>>154242555
why does everyone on this site subscribe to high school tier pragmatism?

>>154242569
Why are you brown?

>>154242569
Because 4chan userbase is made of either genuine teenage contrarians or worse manteenagers contrarians (manchild doesn't fit, childrens are not that bitter, irony poisoned or cynical)

>>154242593
It doesn't help that said teenagers are brain damaged from short form media, I don't think they genuinely can correlate all the episodes leading up to this together.

When did a guy who spends millions on fighting petty criminals in a bat costume that ultimately will never end go crazy?

>>154242569
What is your argument?

>>154242923
not an argument, just an observation that the ethical framework being used is a high-school students understanding of utilitarianism

>>154242923
His argument is that being pragmatic is actually wrong and childish because it makes him feel bad that monsters and criminals got lobotomized.

>>154242593
Please explain what's wrong with lobotomizing Doomsday, or even Joker and the rest of Batman's rogue gallery. Why is it morally wrong to permanently pacify them, when they just get sent to prison, bust out and kill people again and again. The reason out of universe why Joker is still alive is because he's an iconic character, but in universe there's no justification for him continuing to exist. At least Superman only lobotomized him.

>>154242939
>His argument is that being pragmatic is actually wrong and childish
if we simply use "pragmatism" as a shield to ignore all moral arguments, thats equally childish
because its essentially just a nuance-less interpretation of consequentialism

>>154242965
The story isn't that nuanced though. It's an extremely basic moral lecture about how we need to give the worst people in our society basic human dignity because if we don't then we will degrade and start punish people for minor infractions (like the guy getting arrested for complaining about the food in the restaurant scene). The problem with this is that the world of DC is filled with superpowered maniacs that regularly kill, maim and destroy everything in their path. So Superman killing or lobotomising them isn't some deep moral dilemma, it's basic common sense. What's the argument, "If we allow superpowered vigilantes to kill supervillains we will descent into fascism "

>>154242949
Because it’s better to kill at that point

>>154243009
>So Superman killing or lobotomising them isn't some deep moral dilemma, it's basic common sense
again, this is using an extremely simplified version of utilitarianism to justify murder by a third party

> What's the argument, "If we allow superpowered vigilantes to kill supervillains we will descent into fascism "
and the argument for killing supervillains is the equally childish stance of "its just common sense"

Isn't the point that Superman is risking to become cold and ruthless like Justic Lord counterpart?

>>154243076
Murder means killing innocent people

You don’t even know what the words you use mean

>>154243082
Did the guy who killed Bin Laden become a cold and ruthless dictator?

Get tf out with your insane troll logic, imbecile

>>154243120
Ok, autistic retard

>>154243127
Nice rebuttal

I bet you don’t even believe in God

>>154243132
I bet you are an edgy onionsboy

>>154243082
The point is Bruce should be subjected to the same fate as the last remaining human in "I Have No Mouth, And I Must Scream"

>>154243076
In the real world the Joker, Doomsday and almost every other supervillain would get the death penalty. It seems that you are complaining about the procedure instead of the end result. A third party performing the execution on behalf of the general populace isn't a problem considering what they did. It is justifiable, in the same way it's justifiable for a rape victim to kill her rapist even if the state declares him innocent.

>>154243288
>. It seems that you are complaining about the procedure instead of the end result
using only the end result to evaluate the morality of the action is itself a hardline consequentialist position that no one takes, much less superman

>A third party performing the execution on behalf of the general populace isn't a problem considering what they did.
if you are arguing that execution is okay as long as it performs a public service, then you should have no problem with superman doing this to any villain he sees as too difficult to contain
and this is the "oh no fascism" outcome you claim is an overexaggerated result while at the same time justifying a very real step towards it

>>154243288
Doomsday is nearly indestructible and get’s stronger every time he gets killed. How the actual fuck can you even kill him, throwing him into a black hole?

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I know you prefer correction-rape, but I'm telling you lobotomies are more humane!

>>154243029
Why? Arguebly you are reforming them into a docile stressless existence.

>>154243423
That’s what I meant.

>>154242555
Didn’t watch the episode, did you? He was in a pissy mood cause not only did he just barely survive a nuke, the league’s heads sent Doomsday to the phantom zone while he was stuck in the hospital.

