>Fuck you Mom I do what I want
>>154262136I bet Abel has severe mommy issues Lute has absolutely no idea about.
Inb4 Lute is not Eve after all.
>>154262471I bet the twists about Abel and Lute will be they are not related to Adam at all. And Lute is going to slowly realize this when she notices how different Abel is from his own siblings.
>>154262493>Matpat detected
>>154262136She was sick of his ass on earth. She's sick of his shit now - yes, Lute is Eve.
>>154262463Why doesn't he mention her at least once?
>>154262646He hasn’t seen her for thousands of years.
>>154262657So?
Ladies, ladies PLEASE. You are ALL off your meds.
>>154262493No Lute is not a hellborn demon and Abel is not Eve and Lucifer's affair child who is a bloodthirsty psychopath. christ write a story for fucks sake
>>154262676agreed. let's talk about what really matters, which is adam's luscious milkers.
>>154262676Even Lute?
"It would've been better if I were anybody else" ---- the fuck is this supposed to mean? Does he like her?
>>154262704Lute is always off her meds. Her voice actor said she needs at least three therapists
>>154262706He wishes he had the titanium pussy his mother has
Did anyone notice Lute and Abel have the same bangs? And they're the same height?
>>154262706>It would've been better if I were anybody elseHe wishes he was Cain
>>154262706Better question is why does he ask what Adam would done?He already knows what he would done, let everyone die and kick charlie in the cooch for good measure before going back to heaven
>>154262760I mean that much is obvious. It's his dad. He looked up to his dad. Not hard. Him wanting to be like Lute is out of left field.
>>154262742He wants to be like Lute.
>>154262760Because Abel’s mom is a bigger bitch than Lute and Adam is the only one who protected him from her.
>>154262136I wish Abel was bi. He’d make such a sexy bottom for demon D.
>>154262737I don't really know about the bangs, but eye bags and the same wings, which are also Adam's, just in monochrome. The Exorcist girl she abused had a tooth gap like Abel.
>>154262706>Cain is the favorite sonIdiotic subversion by Viv>>154262471This and she ends up fucking Abel. Not because I care but because it would be really funny to see mass seethe
>>154262795Nah, Lute is Eve. Lute isn't some corrupted Roo thing that hated Adam.
>>154262810.... what masses? There are not lute Eve enthusiasts. That's just a select few.
>>154262810>Cain is the favorite sonHe could be referring to Seth, who is basically a clone of Adam.
>>154262810i think it's gonna be one of those 'cain thinks abel is the favourite'/'abel thinks cain is the favourite' situations. and the correct answer is actually that seth is the favourite.
>>154262838>Implying Viv remembers Seth Lol. Lmao even.>>154262829Lute is Eve schizos crying would be funny but I meant guitarspear and holygates shippers mass suicide. The latter would be glorious.
>>154262846We know Adam had many favorite kids, not just one. Viv confirmed that in a panel. Abel was not one of the favorites.
>>154262847Aren't you the guy that thinks Zestial is Cain? Lmao
>>154262872Yeah. He has a hate boner for the Lute Eve thing because it's actually possible, also the va endorsed the theory herself.
Charlie will get fat for Gluttony is a comparatively harmless sin.
>matpat just had to bring his psychosis away from /hhg/>Now everyone keeps shit flinging "you're matpat" on /co/
>>154262906He has very specific takes that really nobody else has. He singles himself out constantly.
I find it funny that Abel was not among the favored children. I think it's supposed to be an inverse to the general interpretation that he was favored by God. I'm betting he was the runt of the litter, and the only cowardly one. Of course, Adam and Eve are pissed that they're least favorite child is the one that made it to heaven.
>>154262921abelism, you hate to see it.
>>154262906Whatever. I want to fatten up Alastor.
>>154262906>Matpat getting mad for people constantly pointing him outYou ain't slick dude
Big fat Lutecuddles
>>154263063Cuddling with fatty Lute would be bliss.
>>154263096Gross. Go away.
>>154263063
>>154262921Adam had multiple favorites. With him I expect Abel to actually have a different ranking altogether that is above “favorite” because Abel seems to be the key reason why Adam became a musician like golden angel.And Eve plainly just hates Abel because of… the dad. And that’s a clue to her being disguised as Lilith. Because she hates Charlie for the same exact reason.
>>154263133Glorious big belly Adam!!! The holy gut!
>>154263142Viv literally said he is not a favorite child of Adam's. At all. No special category.
>>154263142No mat pat. He is not Adam's 'mostbprecious son' or whatever you went on about. Lute is Eve.
>>154263208And who does Adam resemble the most? Winners aren’t based on who they hate.
Matpat thinks he's half angel.
>>154263226Literally thinks he's a Nephilim
>>154263222 Nice fanfiction. Viv already confirmed he was not one of Adam's favorites. The word of the author beats headcanons.
>>154263142>With him I expect Abel to actually have a different ranking altogether that is above “favorite” because Abel seems to be the key reason why Adam became a musician like golden angel.>Headcanon Alert
>>154263154Made for being spoiled
>>154263011All of these twinks should get fat. It's tiresome to see the same skinny body over and over again. Does she not know how to draw or what.
>>154262829Don't worry about it. He's coping.
>>154263222.... Are you suggesting Adam's physical form and features changed upon ascending? Are you stupid?
>>154263337Yes. Just like the other winners. If a winner likes dogs they become a dog.
Did this mfer really just ask why a father looks like his son. I could take the religious schizo stuff, but this? We are so far gone
>>154263133>>154263286>you will never lie down on adam's comfortable stomach for a mid-afternoon nap on a breezy summer daywhy fucking live
>>154263154
>>154263381I knew he was crazy, I didn't know he was legitimately stupid.
More maskless Adam merch
>>154263289Agreed. They’re so scrawny. FATTEN them up.>>154263286Imagine them all feeding him.
Sex with Sera.
>>154263421The lesbian side of Sera.
>>154263432Secret lesbian sex, very sneaky but lustful.
>>154263381Adam wouldn’t be able to know of Abel’s wings to inherent them if Abel didn’t have them back on earth. For some reason, that is a desire of his soul.
>>154263516>Headcanon alert
>>154263516Abel is not a nephilim you backwards ass redneck.
>>154263521Lute doesn’t consider Gluttony a sin. It’s so gorgeous when Adam overeats..,..and she gets to help him do it.
>>154263579It's her primordial human brain. Fat = good provider and safety.
>>154263613It's that Eve brain
>>154263454Straight sex, actually.
>>154263569Why are you so offended of Adam treating the mistake of Eve and Lucifer as his most begotten son? Shouldn’t you be happy his form changed to who he loves the most instead of something more on the surface as the other winners? It’s a love so grand that it will shake up anyone that sees it. Just as Adam and Lute did.
>>154263613>>154263625Helps that Adam flaunts what a gluttonous pig he is, making her sweat and crave feeding him more.
Not this guy again. >Zestial is not Cain>Abel is not secretly vengeful or a half angel hybrid >Eve is not an evil entity who rivals Lilith herselfAm I missing anything
>Be me>Watch HH pilot years ago>Hear that Vivzie ditched her VAs for "industry professionals">Fast forward to recently>Youtube autocues and plays a video essay on HH while my hands are too busy to change it>Hear the new voices>Tasteless, forgettable garbage>You just wasted your time reading someone's irrelevant opinionGameoverse also had SAF AFTRA involved and most voice acting in it was mid.
>>154263681>Headcanon Alert
>>154263748I ignore him. So Adam knows Lute wants him fatter so he frequently lets her see his gut.
>>154263779There’s few very good things in Hazbin Hotel. Vivziepop isn’t even sober for most of it.
>>154263829God Vox is begging for a big binge. He’s so needy.
>>154263779Watch the Adam and Lute parts since they weren't even in the pilot. They're the reason most of us are watching anyway.
>>154263521i want to press my face into it and go BLBLBLBLBLLBLB
>>154263917Do you ever ask why your eyes are fascinated by them?
>>154263684I can't believe he invited Charlie for an important meeting just to eat a whole plate of ribs and make her watch.
Out of all the characters, which one needs to get fatter? My vote is Husk
>>154264012Every single guy with fragile peacock legs
>>154264012Adam
>>154262760In sense on how he would handle Lute, I guess.
>>154264012Lillith.Rosie.That purple hound woman.Charlie.
>>154264054charlie should impregnate adam.
Rate the s1 songs.
>>154264089Adam should impregnate Charlie while Lute watches.
>>154264115Cringe
>>154264139It's okay. Lute would be very supportive from the chair.
>>154264115Based
>>154264005He does like to make Charlie get horny.>>154264012Every major character who is annoyingly scrawny.
>>154264115adam and charlie can be switches with each other ig
>Makes all your favourites have a suitably healthy BMI
Alastor and Lucifer are way too scrawny. They need 5,000 sandwiches!
