Is Genndy right?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IjRkcoao0IU&pp=ygUTR2VubmR5IDgwcyBkYXJrIGFnZQ%3D%3D
>>154236628Buy an ad, you faggot.
>>154236628>Cartoon AestheticsReminder this guy is Spumdonor on twitter and he constantly sucks off to John K. until he's fully empty of sperm. He makes half-assed philosophy posts that makes it sound like he's some psuedo intellectual YouTube essayist which fails to provide a thesis or even source his claims.But yes Genddy is right.
>>154236628It kept the light alive, no matter how much it flickered in the dark.
The real dark age was the 50's and 60's. The 70's and 80's is when things got back on track.
At least there weren't cartoons about brown lesbians
>>154236801So?
In the west maybe.
>>154236628>Is Genndy right?no, imagine caring about the opinion of the dude who made a whole movie about dog balls
>>154236628That’s the 20s
>>154236931gay damn sucks
>>154237571Filtered >>154237624You do
>>154237610"the 20s" will always refer to the 1920s. Please say 2020s instead. Thank you.
I feel like the 80’s was the time where the government and parent groups really started to clamp down on animation, so I can understand why he would say that.
>>154237763The 80s were actually when animation was clamped down on LESS compared to the 70s
>>154237763Wasn't the 80s when restrictions were starting to loosen though? Prior to the 80s there were heavier regulations on using tv animation for advertising. Parent groups were a thing in the 890s but they were weakening to 80s commercialism and 80s producers made PSA on their own accord to get around them. (Sorta like the Comics Code)
Oddly enough Genndy himself didn't work on any 80s cartoon yet plenty of his contemporaries did. Is he really the right guy to make such statement?
It must suck to be fart sniffing artiste and knowing your passion project will never be more culturally significant than a toy commercial.
>>154238341Yes>>154238363Wrong in Genndy’s case
>>154236628Genndy's kinda right in that US TV animation from the late 70s and early-mid 80s had become super commodified and the artistry was lost. A lot of shows from then didn't really allow for the nuance or flexibility of directorial intent, all for the sake of cost effectiveness. These problems still plague the industry today.
>>154236801This
>>154236628Look at the oscar shorts from the 70s
>>154236931That's not fair, Japan was the richest country on earth in the 80s
>>154238341He knows a lot about timing
The 60s and 70s were worse for animation, but boomers like John K are nostalgic for them so they get a pass. The 80s is when things started to improve, in the later half at least
>>154237664sebby shitskin
>>154236931Well you're not wrong there. Not that I'd personally use classic Gundam as an example, coinciding how jank that serise was (also it was technically from the late 70's, not the 80's). But you are right that Japan was in a unique position to produce some of the most technically proficient and artistically uninhibited animations in history.
>>154236628>guy that made movie about dog orgy thinks he has morals to judge>made his career under William Hanna and Joseph Barbera legacy
>>154236628Gen X-ers were forced to watch couple of episodes of The 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo when it was raining outside and were traumatised ever since.
>>154241690Funny thing is it was made by the same guy that made animaniacs and tiny toons and people cant stop dicksucking those shows
>>154236628Every damn artist still working or not hated ’80s cartoons. There’s nothing positive to say about the awful working environment, awful pay, or stifling creative ideas. Even though they were later screwed over by bigger corporations, they don’t complain as much because they had better working conditions, better pay, and a lot of creative freedom. It’s just another environment that’s much less toxic and livable. Anyone who defends 1980s cartoons is either being disingenuous or is just being autistic.
>>154241730>Anyone who defends 1980s cartoons is either being disingenuous or is just being autistic.Counterpoint: Heathcliff and the Catillac Cats was made in the 80s
>>154241752>furryshit was created in the '80sI love the tism of the furry community. But it won't make '80s cartoons any better
>>154241761>I love the tism of the furry community. But it won't make '80s cartoons any betterWhatever. Enjoy your Mating Season, I guess
>>154241823Furries are one of the most dedicated communities.
>>154237664>no unot an argument
>>154236790>The 70's and 80's is when things got back on track.No I didn't bro that's definitely when the dark ages started most of animation was relegated to Saturday mornings which were mostly cheap garbage that was sanitized to appeals to parent groups/angry mothers, IP driven was also on rise and definitely ruin some characters like Popeye and Casper when it came to the '80s it was mostly toy slop.
>>154242139>when it came to the '80s it was mostly toy slop.maybe kids just like cartoons based on toys. even in the 80s they could switch the channel to Murder, She Wrote, but they didn't
>>154242163>Murder, She WroteWe're talking about cartoons bro, and of course kids would want something to base up her toys because it's toys but that doesn't mean kids wouldn't also enjoy something that was creator driven like the Nicktoons which is why those blew up.
>>154242201>that doesn't mean kids wouldn't also enjoy something that was creator driven like the Nicktoons which is why those blew up.OK, you like Nicktoons. Just say that. Why trash what came before?
80s were a dark age in the sense cartoons were only made to sell products, it wasnt till the 90s and 2000s you see shit like the simpsons, ren and stimpy kick off creator driven and weird and strange type of cartoons
>>154240201Fag
Even Filmation said the 70s was the era of Scooby and almost nothing else.
>>154236628The smurf stock footage in the pictured has thick line animation
>>154236730I forget Spumdonor is middle aged and not some pompous zoomer who half-skimmed The Camp of the Saints
I actually think the 2010's are on par with the 60s and 80s, at least in terms of output. I'm sure the working conditions where better but the vast majority of what we got was either Adventure Time adjacent or Rick & Morty adjacent. There are like, 6 good western cartoons from the entire decade and most of them are adult swim series.