Besides, is it that aggravating an issue when superheroes keep each other in check? Cause they objectively did have a lot of power, and they really do have no oversight or checks on their power to decide what they do. Half the reason that there’s even an interesting moral conflict at all is that it is very true that containing Doomsday to a place like the Phantom Zone was likely the only viable solution due to his stated intent to never stop going after Superman. But the fact the League has the option to essentially exile anyone they don’t like away from the universe is a power that should never be taken lightly, and if word got out that the League could do that without any oversight than Cadmus would basically gain a massive amount of support in an instant.

I get it, you’re a contrarian who wants to stick it to Batman for being all goody two-shoes. But the whole point of that season was that the Justice League was getting up to some scary shit in the name of “we had no choice” and that they needed to keep themselves honest about what it is they do and how they operate by moving past the “I’m the only one who can save the world” mindset they were developing. Like, I’m shocked you don’t understand this, this shit is something even children can understand.

>>154243472
Killing is worse though. You are terminating their existence and capacity to experience, often painfully. How is that not worse than taking a threat to society and allowing them to continue to exist and experience blissfully without them threatening society? Death is an excessive act when there is already a solution which preserves the existance of the guilty party.

>>154243517
It’s objectively better than lobotomy

>>154243525
Its obejectively not.

>>154243541
It is

>>154243548
Nuh uh

>>154243551
Yes, at least the bastard dies as itself

>>154243392
I love that this shows Justice lord Superman isn’t without compassion. He only heat visioned the puppet.

>>154243600
It’s because Scarface is the boss, you dummy.

>>154243595
But you want to remove bastard for being a bastard, why do you care about somehow preserving that prior to removing them from existence entirely? With a lobotomy you remove the bastard but an entity, conciousness, remains that poses no harm to society.

>>154243603
Oh put a socko in it.

>>154243610
You are a retard

>>154242555
This is the same guy who keeps not killing the super-terrorist clown who keeps escaping the local asylum, because "killing is le bad".

>>154243627
>no argument
I accept your conession.

>>154242569
>>154242593
>"Not immediately solving the immediate threat to the Earth/City is actually stupid, and I'm smart"
>doesn't have any other solution
This type of thinking is why the world is going to shit

>>154242569
because there's nothing better.

>>154243635
Ok, tard

>>154242569
because most of this site is underage shitskins

>>154243392
this is the part that's fucked up killing them would be a lot kinder than giving them lobotomies

>>154242569
Because they went to highschool? I don't understand your point.

>>154244140
People are supposed to grow out of their edgelord phase once they get to college.

>>154242949
Its a drain on the economy. You're making retards who cant take care of themselves and someone would have to do it and pay for it when we have the good ole fashion death sentence. We should also grind them up into food. And do this for all the homeless. Im not being ironic.

>>154244176
>Im not being ironic.
Then you are very stupid

>>154244155
That hasn't been true since the early 2000s, now you inherently become more edgy in your college years as you become more politically radicalized in one direction or the other.

>>154243288
Here in Canada they would be set free on bail. And if they were eskimos they wouldnt even go to jail.

>>154244176
At that point you might as well do full societally planned eugenics, which delves into something arguebly much worse.

>>154244198
So, more stupid and immature, got it.

>>154244176
Maybe next time before you post, you look up prion diseases on your local search engine to understand why cannibalism is a shitty idea and you're stupid for ever suggesting it

>>154243009
>The problem with this is that the world of DC is filled with superpowered maniacs


No let me stop you there. The problem is that this is a cartoon for children and they need to oversimplify it for children because they are children. It was never meant for adults until nerds got insecure and made everything rape murder grimdark realistic and that was decades before even Nolan. Its a cartoon. Its a fucking cartoon. It's a motherfucking cartoon. Fuck grass and touch women.

>>154244155
>killing pol pot while he murder rapes everyone in his country is actually you just being a edgelord

>>154244212
But I want epidemics to kill everyone. Its not happening fast enough. Do you know how many disgusting retarded brown people just replied to me? You should because you posted it. You could be dead and I wouldnt have had to read your stupid fucking post.

>>154243610
>With a lobotomy you remove the bastard but an entity, conciousness, remains that poses no harm to society.
A lobotomy doesn't flip a switch in their head from 'evil' to 'good', it renders them a mental invalid. Unable to function on their own because they lack the presence of mind to successfully complete the act of making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
Does it prevent them from harming others? Yes, outside of extreme circumstances. But what you have done to them is what many would consider a fate worse than death. It's only "better" if all you care about is that they still have a pulse and every other aspect of their life or the quality thereof is irrelevant to you. Its a frankly psychopathic perspective on why killing is bad and not killing is good, warping a moral argument into its most malicious form.

