesus, you cretin.
>>154239968>Beware the local schizo dubbed MatPat. Ignore all forms of conversation.-taps the sign- Just let him yell. Who cares.
Jesus can eat my ass.
>>154239952I don’t know about the Eve thing.All angels are male and female.Winners and sinners are mankind and they are male and femaleAll hellborn races are male and female.But every exorcist is female and barely distinctive, and Adam and Abel are there to fill in the missing gap.Like maybe Lute was supposed be the Eve of her race and due to misfortunes, Heaven never given her an Adam.
>>154233725Youre thinking of The deluge of Deucalion, and thats a Greek myth and how we got bronze age humans.
>>154239968If you hate what I said, take it to the Bible and God.
>>154239984Jesus should get raped.
>>154240012Don't think so. She's just Eve and the rest of the Exorcists are probs her clones. the VA requoted the theory. it's kind of clear cut. Adding potential variables like: she's a part of Eve's fragmented soul, she's a clone of Eve, she's Eve but she has amnesia, blah blah is just adding shit for the sake of it and making it as convoluted as Lilith being Rosie being Eve being--
>>154240038You're not worth God's time. whatever makes you sleep at night tho
>>154240059This is also pretending Hazbin's seasons are a lot longer than what they actually are. They'd need a lot more than just an eight-ep season if they're gonna cram some bullshit clone / amnesia / whatever the fuck on top of the Eve thing.
>>154240059We have a Heaven building in Hell. There must’ve been angels meant to be there and the only ones Heaven sends down there are Exorcist angels.
>>154240072Okay. You have some issues. He can help you with it.
>>154240144That's the embassy. It was a place for Heaven and Hell to negotiate, communicate, and address issues between their realms.
>>154240161kkkk school shooter.
is matpat trying to preach lmao
Is Roo going to turn good?
>>154240203He does that sometimes. He thinks of himself as a messiah or some shit. He doesn't even have his religious theology correct most of the time. I think he used to be a Mormon? idek
Matpat thinks he's half angel.
>>154240207Roo/Evil and Good probably have a Raava and Vaatu thing going on.
>>154240182And the Exorcists angels happen to be the most appropriate ones to be there, but the whole set up instead uses holograms to avoid making contact. It feels like there is some deep and dark secrets down there we don’t know yet currently impacting the world building.
>>154240221Didn't he think of himself as a literal angel at some point or was that some other nutjob
>>154240230ok
Evil = Roo = Root of all EvilGood = Ray = Ray of HopeSame employee that said the Lilith/Eve stuffs and wasn't sure who Lilith was, back in 2021. She pitched the name for the Good goddess. let's see if Viv took that too.
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>>154240250screenshot this.
>>154240235No idea.
>>154240235That was someone using my name to troll for fun.>>154240221It’s more complicated than that. I’m the remnants of that horrible act and got the unlucky draws normal humans shouldn’t have. Other ones have this happening: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/why-do-redheads-need-more-anesthesiaAnyone who has this was on God’s genocide list to secure Jesus’ bloodline till his birth.
>>154240242Thank you
....... the fu-Anyway! GUITARSPEAR
>>154240250I wonder if Lilith and Lute are supposed to look like her.
>>154240330Nope. Your point was nonsensical. Take a hint and actually watch the show.
>>154240357he won't. he watches it with half of his brain shut off.
>>154240341Yes.
Wtf....
>>154240367This slaps.
>>154240357Watching the show has no answers to this mystery yet. Just endless questions that feel like we’re in the deep sea ocean.
So Matpat thinks he's a nephilim?
>>154240394He's uh, a bit special.Yeah... special. Let's go with that.
Redheads don't have souls tho
it's coming yall ,,,, def.
>>154240414I actually have been drawn to them since as a little kid. Spamming the VHS tape of Annie every day.
>>154240418o--OH WORM?!!!
