Why can manga have very strategic fights that end up with a plot twist (an unexpected way of defeating a villain), while capeshit has characters using their powers in the most unoriginal way possible, and fights end up with either a harder punch or a deus ex machina?Compare fight from part 4 of JoJo and fight from Green Lantern.
>>154243216IDK I like the last fight in Grendel. It feels very dynamic despite being contained to a single splash page
>>154243216>>154243226Conan also has some good fights but you have to dig through hundreds of issues and different publishers to find the good stuff
Once again /co/ shows how limited and narrow its idea of comics is
>>154243216>>154243226>>154243246Also anything by Pat Mills is gonna have some cool fights. His run of punisher 2099 was pretty good.
>>154243216>>154243226>>154243246>>154243256>>154243266This is why you will die a virgin.
>>154243216>Why can manga have very strategic fights that end up with a plot twist (an unexpected way of defeating a villain)I don't think even die hard manga fans would make this point. It feels as if you're really stretching.
>>154243272Faggot, nobody cares about your lufe
>>154243266>"Impaler">[Tepess]Sensible chuckle.jpg
>>154243216Wally West Vs Mongul nuff's said
>>154243652Sigurd Jarlson Vs Dario Agger is also a good one
>>154243216Tbh I don't like how stiff most western comics look(especially capeshit). The left side reads way better.
>>154243216Big 2 are especially shit at writing romance these days, all I'm saying.And if the East with all their usual hang-ups are outdoing you, you got deep rot.
>>154244420>manga>romance
I was never a fan of capeshit but it would be boring being the same Flamingo, oh, oh, oh You're pretty either way
>>154243216>pic unrelated
>>154244420In the last decade or so I've only seen a handful of good romance stories come from manga.
>>154244831Tbh that's still more than the big 2. >>154244719If you step outside of shonen, yeah. I've been reading Veil and I am enjoying it a lot.
>>154244787the problem is that capeshit IS boring right now. they were way more inventive with it in the 80s.
Remember in Raiders of the Lost Ark where Indiana Jones is confronted by a swordsman who has a bunch of fancy moves, and instead of humoring him with a fight scene he just shoots him? That sort of quick, pragmatic action is something I think is more American storytelling than manga going for elaborate choreography in fights.(yes I know the scene was originally going to be an elaborate fight scene)
>>154245251>strong man villain has person in a perfect hold or is choking them>throws them for no reason, hero gets back up and second winds to victoryHow many times have you seen this in comics and cartoons, manga stretches fights into thirty fucking chapters but dumb shit happens in western fights all the time.
>>154245251That is bullshit when old american movies had fantastically choreographed fights all the time. That is just an exception.
>>154245251>Ark where Indiana Jones is confronted by a swordsman who has a bunch of fancy moves, and instead of humoring him with a fight scene he just shoots him?eh, I've seen this cliche in both manga and comics. Like hokuto no ken has some of the evil fags brag about their ultra cool techniques and then they just get 1 shotted.
>>154243216Goddamn. HulkChad AND Superschizo turning on comics? What a massive betrayal.
>>154245251No. There are still fights, they're just badly drawn.
>>154246969It's CHADulk's lame imposter, not the real one
>>154243216Why? Largely its the format, A western Monthly 22 page comic book VS a Japanese 15 page chapter in a phonebook sized pre-publication magazine.So in a 22 page floppy comic you only have so much storytelling real estate, and fights will slow down how much story you can tell as they typically take large panels to be more impactful and less plot related dialog will take place during the fight.And since your title is monthly and will typically cost your reader 5$ per installment you want to keep them hooked with as much story as possible so they'll spend another 5$ on the next installment the next month because if the entire 22 issue comic was just fighting the reader will feel gypped because they spent 5$ for a plot light installment that you breezed through in a minute and a half.Now in a Japanese pre-publication magazine you can devote the entire 15 page chapter to just fighting and sometimes even multiple chapters to the same fight because for roughly 2.50$ USD and sure, you'll blow through the chapter quickly, but you also get 20 other series you can read in the same book, and the next chapter comes out in a week instead of in a month so the reader will have more patience for certain chapters being light on story and heavy with action.That said, a talented Western writer will find a way to balance both plat AND action inside the 22 pages he is given. while others will try to shove all the action into as few pages as possible to get it over with and get back to the plot.