I would rather kill someone than lobotomize them for the same reason that I would rather kill someone than prevent them from committing more crimes by amputing their arms and legs and cutting out their tongue and eyes. The wretched, crippled form I have inflicted on the criminal is 'alive' so I have not violated some no-kill rule, but I can't imagine anyone would consider what I have done to avoid 'killing' them to be any kind of mercy or a preferable option to death.

>>154244213
>come to comics board
>hate comics
>uses zoomer slang while telling others to fuck women when 80% of zoom zooms are sexless
Nigger.

>>154244201
>which delves into something arguebly much worse.

>No mental illness
>No illness
>High IQ
>Beautiful

What's so bad about eugenics again?

>>154244213
Why are you proposing sexual assault as a good thing?

>>154244227
I think it's obvious from your posts that you should probably get checked for Kuru, wannabe edgelord.

>>154242580
Browns usually had high school tier pragmatism.

>>154244245
Where are the comic threads again it's 99% cartoon threads

>>154244247
That you wouldn’t live up to the standards.

>>154244247
Because the very people you likely don't like want to deploy it against you (they are already doing it passively through societal conditioning)

In the Batman Beyond comic sequel they had to strawman Justice Lord Superman HARD just so his POV seemed less reasonable in the fucked up future.

>>154244250
Because Im from India.

>>154244266
Yeah and that's unironically a good thing. None of us would. Notice how every single post here is retarded? All that would be gone. No retards. Good

>>154244272
Oh yeah I see your point

Its bare

>>154242555
This show started the trend of turning Doomsday into Bizarro 2.0 and I'm not a fan of that.

>>154244226
>falls back on non-sequiters once he's lost

>>154243120
>Did the guy who killed Bin Laden become a cold and ruthless dictator
Bin Laden was a rebels who fough a ruthless dictator in the 70s-80s

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>>154242555
This is why these are the best DC heroes. They almost always try to kill the villains and if they return they kill them again.

>>154244247
Eugenics is bad for two reasons: the first is social, the second is biological.

The social argument about eugenics is that 99% of the people who advocate for it would misapply it and use it to root out whoever they consider to be 'undesireable' or as a tool of political punishment. You think you'll use it to create a race of perfect supermen, but the reality as we have already seen it applied poorly IRL is that the line gets moved arbitrarily as a tool of PUNISHMENT and not a means of improvement.

The biological argument is that a manmade filter on human biodiversity comes with risks of failing to understand the true nature or impact of features we have chosen to remove. We survive plagues by everyone being a little different from everyone else so that a disease that would kill a lot of us doesn't kill all of us, some set of traits or random mutations usually gives at least a portion of the population a chance. If you decide that you are going to filter humanity down to some nazi ideal aryan superman where everyone is blonde haired and blue eyed etc, you've placed an artificial constraint on that biodiversity that renders us much more vulnerable to disease in the future because anything that affects some of the population now has a much greater chance of affecting ALL of the population.
This diversity bottlenecking applies to more than just diseases. Neurodivergence in various forms frequently has fringe benefits to society. People with dyslexia saw past natural camoflage that normal people would be tricked by. People with ADHD can go for longer without sleep than normal people with fewer side effects, and handle high stress situations better than normal people do. Autistic people are why you have the computers we are using to communicate right now. And so on. You WANT a sprinkling of weirdos in the mix to do things that the baseline population would never think to do, thats how you end up with new stuff.

>>154244315
Thats not what a non sequitor is dumbass.

>>154244445
That's alot of words to promote dysgenics

>>154244461
You are dysgenic because you hurt my feelings. The autocastrator has been deployed. Do not resist, this is for the benefit of society.

>>154244461
Your presence is enough.

>>154244445
I buy the social reason and think that's enough, the biological one is a bit iffy. We already practice selective breeding(eugenics on anything that isn't human) for 1000s of years with little failure. If it were that bad, domestication would have failed.

>>154244475
The walltext is arguing we should bring back plauges to have a healthier human stock.

The morbidly obese geriatrics and "life at any cost" fags are not very healthy people.

>>154244523
Domestication and selective breeding absolutely does result in health problems though (look at the health complications associated with different breeds of dogs because we put aesthetics over health) and monocultures in farming making our crops vastly more vulnerable to blights and pets to the point that we have to coat them with poison to keep the fields from becoming mold and insect farms.