>>154264287I only laughed at the squidward
>>154264233so fun fact i plugged in a base estimate of adam's weight and height (269cm and 180kg (borrowed from a guestimate of the average pro strongman) and he actually just barely scrapes a healthy bmi, like 0.2 off being slightly overweight. good for him!
>Use the first heterosexual couple in biblical existence>Turn the man into an insane violent stupid misogynist who dies a pathetic death >Turn the woman into an insane raging violent homophobe who bases her entire existence around the man and is clearly manipulated by him into becoming the mess she is>Make Lucifer and his family the good guysTruly a new layer of subversion. I thought Gooseworx had climbed to unreachable heights with Jax but Viv is looking to usurp her. Indie animators are truly pushing the limits. I almost respect it.
>>154264351If you can't tell we as the audience are supposed to feel bad for Adam and especially Lute despite their many flaws you might be retarded
>>154264348Adam does not have a strongman build. His arms and shoulders are slender, his weight is concentrated at his gut.
>>154264393i was more thinking 'extremely large but physically capable human' as a reference point rather than thinking about the specific fat distribution.
>>154264351Still waiting for the lightsaber duel parody between Gooseworx and Viviezop.“You have the script. And I see your cringe is as big as mine!”
>>154264351What
>>154264351Who gives a fuck about Adam. Homophobe? If you're talking about Lute, there is zero evidence that she's homophobic, and people who use her comment against Vaggie and Charlie as proof are genuinely bent in the head
Notice: certain members of the fandom don't know what subversion of tropes or satire are
>>154264746>Who gives a fuck about Adam.Lute cares so fucking much, there were some episodes about it
>>154264351>Turn the man into an insane violent stupid misogynist who dies a pathetic deathCope Adam fag
>>154264819Which is we deserve Sinner Adam.
>>154264819I meant the audience, but okay I'll take your cheeky ass comment. Fair enough.Of course he's important to her. He got fridged. Especially when it's revealed. She's Eve, he's literally the fridged husband.
>>154264843Sinner Adam is so fucking retarded. How edgy.
Adam fags gets so pissed when they realize that Adam was not important like that. His narrative role is over. He fulfilled his purpose. He's done. It's all about Lute/Eve and Abel. He's not coming back.
>>154264843which kind? there's three distinct flavours. - adam thrives in hell and becomes the worst overlord ever- adam redeems himself as per the show's morals, may or may not ever go back to heaven - adam gets sexslaved by lucifer but then falls in love with him so it's fine actually (so fucking boring)
>>154264393No, Adam is a fat nasty fuck. That's the point. But everyone copes by drawing him with a dad body, a strong man body, etc. Motherfucker was a twink just like Lucifer and then let himself go
I will never understand fans of Adam who hate Lute and fans of Lute who hate Adam
>>154264916The worst Overlord as in a really bad one or as a really good one?
>>154264924fujos vs lesbians is a fandom tale as old as time
>>154264916Second version. He and Lute fall in love, and become the first Angel/Demon couple that isn’t fallen.
>>154264924That's a really weird one. But they exist. The lesbian Lute truthers are one of the loudest. But Adam fans hate her for similar reasons, because it gets in the way of their Lucifer and Adam ship, and they try and make it more of a father daughter Bond, or just get rid of her all together.
So, thoughts on Abel getting into a polycule with Emily and Lute?
>>154264918Fat Adam is hottest Adam.
>>154264937a really good overlord in that he's good at being an overlord, author's choice as to him being some benevolent order bringer with a harem or a nightmare tyrant also with a harem.
>>154264960That's his mom. So that's out. In all seriousness, assuming she's not Eve.. Maybe? Lute doesn't seem like she'd go for something like that.
>>154262136Nice to see somebody made a new thread. Couldn't make one cuz I got banned.
I just realized... Viv liked that one post with Milhouse and his dad, but it was with Lute and Abel. He calls her weekend mom because Adam is now dead, can't take care of him anymore. And she has to learn to be a mom again. If I recall, in that episode, Millhouse's parents got a divorce, so he got Milhouse during the weekend... Good shit, good shit
>>154264972Maybe he forms a pro-Heaven demon cult, I.e Reverse Goths.
So why is Adam all about rock and roll when, rock and roll is Lucifer's/ the devil's music? Did they fuck? And then Viv said that Adam, Abel and Lute all have good rock voices, that's their genre in different periods of time. If Lute is Eve, that means that Eden humans are rock and roll? So.. Did Lucifer influence them, did he fuck them? Did he make them? What the hell is happening
>>154264973You say that like Emily is giving her a choice.
>>154265026Sera's VA Said that if she could, Sera would totally rock out and shred. I'm assuming it's an angel /heaven thing? So maybe it just carried on over to the first humans?
>>154265000Years after that episode Milhouse's parents got remarried in like 2007, a clever nod to how Guitarspear will be endgame
>>154263748Apparently he reported me and got me banned for pointing out his NTR fetish.
>>154264924Because those are not fans but Yuri/Yaoi slop addicts that want their shitty ships fulfilled even if it's OOC. Don't bother with them since that are not real fans.
>>154265164The Lute fans Who hate Adams say she's a closeted lesbian who is raped or groomed by Adam himself, and she wants Baggie / Charlie / the Exorcists.The Adam fans who hate Lute say he sees her as nothing more than a daughter-like figure at best, that she's too young for him, or that he's generally indifferent towards her. He also wants to be raped by Lucifer and Vox. They also insist. He's actually super tragic and sympathetic, that he was actually trying to do the right thing with the exterminations (he wasn't) and that he's the equivalent to a little kid. That sound about right?
>>154265050Now I want to see art of Sera with a rock guitar.
>>154265201You are on the money with Lute fans who hate Adam. Adam fans who hate Lute think she's significantly morally worse than him even though they mostly do the same things and paint her as a self important stalker type who Adam thinks of as an annoyance and a tool at best. I see this take most among adamsapple and flowertunes (which is why a Lute!Eve reveal would cause acute psychic damage among the latter group).
>>154265274That's another reason why I want to see it come to fruition myself. It would destroy those shitty takes.
>>154265274>Flowertunes shippers create their own idealized vision of how a woman should behave while dismissing the feelings and actions of the woman actually on screenThere'a something poetic about that.
>>154265320Literally though. If you did ring up the mere suggestion that Lute is Eve, it's blasphemy. How dare you? Eve is a sweetheart. She would never treat her son that way. She's a good person who was blamed and silenced (we see this happening in real time with Lute)Right. Progressive. Perfect victim, Is what it's called, right?
>>154265347This fandom is psychotic levels of hypocritical so it is to be expected. The reactions would be hilarious to watch.
The idea of Adam going to Eve having come up with the exterminations to get back at Lucifer and Lilith.. that is so peak. Of course Lute is grieving. They had a plan. Now he's gone and she has to carry the plan on her own. "I've still got a job to do my mission is incomplete," and her va said "I'mm here to finish what I started" has huge significance for her....Yeah I'm pretty sure it's not a secret or anything. It's going to be the same shit like when Niffty revealed she was an Overlord (?) It'll be a shock to us, but it's not a secret in heaven
>>154265347They want Eve to be bad in the sense that she glows and has scary tentacles but they don't want her to DO anything bad, gosh.
>>154265423Yeah I'm confused? Like, they want her to be this ethereal feminine goddess, have maybe a scary aesthetic, be angry and upset, rightfully so of course, at being blamed, at being silenced.. But Lute, who is going through the same shit, literally the same shit, being Eve is crazy talk lol Is it because she actually does bad shit? So they want Eve to just give off the impression she does bad shit but actually really likes animals and is super kind to her kids? Got it. It's funny because they give Adam a pass. I'm assuming because he's a man? The irony
You know in hindsight, it actually is pretty funny how the fandom perceives both if in fact she is Eve. Because they both feel the same exact way towards sinners, they take the same actions, but for Adam, it's okay. But when it's Eve, it's not. Very interesting
>>154265423It's depends. They are the innocent Eve believers ( which is headcanon central and has no on-screen proof) and the Roo=Eve that want her to be evil but in a mastermind way( we are going to ignore wife swap Eve because it's not that popular and fuck you MatPat). Lute= Eve works in the sense that you could see the woman devolving into this after all this time. She's not well mentally and it's understandable.
>>154265274that's a shame bc as both a flowertunes and guitarspear shipper i'd love the drama of it all. >>154265458i think the idea is they want eve to not be emotionally attached to or motivated by the loss of adam at all, because they don't like adam. if she genuinely loves this guy they personally can't stand, and the narrative point is not 'she was wrong to love adam and she's better off without him and she can settle down with that nice girl vaggi/emily/etc instead', it wrecks the self-insert power fantasy.
