What does the mutant metaphor work best as an allegory for, if it has to be one thing specifically?>Race>Homosexuality>Being disabled/neurodivergent
Charles represents the White Man's Burden vs Magneto representing Whites standing up to jewish power.
>>154240634I guess race.So often especially in newer stuff mutants act like they're a different species altogether, like two mutants from completely divergent cultures have more in common with each other than any human.I find it weird.
Gamers
>>154240634HomosIt's not that deep
>>154240634Puberty.
allegories are shit
>>154240634It tends to depend. >have you tried not being a mutantWas very on the nose
>>154240634It's just basic discrimination. People hate other people for being different and what they think everyone of that group would do if given the chance. Also with religious conviction.
>>154240634The jewish need to shapeshift, be eternally victimized yet also super special.
>>154240634>RaceRace only confers a small inclination towards certain physical abilities or behaviors. There's also no chance that two people of one race would produce off-spring of a new race, which is also identical to other people who also created offspring of this same new race which is not human anymore.>SexualitySomeone realizing or accepting that they are gay does not imbue them with special powers. Whole point of the gay rights movement was initially to push the idea that gays are no different than straights. Mutants do no believe that.>PubertyThis only just barely works. Powers arriving at puberty, confused teens not knowing if they're normal or not. Needing to grow up, go to school, hone your body and mind, and apply your budding abilities to the good of society, etc. You can even squeak the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants in there. Some youths squander their gifts and terrorize society, causing other teens to be punished unfairly. The problem with this allegory is that teens eventually grow into adults, so the allegory falls apart.
>>154240634Zionism.
>>154240634It's supposed to be about any disenfranchised or marginalized people but specific disenfranchised or marginalized people insist it's only about them and no other group.
>>154240708>Magneto representing Whites standing up to jewish power
>>154240715X-Men's core positioning shifted from "lets all learn get along" to Harry Potter's "We don't know what the fuck muggles do but whatever it is I'm sure it's stupid." elitism.
>>154240834>Anon learns that metaphors are not always 1 to 1 reflections of reality.
>>154241125The parts that don't mesh up completely break the parts that do. X-Men without powers and crimefighting is nothing.
>>154240634It works for any minority due to the way bigots always scapegoat and demonise any group of people. Immigrants, gays, Muslims, Jews, etc.
>>154241114You heard me.
>>154240634Gun rights.Because it's about the personal power you were born with, and people's fear of it trying to take it away, and their hatred of those who misuse that power being applied to the whole thing.>We need common sense mutant control in this country, Mutant powers should be regulated and registered. >Private militias that train to oppose the government in case the government comes for their powers are crazy and dangerous.>No one needs military level firepower coming out of their eyes. The only ones who oppose inhibitor fields are insecure losers and violent weirdos.>Every school needs sentinel mutant detectors to prevent school mutant power attacks.
Jews
>>154240634It shouldn't be a metaphor for anything
>>154240634It's ideally meant to be about disability/neurodivergency and eugenics considering that X-Men pulls from a shit ton of psychic sci-fi pulp fiction. It has more in common with Akira or Slan or The Time Wanderers than you'd realize.The parallels aren't 1:1, though. Quite frankly, a lot of people are completely unaware of how X-Men is psychic pulp fiction and not really superhero fiction, similar to how Fantastic Four comics are tales of science adventure heroism like Star Trek.For crying out loud, mutants are the result of genetic engineering/atomic warfare. That's a classic staple of the genre, along with "wars between psychics and humans" and "humans and psychics try to enslave/genocide each other".
It doesn't work at all for any identitarian group because the prejudice against muties is justified for reasons that simply do not reflect how the real world works. There really isn't much nuance to it, people just don't want to have to live near a walking WMD.
>>154241205I agree with this angle mainly because "mutants as marginalized demographics" doesn't work because mutants actually ARE capable of serious damage, especially when a point of contention is how mutant powers kick in during puberty.>>154241268See, this is why the psychic stuff needs to be brought up when it comes to X-Men discourse. Psychic sci-fi manifested in response to the eugenics movement, immigration, and rapid industrialization following WW2 escalating to the point people thought science could do anything. It was a real fear: if man could make the atom bomb...could he not create Homo Superior? Would this "master race" be benevolent or tyrnanical?
>>154240634Probably ETs
>>154241268>people just don't want to have to live near a walking WMD.And that really explains humans lynching a child whose entire mutation is that they look like a fish. Or they have three faces. Or they can understand any language. Gotta kill those Walking Mutant Dictionaries!!!