>>154242569
Arrested development, and I don't mean the show. The site's userbase always ends up picking the most infantile, immature, and violent option possible.

>>154244767
We coat them in poisons after genetically engineering then to survive the poisons

>>154244795
That’s stupid

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>>154244803
It's so the poison kills all the pests but not the crop. Are you actually retarded?

Arguing about what should be done to fictional characters in a fictional setting in general is pretty dumb. Especially since you arent even applying real world morality to it. In real life there are murderous psychos who not only get away with it but are wealthy beyond imagining and adored by the public. "Bad guys" win all the time and never get held accountable for it.

Who gives a fuck if an imaginary character isnt being held accountable for imaginary crimes? Live in the real world for fuck sake, worry about actual real life people who right now in reality are getting away with murder while you sit on your ass debating fictional characters.

>>154244815
Poison isn’t good

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>Bat-Villains who deserve to be dead/lobotomized
Joker
Bane
Ra's al Ghul

>Bat-Villains who deserve to be put under the jail forever
Penguin
Killer Croc
Mr. Zsasz
Hugo Strange

>Bat-Villains who would literally be fantastic allies if you just helped them do their shit in a way that genuinely helped society
Mr. Freeze
Poison Ivy
Riddler
Clayface
>Bat-Villains who just need therapy and they're be fine
Mad Hatter
Two-Face
Harley Quinn

Most of Batman's villians are just crooks who deserve jail time or can be rehabilitated. Hell, if Poison Ivy had been made in the 90s, she'd just BE a superhero.

Batman is very immature and expects people to reform as opposed to injure criminals. That part of him stays until the forced drama at the third retool and Beyond, though Beyond is forced. The comic is better when his immaturity gets balanced out by Jason who's equally immature

>>154244357
It was a power struggle between bad people. Being the underdog doesn't make him a good guy.

>>154244856
Aren't all of these guys serial murderers?

>>154244856
The Penguin can't reform even though he took out Batman. He's too delusional. Mr Freeze treats crime like a day job. As far as I am concerned Sub Zero was the best conclusion

>>154244930
Yes, but any Batfag will tell you that this is how Batman sees his villains. If ONLY we got Freeze a lab and appealed to his good nature, he'd be the League's medical officer. If ONLY Ivy got her pussy eaten on a regular basis and superheroes were genuinely allow to address pollution and deforestation, she'd be a genuine superhero. If ONLY we put Nygma on the hardest cold cases possible and praised him, he'd be one of Batman's greatest allies.

Just never mind the heaps of bodies we have to sweep under the rug.

>>154242555
Killing is a better mercy than lobotomy if you ask me. They at least full presence of mind. Therefore, the ball's always in their court to change and not mine.

>>154242555
>Superman is the most well-handled of the no-kill crew
Its how it be

>>154244783
>and I don't mean the show
Thank you, high-IQ poster, for clarifying that you were not, in fact, referencing a television show that ended seven years ago, as this is the first thing anyone and everyone would think of when hearing the term, and couldn't at all decipher through your subtle context that you may have been, in fact, referring to the psychological disorder.

Shut the Hell up.

>>154245096
>ended seven years ago

>>154243392
>Not still raping them AFTER the lobotomy.

>>154245096
Do you not understand what a joke is?

>>154245293
Is t that the guy who fights bats?

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>>154242555
What? This was when Superman sent Doomsday to the Phantom Zone. Batman was being entirely unreasonable here.

>>154243354
That version of Doomsday didn't have that power. He was just a fucked up clone of Superman.

>>154242569
These restorative justice liberal ideals have aged like milk, better access to info showed that some criminals simply can't be afforded mercy

>>154245426
It's not some, it's most of them. Totally coincidentally, most criminals have skin the color of literal shit and IQ to match.

The notion that only the government upholds the law is a relatively new one. For centuries, it was considered the responsibility of all citizens to punish criminality in order to protect society. Courts were only meant to deliberate on complicated matters where it wasn't initially clear if the perpetrator really did commit a crime. If you came across someone in the act of rape or murder, you had the obligation to kill them, that's why lynch mods were a thing.

>>154245389
Yes and no. Batman's point about how Cadmus and the rest of the world have a right to be afraid of how much unchecked power they have is valid, but it's true that there wasn't going to be any other real way to take care of Doomsday. And given how he was written, Batman would likely have relented on that obvious point if the writers weren't originally planning to have this be Batman's turning point to joining Cadmus in developing anti-JL measures. But then the writers realized how fucking stupid that kind of thing would be, so they just retconned it later to Batman being too pissy and paranoid and fixated on keeping the League in check to consider that he should be more actively keeping Cadmus in check with how many of their projects they keep unleashing to stop the JL.