>>154265487I'm going to get woke for a second on 4thchan of all places but... It's misogyny/sexism. That's really all it is. A female villain can only be so much evil. She can cry and grieve over her injustices, she may WANT may actually do bad things, but she doesn't go through with it all the way, or she does it in a way that you can tell it's remorseful. But if she is sadistic, if she enjoys being bad, she goes off the deep end, it's because the writers are being sexist, because how dare they portray a woman like that. That. No no, they have to be the perfect victim. Because Lute has shown to enjoy slaughter for fun, and because she treats Abel like crap, she can't be a mom. That's just unimaginable. That's not real. Therefore her being Eve is blasphemous. It's all sorts of fucked up.
>>154265487Most of the fandom heavily shits on Adam for wanting Exterminations. The only ones that defend him also try to spare Lute some flack.
>>154265543As they should because even if he is sympathetic, which I do think he is, he was not right for the exterminations.
>>154265458And this is crazy because Eve is not a goddess! Never hazbin. Her defining trait is being a human being who made a mistake.
>>154265518>it wrecks the self-insert power fantasy.How are they going to take one of the most submissive, dependent, man. Loving biblical figure, and be upset at the idea that she would be utterly devoted and loyal to the man she was created for? It doesn't make sense. They try to impose this Lilith agenda on her, and in that case... Just fangirl over Lilith? It's Adam and Eve.... Adam and Eve! Hello! If anyone is going to be obsessed with the guy, it's going to be Eve!!But then it's funny because they don't want her pining for him, you know, his bone, what she was literally made for.. But they want him to pine over her.
A lot of the fanmade Eves seem to be conflated with some kind of Greco-Roman goddess or nymph figure
>>154265593Man fuck that. Give me the obsessive freaky girlfriend who stalks him everywhere. We already have a need no man Miss Independent character: LILITH. That's literally her whole thing! Let Eve be the obsessive girlfriend. Of course she's going to lose her shit when Adam dies
>>154265550It's kinda debatable since Exterminations are so fucking glossed over. Like the fact the numbers are ridiculously small and the supposed 7 year timeframe. They really explained what should have been left ambiguous and didn't bother with the important shit.
>>154265593Which is fucking weird. She's Eve.
>>154265609The number of centers that died have nothing to do with the fact that he was wrong. It's really that simple. It's also implied by Sera and Sam Haft that the exterminations were retributive Justice specifically. Sam also stated that both Lute and Adam believed this. In the show, Lute subtly implies that she had input regarding the exterminations. They just wanted to get back at Lilith and Lucifer. That's it. It wasn't for some greater good cause. And even if it was, it would be for that one first occasion when Lilith attacked. But they kept at it. To pretend that ALL the sinners in Viv's hell are just the rapists and the Epstein Island people, is retarded because the show makes it clear they're not. People go down in hell for stupid shit.
>>154265584no, no, they're self-inserting as vaggi/emily in this scenario. the power fantasy is both 'i've saved this perfect woman from the horrible Man who doesn't deserve her' and 'hehehe i have seduced the most womanly wo to ever man'.
>>154265648Cringeeeeee. That's even worse
>>154265631Isn't the Genesis Eden story indeed based off of some Greek myth that has a similar elements, like the tree and the forbidden fruit? I forget what it's called
>>154265652Yup.
>>154265652it's also misogynistic bc it reduces eve's worth as a partner to them if she genuinely enjoyed sex with adam, so they have to pretend he assaulted her to make her 'good' to them again.
>Lute is always covered in blood>Eve is a rib pulled from Adam's chest>In folklore Eve was cursed with menstruation and painful childbirth after taking the apple>"Someone's menstruating"
>>154265716Oh shit..... I actually didn't make the connection with the menstruating bit. Also:>Second woman>Second wife>Second in command
>>154265724Of course any woman can menstruate but when Bible Adam (From The Bible) says it then you go hmmm
I'll be honest, as someone who's not even invested in the heaven characters. This shit is really obvious, right? I don't know about you but if my favorite character had this much convenient little coincidences AND the voice actor re-quoted the theory.. I think I'd be losing my marbles
>>154265674You might be thinking of Hades and Persephone (and the pomegranite) but no there's no real connection between that story and Eden. Come to think of it there's are Sinner Adams and fan Eves who would fit Hades and Persephone way better than Adam and Eve. It's a nice story in its own right but it's not this story.
>>154265760It's obvious to us but you have to remember much of the fandom will see only what they want. Chaggie is kinda toxic? Not to the Yurifags and Charlie stans. Lucifer is objectively fucking awful? Apparently not according to his fans. Vox and Alastor look like fucking lame idiots? Nope they are awesome and somehow will end up together. Is Lilith obviously going to be a bad mom? How dare you propose that a woman cannot be perfect.
>>154265840No, no I could have sworn there was a different story that had similar elements. It had the garden, I remember that... Who knows, it might not even be Greek. But yeah, regardless, they're trying to make it into something that it's not
>>154265855Yep, this is right on the money. I have a friend who watches this stuff less than I do and even they were like, 'yeah that's definitely Eve. They're making it obvious' and that's without him knowing what the Lute Eve schizos know. It's also very simplistic writing? It's pretty straightforward I think
>>154265863The Pandora myth? I know some ancient Mesopotamia myths have some elements in common with the Garden of Eden story.
>>154265026Maybe a homage to Christian rock.
>>154265891I wonder if Viv is pleased about how few viewers have figured it out
>>154265855yeah you have to remember you're dealing with a fandom that had to be scolded for harassing valentino's voice actor for the crime of being a voice actor for a villain. projection runs abound.
The fandom expects Naruto worth levels of story building and individual character., things that take 30 plus episode single seasons All crammed into eight episodes, half of which said episodes are filled with songs. The answers are going to be a lot more straightforward than whatever elaborate, complex conspiracy theories are crafting.
>>154265924Jessica Vosk in an interview did say that Lute's Arc is something that even she was not expecting, that Jaws will drop, and that fans may not catch it, and then she backtracked and said that maybe those with really keen eyes will. I genuinely believe, honest to goodness, that if this is really happening, then she done fucked up with the tweet. Because nobody is actually expecting it even WITH the tweet. If this ends up being true, hats off to Viv.
>>154265931Oh God I almost forgot about that shit. That's so fucking embarrassing
>>154265966She relied on the most trustworthy writing trick of all: Knowing that her audience (including her female audience) would ignore and downplay a female character expressing uncomfortable emotions onscreen
>>154266011Classic Viv.
>>154266031>>154266011It also helps that nobody asks about Lute, and even less about Eve, So Viv never gets the chance to potentially spoil something about her. I do think people are catching on now, and they're starting to realize oh shit, this may be happening, but because everyone is still invested in the old hearsay leaks, nobody wants to believe it. So that also ironically may have worked out in viv's favor. It's the perfect distraction.
>>154266011I'll add to this that part of it is absolutely that the love and grief that's eating Lute up inside is heterosexual, and for a man who certain audiences would dismiss as a 'gross white man' to boot, and due to this certain types of viewers who would otherwise be interested in this kind of complex female villain dismiss her
>>154266011Not going to lie, that's kind of a genius move
>>154266057This. Exactly this. Because then they have to confront the fact that their precious favorite not only endorses what this horrible man does, she does it out of her own volition, as in she's not groomed or forced into it, it's genuine love, meaning she's just as bad as he is. And they're both heterosexual/cis/wight to boot. Lmao ouch
>>154266091White. Not wight lol...
Fandom queers will take any woman character that has a short haircut with a tough abrasive personality and call her a Butch lesbian, huh?
>>154266107Well Lute is a lot paler. Almost like a ghost so you're not entirely wrong.
>>154266050she's liked a bunch of real cute flowertunes art on bluesky recently, so i wonder if she's gonna start slooowly easing people into the idea that adam and eve genuinely loved each other.
>>154266123She's a white woman with albinism.
>>154266091These people have no idea how sexist and infantilizing it is to call Lute's feelings the product of grooming, or claim that she's just confused because she's a closet lesbian or whatever else. Women who love men deeply, who are pushed to hideous grief by the loss of their men, absolutely exist and their feelings are real and meaningful and not wrong or confused
>>154266119They do that shit even with the straightest looking guy ever ( see Adam).
>>154266131I noticed that too. That caught my attention because, that Eve is blonde and everything. Exactly what people expect her to look like. Wouldn't that be giving away some serious spoilers? But yes, I do think they definitely loved each other. Looks like those were the vibes. Something about her liking Eve's stuff when season 3 is the next one that's scheduled definitely makes me think we're getting the eve reveal next season.
