What is the appeal of Invincible? What makes it different from other capeshit?
>>154249742It has an ending.
>>154249742Start at volume 1, stay on the same title without missing anything important (for the most part), and it ends.
>>154249742It's got one writer (save for spin-offs) from start to end. Emphasis on the word end.
only superficial bullshit made by retards
>>154249742Nothing really. I do like the concept of going from black and white superhero to complex empire running. Just too much drama and cuckhold porn. Also the idea of a race of genocidal conquering retards learning how to be normal undercover is like the grown up version of Dexter's lab. Could do with less rape porn.
It's extra faggy.
>>154250027>for the most part
>>154251819I didn't bother with anything but the main title and didn't have a problem, but there definitely references to other books.
>>154249742>VIOLENCE>THIS ISN'T YOUR DAD'S SUPERHERO COMIC>GORE>WE'RE SO MUCH BETTER THAN OTHER SUPERHERO COMICS>BLOOD>WATCH AS WE DO THE SAME THING AS THEM BUT IT'S TOTALLY A JOKE>MORE VIOLENCE>UNIRONIC KEKOLDRY/NTR/CHEATING
>>154249752>>154250027>>154250103/thread
>>154249742its got a few things that make easier for capeshit haters to swallow. besides from the penciller changing early on the creative team is the same, there's only one title to keep up with and its spin offs and crossovers aren't required reading to understand the story, it has a ending, and add on the edge which gives it the this isnt your dads capeshit appeal even though that shits been going on since the 80s. so it doesn't have the normal barriers that bounce most retards off of capeshit.
>>154254222Not wanting to deal with a lotta extra bullshit does not make you a retard.
>>154251989I only read the first 7 issues in the trade, but it was just like a vanilla classic silver age comic with gore>WE'RE SO MUCH BETTER although it did give this vibe at times. More family oriented at first than I expected with his parents being supportive/dad training him.
>>154250257>less rape pornThis vexes me.
>>154249742Its gory and edgy instead of safe and predictable which tricks people into thinking that it is deeper than it actually is. Kinda the same reason why GoT originally became popular.
>>154249742Continuity.
>>154249742It's like a corrected version of Spider-Man in the 00s-10s. Skips the high school bullshit pretty fast while still putting the protagonist through the ringer, and he ends up happily ever after with the redhead forever at his side as he continues saving people. Still not very good, but it's better than most runs /co/ will gush about.
>>154254404If they animate mark getting force rode by anissa, this board will be a bitch to deal with for a week. Says nothing of Xitter which then have 8x more saars bleed over for more content to farm.
>>154249742It's just good and fun, which is unfortunately rare these days. It can be edgy without becoming reddit/Alan Moore. And there is no real underlying message, left or right. It's how media used to be.
>>154249742Accessibility and lengthContemporaries of Invincible ended far, FAR sooner Invincible isn't the best capeshit (even among non-Marvel/DC) but it's the one that's most easy to get intoInvincible being a beginning, middle, and end isn't ground breaking even amongst its niche but when your audience is unaware of those alternatives existing its gonna land an appeal But also yeah, Kirkman lucked out on getting Ottley and Walker
>>154256167>It can be edgy without becoming reddit/Alan MooreInstead it's a reddit version of an Alan Moore comic.>It's how media used to be.No. Even children's media had a message back in the day.
>>154256215>Kirkman lucked out on getting Ottley and Walker Do his works without either's collaboration not compare? Did they really play that much of a role in Invincible's success?
>>154256167>>154256215I think the main thing is that Kirkman is just a very good businessman.At least a better businessman than he is a writer.He sold the idea that Invincible is groundbreaking and deconstructive, but also he maintains a constant tone of looking at the camera and shading the lamp.