>>154241730I don't give a shit if the animators were enjoying their job or not the fact is 80s cartoons are way better than the troon shit we get today
>>154241730>every damn artistmost of the people defending 80s cartoons aren't artists. they're the audience and most audience members don't care about working conditions, they care about the end result they saw on screen. if they like this result that's all that matters to them.
>>154241705Those shows had an actual budget behind them and the writers were allowed to be edgier since the ancient pearl-clutching executives had aged out and were replaced by a slightly younger crowd.
>>154241690Flim Flam was a mistake
>>154236628I thought the dark age of animation was when he made Unicorn Warriors Eternal BAZINGA
>>154245539>I thought the dark age of animation was when he made Unicorn Warriors Eternal BAZINGAI think The Dark Age of Animation is anything made between The Ruff and Reddy Show and Pandamonium. Unicorn Warriors Eternal could be place in the 2nd Dark Age of Animation, I guess.
I find Spumdonor interesting as he does get interviews with artist, but I find his video essays off especially him using his life to represent John K, like a how a disney fan would do. Also I find it interesting that its how Disney stole your childhood even though they were one of the few who capitalize on movies based on public domain works in the first place compared to Fleischer, MGM, or even Paramount who were still making shorts at the time. If anyone else came first then it would be just someone else stealing their childhood. And most childhoods are varying, I mean their are alot of people are not even raise on the Disney Bubble, heck most of the movies I watched that were disney were the renaissance and I still went out and looked for the original stories. Everything derivative because its hard to make a toy story, or encanto.Also this youtuber would be the best avenue if he were to make videos as they deconstruct shorts, and are interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCUipYpFpZQ
>>154238601>had become super commodifiedCommodity is why it was made in the first place. Even when cartoons weren't made specifically to sell action figures they were made to sell ad space. The Flintsones used to plug cigarettes. TV exists solely to sell space to sponsors. This is retarded. It sounds good to say WE NEED TO BE CREATIVE, WE NEED TO CELEBRATE ART but that's not what pays your salary Gendy.
>>154246086Apparently, creative driven work worked in the 90s. Just have ad breaks, no need to make the shows ads.
>>154240232But...but Genndy made one of my favorite cartoons! He's right and (You) are wrong
>>154242345>>154246406The creator-driven shows of the 90s were just as much of a merchandise monster as the ones from the previous decade. The difference between the two is that in the 90s+, it was the creators calling the shots for the most part. In the 80s, the toy companies would come up with the concepts and the character designs and tell the cartoonists to make the show to their specifications. Obviously the cartoonists didn't like these restrictions.
>>15423662870's was the dark era...for the viewers. Hanna Barbera and Fleischman garbage was everywhere. Things didn't get DECENT until Ruby Spears and a few other studios showed up, and had a better model than recycling the shit out of everything. Notable exception was Filmation.
>>154246502The Dark Age of Animation ended with Inspector Gadget and Dungeons and Dragons cartoon imo
>>154242345But even those shows had merch and tie-ins, and once that happened, they hit that ground hard. Simpsons especially. The only difference between them and the 80s cartoons precedingthem was that they weren't promoting action figures in the show.>>154244291These are people either blinded by nostalgia, or haven't actually watched an episode of the Smurfs, Fat Albert or GI Joe in years. Not saying shows in the 2020s are better, but they do realize that a lot of 80s cartoons are ass.
>>154246585From what I watched the G.I. Joe cartoon was pretty neat
>>154246585>or haven't actually watched an episode of the Smurfs, Fat Albert or GI Joe in yearsevery era has some bad cartoons this isn't an argument at all, and GI Joe is fine
>>154246480I'll be honest, I genuinely don't remember much Dexter merch, but yeah. I still think having restrictions on the cartoonists is more commodified than just selling a bunch of shit.
>>154246810Keychain https://www.ebay.com/itm/266204122559Robot toy https://www.ebay.com/itm/365286110994Sandwich cookies https://www.ebay.com/itm/267011472392Ice cream, coloring books, clothing, stickers, and so on. If there's any object you can stick a cartoon character on, they'll do it.
>>154246933I mean, yeah. They also had a cereal contest. Still, it wasn't nearly as merchandise oriented as other shows. After all, it wasn't like there weren't tie-ins and non-toy merch for 80s shows. Like yeah, Dexter's Lab wasn't Calvin & Hobbes but I don't think it is fair to say the creatives were being driven primarily by revenue.
>>154246406>Apparently, creative driven work worked in the 90sOh fuck off. It was just as bad as the 80s
>>154247112So, he's just lying this whole time? Was Fred Seibert lying? We have interviews where they say they were trying a new initiative that was less about market trends. Am I saying that the cartoons were inherently better? No. I'm not some moron spouting about soul. There are plenty of great works from the 80s, but they clearly had more committee driven workflows. Like if you read about the What a Cartoon history, you will see just how much freedom creators were afforded.
>>154247076The point of a cartoon is to make money. The recent contraction happened because the people making them lost sight of the fact that you need to make characters people will want to have plastered all over their stuff.
>>154236628Eh, I liked 80s stuff way better than any of his cartoons, so...The first Hotel Transylvania was cool enough, though.
>>154246673No, the problem is how nostalgiatards like to think everything was better when it really wasn't.
>>154248035No, retard
>>154248604no the problem is cartoons today are just self indulgent faggot shit that nobody wants to watch, that's why all the kids today just use youtube instead
>>154248854And look where that's going to lead us to. Between the slop on the internet and the slop on TV, it's going to end up with kids wanting to make even less offspring than the avarage 4chin/Kiwi chud.
