I thought real life personal experiences make art, so what's the problem here, isn't the purpose of art is supposed to resonate people even though it's the same experiences.
movies feel like they're all from the bakery which makes stuff stand out less and makes people less inclined to check out new shit. if it's made by the same bakers who all have similar experience, why check it out
Modern poor people's lives aren't that interesting either.
>>154241041Then you should make that's totally fiction by using your creativity and your imagination
>>154241031>twitter screencap of a blue check account rehashing some old engagement bait topicSlow news day? Nothing exciting recently for the blue check content farmers to monetize?
>>154241031>Pixar's Elemental screenplay by John Hoberg and Kat Likkel, creative duo behind My Name is Earl and Brenda Hsueh co-producer of seasons 2 & 3 of How I Met Your Mother
>>154241031People should try doing some stuff that's just pure imagination and not autobiographical. You can take some inspiration from your life but you don't need to tell us about your cultural backstory.
>>154241253>You can take some inspiration from your life but you don't need to tell us about your cultural backstory.People are trying but that’s what they ask for to sell the pitch
>>154241031California? Psssh, thank god I live in the Midwest so I can be a tax credit animator in Canada instead.
>>154241031> art is supposed to resonate people even though it's the same experienceBut it isn't resonates with those trust fund kids who went to Cal ArtsYou're supposed to use something from your life but then rework it so it's a universal experience.
>>154241031To give a genuine response I think despite whatever experiences the original artist has experienced(Californian or elsewhere) I think the best art is usually made with someone else in mind, cause after all art is made to communicate an idea to SOMEONE ELSE so film makers should carry that same approach. In corporate speak thats what your "audience" is but that shouldnt be viewed in a cynical way. Its like playing the role of the jester, you get joy out of the performance but the main goal is bringing in others to experience the joy that you feel. In that sense creators really need to understand what people want and have empathy for other peoples situations and not just think about themselves all the fucking time.Like I think of Pete Docter's films are the best example of this. He put himself in the shoes of a grieving grumpy old man for UP, he took his experiences with sadness and applied to that to how a girl might feel growing up in Inside Out, and Soul is just full of characters having their own takes on life. Thats the only way to get pure imaginative ideas like what anon wants >>154241253 cause that requires max empathy
>>154241031if people were empathetic to he lived experiences of weird introverts who spend most of their time on the internet then there wouldn’t be lolcows
>>154241031I agree with this to an extent. I think it's overstated sometimes how bad it is, but I do think there's a tendency for a lot of groupthink and a lack of diversity when people in the arts come from a pretty similar pool of thought and background. A bunch of 18-21 year olds who grew up doing art online, from similar communities, couldn't relate to their peers/family, and come from families who can pay for art school, you're going to get a lot of stories that sound the same.
>>154241031people having boring life that don't translate in good sotries is pretty global. Anime slice of life is now absolute drivel because the author grew in the 90's instead of the post war era. Same with Europe. I guess the USA is a little different because you never really endured war after the 1919 crash, but having paid schools for rich faggots definitely limit the scope of what people want to talk about.
>>154241061I mean, i know a coworker who’s girlfriend got ganged up and stabbed at a club, and my own experience is finding a body in a ditch
>>154241061struggle for life is already better than struggling to get an iphone13 and gluten free avocado toasts.
>>154244135American public schools are also some of the most "night and day" compared to their private counterpartsSpeaking from personal experience, no private school kid will be able to talk about multiple fights in one lunch period with girls clawing and ripping each other's hair out, one guy getting dunked in the trash can, and 2 kids having to go to the ER.In one fucking lunch period.
>>154241031>I thought real life personal experiences make artIt'd an element it's not the whole enchilada.LoTR for instance is certainly informed by Tolkiens experience but the meat of it comes from all his education on languages and medieval literature.Have experiences and also read a ton of books and shit.
>>154244519I doubt the typical modern LA area animator is the kind of person who reads for pleasure, they probably don't even watch animation besides what was required for their classes or the stuff their friends make.
>>154244519the story of LOTR is anecdotal at best, people only likes the style and details that makes it look way bigger than what it is.
>>154244476> he thinks poor people don’t have iPhonesThey pretty much come with phone plans at this point.
>>154241031Why was it Elemental of all things that riled up this particular xitter user?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaLjGBEN6XQ
>>154244519Education and reading are also life experiences
>>154241092>nooo stop pointing out my inadequacy this is heckin' grifterino!!
>>154244135>Anime slice of life is now absolute drivel because the author grew in the 90's instead of the post war eraDuring the SoL peak it was mostly people who grew up in the 70s and 80s, the economic peak of modern Japan, while modern SoL is made by people who grew up in the post-bubble economy crash era.