>>154241335With power creep there is a legit possibility that fish face suddenly gains pistol shrimp punches and can suddenly kill anyone with a single strike, or three face suddenly sees the past and future and can see the exact timeline needed to get away with murder, or any language kid learning a secret God language that kills anyone that hears it.
>>154240634None or atleast >>154241205 comes the closet Problem with mutants is they genuinely are dangerous. The reason racism, hating gays and hating people with mental conditions is wrong is because you are treating people who aren't dangerous as if they are (this is the ethics claim). Mutants have been shown multiple times to be an immense threat to humans through collateral damage alone, let alone the ones who go insane or genuinely want to wipe out humans and have the ability to and the only reason they have failed is the plot. At most it's unfair a guy who's mutant power is to see 10 seconds into the future is treated on the same level as dangerous as the girl who can level cities by coughing even accidentally but my point still stands.
>>154240634Literally none of them. Being discriminate against mutants does not equal to being discriminated against race or sex. You just have to sit down for 2 minutes and think about to realize why it doesn't. Mutants are dangers, not inherently obviously, and it doesn't apply to all of them, but they're dangerous nonetheless. To give you an example, it's the equivalent of someone being born with a permanent Deagle for a hand, and the only safety is the person's mood. You'll obviously be very fucking careful around regardless on whether they're a good person at heart or not, because they have a fucking gun attached to their hand and could kill you at any second. Now replace that gun with plastic explosions, and times it by 20, that's your average mutant
>>154241383>>154241371Yeah, there's a reason why "fuck telepaths" is a common sentiment in X-Men comics. Being telepathic is part of the typical powerset for psychics in fiction.
>>154241205Honestly, probably the most unique take I've seen and has the least amount of holes you can poke into it compared to race or homosexuality>People trust Cap, Spider-man, and Iron Man cause they've proved they're responsible with their powers and abilities>Mutants can't be trusted because at any moment a teenager with a power (or one that recently obtained the power) can have a bad day and just kill tons of people without anyone being able to stop them
>>154240634Now all that's bullshit, Striker was right, they are literally children of the devil, even more so than Hellstrom, Satana, or Hela.>The Muties are something outside of TOAA's plan.>The Muties are a plague completely linked to the Deviants, and their extermination by Uranus was the right thing to do>Druig was right.>The Phoenix and Eternity worked with plagues against their own father's plan
>>154241368And clearly we are all so meta that we have to murder everyone on the off chance they could be dangerous. That’s why you also have to kill your human neighbours because who knows, maybe tomorrow a radioactive spider bites them and gives then superpowers. Or they pick up a mystic item and become an avatar of a magical deity. We cannot be safe unless we destroy the entire world and kill everyone else except myself
>>154241414So civilians shouldn’t have guns because we can never know when a gun owner might have a bad day and start killing people?
>>154240634Despite...
>>154240634I want to see how the Earth humans deal with Deviants, but from what I understand, Deviants are lazily written and not really integrated well with the marvel world.Maybe an arc where a mutant suffers from Deviant Syndrome and has to be put down would be a good plot.I'd want to see how Magneto deals with Deviants.
>>154241371>>154241400See>>154241536>>154241539People who hate mutants are retarded. There is no reason to want to murder them.
>>154241188>The Jew stands up to Jewish power
>>154240834>Race only confers a small inclination towards certain physical abilities or behaviors.
>>154240634guns
>>154241371>Mutants have been shown multiple times to be an immense threat to humans through collateral damage alone, let alone the ones who go insane or genuinely want to wipe out humans and have the ability to and the only reason they have failed is the plot.You can apply that same argument to countless humans. Humanity literally builds Sentinels that then end up trying to eradicate all life on Earth. They enslave humanity in another timeline. How many people has Kletus Cassidy killed as Carnage? The symbiote didn’t become a serial killer on its own, it was Cassidy’s influence that did it.
In fiction leftists will still defend dangerous minorities
>>15424182190% of the human race doesn't have the potential to this much damage or as much as a regular mutant.
>>154241974Your average human is constantly getting exposed to something that gives them superpowers or has access to technology that they then start to abuse for their personal benefit and agenda.
>>154241899malformed life survival strategy
>>154241989Mutates and people with tech are a small part of humanity compared to mutants who can populate planets at times.
>>154242051No they’re not.