>Cain is found on Earth in the next season>Lute tries to convince him to lead a crusade against Hell for Adam's death>Charlie throws glitter on him and gives him the same redemption pitch she used on Adam, thinking Cain could be a poster boy for her idea>Vaggie keeps telling him she doesn't trust him, thinking he's just like his Dad>Angel Dust keeps trying to fuck him, but Cain keeps reiterating that he finds his kind (Italian-Americans) repulsive >Nifty keeps leaving him rat statues (he doesn't throw them out) >Abel is terrified and keeps thinking Cain wants to double kill him>Emily throws glitter on him and keeps giving him sweets even though he's reminded her several times that all food turns to ash in his mouth>IMP keeps breaking through his door and windows trying to kill him in new ways>Blitzo and Stolas keep fucking in his bed>Moxxie and Millie keep fucking in his bed>Loona keeps vomiting in his bed and eating the sweets Emily brings him>Agent One keeps asking Cain if him and Two seem like a couple, when she's not around to overhear him ask that question>The Cherubs who were kicked out of Heaven stay at his place, claiming it goes towards his redemption>Stella comes over to his place to vent about how much she hates Stolas and Imps>After catching Stolas and Blitzo fucking in his bed, he finds he hates Stolas and Imps too>He has to constantly tell all the characters in the Hellaverse that he doesn't care about whatever it is they're doing, he just wants to be left alone>He has a soft spot for Octavia and eventually comes to view her as a daughter
That particular artist also has Eve being Roo. I know Viv has liked one or two EveRoo posts. Is it safe to say that Eve = Roo?
>>154266180Viv has plenty of AdamsApple in her likes but she just confirmed Adam is straight.
>>154266180A couple of things to note with that: A former employee did confirm that Roo is in fact just another white woman, probably design wise. But also that Roo and Eve are separate characters, not the same. So I can't help but wonder if we're going to get Lute/Eve and Roo collaborating. Especially if she's liking those types of posts. Maybe ,,, maybe not! I mean she doesn't have any support, she can't make her Army do something unauthorized by Abel or Heaven. Where else can she turn to? She's going to need some serious help
>>154266198Oh yeah... You're absolutely right. I forgot about that.
>>154262798He'd be in hell then
>>154266154You’re thinking way too small.Lilith Eve was established as a twist dependent on not knowing what Eve even looked like till the twist is unveiled.
>>154266326Nah. Lilith Eve was never a thing. Unless you mean as a red herring? Sure. Lute is Eve. It's pretty obvious
I bet Lute!Eve was cute as fuck in Eden. I can picture her hyping Adam up and being in awe of him as he tells her what he named all the animals. And fixing up his busted self esteem after Lilith left. Imagine how suprised he is when Eve actually cuddles up to him at the end of the day (Lilith never did that). It finally makes him feel like the special man all the angels told him he was supposed to be.
>>154266421Fuck. Yes.
I like how the fandom acts like the Lilith/ Eve/Rosie is the most profound twist ever when it's the most basic ass normie shit. What next? Fallen Angel Emily? Charlie becoming Roo?? No wait! Eve being Roo!!11 lmao
>>154266350I don’t think the curtain is going to pull to reveal a white woman and a white man wirh Lute and Abel. That’s what everyone is expecting, a normal white dysfunctional family with a normal white dude, his white wife, and his dumb white son . But the moment the curtains are pulled open… you’re getting horrific monsters instead. They were never human to begin with. And their human costumes to fit in with Adam are ripped to shreds.The exact opposite of what happened in season 1 when Adam’s mask was broken.
>>154266496>What next?Adam is Roo
>>154266594>Headcanon Alert
>>154266604NIFFTY IS EVE
>>154266594>They were never human to begin with. And their human costumes to fit in with Adam are ripped to shreds.You're not slick matpat
>>154266594No, Lute Is not a hellborn demon No, Abel is not the half hybrid affair child of Eve and Lucifer This is so unimaginative. Get a new bit dude.
Fuck kind of moron thinks Abel is Lucifer and Eve's kid??
>>154266782It’s right there in your face. Sera, the queen of secret keeping, accidentally spilled a jar of beans by pointing to Adam instead of Abel as the first human soul in heaven.
>>154266873>Headcanon Alert
Anyway. I can't wait for Lute Eve. It's going to make the fandom collectively lose it it's shit in so many different ways.
Do they look like murderous monsters to you?
New schizo theory timeAbel is actually Adam and Lilith’s son. She raped him and then 9 months later dropped the kid off with Adam cause she’s the First Deadbeat Mom. It’s why Adam is so torn about how he feels about Abel, on one hand as the First Father he does love all his kids, but every time he looks at Abel with his blonde hair like his mother Adam is reminded of the assault so he says Abel isn’t one of his favorite kids.
>>154267007I thought about this for a time, except that Lilith only came to heaven 7 years ago. So unless she came to heaven before then? Unless you're basing it off that one old text where Adam has an affair with Lilith after the death of Abel, except switching it around a little bit?
>>154267007>>154267023I actually think Abel’s and Charlie’s existences come down ultimately to Lilith’s baby fever needs.
Before I jumped in on the Lute being Eve bandwagon, I kind of thought she was either Cain's wife or Cain herself. Something ironic about the wife of the first murderer becoming the lieutenant for the Exorcist Army. But then.. literally everything else happened so that's off the table! Unless she has some serious daddy issues...
>>154266896I will say, if it does become a thing, that'll be like the one twist Viv was able to pull off successfully. Her fandom is too stupid to think outside the box besides muh Lilith Eve evil twins, Lute Is not a super popular character that people would care either way, and it's been there the entire time In front of everyone's faces
>>154267292Lute will be so much bigger the moment she is revealed to not be Eve.
>>154267410You keep thinking that buddy.
>>154267410>Lute will be so much bigger the moment she is revealed to be Eve.There you go, fixed your typo! You're welcome.
It's the fact that her voice actor is the biggest hype person for this theory and you can tell she's been trying not to spoil it with every time she talks about Lute and her mental health. Assuming this is true, she's been knowing about this because it's Lutes driving motivator as a character and for her development.It's pretty fucking great, not going to lie.
>>154267570desu If this is true, then a lot of the weird shit she says in her interviews make sense. Because she -does- know.
>>154262493>And Lute is going to slowly realize this when she notices how different Abel is from his own siblings
>>154267570Right, like Amir knowing that Rosie owned Alastor's soul ,,
>>154267570I wouldn’t say thatVosk’s interviews about Lute is actually in the theme of “she isn’t who you think she is”. And Eve is the big assumption of who Lute is to a majority of watchers because of the expectations.A similar thing is going on with Abel. It’s normally expected for Cain to literally be the Devil’s son and for Abel to be Adam’s first biological true son. And there’s already signs this is getting flipped to be the other way around.It’s only people like me, if the leaks never happened, that take a pause and look around who realizes The Lilith we see is off and those off details helps her to look more like Charlie than the original Lilith did. With straighter hair. The little black and round nose.
>>154267913>And Eve is the big assumption of who Lute is to a majority of watchers because of the expectations.That is completely untrue. 110% extremely untrue. This was not a popular theory at all, not even when she requoted the theory. The theory of Lute being Eve is as popular as Lute/Abel is as a ship. The biggest contenders for Eve are Roo or the "Lilith in Heaven" (it's just Lilith).For the 100th time matpat: No, Abel is not Eve and Lucifer's love child. He is not a half Angel hybrid. Lute Is not a hellborn demon.
>>154267913>The little black and round nose.Jesus fucking Christ, it was explained to you why your arguments are shit. And yet you still go on about them. No, the nose needs nothing. The Lilith we have seen is just Lilith. Point blank. You're looking into things that are not there. Lilith is Lilith.
I'm only rooting for the Eve being Lute theory just to see schizo crazies like matpat lose their shit.
>>154268218Her alternate ego?I prefer she's her daughter. But honestly, any relationship will do. Sisters? Mother and daughter? Alter ego? Stepmother? Surrogate? Yes please
>>154268043You were in the lakes of those Lilith Eve supporters and thought you were in the ocean. They’re just a small crowd within a majority of crowds thinking the idea is so dumb it couldn’t be true.Seriously. You’ve looped yourself into a bizarre complex of those who barely can even think and thought it was something bright and bold. But you couldn’t even bother filling the cracks of Abel’s bizarre existence. Because it alone showcases a massive flaw. Lute doesn’t realize Adam being the first human soul in heaven should be classified information because she is that ignorant about the implications.
>>154266131Is it this artist's stuff or has she liked more?
>>154268287Kk Matpat
>>154268307She has liked a lot more recently, like today and yesterday. This particular artist also headcanons Roo being Eve.
>>154268324NTA. I personally view Roo as a corrupt substance within Eve that when Eve is defeated, it rises up to be a villain in seasons 4 and 5.
>>154268287Is Matpat pretending that everyone believes in Lute being Eve...? That's hilarious. He's actually pretending that Lute Bring Eve theory has been the most popular, as if the Lilith Eve theory isn't fanon, along with Roo Eve LMAO all in an effort to make it seem like Lilith Eve would be this amazing twist...