>>154240418OOOOOhhh duh. Now the 'The only ever soul that completed you' and the 'I never got the chance to tell you' kinda makes sense
Do nephilim have special abilities?
>>154240504Look at Charlie: does she have special abilities? There's your answer.
>>154240517Okay.
>>154240527And no, Abel is not a Nephilim. Hope that helps.
>>154240558I didn't think he was.I forgot about Charlie being a nephilim btw, sorry about that.
>>154240576Some actually think he is, for whatever reason.
>>154240504A lot of them do and there’s myths based on that. Bur a lot them also just turn out to be disgusting defects. The vampires, Sasquatches, and other freak shows. Having these massive horn-like warts all over their bodies.They also had double-rows of teeth. Snake lips that makes like like they’re always smiling. And red hair. It’s disgusting.
>>154240583That's dumb.
>>154240583That’s mainly from Adam cucked theory.
>>154240595Extremely so.
>>154240601I've heard people think Abel is Adam/Lilith's kid because... blonde.
>>154240614That would take six months to even work.
>>154240418When this happens, people are going to say it was a last minute addition LMAO. The fandom will go to shittttttt
>>154240673Anything about Eve will be cancer if she turns out to be disguised as Lute or Lilith.
>>154240683I'll take Lute over it being Lilith.
>>154240683See:>>154240418
>>154239692I actually heard season 4 is the cool down fun season from Viv herself.
>Adam comes back>He decides to adopt the entire exorcist squad Lute has because they have no dad
>>154240694I think the people that want Lilith/Eve/Rosie/Roo whatever want Adam to be cucked multiple times lol
>>154241181personally I'm more confused why they just want Eve to be a carbon copy of Lilith in every way, shape and form. Talk about boringggg
>>154241199Eve wouldn’t be a carbon copy of Lilith. She would be what Lilith failed to be. A Giga Queen.
>>154241235So the tall blonde white woman sings better than the other tall blonde white woman. mkay
>>154241259Tall blonde women are already hard to differentiate. We do not need even more overlap.
>>154241181It's kinda creepy NGL. I always find cuck stuff enthusiasts pretty weird.
>>154241946This is exactly what the Litlith/Rosie/Eve evil twin switch theorists want, I swear to fuck
>>154242080it's fucking hilarious since both of those are Lilith. let Lilith be a bad/evil mom!
>>154242090
100 hours in photoshop and I fixed her.
>>154242418Goated edit
>>154242418Straight? Ew. Put it back.
So now that Abel put Lute in her place is Lute going to force Abel to be her boyfriend and indulge her masochism by calling her a bitch and spanking her like she always wanted Adam to do?
>>154242463Death to all Yurifags.
>>154242466Cringe.
Release the fatty
>>154236913Happy to teach, Anon. Cain's fate has always been a debated topic among denominations for ages. Mostly because none of the books the Bible is compiled of bothered to include an actual answer.The things about Cain that ARE part of Mormon scripture are;>Adam and Eve had several other kids before Cain and Abel>Cain began to worship Satan over God and reveled in wickedness>Entered unholy covenants with Satan to found secret combinations (essentially 'really evil Devil Worshipping shit better off not elaborated on')>These Secret Combinations made Cain a Son of Perdition (Mormon term meaning someone who had a totallly perfect knowledge of God and still turnd away from Him), denying him Salvation.
>>154242883Interesting!!! I wonder if Viv will carry any of this to Hazbin. In the A24 interview, she listed Mormonism as one of the inspirations for her worldbuilding. I think the other two are Judaism and Catholicism.
>>154242915The ONLY thing in Helluverse that could tangible relate to Mormonism (askde from the basic premise of Hell being more of a corrective place to learn and eventually reform) is Adam maybe or maybe not having Michael's role as head Archangel.The thing is the reason that's a thing is because Mormons believe in a Premortal existence.The TL;DR version is>Everyone who has ever existed/will ever exits' souls existed before our bodies. Earth and mortal existence is us receiving physical bodies, learning good from evil, and exercising agency.>part of Lucifer and the third of Heaven that followed him's punishment is never receiving physical bodies of their own.>A lot of archangels' lives were as old prophets. Mormons also believe that Noah was the moral life of the Archangel GabrielHelluverse as far as we see, does not have this concept, so the Adam = Michael thing kind of falls flat.