>>154241735No, marvel just has (purposely) bad world building so they can't really grapple with the mutant analogy properly. Remember this is the same universe where people will causally invent things that could make humans live far better lives and just not hand it out because plot, if Marvel's stories were set in the 1800s the industrial revolution would have never happened. If it had good world building marvel's world would look nothing like ours, which includes how mutants are treated. Marvel's rigid adherence to the status quo kind of undermines the opressed minority analogy because treatment of race, mental issue and homosexuality did evolve and change but mutant issues are never allowed to get better because then it would get rid of the main conflict of the X-Men stories. Mutants are always at risk of being hunted down and killed at the drop of a hat.mean while people have to be anonymous to even say something negative about classically opressed minorities. Also >>154241539 is a bad argument because most governments do ban people owning guns using this analogy and most people in those countries are okay with it despite what most gun owning Americans say otherwise. The right to bear arms is the exception, not the rule.
>>154242071>me when I lie
>>154241993>>154242077It’s called having empathy. There is no rational reason to hate mutants outside bigotry. Plain and simple.
>>154242077I mean, they did try to do something different from the usual fear and hated set up but that literally went up in ashes.
>>154240634How could Leslie Nielsen say such a thing?!
>>154242098That's not the point I am arguing, heck let's say I agree no mutant should have so much as a single hair harmed on them for being mutants, that changes nothing. Infact your argument just shows how bad of an analogy mutants are for minorities because the empathy argument actually worked in our world but had zero impact Marvel's. Marvel citizens on average still violently hate Mutants, largely because marvel citizens are assholes to even their normal mutate heroes. Look at how they treat Spider-Man.
>>154240737Stick to watching turds plop into the toilet. Everything else is allegory.
>>154240737Enjoy your weebslop
>>154242460>>154242662Ok, fags
>>154241183Sorry you are afraid of the truth
>>154241183>Immigrants, gays, Muslims, Jews, etcAll of those subhuman groups are harmful and were better off without.Your point is shit
>>154240634Freaks in spandex save the world from monsters and aliens.Youre overcomplicating it.
>>154241335You dont take any chances. Better kill them than be sorry later. Like with immigrants, least you want to end like France, Germany, UK or Ireland...
>>154241536Youre dramatism doesnt help your cause.Not everyone, but kill all mutants. Its simple really
>>154240634anyone that feels othered, you dumb fucking zoomer ni
>>154242098Empathy is for suicidal faggots
>>154240708>jewish holocaust victim representing Whites standing up to jewish power
>>154242402This is a point most people don't pay more attention to, that marvel citizens are assholes to EVERYONE, not just mutants. The Fantastic Four started with Ben being shot at for being big and ugly looking, and with Johnny getting cruise missiles sent at him for being a flying burning man on fire. And even after they became NYC's darlings, they still get shit on the exact moment that something goes wrong, with some dipshits still claiming to this day Galactus was a hoax. The world literally doesn't listen to the Hulk as he screams that he just wants to be left alone. They regularly hate on robot heroes like the Vision and Machine Man, to the point that both of them eventually gave up on ever living normal lives and just cynically stuck to their own circles. Hell, the Friends of Humanity outright pivoted from openly hating on mutants to openly hating on the symbiotes, even the ones that literally just wanted to hide from the world, out of political convenience.Like seriously, when you live in a world where people regularly turn on Captain America whenever he so much as hints that [insert administration of your choice] is abusing its power, that's not a world that hates on minorities. That's a world of lemmings that basically exist to try and kill the people that regularly save them from far worse monstrosities on a daily basis.
>>154243637But despite that it’s largely anti-mutant extermination robots that humanity keeps building consistently
>>154243790Actually, not really. For the most part, humanity actually stopped doing that after the 90s, after the Hellfire Club stopped funding those programs. The anti-mutant robots kept building themselves up and making themselves everyone's problem. Half the reason Orchis stood out was because they'd went back to using Sentinel bots after everyone had already been long fed up with them.
>>154243065No, retard
Mutant racism is irrational, retarded and makes no sense at all except for brainlet chuds. 99% of mutant powers are pretty worthless and definitely not a threat compared to humans, who when they get powers are rarely ever as random or inefficient.>If there's even a 0.001% chance of an Omega-level mutant that could kill everyone, it justifies hunting this random powerless fishface child and dildos-for-hands power guy>What about inhumans and kree and random humans who manifest superpowers?>REEEEE SHUTUP RACEWAR NOW
>>154243637>where people regularly turn on Captain AmericaHas this ever actually happened?Even during Dark Reign when the avengers were run by literal psychos and supervillains its not like the public turned on them or anyone decided 'Supies need to go' the way they do against Mutants on an average day.
>>154243910>Not really. They stopped briefly.>And then humans started building them again, so uhhhh… what was my point again?