>>154249742it has a plot
>>154249742It's the only current capeshit cartoon at the moment. Literally just that
The only reason why I read Invincible from start to finish is that I could pick up Invinicible #1 and put it down at #144 and not miss shit outside of one mediocre crossover with Spiderman. I didn't need to go through two omnibuses, the middle of two difference comics, unrelated crossover comics and whatever the fuck else just to follow the plot line of Invincible Incorporated.
>>154257847I wouldn't say they're the primary reason but Astounding Wolf Man at the time didn't make a blip despite having similar dramatics, and Kirkman's currently doing some X-Men knockoff I don't see much interest in.
>>154249742Family drama.
>What makes it different from other capeshit?Nothing, really.
>>154255368Invincible is painfully predictable though.
>>154258479In case of cartoon, it's also an adult animated show that does not look like "An American Dad". Not the best artstyle, but still, it's not deliberately ugly like 100% of other adult cartoons. Also much less toiler humor, unlike other "adult" cartoons.The Legend of Vox Machina is another adult cartoon that does not look ugly and avoids pitfalls of other "adult" cartoons. There's some elements of toilet humor, tho.
>>154249742This, especially this >>154249752I don't need 20,000 remakes and re-imaginings of the same cape-slop over and over again. I can only give two shits about Green Lantern, Superman, Batman, or the X-men so many times. It should of ended already for those zombie IPs and the comics industry should of learned a lesson from their contemporaries overseas with manga and actually invested in other creators and not fucking over ANY creator they come into contact AND contract with.Invincible was good as a comic (fuck the show), the art was appealing, and that there is some fan service with the breeding shit and big tiddied space mantis, and again, it's a one off comic that ends. I don't need to know autistic excessive mega-lore to figure out the premise either.
The boom in popularity has nothing to do with the comic, so the ending is a moot point.People like it cause there's literally nothing else to watch for action cartoons, adult or not. It has an extremely secure niche.
>>154249742It isn't afraid to let the heroes lose. A lot of superhero stories feel like the good guys are never really in danger.
>>154249742not everything needs to be different, often you only need to "also" do somethingDC and Marvel are fine, but if you already those, what is next? Well, Invincible for example.Similar to Movies and Videogames, people always ask for something new to be special, when in reality it just needs to be the same as something that already exist. If Pokemon alone doesn't satisfy you, you got palworld. If Metroid alone doesn't satisfy you, you got an entire genre full of the same thing.
>>154258561Do you like Hellboy, then? It also have an end. Then after the end, there's also an end. Final, this time.
>>154249752That's pretty much what I was going to say. Beginning, middle, end. Its refreshing.
>>154249742Meta commentary on cape comics tropes
>>154249742There is no appeal and there's NOTHING different. It's just more slop.
>>154249752Fpbp
>>154258702NTA but yeah, labels other than Marvel and DC do have the appeal of being normal stories with a beginning and an end instead of going on forever and resetting and reimagining things over and overIt's one of the reasons people get into manga over Western comics too
>>154259833>>154258702doesn't mean shit if they're just as badly written, drawn, panneled and full of pozz. MEANS JACK SHIT. just a premature end ot the suffering.
he's Invincible!
>>154259876Manga has been more appealing over west-slop for a while. Even bad manga trumps bad west-slop/cape-slop. The problem is instead of west/cape-slop pivoting towards more wild-card artists or other creators, they instead just chose to politicize their media/comics further. >"Lets try some different artists and stories, and then give these new artists a chance with lucrative contracts instead of screwing them over">"Nah, lets just make it all rainbow, lgbtq and minority pride and churn that out"Now Disney and western comics are trying to "ape" the surface level style of anime and manga, and still missing the mark of the issue they keep having, which is telling a story instead of trying to preach to the audience or ham-fist some type of bullshit representation into the work.If someone had the means, they could probably kickstart a new comics industry that would EASILY overtake mainstream westoid comics.Then there's the added layer of webcomics too which has been it's own odd alternative comics media flow that's essentially devolved into just drama-porn webcomics for ladies, or just thinly veiled fetish shit with a plot. Which at least those still overtake western mainstream comics, because there's at least passion, drive, and some sliver of soul in the works, other than making thinly veiled propaganda pieces.