>>154242915I think she's just bullshiting. Her knowledge seems incredibly sparse. The rumor that she didn't know Saint Peter was a real guy feels pretty believable.
>>154237894How do they have sex without him squashing her?
>>154243437The squashing is her favourite part. It's kinda like a BDSM thing.
>>154243619She loves how firm yet soft he feels, pinning and pressing her under hundreds of angel pounds.
>>154244671She’s just jealous he’s big and she’s scrawny.
>>154231177This show is highly satanic because it has DEMONS andn HOMERSEXUALS
>>154244885The joke stops being funny after the third time. You do this shit every time you show up. The dead horse isn't being beaten it's just rotting at this point.
What happened to Jake? Did he get banned?
>>154245164He probably fucked off to another thread. He did mention that he frequented the Semen Retention General.
>>154234621>>154234694Adam isn't fat. He's just wearing a robe and they just prefer to draw him with a specific stylized silhouette. Same reason why he sometimes has a super long giraffe neck. You don't think he has a long giraffe neck do you...?
>>154246176The neck.
>>154246176>>154246181The show is really inconsistent with the height, designs and supposed weight of characters. It can vary from scene to scene.
>>154246176For me it's always been obvious his design is supposed to be fat. Lucifer by cements this by saying he let himself go. He's supposed to be fat.
>>154243103No, yeah, I don't think she's doing thorough research. She's probably grabbing surface level elements and applying them to the show. I'm fine with that. I'm just curious what specifically for Mormonism she was inspired by or directly borrowed. I would argue that Adam is the Michael stand-in or at least a reference to it since he's head of the army.
>>154246282Yeah Adam is totally a tub and Lute clearly likes it. In her imagination, Adam was even fatter.
>>154246366Hallucination Adam does look like a big pigeon in some shots of his office.
Who are we supposed to ship Emily with? Serpentious? Charlie?
>>154246580Abel
>>154246580I assume she's going to BLACK Abel and that's what they're going for.
>>154242080That's because fandom is retarded.
>inb4 future scene where Angel is about to shoot more porn for Valentino when JUST in the nick of time they realise by accident they put Angel & Arackniss together for the same video which is how he's introduced to the plot
Abel is so much shorter than Adam because Lute/Eve is his mother. Send tweet.
>>154246618I love how he's so much shorter than Adam, but next to Lute he's a giant. At least it looked that way in certain shots
>>154246610>>154246595Uhhh isnt abel already getting shipped with lute tho?
>>154246676Lute is his mom
>>154246628Lute and Abel are usually around the same height. It fluctuates, sometimes he's taller and sometimes she's taller.
>>154246741Again show is very inconsistent with this stuff. That's why Adam's actual height is hard to deduce.
>>154246676It's a handful of people that do so. However, worthy of note... Viv has not liked ANY snippy Abel/Lute artwork. But she has liked even rarer ships for Lute - like Roo/Lute or Vox/Lute, which is harder to find than Abel/Lute. A couple of artwork she liked of Abel and Lute, he refers to her as weekend mom, and another it was like a family photo between Adam, her and Abel..
I just think if Eve looked basically like Lilith she and Adam wouldn't be producing such tiny children
>>154246764Meant to say shippy not snippy.
>>154246780I don't understand why people want her to be a carbon copy of Lilith with different bangs. Holy fuck that would be so lame and boring. Literally that's what people want. Just an evil version of Lilith, with red eyes and side sweat bangs. That's their Eve.
People thought Abel was Lucifer's son but actually he's Adam's, he just has cute shorty Lute genes in him.