>>154240834>The problem with this allegory is that teens eventually grow into adultsnot always, why do you think Wolverine is small?
>>154244030There was that time the government decided to tell Steve Rogers that they own everything regarding Captain America, he turned over the shield and mask, and they filled in a replacement while still looking to force Steve to work for them.And then there was Civil War.>>154244045That Krakoa was retarded as shit because not a single person in their right mind would have ever recommissioned the Sentinels given how they're worse than useless, except for the fact Hickman needed to lower everyone's IQ by about 100 to get it to work.
>>154243637Thats why Marvel universe civilians are based. And we should be more like them
>>154243995Ok, predditor
>>154243995Youre black or trans and are afraid we gonna rightfully kill you, just admit
>>154244157No, you cuck
>>154244171You want your pacifier, edgetard?
>>154244177Marvel civilians wouldnt have a problem with immigrants, cause they would holocaust all your subhuman assess.first time a monkey chimps out trying to behead someone or steal from a shop.Metahumans need to be invigilated 24/7 for even minor slip ups.
>>154244187So your color is shit brown or nigger brown?
>>154244195Ok, Javier
>>154244209You have a problem, fag?
>>154244206You should ask yourself that.
>>154244206hate won't improve your birth rates sucker.
>>154244215Concession accepted
>>154244222Of course it will
>>154242098>There is no rational reason to hate mutantsThere's infinite rational reasons to hate mutants, starting with how mutant telepaths are casually rewriting memories and causing ego death as if that's their right somehow.
>>154244292No
>>154243637And that is rational behavior.True rational behavior is killiong absolutely everyone, on sight, who many EVER be any threat to you or yours. Superheroes SHOULD be killed if they exist, purely for being better. Man must not allow anything greater than himself to exist in the universe.
>>154244295That’s a good thing
>>154241168>X-Men without powers and crimefighting is nothing.It would be a soap opera dramaIte barely even almost not that
>>154244316You don't have to larp as a Marvel citizen to prove you're stupid, anon, I already believed you
>>154244317>it didn't happen>and if did happen it wasn't a big deal>and if was, then you deserved it
>>154244321You don't have actual thoughts, you just repeat what your programmers told you.The oldest and most powerful instinct of the human species is "it is different so I must kill it", and instincts all evolved because they are beneficial to us.
I never saw it as an analogy its more of a 'what if superheros were real and discriminated against like other marginalized groups like the irish' Its a spin on superheroes? Real take? Idk but its not anal
>>154244322For you, yes.
>>154244334Okay, edgebaby
>>154244334Now you're just overdoing it.>>154244337No, you're about right. It's just speculative fiction, it wasn't meant to be scrutinized so hard that they're analyzing the maggots of the dead horse they're kicking.
>>154240634It's an allegory for pattern recognition becoming socially uncomfortable. Or would you knowingly be a a neighbor to the Xavier School for gifted youngsters?
>>154244322Feeling sorry for jews is pathetic
>>154244206>I am very QUIRKY and edgy XD!!>PAY ATTENTION TO ME PAY ATTENTION TO ME PAY ATTENTION TO ME You have to be over 18 to post on 4chan.
>>154244363Im of two minds...One...i would definitely want the Sentinels on premises 24/7 and vote for power inhibitor collars on everyine in the Institute.On the other hand...juvenile mutant pussy, and as we all kniw bing hot is basically a secondary mutation to them
>>154244139That's alot different than the public or marvel civvies turning on Captain America or the Avengers.
>>154244537What you describe is a libtard
>>154244334>look how WACKY I am guys XD
>>154244567>The oldest and most powerful instinct of the human species is "it is different so I must kill it", and instincts all evolved because they are beneficial to us.Sure Chudchugusyou're very special, we'll all pay attention you screaming nigger and darwin in fortnite.
>>154244591Not the same anon, buckoYet he aint wrong.
>>154244643Wrong, you homo
>>154244695Dont be gay, anon.Non heterosexuality is hideous
>>154244808No
>>154245296Post STD statistics.
>>154244195>MetahumansThose are the other guys across the street.
>>154240634Youth. Puberty. It was a generation thing. They were the children of the atom. of the atomic age. of the a new era. race doesn't work because that's asinine when they have super powers.
>>154240634being a jew, cause that's what these comics were created for, to further the acceptance of judaism in the west
>>154240634It doesn’t have to be one thing specifically.