Batman's stupidity was explicitly thanks to the writers this time.

>>154242569
You're arguing with bots and people who just want attention. Do you really think any actual legitimate discussion can be had when there's no reason to?

>>154242593
>childrens are not that bitter, irony poisoned or cynical
maybe not you

>>154245516
Are you advocating for lynching to come back in style?

>>154245224
I definitely would for Poison Ivy.

>>154242555
Sometimes reason overrode the Batwank, Twilight was an entire arc about how sometimes Batman really is fucking retarded

>>154245516
For the periods of time which you refer to, transport and communication didn't allow for a quick response by authority to where crimes were happening and the police didn't even exist as an organization. You were lucky if you had any constables, often there wasn't even that. So the law was a social contract that was up to the citizens to uphold themselves because there was no other option, realistically speaking. As you say, trials happened but only under special occasions and larger disagreements that required mediation.

>>154245552
In terms of the unchecked power/responsibility angle... what IS the sweet spot? Obviously a handful of superpowered randos can't just be naturally assumed to be moral paragons that should be above the oversight or will of the people, but also hunting and jailing or killing them as dangers to society as the default response is psychotic.

Personally I feel like the answer is a review board. If the Avengers rush off to stop Ultron from destroying the world, you don't get in between them and the bad guy and make them seek UN approval and sign paperwork for permission to enter the airspace of a foreign power in a process that takes days or weeks. most of the time heroes only have a few hours to rush in and save the day, there isn't TIME for red tape.
That said, after the fighting is over, the Justice League or the Avengers should absolutely have to explain and justify themselves in an after-action report. This can serve multiple purposes! Part of it is "did the heroes do the right thing or did they make the problem worse?", but just as valid in these meets are "What could local forces have done to help? Could we have gotten ahead of this before it became a superhero emergency? How can we coordinate to prevent this kind of shitshow in the future?"

Sometimes that means Bruce Banner goes to jail because the Hulk threw a train full of people at a giant robot. Sometimes that means Batman has to divulge his antidote to Scarecrow fear toxin to the government so that they are not powerless in the face of a supervillian attack and at least MIGHT be able to handle shit on their own next time. And sometimes it means a big international argument about what to do with the Black Hole Bomb that the heroes stopped Doctor Nefarious from detonating but absolutely could still destroy the planet if anyone presses the button. Its clearly too dangerous to just leave in some superhero's basement, but no one wants anyone else to have it either.

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>>154245752
>That’s Dr. Nefarious for you, squishy.

>>154245579
As the justice system becomes more two tiered, it will happen naturally.

>>154242555
Batman was written and created by Baby Boomers who have a really infantile idea of what Fascism looks like.

>>154245752
>That said, after the fighting is over, the Justice League or the Avengers should absolutely have to explain and justify themselves in an after-action report
That's actually how it works in the comics. No, really. Justice League International had official ties to the United Nations in regards to sponsorship and legality in return for regular reports on what they were doing. And the Avengers had numerous members of the National Security Council assigned to them as a liaison, which Tony Stark accepted so that they could keep themselves based in the US as well as ensure the US government allows them to remain independent as long as they tell the government what they were up to. Hell, there was an entire joke issue of the Avengers dealing with a frigging audit from the Stark Foundation over one of their latest missions, and Captain America outright shows the paperwork he filed for an emergency landing of the Quinnjet as well as the parking ticket he paid for.

I'm basically saying that I fully agree that a review board would be the most sensible solution, just that most comic book writers are hacks who think that repeating the same unchecked power/responsibility angle is easier than actually sitting down and doing the boring worldbuilding shit.

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>>154245579
>Are you advocating for lynching to come back in style?
Yes.

>>154245879
No, Kane and Fingers weren’t boomers

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>>154242555
he's a traumatized child acting on his grief, please understand.

>>154244310
People love to praise this series and TT, but they're responsible for the distorted perception that casual viewers and fanboys have of the heroes.

Wondet Woman reduced to Batman's "girlfriend," and Raven being a generic goth girl who's the daughter of a demon... yeah, most of the fanbase doesn't even know the TT characters' real names.

>>154245941
>Raven being a generic goth girl who's the daughter of a demon
That's pretty much her character, right from inception.