>>154246721I thought rosie was eve?>>154246764>vox/luteNow thats a crack ship lmaoBut it does kinda suck that i guess any vox ship has to be kinda crack since his official two options al and valentino have their own much more official ships (rosie/angeldust respectively)I guess if i had to pair vox with someone... velvette? But she's kinda better with carmilla, but im guessing carmilla has some off-screen husband she had those two kids with that she killed the angel to defend
>>154246832Nah, Vox is genuinely in a relationship with Valentino. Angel Dust is just an employee and sex slave to Val
>>154246832From the leaks, the general accepted and expected twist is that the real Lilith, Charlie's mom, is Rosie in disguise. While the Lilith we have seen thus far in heaven is actually Eve, who wants revenge against Lucifer and Charlie for being blamed for the original sin. Sin. She apparently also wants to destroy all of Heaven and Hell. Makes no sense but that's what people want.
>>154246823People are retarded.
>>154246863Oo, that could be neat>>154246854Yeah but he loves it and keeps coming back for more, the vox/val thing seems to be more of an occasional opportunistic hookup vs a primary relationship
>>154246863Honestly I think it was some early concept that got spitballed and that's it. It really doesn't work with current show so I assume they are not doing that.
>>154246863It would be a pretty late point in the story to suddenly reveal that the woman in Heaven has secretly been Eve plotting revenge this entire time. We're two seasons in, and the only things we've actually seen from her are receiving Charlie's and Lucifer's calls and avoiding them. Lute calls her Lilith. Sera calls her Lilith. Charlie calls her Lilith. Viv even confirmed the person who called Charlie was the real Lilith - narratively, that's the woman in heaven, Lilith.. Meanwhile, the traits people associate with Eve from the old leaks (anger, vengeance, instability) have not been demonstrated by the her at all. She's just been presented as Lilith.The one that has been going berserk is Lute.I also think people underestimate how much the fandom has internalized certain theories as fact. The obscured face and eyes only suggest "this isn't really Lilith" if you're already approaching the character from that perspective. Charlie's VA has said that all Charlie has ever wanted from Lilith was her love, affection, and attention. Everything we've learned about Lilith points toward a distant, absent mother. The obscured depictions are most likely Charlie's perception of her mother. As for the Eve silhouette, I'm not putting much stock in it. The storybook is Charlie's version of events, based on a story told by Lucifer and Lilith, and the designs already resemble older Lilith artwork enough that I don't think the visuals alone are reliable evidence of a separate character.
>>154246951That's exactly what I think too. The former employee also was not completely sure as to who Lilith was either. They were also not a writer, they were a concept artist and they left in 2021. We've gotten no lore updates since then.
Why the fuck doesnt vaggi have more songs? Unless it was all autotune, her voice in that song where shes climbing the pirate ship is fucking amazing
Rosie asks and looks wayyyyy too much like Lucifer, plus, the angelic looking powers, for me to comfortably say that she is his wife, former or not. It'd be weird if that was actually Lilith or Eve. Doesn't she also call herself Auntie Rosie? I mean yeah, it could be a term of endearment or whatever but still,,, the family statue she has could suggest that she's close with the morningstars. Family friend or something?
>>154247080I agree. I also would just fucking love is Lilith is just that bad. People are making heads and tails, bending themselves backwards to justify why she would be there, what possible Noble reason drove her to do what she did... And it could be just as simple as, she wanted Paradise again, and the sinners were a means to an end. We also know the exterminations were not a thing until she attacked first, meaning she wasn't defending herself, she just wanted to attack heaven for whatever reason. It could just be that she was just sick of Lucifer, his shit, hell, and that she just got this short end of the stick. It'd be crazy if like Lucifer, she also doesn't give a shit about sinners, and then having Charlie to deal with that, to realize that her mother isn't this grandiose figure she's made up in her head.
>>154247192Maybe Rosie is meant to be a OC fallen angel? I can't think of a named one that fits her bill.