Reminder that even Peter Parker AKA Spider-Man, one of THE most selfless and benevolent heroes in all of Marvel, lost his fucking patience with mutiniggers after Jean Grey dragged him into her retarded relationship drama by bodyswapping him and Wolverine because she was angry at the latter. I wish I was making that up.
>>154243995>Literally non-omega mutants like the fucking Apocalypse have threatened Earth more than once.>Psychopathic killers like the fucking Sabretooth exist.>4 OF THE FUCKING MUTANTS FROM THE FIRST GENERATION OF X-MEN ARE GENOCIDAL MANIACS, WAR CRIMINALS, MAD GENETISTS, OR GAYS, OR ALL OF THE ABOVE.>Their fucking new generations use slogans like "Magneto was right," a fucking tyrant who murdered his own people and held racial supremacist ideas is right...Descendants of their leaders, like that damned Legion or Wanda Maximoff, have the power to destroy reality AND THEY HAVE SERIOUS MENTAL PROBLEMS THAT COULD CAUSE THEM TO DESTROY REALITY ITSELF>Mutant racism is irrational, retarded and makes no sense Eat a bag of dicks instead
>>154246191Now cry about the same way about Korvac, Kang, Dr.Doom, Molecule Man, etc. humans who gain powers or use other methods to he powerful and kill bunch of people or threaten the very existence of the planet
>>154246283Yes, that's literally what they do; they hate those superpowered beings.The difference is, guess what, imbecile, THEY DON'T LIVE TOGETHER IN AN ETHNOSTATE WITH THE HEROES JUSTIFYING THEIR SHIT.If the Fantastic Four show up to kick Doom's ass, people celebrate. If Thor decapitates Kang with one blow of Mjolnir, people celebrate. If Iron Man couldn't fry Molecule Man's face in front of everyone, everyone would celebrate.What did the mutants do when they had five minutes of power? They forgave ALL the crimes of Sabretooth, Apocalypse, Juggernaut, Mr. Sinister, and Mystique and made them untouchable to the rest of the world, all while they violated the sovereignty of other nations, or in the case of the Fantastic Four, INVADED THEIR HOUSE TO KIDNAP THEIR SON.
People say "What's the difference between a superhuman and a mutant? Why is one okay and not the other?" as though the retardation of that double-standard isn't the entire fucking point.
>>154246381Meant to quote >>154241414
I think the disability thing works best in hindsight. Sometimes you get the good autism that makes you good at math, and sometimes you get the bad autism that makes you focus on Thomas the Tank Engine. Same for mutants, but more extreme. Either you get cool powers or you're the one that turns into a gelatinous blob that's constantly in pain.
>>154240634It doesn't work as an allegory for anything. They should treat it as a unique speculative concept instead.
>>154241205He's right
>>154243085Yes.
>>154246087Stfu
>>154240634It doesn't work well for any of those things and never has. The entire thing is the product of low IQ people who think talking about these tired and played out 'real world issues' will lend some status and credibility to their work on comic books which they otherwise look down upon and feel resentful of. Fictional discrimination against a fictional sci-fi race of mutants in a fictional sci-fi story does not need to align with the real world, and it isn't a license to talk about the real world. It's the same breed of retard who will insist that Star Wars is about politics because one of the characters is a senator, people who can't separate in-universe themes from real life.Being terrified of mutants is perfectly reasonable by the way. The very existence of someone like Charles Xavier would destroy any sort of justice system at a minimum. Even someone like Cyclops could sneeze extra hard and accidentally kill a million people if he happened to by looking at a major city. Trying to get rid of them before it's too late is the correct position.
>>154240634>What does the mutant metaphor work best as an allegory forIt doesn't, just stop it.
>>154240634Stan Lee said it was a story to humanize Jews and Blacks without being too obvious. But he didn't make many characters Jewish or Black so X Men missed its mark too often. Most of the star mutants look like model quality humans and their powers are highly useful and highly potent. Unless such people were directly attacking humans on a regular basis, there is no way they would be persecuted. The good looking ones would be worshipped.
>>154248210Wrong, retard
It just means discrimination of people who are different. People can be quite hateful of those who are above as well as those below.
>>154248246Quiet, Jeffrey.
>>154249928Who the fuck are you talking about?
>>154240727the real answer is racial minorities(it's what they were designed for as stated by the creators) but white fags like attention and ever significant semi-progressive work has to do around them
>>154241539Im not advocating for mutant fear in any capacity But would you give a loaded AK to an angsty teen?To be fair its not like destructive mutant powers are really that often, a bunch have minor abilities or physical changes yet still get treated like a threat
>>154250325Stan and Jack didn't say that.