>>154268361I don't think it's a Joker/Tim or a Eddie/Venom situation, but I do think she can get in her head. I fully believe that Lute's (AKA Eve) hallucinations of Adam Roo's doing.
>>154268363Lol as if Lilith/Rosie Eve/Roo/Evil twin has not been a staple in the fandom ever since the show began...
>>154268324You tell me that and don't post?
>>154268446Just look up Blue sky likes viewer, and you'll get a couple of results. Then just put in vivs profile and see for yourself
>>154268401It's one of the most nothing Burger twists. Remember when everyone thought Lucifer was Alastor?
>>154268483How about no
>>154268518Okay. Then just do nothing....? Don't know what you're asking me to post for.
>>154268363I’m saying Lute being Eve was supposed to be the expected twist for more casual viewers of the show and I honestly haven’t seen anyone else consider Lute having a completely different origin from that. They don’t really pay attention much to the hair differences Eve and Lute clearly have, the other exorcists, etc. They also accepted everything Abel at face-value like you do because they overlooked season 1’s subtle set up of him not being human.
>>154268530For the last time. Abel is not a half angel hybrid. He's not a red flag. Lute Is not a hellborn demon. Go write fanfiction or something.
>>154268379I think Lilith is using a spell on Lute . When Adam appears it’s from a purple environment. And Lilith is also supposed to manipulate Lucifer in season 3. Like maybe when Lilith puts on those horns and sings, to Lute she’ll look like Adam.
>>154267570Not going to lie, this is pretty cool.
>>154268401For some reason, I suspect just how hard the shill for faggots and the like who have a much larger percentage of self absorbed narcists, HH has always had a very shitty fanon. Going back to the very beginning, they take characters they know basically nothing about and gush over them and come up with batshit insane baseless 'theories' that people gush over and forget are baseless fanon theories and then base more fanon off that and so on and so on until they think they have these deep understanding of characters that had like two minutes of screen time and no spoken dialogue.
>>154268551Then why isn’t Abel the first human soul in heaven instead?
>>154268588Exactly. And they act shocked when their hcs aren't true. That's why people are going to lose their shit if it turns out lute is in fact Eve. They've already made their minds long ago that Eve is either Roo or a shape-shifting doppelganger disguising herself as Lilith when nothing suggests that.
>>154268591Because Vizzie never actually read the stories her universe is based on.
>>154268616That’s a poor excuse
>>154268616Just because something is based on/inspired by doesn't mean it's a 1x1. It doesn't have to match every single little thing. She was probably just inspired and put in surface level things. That's completely okay.
>>154268591Because he died first presumably. You literally spun a whole conspiracy theory about Abel being some bloodthirsty psychopath half Angel hybrid. Jesus fuck there is no helping you.
>>154268658From what? Roo? Cain?
>>154268632>>154268646Sure, but don't bitch about the shit she gets 'wrong' and then bitch when someone points out why.
>>154268670The fuck do I look like to you, a goddamn writer? I know exactly what you know: that that Adam was the first human soul in heaven. That's all the audience knows. Everything else after that that you add is pure fanfiction. I am working with what we saw.
>>154268681I wasn't bitching about her getting anything wrong? You're talking to the other guy. I was literally explaining why it wouldn't even be wrong in the first place. She's not making a carbon copy of the Bible. Lilith is right fucking there. Of course it's not a retelling..
>>154268691No, that's what happened with Adam actually. Went out like a little piece of shit too.
>>154268693Okay. So Adam dying before Abel makes no sense. Why make a suggesting like this? Adam breed more kids after Abel died.
>>154268729I am not a writer on the show. Neither are you. We don't know. It's as simple as that. Just as you can say, something extremely outlandish, saying that Abel is a product of Eve and Lucifer's affair (?) I can say that until Adam died, no human souls ever ascended or descended. Could have been stuck in a purgatory/ limbo-like state, frozen in time, until they accepted Adam, and then they started accepting souls. But that's baseless right now. We don't know anything. That's the fucking point.
>>154268729Nta but if Adam had kids before Abel and Cain, and some texts do suggest this, then they're just wouldn't be a need for Adam. The kids would grow up and marry each other and make more kids. Two girls, two boys is more than enough to do the job. Hell, even one boy and one girl. It's not hard. The fact that you don't like that explanation is a different discussion, not anyone else's problem.
>>154268753Are you a woman?Like for real. Lucifier said and displayed what he offered to Eve with humps and Adam didn’t at all take it lightly. He actually did that. So whenever I Abel in heaven, the human soul line, and what Lucifer did, it is really clear to me Abel was spawned from that. And there is no absurd event of Adam before Abel and instead a time Adam lost his inhuman Abel and spent the rest of his life longing for him.
>>154268819>Are you a woman?Lmaooo and then you act all retarded wondering why nobody wants to talk with you or engage in discussion.
>>154268829So you are?
>>154265716Hol' up thoooo
>>154265525Yep. It's extremely fucked up,
>>154268836Matpat what the fuck is wrong with you. Stop being weird with people.
>>154268864Ehhh it's w/e. He gets weird when people don't agree with his fanfiction stuff. His take is the only valid take according to him, so he throws a fit. When people don't agree. Just let him talk.
>>154265518Being a fan of both, this would also make things so much easier for me. Because then I have to wonder what Lute things of his ex-wives. It makes a lot of sense if she is one of the ex-wives LOL. The angst! The drama! It's so good.
>>154265487Sexism
>>154264884Oh absolutely. They really think he's going to come back to life.
>>154265525No. It’s just that with Lute, I don’t think she ever had any experiences being a mom or a wife and instead is just abiding by a rule book and expectations on what her Exorcist race is supposed to be. And because Abel is thrown into the job of the Exorcist race, Lute wants him to fit into it and expects Adam to have the same mindset as her.Lilith Eve does that have kind of evil to expect from an evil Eve and uses her experiences and purpose as an help mate to manipulate and destroy entire societies.
>>154268914>Headcanon Alert
>>154265525Yeah 100% agreed. People are very close-minded.
>>154265525>Lilith Eve>Literally a key example of how Eve could be twisted up and evil in a much more bad mom way
>>154268904He already is
>>154267570P E A K
Oh yeah, her va has been knew
Season 4 is a civil war between Lucifer and Satan.
>>154269206I'm rooting for Satan, he's got a cooler design and badass singing voice.
>>154269808They're both mid
>Adam appears at the end of season 3>He decides to break open all of the secrets Sera stored up to Heaven >Chaos ensues
>>154269808same
>>154269824adam saying 'your wife still came crawling back to me in the end!' as his final words before getting stabbed would've been so peak for fucking with both lucifer and charlie. i've seen some theories that lucifer has known where lilith is the whole time and that's part of the reason he's so awkward with charlie, but whether he knows or not it'd still fuck with charlie immensely.
>>154269921Unless it was never Adam who made a deal with Lilith in the first place but Lute (Eve)
>>154269963I personally get the impression Adam didn't even know Lilith was in Heaven. Why the hell did he not brag about it once? It seems out of character for him. I think the deal was with Sera, desu. When Viv was asked if Abel inherits the deal, she went on a tangent on how deals are made and how Lute doesn't have the authority to command Lilith... I wouldn't be surprised if Adam didn't know shit.
>>154269974>and how Lute doesn't have the authority to command Lilith...Interesting. In what way? It seems like Lilith was going along with her until Sera shut it down. It would be interesting if in a weird way Lilith respects her more than Sera does.
I could see Lilith having a soft spot for Eve and maybe even harbouring some guilt for what she and Lucifer did to her years ago
>>154270001Q: When Adam dies, is the is the arrangement then passed on to Lute? And if so, does Abel now kind of hold the power in that deal?A: That's a good question. I mean, it was one of those things where well, firstly, the way deals work in my universe is you kind of have to see them shake on it. So, technically, she was just giving an order. Lute was giving an order. So, in this season, we see that Sera kind of spoils that. Sarah's kind of just like, "You can't do that. You can't tell her what to do. You can't tell him what to do. You can't do that."https://youtu.be/Hfc7InvBevk?t=3655She doesn't even answer the question, which she generally tends to do when she's actively trying not to spoil stuff.
>>154270025I don't think the deal was with Lute/Eve being that her and Lilith didn't shake on anything. Me theorizing that the deal was not with Adam is irrelevant. For all intents and purposes, the deal was between Adam and Lilith - I personally don't buy it, but that's just me. How are you going to tell me this asshole wasn't milking that shit?
>>154270025Ooh interesting so it seems Lute wasn't making a deal then. Has Lute ever even made a deal if she doesn't seem to know how they work
>>154270045Nobody ever implied she made a deal in the first place. That's kind of a given, per her "Now I'm in charge."
Why are angels like this?