>>154247294The closest we have to a a pre-character for Rosie, at least as far as I know, in zoophobia, is Hilda.
>>154247294I love all these conspiracy theories about Rosie, and I'm pretty sure she's just some guy. Girl. Woman. You guys know what I mean. The hair and the cheeks people swear by.... Do people not realize that Viv constantly reuses stylistic elements for her designs?
>>154247364Could be possible. That woman has a problem with samey designs.
>>154247364katie killjoy also has that singular blonde highlight streak but you don't see anyone claiming she's secretly eve/lilith, even though i think that'd be the superior option now that i think about it.
>>154247451Exactly. I do think Rosie is important and she has a revealing backstory. For sure. I just don't think she's Eve or Lilith in disguise. My guess is that she is a former Seraph, or maybe even one of the elders that cast Lucifer out: "It can be difficult to admit to things you're not proud of, especially if those things hurt the ones you love."
>>154247451Lol The way that Katie Kill Joy looks more like Charlie than Lilith does
>>154242080I’m so confused. You think I want this?I simply accepted it because the evidence is too much.What I would want is for Eve to actually be purposely changing her appearance to look like Lilith just so she can be mega creepy.
>>154247510>the evidence is too muchLol
>>154247509The Lilith we see on the beach for the first time looks more like Charlie because of her pitched black nose. Like maybe this is an element of her true form.
>>154247510Who was even talking to you? This was a general statement.
>>154247529No mat
>>154247521>>154247534It's probably MatPat. Don't bother with him he's severely retarded.
>>154247562Noted
>>154247560Yup. I'm seriously suspecting he has a fetish for the thing.
oh God it's the muh leak cuck guy again ,
>>154247521Again. People have shown no real evidence against it and can’t even say it’s flawed besides it being what they claim is bad writing, which I don’t necessarily disagree BTW, or lame, which I also don’t necessarily disagree either.My cope is that maybe the execution will be better than the sleeper agent angel dust twist.
>>154247574Shape-Shifting fetish.
>>154247582Did your reply get deleted?
Ignoring you know who. Anyway. I wonder how Charlie will come to terms with the fact that her mom is probably not for her plan. It'd be funny if Charlie completely misunderstood Lilith's dream.
>>154247594I think he just has a cuck fetish. He's more fixated on that compared to the shapeshifing.
>>154247598Yeah, I made a typo.
>>154247605Charlie is incredibly retarded. It's probably gonna be a big revelation for her while her whole gang of "friends" literally figured it out after a couple of hours.
>>154247605I think Erica said that she will regress and push people away? And I think even Vaggie was mentioned. The Charlie stabs are going to have the time of their lives. The Lilith fans too. Probably. I'd say Lucifer as well, but he's already been butchered in season 2, so I don't think people are expecting much
>>154247631It's apparently synonymously agreed upon that Lilith was trying to wage war. Nobody refutes that. Charlie's the only one that's saying she wanted peaceful protest. But then again! Nobody refutes her when she says that, so....??
>>154247650I'm retarded. I meant to say generally agreed upon
>People have shown no real evidence against itLMAOOOO
>>154247640I hope Vaggie fully drifts away from Charlie because that relationship is awful.
>>154247685Maybe she can actually grow as a character instead of being Charlie's literal pet she found near a dumpster.
>>154247685I hate their relationship. I know it's more so agreed on that. Charlie can do better, but I'm fully camp Vaggie. She gets treated like shit. Kind of creepy to think that before, she didn't have any bonds or connections, at least not as much as she could have given the girls were abused by Adam and Lute. Only to then fall, get to know Charlie for what... A year? I forget the timeline, but it wasn't much and then they get together. This girl has not gotten any time to get to know herself. Even her VA, Stephanie, said it was not the healthiest thing, and that she doesn't know who she is. I'm sure if they break up this season though, they're going to get back together. Positive. I wouldn't like it, but it'd be nice if they separated for a little while.