>>154249742I wouldn't say it's good, just that it's consistent and has an end. This is all
>>154260000Name one manga on going I should read over detective comics, go ahead, make my day
>>154249742At the start, it was realistic legacy superhero drama, then it turned into shonenkino, then it turned into shonenslop.>>154249752>>154250103>>154250027>too weak-minded to choose for themselves when a character's story endsVery hylic behavior
>>154260102No.
>>154258582What comics are you reading, I was always annoyed growing up at how often Superman and Batman would get ragdolled by various up and coming villains.
>>154260117>shonenkino, then it turned into shonenslop.all shounen are tripe for retarded morons
>>154260117Only weak-minded sheeple read endless superhero runs, and the coping kind think they can choose an ending.
>>154260268Not at all, Ashita no Joe is one of the best comics/manga I've ever read.
>>154249742>What makes it different from other capeshit?Well it's [TITLE CARD]
>>154261063I think he means battle shonen, which I think is worthwhile if you're the type of person that gets a kick out of cape comics.
>>154258170The first 50 or so issues are pretty damn good for an incredibly standard superhero comic. And then it meanders for no reason with endless new plots that seem more interested in shock value rather than meaningful storytelling.The main issue with the whole superhero genre in general is that it is really hard to make something that isnt derivative of either a marvel plot or a DC plot, those two universes have such a strangehold on the setting that its impossible to write superheros without it seeming like a parody of either DC or Marvel. Invincible had a good gimmick with 'what if my dad is evil superman' back when evil superman wasnt such a cliche but it never really wanders too far from its one gimmick.
>>154261173Oh and also like so many anons have pointed out, a lot of its mainstream appeal is that its basically a western shonen with the ol' realiable "aura farming moments" and "extremely basic power system of just punching each other in the face". Also Also, male protagonist in a clearly male led story about dudes punching each other with enough female characters and lack of heroic chauvinism to not alienate female audiences. Its just safe all around, men get their share of men punching each other and women are not put off by chauvinism so it kinda appeals to everyone.
Serious question: Why do you have such a strong dislike for manga? Please go into detail.
>>154261748I don't.
>>154261777Wasn't asking you.
>>154249742It's Kirkmanslop?Haven't read anything from that kid worth a shit. He goes into the pile with the Tom Kings and Ram Vs of the capeshit world.
>>154263484He's better than those two clowns. He's better than Johns too.
It's a comic for people who don't read comics who think they're clever for doing what they think are the subversions that comics actually already do.
>>154249742It's formulated more like anime, as in easy to hype, with enough violence and adult themes to make pseuds think it's mature storytelling and not a bare bones melting pot of comic and manga tropes and also easy to produce because the story has been done for a while
>>154249752I'm sure Amazon will put a stop to that. Enjoy being in spinoff hell like every other IP!
>>154249742Canon lolibaba.
>>154249742Can someone edit OP’s pic to make it look like Sonic?
>>154249742You wouldn’t understand UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF LOVE
>>154263553What's tragic is how someone can read tens of thousands of comics, but if they never bothered with Marvel or DC ongoings, they don't read comics. This is why nobody likes or respects you.
>>154254268it does when it leads to you reading shit like invincible
>>154265060KEK!
>>154265229It's a less retarded option than reading Batman Spider-Man.
>>154265205>someone can read tens of thousands>Never touch marvel or DCYeah okay. I doubt you even read this one.
>>154258262Sad!
>>154265810I wasn't talking about myself, and I was exaggerating for effect. I've read plenty of Marvel and DC, but there are too many comics out there for you to consider the comics medium a single genre.
>>154249742hhaha ,bald mark
>>154266758when he dies, i will piss on his grave. i promise him this.>>154264387sadly this. i despise kirkman but only because i understand his jewery.