>>154270332
The Adam Apparition reminds me a lot about the uncanny features going on with “Lilith”.With how overly intense those two tend to be with purple. The brightest and lightest objects they had (Adam’s halo, the pearl necklace) are completely absent or replaced with a sharp and black object to imply this is a more demon-like Adam, fallen angel, and this is a more cold and sharp Lilith. And they’re presented to be far less loving to Lute and Lucifer in that Lute’s love is mocked and the apparition further convinces Lute Adam hates Abel and looks down on him, and Lucifer says he and Charlie doesn’t even matter to Lilith anymore.It really feels like we are seeing the same force/being pretending to be two different people it knows.
>>154270566>Lucifer says he and Charlie doesn’t even matter to Lilith anymore.Nope, she said: "She was ALWAYS so good at this. Staying calm, being the voice of the people. Being the center of attention with everyone looking to her, to follow her. Ignoring meaningless things. And people."Lilith didn't change out of the blue. She was always this way. The Lilith Eve doppleganger shit has zero evidence.
>>154270180Because even those who created reality need to have hobbies
>>154270566>Headcanon Alert
>>154262706It's his mom.
>>154262798I think Abel was made straight because if he were anything else, people would bitch/moan that Lute and Adam hate him because he's gay.
You know if Lute is Eve then that means the gene that makes you want to cut your hair in a fuckass bob lay dormant for thousands of generations before reemerging in Alastor. The gene that makes you roll around in blood too. He got a heavy dose of recessive Lute genes. Ahh, beautiful
>>154271505.... and the gene that makes you hide your emotions out of fear of weakness... and the gene that makes you easily suckered in by Roo entities....
>Radiostatic has Alastor be desired by someone who inherited Adam's Edenic looks and self obsessed ego>Radioapple is Lucifer going for the grandson because he couldn't get great grandmama to stick aroundOh no no no no no
>>154271696Hence why Staticapple is the superior ship
Lute interacting with Alastor and having a moment where she realizes this nasty smelly thing reminds her of herself would be amusing.
>>154262136>Mildly convinced I accidentally found Lute Eve schizo's social media Probably not but there's this same ravenous insistance
>>154264012Husk is already at the liver failure stage
>>154272543Not only is it definitely her but the url has even been posted here before. Nobody cares
>>154271696>Radioapple is Lucifer going for the grandson because he couldn't get great grandmama to stick aroundYou're confusing Lilith with Eve
>>154262136This show is highly satanic because it has DEMONS and HOMERSEXUALS
Alastor has been mentioned and dissed. What's our reaction fujosisters?>As someone smarter than the Radio Demon’s scriptwriter said(me):>You are never fully dressed without your smile.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zmcEuocbSMAPH0Cdu0neR7qOYrOad6dB_PXEnPRM24Y/edit?tab=t.0
>>154272671https://x.com/Lute__CEO>Self proclaimed queer 30 year old latinaWait it's this? I was right?
>>154272795Yes obviously, it's the exact same talking points that come up here.
>>154272795I don't blame her for coming here to sperg about her theory. Twitter users are vicious about this shit
>>154272815I expect someone like this on bluesky, not 4chan. How many gay women are in this thread? Is the HB thread the male dominated one?
>>154262136i wish there was a plot twist revealing Adam was a victm of brainwashing or corrupt with some mind control power making act the way he was in the show, because i feel like theres no reason for a guy like him to act like that
>>154272903I don't know how you weren't clued in that a thread of people jilling off to Adam might have women in it?
>>154272903>Is the HB thread the male dominated one?Yes and this has always been the case everywhere on 4chan. Helluva skews male, Hazbin skews female as a general rule.
>>154272903>yaoi show popular with womenNo way
>>154272903Wait, you didn’t know?That’s comedy dude!
>>154272892Twitter users are pretty dumb as a rock
>>154272892They have positive reception from what I can tell. I think this is the only Lute Eve that's not talking out of their ass. I'll take this over whatever the fuck the Zestial Caine guy is on
>>154272903Wait, you thought Hazbin's main demographic was males?
>>154270025She barely answered the first question
>>154272671I think matpat tried to drop a nuke last time with the URL as a sort of gotcha. nobody gives a shit
>>154270180Probably because Sera made them. Now that she's been revealed to be a lesbian, it all makes sense.
What was Adam doing before the exterminations? I don't think he was an army commander this whole time.
>>154273929I simply put down the details the characters said and saw where those waves led to. Abel alone isn’t an issue of evidence, it’s the acceptance of what he is from that evidence. And it’s a context so important that it’s tied to Adam’s character design as a winner and will be a huge factor in how Cain will be formed as a Sinner. Speaking of which. Zestial has the Abel and head exorcist elements but what I always forget to mention is that he does share very similar aesthetics with the Lilith that takes on Eve’s form in the shadows. With the top hat and clothes being of an all black aesthetic. He’s also green which is a complimentary color to Lilith’s purples.If those two are Eve and Cain then it would make a lot sense why Zestial went with a manipulation tactic similar to Lilith’s by acting as Carmilla’s partner. If there is anyone who would have known the true value of these weapons, it would be someone in Lilith’s circle.
>>154274038It was someone else. I’m pretty sure it’s an incel tactic by some banana butt sticker. They have this obsession with doxing to try to silence people.
>>154274119Nobody cares mat
>>154274140I know who it was and I can tell you for a fact it's nothing to do with being a woman or the Lute = Eve theory, they were just annoyed that she wouldn't disengage from Matpat and filled the thread with pointless feuding.
>>154274119this is why people like the Eve being Lute schizo better. ur arguments are so ass and literally nobody asked you to elaborate. ,, read the room
>>154274119>Headcanon Alert
>>154274197matpat's got white knights then? that's funny
>>154274232No, they were also the person who dropped matpat's twitter.
>>154274197I implied he was gay.
>>154274197The feuding is at least funny 2 read. better then the porn and Adam having milky leaky tits or whatever the previous threads have gone on about
They say half-shadow on a character’s face can indicate a fracture in or dual identity.
>>154274248Okay. He’s definitely one of those pathetic kiwi farms users.
>>154274117Probably just playing music. He played for gigs with his band.
>>154274249Oh no. The insult of the century. How would someone be able to handle that.
>>154262136These threads have basically just become "Lute is Eve theorists shit on MatPat" threads.And that's a good thing.
>>154274269Shut the fuck up magic man. You ain't slick matpat. You could at least word your tweets differently.
>>154274295I'll take two more. Let's add some different theories for variety tho
>>154274321>Let's add some different theories for variety thoVaggie and Sera totally fucked in the past while Adam watched with popcorn.
>>154274295It's a funny thing.
>>154274289Seems like it worked well on you
>>154274370Who is you? The fuck are you talking about.
>>154270779I think they still accuse him of that anyway.
weird they would include Adam for Pride merch, of all things, but not the Father's Day merch.
erm can we talk about Adam's fat leaky milky tits please?
Abel eating out Lute for hours then mating press her, yes or no?
>>154274481You misspelled Emily into Lute somehow
>>154274481Mommy sub?
>>154270779Abel is straight because he’s secretly just as much as a rule and justice thumper as Adam and Lute.
>>154274309It’s Lilith Eve kinda obvious?
>>154274477>Adam milk to pair with my Adam cereal
>>154274488No, Emily had her turn already.
>>154263000AbsoLutely checked
Abel’s halo is actually a crown and all seraphims wear crown halos.
>>154263421>made for being sexually bullied by Charlie
The absolute state of /heaven/
>>154263997No, as I already know why.
Are these threads /heaven/ or /hco/ or something else?
>>154274634Yes
>>154264112You Didn't KnowHell Is ForeverFinaleLoser, BabyMore Than AnythingPoisonHappy Day in HellStayed GoneWelcome to HeavenReady for ThisIt Starts with SorryMore Than Anything (Reprise)RespectlessOut for LoveWhatever It Takes
>>154274634It kinda has to be because the other anons cannot control themselves after being in trash for so long
>>154274477Buddy that's Madam.
>DramasOh no. We're becoming a real general.
>>154274752Unlike the trash general
>>154274785>>154274634/trash/ had /hbg/ (heavenly boys general) which is basically what this thread is except it's Hazbin only and not multiple angel characters from other fandoms
>For the season, Lilith tells Charlie Lute is Eve>Cue final battle>Charlie says she knows Lute’s secret>Lute does expose herself. It turns out to be so much worse. It’s definitely not Eve.>Abel is inspired and decides to show off his true form too. He feels so happy in having a mom that is actually like him.
>>154274321i remember a fan theory for a little while was that alastor was eve for some reason. i'd be down for adam mating pressing alastor.>>154274477bite or no bite? pink or brown nipples? wide or small areolas?
>Lute does expose herself. It turns out to be so much worse. It’s definitely not Eve.dang, he's rlly pissy abt this huh
>>154274864I remember a time when people thought Alastor was Roo
>>154274832>Headcanon Alert
>>154262810>Idiotic subversion by VivName me ONE subversion she did that was not idiotic.