>>154243216Aside from the culture of martial arts, which is why Chinese and Japanese movies have better fights as well, I think it's page length. You look at like the Vegeta vs Recoome fight for example in Dragon Ball that fight is around 30 pages long or so across multiple weekly chapters. A single monthly comic is typically 20-30 pages in it's entirety. You have to really condense not just the fight but every thing else. And when the decompression stuff in comics came around they did it in a stupid way imitating movies and shit and still having shitty fights and drama and acting but just dragging everything out for trades instead.
>>154244952It's shit
>>154244420>>154244952Why the fuck would you go to the big two for romance of all things?
>>154243291Most east vs west threads are stretches
>>154250142Veil? Nah it’s good.
>Goku gets new hair color to beat the villainHow unexpected.
>>154250362Nah it's shit
>>154250386You don’t have anything significant to say so I will ignore your posts from now on.
Why bring up romance shit when the thread was talking about fight scenes?
>>154250408>jumps into thread bringing up an unrelated topic>can't actually articulate>gets madYou deserve to be ignored.
>>154243216>lantern corps all shooting generic lasersMan, that is the worst thing about that page. Fucking garbage with 0 creativity.
>>154250420Because this board is filled with gays and women.
>>154250380>>154250442
>>154250440>everyone is the same personReally low iq, I was not the one to complain about romance.
>>154250468Are you retarded?>comics being garbage is good because dbs is also shitThat’s not a good argument.
>>154250474>retard thinks I was talk about the guy complaining about romanceYup, deserve to be ignored
>>154250498That's not the point at all you mongoloid
>>154250272Capeshit used to have some good romance like 30-40 years ago. It was used to write convincing drama and relations in spider-man and x men
>>154250272Because all these threads know is big two and mainstream manga. Look how the examples in the beginning of the thread were mostly ignored.
>>154250513Then what’s the point retard? Why can’t you defend the garbage page when previous artists have drawn the lanterns using more interesting powers
>>154250519>capeshit>good romance
>>154250543I wasn't defending the GL you retard. I hate western capesehit. DB fags continue to prove their low iq’s.
>>154250499You really are low iq>>jumps into thread bringing up an unrelated topicI didn’t bring any unrelated topic, I responded to a topic that has already been mentioned.
>>154250571>backtracking>doesn’t even notice what the argument was about Really, really low iq
>>154250565Then if you hate capeshit, what’s even the point of your post? What does dbs have to do with my post complaining about the op page?>db fagI don’t like dragon ball, the example in the op is jojo for fuck sake.
>>154250588>n-no youI am asking you again, when did I bring up an unrelated topic? Do you have an answer? No? Then you are not worth it.
>bait thread just devolves into people arguing in circles over fucking nothingLove to see it
>>154250534I like Conan but I agree with op regarding the capeshit problem.
>>154250609>bring up romance in a fight scene thread>tries to gaslight people into thinking it didn’t happenYou are not worth talking to
>>154250628So true OP.
>>154250589I was shitting on the other guy for complaining about DBS when capeslop is worse. Read.
>>154250634>>bring up romance in a fight scene threadWhere? Quote my post.
>>154243216>Why can manga have very strategic fights that end up with a plot twist (an unexpected way of defeating a villain), while capeshit has characters using their powers in the most unoriginal way possible, and fights end up with either a harder punch or a deus ex machina?>Compare fight from part 4 of JoJo and fight from Green Lantern.Because it's easier for an artist writing the story themselves to visualize what the characters are doing in a scene then translate it into a sequence. Most Big 2 cape books are writer driven so they select artists that "generalize" action to keep page counts in line with scripts. Essentially manga hires animators to do action while western comics hires illustrators.
>>154250671Here>>154244420And if it isn't you, why respond to me?