>>154258262>>154266758Terminal will probably do wellIt appeals to people who buy comics and aren't perpetually online It's not gonna do Absolute numbers but hey, Invincible wasn't a top seller during its prime either
>>154268672Japs do it all the time. We should do it too so that our industry could flourish.
>>154268728i would not say that kirkman does the tropes well at any level at all, since he's a pozzed fat faggot, but even him just doing something vaguely resembling them had such success, even if it's undeserved. imagine if US creators could fully lean into based archetypcal shonen storytelling. it would indeed flourish. but alas Jews exist.
>>154249752>>154250027>>154250103Ending is also good.
>>154260117>>too weak-minded to choose for themselves when a character's story ends>Very hylic behaviorI don get it, 99% of fiction has a endings. Why is it suddenly an issue if Cape stories do?
>>154249752Oh fuck, I never even thought about that. I just chose to ignore certain properties after awhile. Mr freeze has been dead for decades and everything else has been some cosplayer to me.
>>154268743>shonen storytelling>basedNow I know you're a fake weeb. Go back to roblox or some shit.
>>154269683>Go back to robloxAre you calling me a pedophile?
>>154269661>99% of fiction has a endings.You need to read more fiction because it most certainly DOES NOT. Comics are originally more meant to be like the old pulps. You're meant to focus on the stories themselves. Not some far off never ending conclusion. Conan doesn't have an ending. It's not meant to end as a franchise. But each individual story does have an ending. Queen of the Black Coast ends. The Hour of the Dragon has an Ending. But these aren't the end of the character. Like wise cape characters have endings to their stories. Each story in the comic ends. Saying all fiction has an ending is not only an asinine statement in regards to how fiction work but it's bluntly shows you don't even know what an ending actually is.Frankly my big question is when and why did everyone suddenly become so obsessed with endings. It's like most people are more interested in finished their media than they are actually enjoying it. Comic and cape readers don't want an ending because they enjoy the continuing adventures. If all you care about is an ending then maybe you shouldn't even be enjoying things at all.
>>154270301>omic and cape readers don't want an ending because they enjoy the continuing adventures.Bullshit. Most capeshit fans with which I've talked prefer retro cape comics made before the 00s with a few exceptions so the industry didn't need to keep going it could have just ended. Also a lot of beloved comics that you can see in a bookshop like watchmen and all star superman are self-contained. >You need to read more fiction because it most certainly DOES NOTNow I don't know how accurate that anon's number is but right now as I am writing this, tens of people are writing their own books that will not be a never ending franchise since most of them will never get popular to begin with. Most books aren't pulps that's for sure.
>>154270373>Most capeshit fans with which I've talked prefer retro cape comics made before the 00s with a few exceptions so the industry didn't need to keep going it could have just ended.Cape shit comics from back then weren't about to end any more then they are now. >Also a lot of beloved comics that you can see in a bookshop like watchmen and all star superman are self-contained. And they're the exceptions. Main Line Superman was still going. Batman was still going. Spidey and the Avengers and every other main line cape was going>tens of people are writing their own books that will not be a never ending franchise since most of them will never get popular to begin with. And everyone else is looking to IP farm. >Most books aren't pulps that's for sure.You give any one of those authors a contract and they'll keep putting out material for as long as they can get away with. They're not pulp but that doesn't make them high brow either.
>>154249742The rape.
>>154261063We both know when people talk about Shonen, they’re not talking about Ashita no Joe, Fist of the North Star, or any of the other amazing Shonen series. They think about reprehensible dogshit, like My Hero Academia, or JJK.
>>154263494He isn’t.
>>154264733Who is also worst girl, a cheater, and fucked a black man.