>>154275099Wouldn’t Alastor be Roo’s son?
>>154275172my expectations bc i expected this series to be completely shit but all the music is good and guitarspear is excellent and i guess charlie's a cutie too.
>>154275202In zoophobia wasn't she his girlfriend at first and then they changed it?
>>154275093Yupppp. He never talked about it before from what I can tell.
What's the weirdest takes on Satan you've ever seen?
>>154275248Actually no. I’m directly referencing the post because it reads like a false plot twist that turns into a much more bizarre plot twist >Lute is Eve>But… it’s definitely not truePlus, Charlie is spending the whole season trying to please a mother that is meant to be Eve in disguise.
>>154275377That he has a fling with his little psychiatrist coach imp... thing
>>154275377Of course a Sonic fan did this.
>>154275389>Plus, Charlie is spending the whole season trying to please a mother that is meant to be Eve in disguise>Headcanon Alert
>>154275409yeahhhh ,, ngl the severe autistic coping is actually pretty funny. as if people's first thought isn't that Lilith and the Eve silhouette are the same lol
>>154275377Hazbin Hotel is going to be on my top list because in a weird way, Lucifer being bad in such a casual normie-tier fashion is somehow more horrifying than him being an actual mastermind of corruption.
>>154275422It isn’t. That’s for people that pay closer attention to them because Eve only shows up on one scene in the opening before it moves on to the rest of the show. By then, they would have forgotten what Eve looked like.
>>154275422Yeah, when it's literally the one of two popular theories on who Eve even is, the other being Roo. He's trying to change the agenda and make it seem like nobody has been suspecting this since season one airee. It's severe mega coping lmao
>>154275527trying to make it seem like Lilith/Eve theory as this obscure thing, as if it has not been everyone's first guess season 1, trying to make it the same as Eve/Lute, in an attempt to paint it as this unexpected twist is ,,,, new.>>154275234My conspiracy theory is that Alastor was probably a half demon, in his human life. Something to do with Roo. Hence why Rosie was so interested in him.
>>154275527>>154275575To me Lilith Eve is SomaLute Eve is DannyIt’s arguing against what is popular in the niche theory circles and trying to make a plot twist that breaks it despite failing to disprove the initial details of them>SOMA points out the building is abandoned and has no space or bodies of the circus cast in it>Lilith Eve points out to scenes where Lilith’s appearance is shown to heavily resemble Eve and not Lilith in the slightest, and have incorrect details of Lilith’s design that helps to make her look like Charlie.
>>154275652lilith isn't Eve. Lutes va already gave away the spoiler.
>>154275575It's because the Lute Eve thing has stuff going for it, And people are starting to realize that now. Hence the panic. The Lilith stuff was always fanon. Season 3 is going to break a lot of headcanons.
Who's the big bad next season? It's Alastor. Right?
>>154275652>Digital sloppus
>The Amazing Digital Circus>Plot twist: A character is trans>Hazbin Hotel>Plot twist: A character is a straight Christian figure from the BibleOne like = 1 prayer
>>154275692Lute’s VA only acted hype about Lute identity twists in 2024. Afterwards, no.She was just hyped up because there were people making assumptions about Lute being Eve in disguise since the debut of Lute’s reveal. But the overall idea lacks in-universe support when you swim a couple more inches in the water and notice a character that does resemble Eve a lot more. That is a critical issue and context people have seemed to miss.
>>154275713I can't wait to see people spergs out no matter what ends up being true or not. People like matpat are coping very hard rofl
which vee is most likely to be redeemed/fester in hell forever/die permanently? and in the case of the latter, who gets the killing blow?
>>154275739I’m guessing Rosie and Alastor, and Lilith and Zestial are supposed to parallel each other. With Lilith’s and Zestial’s team initially being the “good guys” because they are the only characters to associate with redemption. And Alastor and Rosie being seen as invaders to never trust.
>>154265855Yep! Exactly what's happening now. It's just one of those things that is really obvious, it's in your face but because are married to their headcanons and fanon - Lilith being an evil Eve, Roo being Eve, etc etc, they lose their shit when they realize it's all wrong. Vivienne is on her own wavelength
>>154275861Val for redemption.Vel for dying.Vox being off as another Alastor.
>>154275908I hate how accurate this is though
>>154275861None of them will be redeemed or killed off because they'll have a slice of life comedy spinoff
>>154275929It does make sense. Val would be inspired by Angel’s redemption. Vel is all about the clout and that has a short shelf life. Vox preserves the past with modern advances.
Does Viv have the balls to show Velvette being a lesbian sex pest?
>>154276088We can only hope
>>154275814Nope. She's Eve. It's p obvious
>>154265855>>154275885I think a subconscious idea people have about Lilith Eve that would get them attached to it in a fanon way is this idea.Eve could be the perfect wife and mother if she simply wanted to. Better than Lilith and Lute ever could. And instead purposely acts as a bad mother for the most petty reasons possible Charlie has nothing to do with besides being Lucifer’s daughter.Like imagine if we see Abel’s other siblings and notice how better off they are from Charlie and Abel. And it’s ultimately because they were weren’t conceived by Lucifer that Eve didn’t stunted them into being little kids by her hatred. So despite Eve bitching about the lack of choices she had, the hypocrite takes it out on her literal biological kids simply for being fathered by the wrong man. For circumstances they should have no blame for.
>>154276222>Abel is not an affair child or a nephilim>Eve is not an evil shapeshifter disguising herself as Lilith>Zestial isn't Caine>Abel isn't a red flag>Lute is not a hellborn demon>You are not half angelTake your meds.
>>154276222>Headcanon Alert
>Rosie pushes Charlie for war>Progresses>Charlie when mom is involved>Little girl
>>154276491Sometimes your parents are pieces of shit. That's just how it is.
Eve being some sort of twin that's disguising herself as Lilith would be so ass. Because then everything that Lilith does wrong is just Eve. And then if they mutually agreed to switch, and Rosie is Lilith, she still looks like a fucked up mom. Lilith just being the Lilith we've seen so far, yeah she's probably a bad mom but at least she'll be able to learn.. God. People are so uncreative
>>154276516I am honestly horrified on what even happened with Abel. By the way he acts it’s clear Adam hang out with him but he has these severe mommy issues that gets him to look at Lute of all things as a substitute.
>>154276630It’s not uncreative. It’s a deal with the devil twilight zone shenanigans. The problem is how long it’s being dragged out.
>>154276634Lute is his mom.
>>154276666Quads of truth.
>>154276665Aren't you the creep that was asking someone just a little while ago if they're a woman because, according to you, they were misreading a scene?God you're fucking retarded and disgusting
>>154276666Don't bother. He's in serious denial about it. He doesn't want it to be a thing. He's been coping pretty hard.
>>154276696Yeahhhh, he was throwing a fit the other day about it. It's pretty funny
>>154276666I doubt it. Lilith’s pattern with Charlie fits in more with Abel than Lute does with the Exorcists. And Abel wouldn’t be progressing as a character if the same Eve keeps on turning him into a little boy.
>>154276680I normally hang out in female spaces all of the time. You think I wouldn’t notice?
>>154276802>Creep Alert
>>154276708Lol see what i mean
>>154276744Cuuuute
Why does it surprise anyone that the religious schizophrenic who thinks he's an angel is also an incel? I feel like that just kind of comes with the territory. just stop talking to him.
>>154276744
>>154276852I hang out with girls more than men because the men can’t bother to not keep their porn folders down.
POW
>>154277106He was going to fucking kill her here if Lucifer didn't intervene. How would he do it? Crush her neck? Vaporize her?
>>154277131Like a true wife beater. Crush the neck. That's kind of what it looked like anyway.
>>154277106him using the injured arm specifically is such a weird but effective flex. but it is always a mark of warrior respect to use your full power against an opponent using their own full power.
>>154264351>Gooseworx>herYou're no true chud.
>Season 4 comes>It’s family again because Alastor is dragged into the family by Lilith
>>154277887oh no why is he sad in the first panel :(
>>154277925Eve’s absence
So will they reveal Lute's deal in season 3 or will they cuck us again and make us wait for season 4
Sitaradawn on X put it better than I could:“ Lute is Eve theory is that it allows the audience to get to know Eve as an individual without the baggage her name carries. It lets us see her for who she is first & foremost.”I can get behind that angle. It’s not ‘x was running around, pretending to be Y all this time’. It wouldn’t make Lute a different character, rather it would just explain Eve better because that’s who she used to be.
>>154278254I'm definitely thinking it's going to be season 3. I think she will be a main baddie in season 4.If you want to go by the hearsay leaks, Eve does her thing, and then is forgiven by Charlie with some My Little Pony friendship song, and then after we get Roo revealed as the big bad of the entire story. So if gold is Lute which is season 4, and then Red is Roo is season 5, then that potentially lines up. Reveal = season 3Villain era = season 4Roo = season 5Of course that is not factoring in the V's and all that other stuff with Al
>>154278296Sitaradawn writes some cracking pornography.