>>154247529>black noseSpeakin of which; whats the deal with that? At first i thought it was just a furry/dog nose thing, but then lucifer doesnt have furry features, and presumably eve or lilith or whoever her mom is supposed to be shouldnt either since they were human
>>154247650It's Charlie. They learned that telling her the ugly truth won't do much and that they have to wait until it punches her in the face.
What the fuck was Lilith even """resisting""" anyway? The Exterminations weren't a thing. And why did she start "resisting" only 7 years ago?
>>154247685Yeah charlie/emily and vaggie/lute would be so much better
>>154247608Now that I think about it, Helluva Boss is literally an entire show about Blitzo cucking Stella and Viv having to make her look awful to justify it.Hazbin Hotel literally starts with Lucifer cucking Adam. And has a season finale of Lucifer revealing he cucked Adam twice.And then in the following season, Val spends the entire time feeling like he’s being cucked by Vox’s obsession with Alastor. And does a musical break down on how cucked he feels.
>>154247754Idk. Feels like she was just warmongering.
Wow, people really saw a feature that was not drawn consistently for one frame, and they have a whole conspiracy about it. As if Viv's shows draws the characters on model each and every time. Also, it didn't even fucking look like a dog nose?? It's the way the nose is shaded. The ones who reach extensively say that, the one sitting down is Eve, and the figure in season two, drinking tea, is Lilith. It's fucking ridiculous. Holy shit.
>>154247758>vaggie/lute Ehh. I really don't see the vision chief.
>>154247758No offense but both of those are ass. I just said Charlie treated her like shit. You think I'm going to go for Lute/Vaggie? LolCharlie can fuck off for all I care. Vaggie/Emily Is cute. Velvette/Vaggie is cute in theory, but she'd probably treat her worse than Charlie does.
>>154247754That’s something that makes me think she’s Eve. Because those movements Lilith did didn’t seem to be a thing till recently. And only Eve in the leaks feels like she’s been completely cheated by Heaven over eating the apple.
>>154247793At least Velvette would be honest about it and understand she's being a bitch. Charlie is just fucking delusional and can't comprehend how bad of a partner she is.
>>154247795>Wants revenge,>Is angry>Is the embodiment of feminine rage >Viv They will explore the original Adam and Eve story a female critical lens ..... Yeah, that's just Lute. Literally. Skye and Viv called her anger feminine rage. Her song? Salute by Little Mix, a very feminist empowering song. Her VA spoiled the fucking theory and then deleted it. People still latching onto the Lilith in heaven being Eve are coping really hard.
>>154247821Fuck, now you have me wanting Vaggie to leave Charlie and work for the V's. That probably won't happen though because she writes Charlie's dick too hard.
>>154247825It's probably just MatPat. His dedication is impressive but also kinda psychotic.
>>154247772https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OpJnER2oxXU&ra=mActually the black nose Lilith has is significantly almost as round as Charlie’s and she lowers down her head to look at Lute.I don’t think this is a mistake.
>>154247851I have a feeling that even if it becomes Canon, he will say that Viv has a conspiracy against him specifically, and that they changed the entire storyline or some shit. He's demented as fuck.
>>154247868Lol
>>154247080>It would be a pretty late point in the story to suddenly reveal that the woman in Heaven has secretly been Eve plotting revenge this entire time.100% this.
>>154247777They both got that tomboy punk rock thing going>>154247793>v/eNah emily too 'fluffy' or whatever, she gotta go with a similar char ala charlie or st. Peter or someone else, doesn't make any sense for her and vaggie to be a thing>v/v Cute aesthetically speaking maybe but once again dont see the connect, velvet has that zoomer social media sthick, if anything id say shed be good with voxOnly other alternative to canon /charlie or my proposed /lute i could see for vaggie is maybe, and this is a big maybe; abel, since he's kinda that more light hearted heaven dude and there could be some theme of reconciliation with the whole falling to hell thing if the new head of the exorcists is less bloodthirstyThat said... abel/lute/vaggie would be pretty fuckin dope
>>154247080>>154247910You gotta remember this is a Viv show. At least there was about two different Lilith appearances that showed off she looked like Eve from the opening of the show. Angel had ZERO build up to being a sleeper agent.Vox had ZERO build up on wanting to conquer Heaven.