>>154241031This is not a California-only issue. This is the result of a globalist effort to streamline human thought and experience into a shared experience. A generation ago, travelling to different states exposed you to whole other cultures. People's livelihood in New York were very different than those living in South Carolina. One of the FEW commonalities people may have had was limited to pop culture. The California guy and the Georgia guy may have different upbringings, but both of them saw the latest episode of M*A*S*H*.Now pop culture is all we are and all that we have. People are raised on the internet. They've never met their friends and call them by their usernames. They find companionship via streamers who say their name after a donation. They date people they've never seen. The reason why hobbies have become politicized ("Go woke go broke", "This'll be the next New Norm!") is because people have been pushed into a digital environment where all we can do is consume. I've spoken to many people who have no idea that chickens lay eggs regardless of a rooster and that they don't need to be refrigerated. But they've heard about all the controversy involving Sweeney's jeans ad or black Ariel. You can't even get mad at people and tell them to touch grass because the kids aren't allowed to. Their parents live in a world where there's constant news of pedophiles, groomers, and kidnappers. Of course they're going to become helicopter parents! Why wouldn't they?! They can't go to malls because they're basically defunct. Curfews are enforced on well-behaved kids on behalf of the delinquents. Teenagers cannot find work to teach them responsibility. Parents have to work multiple jobs so they give their kid an iPad to distract them. I would be fucking shocked if a Pixar artist could create something like "The Incredibles", a story about a guy who misses his glory days, when the world he lives in doesn't even allow for the glory days to happen to begin with.
>>154249909There is a reason dinergoths (modern version of low income suburbian & rural goth/scene culture infused with California culture) exist.
>>154249585I hope Sohn delivers with IIIncredibles, he's supposed to be Bird's protégé
>>154251066But what about the Automatgoths? Don't forget about them!
>>154251899>>154251066Please, everyone knows gasstationthatsellsfriedchickengoth is the real hotness.
>>154241031i don't care as a white person please feed me more asian bean cgi slop I'm a goody goody consumer I will buy tickets please give me more quirky chungus female animal stories I love it
Statistically most media comes from rich writers
experiencing life is not enough. you must also have strong opinions on extremely niche topics nobody else cares about. your challenge as an artist is to make people care.
>>154241031>xitter thread
>>154253127You just gotta be you
>>154241031Good stories are made by people who had rich live experience, I think modern society sort of made sure nobody had much of that, they force you to school and flood most of your free time with homework, they don't allow you to get out on your own anymore unless your parents take you to an already schedule activity. The internet became so homonized that they are more or less like 10 websites everyone uses. How is anyone suppose to have lived in experiences if nobody is allowed to live.
>>154241031The reality is that most people are not interesting or special enough to become good writers. This includes pic relYou have to be "chosen" for it
>>154254513>ChosenUnironically, only good writers I know are Jewish ones
>>154241031The good news it's easier than ever to look up creators and determine whether or not they were propped up by family money/connections. Also hi prat I think you are super cool, we were in the same room party at magfest one year but I was too shy to talk to you.>>154244837I get the impression there is some degree of modern creatives not eating their vegetables at play. It's like the energy pyramid but for art and all they are doing is eating meat.
>>154251888We were robbed of a 2D Incredibles miniseries
>>154255019This 2D art is so cute ^v^
>>154241031Half of Pixar's output seems top be>My wacky foreign parents don't get me
Asian experiences are never talked about. I don't know why white twitter acts like it is such a violation of their rights to not have a blond woman on screen for five seconds.
>>154255506The hegemony of whiteness demands constant psychological upkeep to stave off reality
>>154249870anime isn't really linear as far as author goes. post war people stayed until death before being replaced with a generation born and raised 30 years later. it's the same as american comics, the seat numbers is limited and people grow old so many generations got excluded
>>154252976>most medianot>most good media
>>154244491none of this shit happened in my school, we just had bomb threats every day.
>>154241031Elemental was just Pixar ripping off Guess Who with Bernie Mac which itself was a rip-off rehash of Sidney Poitier's Guess Who's Coming to Dinner. Sure California is full of nepobaby silver spooners making boo hoo woe is me media ad nauseum when the worst thing someone did was tell them no/their latest attention whoring was just a phase but that's just a symptom of Hollywood being collectively bankrupt and incestous for decades at this point. It's why the few movies doing decent turnarounds is either indieshit (Obsession) or corpo-bankrolled memeshit like The Backrooms, FnaF, etc. No one hates nepobaby poseurs than other nepos and while they shill this shit on the daily to stay in the access media club, they never pay for any of this shit in their own dime and corps are pulling out of the sugar daddy game since there's barely any return on investment on neposhows either.
>>154244135>muh post-war eraPeople really need to let this rhetoric die. It's become the new "suffering creates true art". It romanticizes tragic circumstances rather than focusing on the overall conditions that allowed creators of the era to channel their experiences into unique creative endeavors compared to today.
>>154241031The problem is that modern animators don't have any lived experiences. Same for writers. They go straight from education to "creative" industries and don't actually know what the world outside their bubble is.
>>154255727I like how you have no rebutal at all. Just yapping incoherent nonsense.
>>154255821this reminds me of a thread about why american made manga isn't ever about american things or uniquely american lifethe problem is when they tell these creators to write what they know, but american life compared to what it was decades ago really fucking sucks now all you really do is go to work/school, then go home. you can't really go out and experience life that isn't mundane as shit also the people who are into things like animating or writing aren't the types to be going outside and being social since the skill requires you to be sitting at a desk all day no one can really be creative and have unique experiences anymore because everyone is too busy trying to live a stable life which might be why nostalgia bait and reference heavy media is all over the place right now
>>154255821It’s a chicken and egg problem too. You kind of have to do that to make it your career, so you wind up with most of your seniors having similar stories down the line. It’s definitely not an animation industry exclusive problem.
>>154248148Because it sucks ass.
>>154256224damn...
>>154255481yeah ikr