>>154270301>Conan doesn't have an ending.Hour of the Dragon is the last chronological story Howard wrote and the jumping off point. Conan as a character starts off as a barbarian and then becomes a king. This is nothing like Marvel/DC where the characters are eternally treading their wheels and constantly resetting the status quo. Peter Parker becomes Spider-Man and that's it for the character, even if some runs can be good the character has been treading water for literal decades. He is not going anywhere, Marvel editorial will not even let him keep his marriage. >But these aren't the end of the character.Most endings don't kill off the character, a lot of them will even imply that their are more adventures afterwards (Invincible for example). Even Wheel of Time, did not freeze the world, when the story ended. It was not the end of the characters themselves. >Comic and cape readers don't want an endingActually, considering comic sales collapsed following One More Day, they at least want to pretend that the character is actually going somewhere.
>>154249752WOBBLEvincinble and MHA are the only capeshit stuff in recent memories to have a ending
Is there seriously a version of Mark that just masturbates while screaming at the top of his lungs?
>>154249742Saturday morning cartoon, but "mature"
>>154249742Absolutely nothing. It even has crossovers with other comics.
>>154270635How many more episodes 'til we get it?
>>154270672He isn't?
>>154249742Someone said it best that it is the quintessential superhero comic book. It's not that it's "different" from other capeshit, sort of the opposite actually. It has all the big comic tropes packaged into one serialized narrative.If you want to get into superhero comics but can't get into the continuity baggage that comes with Marvel/DC then Invincible is perfect for that.
>>154270672>>154272359He is.
>>154273964He isn’t.
>>154271407>Conan as a character starts off as a barbarian and then becomes a king.To the reader Conan starts off as a King. The Phoenix on the Sword, the first story, was about KING Conan.
>>154249742is autistic, just how people like them.
>>154270301>Conan doesn't have an ending.Didn't the original author kill himself?
>>154249742He's durable
>>154249742It feels like the logical endgame of DC comics edginess
>>154269683>be positive about anime>you're a fake weeb?
>>154249742At first it was cool because it was like a slice of life Superman story with a cool twist in Omni man being evil.But then it devolves into a cuck fetish show and the plot goes nowhere and the big bad enemy faction ends up being completely pathetic and incompetent and they also totally fuck up the power scaling. Plus the terrible female characters and the Mc who worships them.
>>154275749>To the reader Conan starts off as a King.Yes and most of his stories take place before that point. Conan goes somewhere as a character, he has an end point, an actual overarching arc and point to his narrative. This is just nothing like how Marvel/DC do it, Spider-Man, Batman, Hulk, etc cannot do what Conan does. Honestly, the best comparison would be someone like Thor who has become the king of Asgard multiple times. The status quo just keeps on being reset.
>>154249752exacly.
>>154249752ding ding
>>154270301I liked the idea of the ending they had for the continuation novels where conn becomes king and and conan explores the Americas but the execution was pretty mediocre because the new evil Aztecs they introduced weren't really any different from any of the other baddies Conan had fought up to that point. It was definitely a more optimistic ending than Conan fighting and maybe dying in fantasy ww1 which is what howard had envisioned in hyborian age.
>>154249742Lots of vapid relationship drama. Same reason breaking bad and wwe is successful.
>>154249742>What is the appeal of Invincible? What makes it different from other capeshit?Spiderman, but he actually does what he needs to do, with a dose of power fantasy thrown in, and none of that "i'm a super genius" crap which breaks spiderman's character.
>>154272588https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J6_NCoh8tY
>>154280581>Conan goes somewhere as a character,The story doesn't go AND THEN CONAN SAT DOWN ON HIS THROWN FOREVER CONTENT! He was a rework of King Kull who didn't have an ending and REH probably would have done more Conan stories if he didn't die so young. Nobody is reading this and going YEP THAT'S THE ENDING. They're going Gee I wonder what the next story is.