>>154247970Nope, Lilith is not Eve. Let It go.
>>154247970>Angel had ZERO build up to being a sleeper agent.>Vox had ZERO build up on wanting to conquer HeavenWow you really weren't watching the show huh?
>>154248011LMAO literally listing the things that we're not only foreshadowed but are the most obvious. Wow! Angel, a VOXTEK employee run by VOX, and Overlord with hypnosis, who had previously sent Sir Pentious' to the hotel specifically for espionage, turned out to be a sleeper agent?!? WooooooowwwwwThis fandom is so fucked.
>>154248011Watching the show actually makes those plots a lot more confusing.Vox in the first season was all about conquering hell and the finale song of season 1’s finale had him walked up to to his chessboard thing and it was all about hell and conquering Hell: https://youtube.com/shorts/RuzTe1rVZik?si=ZCEsOHlmACqFOhwNAngel had no scenes of him being a sleeper Vox agent or a single element that builds up to it in season 1 or season 2.
>>154248140Proving my point. Thanks for playing.
Should I make a new thread? Getting close to the bumb limit.
>>154248093I wouldn't bother. He's one of the more media illiterate individuals of the fandom. The guy honest to God thinks Zestial is Cain. That should tell you everything.
>>154247754One theory I heard was she was demanding better living conditions or improvements to hell from Heaven. Which makes no sense at all, Hell is shit because of the people there, Heaven has no obligation to help them, they’re down there as punishment so it makes Lilith out as some greedy bitch.
>>154248172That man looked at a edgy old timey speaking Spiderman and said " This is Cain". It could only be the work of generations of interbreeding.
>>154248202Zestial is a baby compared to Cain lmao
>>154248184Hell is mainly a shit hole because of it's rulers and population. They have no right asking anything of Heaven.
>>154248202LMAO Don't forget, he thinks Abel wants revenge and is really bloodthirsty! OooOooOoo!!!! Yeah no wonder this fandom is so fucked.
>>154248217Not even a baby he's a sperm cell by comparison.
>>154248227>>154248184In theory I've seen proposed recently is that Lilith had a taste of Eden before being cast out. She grew resentful of being sent down to Hell, grew tired of Lucifer's shit, wanted Paradise again. That sinners were a means to an end. She's just that bad. That makes a lot more sense than whatever the fuck conspiracy theory people are on about, that she's doing this for the greater good or something.
>>154248233Yeah MatPat is obviously delusional. Don't know where he gets these ideas from.
>>154248227If the exterminations are off now; is there even a point to the hotel? Hell should be fine now, its not lakes of fire and eternal suffering people have housing employment and amenities etc...
>>154248258Charlie, realizing her mom is not this wonderful, majestic figure she's made her out to be. She's just as flawed as the rest of the sinners down here. What's worse with Erica's interviews? Is that to me? It seems like this whole thing, the hotel, redemption, is mostly A cry for help/ a way to get her mom's attention. She does this because she thinks it'll get her approval. I would like for her to kind of realize that and then change direction, do this because she genuinely wants people to go to heaven.Charlie has been saying shit about how old this is her destiny, this is her fate, when nobody imposed that on her. It'd be nice if she would actually do this because she genuinely believes it versus elevating herself to get mommy's attention.
>>154248305I think maybe because, by default, hell is the bad place, and it'll never stop being the bad place. So of course the goal is to get them to the good place, where bad things never happen. Just because the exterminations aren't happening, doesn't mean the sinners aren't killing each other. She's trying to rehabilitate them, to have them be better people. She wants them to be so good that they're is deemed good enough for heaven, that's the ultimate telltale sign
>>154248258After years of dealing with Lucifer's depressive incompetence and duck obsession, Charlie being a gullible retard with no proper understanding of the world she lives in and having to watch over a shit hole kingdom populated by the worst scum of humanity who are not even related to her because she abandoned the mantle of mother of humanity I can't judge her if she reached the conclusion that dealing with Adam wasn't bad enough to be worth losing her right to heaven.