>>154250683This reads like a virgin typed it out.
>>154250646Heh but really the op only has to make the thread and then he can come tomorrow to collect the easy attention without engaging. Capeshit comcis are limited by the format like the other anons have said, I don’t see why it’s controversial to agree with him.
>>154250706Because he's clearly just doing it to bait and get attention.A few anons are actually putting into terms that don't shit on either side while being succinct and actually explaining shit.
>>154250684That wasn’t me, that’s my point. See, we are going in circles for something as dumb as this.
>>154250731>>And if it isn't you, why respond to me?
>>154250741To which one of your posts I’ve responded? I mentioned Veil because I disagreed with your statement.
Lot of phone posts in this thread
>>154250755So you were the original poster
>>154250706>it’s controversial to shit on an op
>>154250766Nope. This was my 1st post itt>>154244952. You could say that I used his points but I didn’t make the post myself
>>154250609>anon posts a png of himself crying
>>154250789That’s a double face palm though.
>>154250785Then why are you responding to me when I wasn't the one talking about people complaining about romance being brought up?
>>154250802>crying into your hands is just double face palming
>>154250611It's kind of amazing. This place is so filled with trolls, schizos and underage phoneposters that even the tried and true east vs west threads just get fucked up.The hack basically killed this site.
Speaking of CHADulk, I never found that character convincing or compelling. For example, he wasn't scary or horrifying or anything in Immortal Hulk, the little of it I read. It's important that the artist captures whatever it is that needs to be captured right from the beginning. Most other western comic fans seem to just roll with it, because it's a character they grew up with and follow, regardless of quality.
>>154250847It was bad right before that.
>>154251131The art in this run always looked kinda shit to me
>>154251653not as bad
>>154243216>RightHeroes fighting a giant monster that could probably destroy worlds>LeftEBIN TIRE MONSTER HOW HILARIOUS AND -BIZARRE- SO LE HECKIN CHUNGAROOOOOOOOOOOO! NIPPON DO BETTARU EVEN THOUGH I AM PROBABLY A SPIC ECKS DEE
>>154254557>-t.
Doom patrol has cool fight scenes but don't read exclusively because of the fights itself, I like the weird stuff that happens in that comic. Also god forgive me but when I was younger I read Bomb Queen because I liked edgy shit, well, there was this character that could bend reality by changing the actual comic text globes, it was a gem trapped in coal but I wonder, why are you antagonizing these people? You could've made a thread about cool fight scenes in comics books without bringing inflammatory crap.
>>154255703Morrison's run? Richard Case was inadequate.
>>154254557People have already pointed out the problem with the right one, here >>154250442, it's the same fucking boring shit you'll see in another 100000 capeshit comics.The left page isn't good because it's "bizarre", it's good because it's fun. Also using the environment, in this situation a tire, is always good when writing battles because that's what makes them stand out. I am sorry you failed to comprehend that.
>>154248665I hope you aren't claiming that only person on this entire board is a fan of hulk.
>>154255848>wordswordswordsYeah sure fakeweeb. You keep coming back every summer with the same retarded argument that gets debunked because you're a fake weeb.
>>154255892>admits he is illiterate Of course, as expected. What does "fakeweeb" even mean btw? I don't want to move to japan so I ain't a weeb to begin with.
>>154243226Wagner drew better fights in Mage.
>>154250683>Essentially manga hires animators to do action while western comics hires illustrators.there is truth to this statement seeing OPs comparison, you can see how the paneling in the manga really shoes to flow of action really well compared to the green lantern comicthe manga artists know they're making a comic meanwhile the super hero comic artists are trying to cram everything into one panel like an illustration
>>154256152Manga can because of the format. Comics have to be a lot smarter about panel economy, but they're a lot dumber.
>>154245251And the rest of the action sequences in the film are still very well choreographed, including that one where that very scene takes placethat specific moment is putting a quick, snappy ending on a possible drawn out conflict as part of a larger sequence that serves both as humor and as character development/establishment to show what kind of hero Indy is.