>>154246021
She wasn’t goth but spiritual in a new-age way.

>>154246035
Same difference.

Evil Politicians, CEO's and Celebrities are conditioning us through moral fiction to forgive Villains and never kill them for their atrocities.

>>154246114
No, superheroes live in the shadow of a long dead code that kept the government from regulating them. As cape comics have had to become more and more sensational in the last 40+ years to stay relevant, the serious drama and IRL changing social morals keeps butting up against the 1950s morality that superheroes are still forced to uphold.

>>154246114
Meds

>>154246624
They rot your brain and make you a docile zombie, yes. What about it?

>>154246045
No
>>154246664
Conspiracyshit is retarded

>>154242965
Now say that without hiding behind fancy words you don’t understand you limp wristed coward.

>>154242569
>high school tier pragmatism
That isn't a thing. Just say pragmatism. High school students don't typically subscribe to pragmatism. Its clear you have no argument against it so you slap on "high school" to make it seems like you have a point

>>154246690
Lemme guess, Little Saint James is not real, it's just something Alex Jones made up?

>>154246903
No

>>154246879
"High School tier" in this case means the most introductory understanding of a higher concept. Just like "high school tier math knowledge" is just knowing basic algebra or geometry. It carries no nuance or greater thought than just the most basic reading of the definition.

A high school tier understanding of pragmatism would be "Shouldn't Superman and Batman just kill all their bad guys since they're all murderers?" That completely lacks the nuance of the personalities of the two, the collateral damage such acts would have, how the public would respond, how far would be too far in this situation, ect. At the end of the day, the wholesale extermination of evil isn't as pragmatic as it first seems.

>>154242555
Superman being in a precarious mental state where he's willing to fudge his limits while Luthor is actively fucking with him is something to be worried about. Be glad that the writers didn't go through with their plan to have Batman side with CADMUS.

>>154246916
Whatever you say, Jeffrey.

>>154248641
Who?

>>154246690
I'm glad we agree that the Holocaust and Unit 731 logistically make zero sense as bizarre mainstream conspiracy theories and Jeffrey Epstein did nothing wrong and was just an unfortunate victim of global antisemitism instead of the bizarre designer baby and human/child trafficking shit Drumpf went with.

>>154248678
Jeffrey Epstein a humble, reclusive humanitarian. The other anon is just a raging antisemite trying to accuse you of being a child trafficker due to conspiratard talking points emboldened by the Drumpf administration realizing most of their supporters are legit schizos and needing a PR win after the H1B backlash.

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>>154243392
>Lobotomized Scarface but not the Ventriloquist

>>154244856
Harley can't recover unless Joker's dead. If he's lobotomized, she's gonna try to find a way to fix him somehow, or cause a little chaos to get him to start acting like himself or something.

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>>154245752
But anon if we did all of that we wouldn't have comics anymore

>>154242580
because you're green

>>154242569
bump

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>>154242555
>>154242569
>murdering evil people is fascist

the lesson of ww2 was not to debate fascists, it was to kill them. nuremburg was not for rehabilitation. even young teens can grasp and understand justice.

>>154242569
>if you don't let the Joker kill and maim thousands of people, you're a high school tier pragmatist
Projection. And I mean it. "Never kill anyone or you'll be just like the villain" is high school heroics.

>>154242569
Because everyone here is either a breadtuber or the discord kitten of a breadtuber and share the same retarded takes where they think they're smarter than the heroes when really they don't read comics or manga, they don't watch anime or cartoons, and they don't play video games. They just want to co-opt nerd shit for the sake of building their ego cults and convert everyone into trad christianity or some dumb shit.

>>154255835
You have not read Popper

>>154242569
Its summer and schools out

>>154246114
this is the truth but no one is ready to have that conversation

Is DCAU Doomsday even a person, in the sense that he should be afforded the same basic rights and empathy as literal humans? Because the League already killed the shit out of that bizarre white martian abomination in the first episodes, that thing was sapient. And would go on to carelessly fight parademons, which must have led to fatalities. How are extrajudicial killings excusable but scooping out lobes is the point of no return? All of these examples are a war-like situation, heroes fighting for sheer survival, with extremely high consequences for failure. Is it some horseshit about the "rules of war", that flawed concept that's no one has successfully practiced? Would Batman pulp Doomsday's brain himself if the monster was wearing a uniform? Because that wouldn't actually change anything.

>>154242555
I really miss THIS DCAU. So much better than this new faggot Superman show