>>154248233Why wouldn’t I find the guy who replaced his father as the head executioner a month after he was killed to be incredibly suspicious?Abel doesn’t really care about sinners or looks at them positively at all. The only two things Abel has his attention for is watching Lute’s Gravity song expressing deep pain and vengeance over Adam’s death and Emily.His character design has a scar behind his robe referencing Adam’s death. And his trading card with him smiling with rainbows is a reference to the extermination papers forming the rainbows around Adam in season 1. And after the pride merch, it’s even clearer this is a reference to that scene.
>>154248307Could you imagine if Adam did the exterminations to get Lilith’s approval.
>>154248441Would be interesting.
Holy schizophrenic delusions ,,,, bring back the Lute Eve schizos. the fuck is this ..
MatPat has returned. Prepare for retardation.
>>154248453Lute would get so pissed. I'd love to see it. You know? In the playbill, there was something along the lines of, everyone wants him/ he fucks everyone except for what's her face... I wonder if this is Lilith?
>>154248468LUTE IS EVE THEORISTS. I SUMMON YOU.
>>154248473My brain cells are dying.
>>154248488i'm hereeeeeeeeeeeeeee ,,,,Listen, I don't know if it's just me but.... The way she treated Abel? Really reminded me of a disappointed mom. Just saying!!!!!! And the fact that Abel wants to be like her apparently?? If Jessica had not re-quoted that tweet, I would absolutely think Lute was Cain desuWe're definitely getting Lute Eve in season 3. Bet on it
Sir Pentious' and Baxter...... Viv has liked a couple of fanarts suggesting they were exes. What do you guys think? Did they smash?
You know what is made after the flood of divine wrath?A RAINBOW!!!!
>>154248488https://x.com/cyjammy/status/1751608597929234504You're welcome!
>>154248548Knowing that this is Jessica's first role in animation, a mistake like this is understandable.
>>154248518Under Lilith Eve… I would feel really bad for Abel. Because it means Eve hated him and Abel badly wanted a mommy that loved him. And Lute is the closest thing to fill in that void.
>>154248580Nope. Lilith isnt Eve.
>>154248596None of our theories are confirmed. We can explore any idea and flesh it out. It would at least make for good content. I don’t think you’re right but that doesn’t mean I don’t want a free story.
>>154248578Lol Angel's voice actor literally spoiled What would happen in the season 2 finale an interview that spread around Twitter. But Jessica all but confirming is negligible, apparently LMAOPeople are going to be so livid. It's going to be great.
>>154248615That's awesome. You keep doing that. Make your own posts about it.
>>154248580>Replies Lilith Eve on a Lute Eve comment
>>154248620I wouldn't mind if Lute is Eve. It would probably be the most interesting portrayal of Eve yet. I also dislike people wanting her to be just some soft lady who was perfectly nice and Adam was the weird one out. Eve/Lute being the embodiment of a human honey badger is much more interesting.
>>154248615 Lilith isn't Eve. Rosie is not Lilith Abel is not Cain
>>154248643Classic MatPat
>>154248659>some soft lady who was perfectly nice and Adam was the weird one out.Fucking fell me about it.
>>154248671He does it because he knows if he makes a stand-alone post/comment, nobody's going to respond. He needs the engagement.
>>154248620For me, I already see Eve and sinner parallels with Lute and the Exorcists.The trouble of the whole Lute is Eve thing is that it does heavily overlook the exorcists as a whole when Adam is basically their dad without realizing it.
>>154248686Yeah, I won't bother.
>>154248693New thread. Migrate when this one gets filled up.