>>154249742>>154249752/thread
>>154270301>You need to read more fiction because it most certainly DOES NOTThe average fictional story isn't a pulp story like conan. Most stories have a very specific premise with a very specific conflict taking place in a very specific amount of time, usually following a limited number of characters. Sure, it can work for Conan the Barbarian, but it can't work for, say, 1984 or the road or Ulysses. Most stories are built around a premise that can't really be stretched beyond a single book, let alone several. >Frankly my big question is when and why did everyone suddenly become so obsessed with endings. It's like most people are more interested in finished their media than they are actually enjoying itEndings are arguably the most important part of a story. Stories are usually questions about a certain premise or problem, and the ending is the answer to that. Can X get the girl? Can Y escape from the law? Can Z solve the family drama crisis? The ending is the answer to that and can set the tone of how something is remembered. That's why we don't like spoilers for a stories ending, it's also why plot twists tend to happen at the end of the story, because it can frame how we view the rest of the entire story. Being a continuous story has its own risks. It usually assumes that the writer can keep their same quality of writing perpetually, or that if the writer dies there won't be a quality change when the new writer comes on, but we all know that isn't true vast majority of the time. You don't want a situation where the number of bad entries out numbers the number of good entries and then it's the good part of the franchise and nostalgia for it that does the heavy lifting so that writers can keep pumping out bad stories in the same setting. I think the focus on endings is largely because people are starting to develop I wouldn't say franchise fatigue, but they are starting to get a bit drowsy.
>>154270301>If all you care about is an ending then maybe you shouldn't even be enjoying things at all.This is legitimately insane and an enlightening look into fanboy mentality. These works are no longer narratives to be enjoyed and appreciated, it's a motherfucking religion. That's why they're so belligerent when you criticize their favorite media.
>>154288688>Endings are arguably the most important part of a story.No, the story is the most important part of the story. It matters a lot when Frodo reaches the top of Mt Doom but it won't matter nearly as much if it weren't for the Mines of Moria, if not for the Ride of Rohirim, if not for the Entmoot, if not for Sam fighting Shelob, etc etc. the ending is an important cap but you're not even going to reach that far if the story sucks.
>>154249742Invincible is highly satanic because it has DEMONS and HOMERSEXUALS
>>154249742I look like this mixed with >>154287248This
>>154287248Invincible soundtrack SLAPS
>>154258026coulda fooled me
>>154291778What did her pussy look like
>>154260144But they don't lose like Mark does who literally nearly dies or gets comatose into a visceral way.
>>154259801But it's got r rated murder and sex though
>>154292749teeth
>>154257847>>154258262IIRC Kirkman said Ottley was gonna do Noble Causes but something happened and ended up doing Invincible instead
>>154249752ending of what?
my big complaint is near the end where they swap back and forth from Cory Walker and Ryan Ottley
>>154291778I never saw this. Is this a spinoff?
>>154249742It insists upon itself.
>>154269680It's more noticeable with Mr Freeze because his concept is so specific around one story, but its all of Capeshit, like how is it not blindingly obvious unless you're younger than 30
>>154270301Yeah the problem with the 'timeless archetypical myth character' argument is that those kinds of characters arent managed by soulless bean counter ghouls beholden to corporate shareholders demanding to be pleased by earnings reports decade after decadeIn other words they have to be public domain in order to not get irrevocably run into the ground
>>154249742>Hello, I am Vincible.
>>154298539Hi vincible
>>154250103This. A lot of indie darlings have great starts but either run out of steam (e.g. Nexus, Saga) or just get really fucking weird in an unpleasant way (best example is Cerebus)
>>154298673That's why stories should have planned endings.
>>154296989Was that actually mean pretentious?
>>154249742Invincible is a fusion between capeshits and shonenshits. And the fusion takes both it's fusee good parts and rejects the shitty parts.Mainly : >>154249752 and many others : Invincible is a complete story, where Marks goes from a teenager to a hundred years or so parent / grandparents. It has an issue One and a Final Issue.
>>154257889Woody Allen said 90% of success is showing up and Kirkman is living proof