>>154278296Fucking thank you. People treat it as an identity switch. It just explains who she is, and how she got here. What's very interesting is that Amir, of all fucking people, expressed interest in her backstory. Amir has said in the past that he doesn't spoil himself or read the entire script, just his parts. Of course he's in the know if it involves other characters. That's another reason why that caught my interest. So Lute and Al interactions in the future maybe?
Didn't Vivianne say that she's going to get her **authentic conclusion** later? That is sneaky talk for, 'this character is pretty important', ,,, and people still think she is just a henchwoman? Agent Stone and Doctor Eggman? Lmao
>>154278405Because people are hellbent on wanting the Lilith clone to be Eve, and not the qualified candidate. But you know. Got to be patient and all that.
>>154278333>So Lute and Al interactions in the future maybe?Al will taunt her about someone like him being her descendant a la >>154271505>>154272202
Hell, it makes all the more sense why the narrative is pairing her up with Abel of all characters.Because he’s going to be one of the only active characters with the personal history and emotional investment with Eve who can at least try to get through to her.(Lute!Eve holds her hand to Abel’s face, almost tenderly)“Oh, Abel… you’re no Cain.”
>>154278496It's more than obvious why they're being set up as a Duo. And then with him saying that it'd be better if her were like "anyone else" while her image reflects in his eyes? That's pretty blatant because he has been conveying that he wants to be tough like his dad, that he's not as brave as his brothers, and then ,,, Lute?It's because she's Eve LOL. The entire family was probably aggressive and headstrong. And he was probably the runt of the litter. Always soft and shit.
>>154278297There'll be a MLP friendship song and there'll be a group hug with Lute and her dumbass descendants. Lute will realize they’re all just like her in different ways. Cherri is violent. Niffty is violent and bloody. Alastor is violent and bloody and has a stupid haircut. Husk is depressed. Angel Dust is a bottom bitch.
Im guessing Lute!Eve’s grand plan is going to be the next step up from the Extermination. She gave it away in her song:“The Flood’s Coming!”Culling Hell is only treating the symptom. The problem is humanity — her descendants. It’s time for a new flood. Start over again.“I think she wants to kill us.”“Oh, no, no, no, no. Not you, per se. No, but just people in general. Yeah, no, I want to kill them. All of them. Most of them. Whatever.“
>>154278835Ah fuck I think that legitimately might be it. A flood, to wipe the slate clean from all the consequences of her sin.
>>154278835>>154278958I think if she's planning something like this then she's planning to kill herself along with it. We've seen her not care if her life ends up being collateral damage twice now. She hates herself most of all.
>>154279031>>154278958Sam have said that both Adam and Lute believe in retributive justice, and eye for an eye. In another interview he said that this is exactly what she feels she needs to do, to wipe the Slate clean, as God did after the flood. Viv also liked a post that said Lute was basically planning to offer herself and the entirety of hell.So yeah kind of like what Vox was trying to do. I think her and Adam's plan was to destroy all of hell. And being that she has nothing to live for anymore,,
>>154278958>>154279031if this is the case i hope someone tries to pull a 'adam wouldn't want this!', just for her reaction.
>>154279117It will be Adam himself, back as a sinner, who snaps her out of it.
>>154279031Either she plans to start the human race again (less likely) or yeah, she plans to go down with the ship.Hence the Sonic 3 line to Abel above.Or heck, if Adam always knew who she was, maybe they were planning the first option in the long term until his death.
>>154279117He came up with the exterminations. Of course he would want this. He just probably wouldn't want her to kill herself.
>>154279187I don't see her wanting to restart the human race herself because Adam is gone and she doesn't really think herself worthy by herself. She probably thinks that she and her sinful people should be obliterated so God can start afresh on a completely new project. She's pretty fucked up.
>>154279157>all seems lost>but then, from the top of a building, a familiar voice>LUTE, YOU PSYCHO BITCH, CUT THAT SHIT OUTand once again misogyny saves the day...
Hellborn are probably excluded from Exterminations because Adam and Eve are supposed to be cleaning their own house. Hellborn are not their mess.
>>154279494I wouldn’t be surprised if Eve had always been a psycho bitch, instead of the idealised woman Flowertunes fans make her out to be. That it turns out Adam was the reasonable one this whole time.She’s definitely burning down Eden (where Lilith currently is) by the end of Season 3 in a breakdown of biblical proportions.“I’ll show you a Psycho Bitch! PSYCHO BIIIIIIITCH!!”
>>154279752Freaky tsundere Eve in Eden for the win
>>154279752Eve should be a strange person by all accounts. Imagine if you lived in ultimate paradise and the only other person on the whole planet was your daddy-husband who you were literally carved out of. Then you fucked that up because you were naive and everyone blames you for all of human suffering forever.
>>154279813i think she'd be closer to yandere in that scenario.
I always got confused how Lilith is this evil machiavellic being, when she was made from the same material Adam was. But Eve was made from his blood, his bone and she's very submissive. That is the perfect recipe for Frankenstein Eldritch horror shit. I'm surprised the rabbi who came up with Lilith didn't make her of similar origins. Blood and Bone sounds a lot more metal than sparkly clay dust
>>154279956You’ve missed the point. It’s not about the material or origins. It’s simply Lilith subverting away from the purposes of God.
>>154280156Ok
>>154279505Lute doesn’t like the hellborns at all and were only given protection by Lucifer. Lute might be more familiar with Hell than Adam.
>>154280213No Matt. She's not a Hellborn demon
>>154279939I think she'd still be sweet and loving to Adam in Eden. The rot sets in later.
>>154262136I have no idea how any of you have convinced each other of this, nothing in the scene or the season gives any impression of a relationship, filial or otherwise, between the two. Abel is not Adam, Lute didn't know Adam as well as you want to believe she did, she didn't even know if Adam cared about her or knew she loved him. Whatever plotline is coming up for her is going to be about her revengeagainst Hell because they're the main characters, supported by the thematic parallel of Abel's status as murder victim and Angel's patricide.
>>154280288This is just as fanfiction-y as anything else in this thread.
>>154280288>Lute didn't know Adam as well as you want to believe she did,Incorrect. Viv did confirm that she knew him fairly well. And that's why the hallucination is pretty accurate. Once more, word of creator beats your shitty ass takes. Lute is Eve. It's been spoiled, and it's obvious when you put all the commentary, interview, etc together.
>>154280288Who do you think Eve is then?
>>154280358Also, it's not that she doesn't know him well. It's the fact that she kept things from him. That's why she doesn't know if Adam knew or not. Jessica confirmed that she keeps walls up with everyone and everything, that is one of her biggest character flaws. It was to the point, according to her, that the only time these emotional walls came down was when he literally fucking died.
>>154280454Matt thinks Eve is the Lilith doppelganger. Because of some hearsay leaks dating back to 2021, from a concept artist, not a writer, who wasn't even sure who Rosie was. He takes that as gospel. A lot of people in this fandom do. And they will keep screaming this same plotline, that Rosie is the real Lilith, that the Lilith in heaven is Eve, until they're blue in the face and we get the reveals
>>154280493I don't think that was the big mp. I already know what Matthew's take is
A lot of people also still believe Roo is Eve lol
I’m really bored of the Lute!Eve narratives.Her just being some kind of heaven project screwed over so hard she doesn’t even have a male counterpart in the first place is so much more interesting. It will be reflective of her whole race. And Abel would be the first time she ever had a son. And for Abel, a mother that wants him to be a man like his father.
>>154280493Another paragraph for your matpat 101 textbook. Matpat thinks Adam and Lute are destined for each other and he will redeem her in holy marriage. Someone talking about Lute not really knowing Adam as well as she thought she did is unlikely to be Matpat. >>154280639This one is Matpat.
>>154279752Lute at the end of Season 3, post reveal, burning the garden of Eden to cinders.
>>154280670Taking notes. Thank you professor! It tends to get a bit confusing because I've also heard him say that Lute is a hellborn. In all fairness, I thought the first one was implying that because she didn't know Adam as well as she thought she did, that and she's more familiar with hell, that he was saying she was hellborn / a demon.
>>154280716As she should
>>154280639And we're really bored with the Lilith/Rosie/Eve narratives. What's your fucking point.
>>154280639Lute is Eve. Jessica spoiled it. Seethe and cry about it.
>>154280720His takes are always hyperspecific and don't have any basis in anything else the rest of the fandom is saying. Not everyone who disagrees with you will be him. If someone disagrees with you using talking points you might here from fans on Twitter, probably not him. If someone disagrees with you and offers a theory that sounds unmedicated, could be him.
>>154280857Noted!!
>>154280716“CATCH THE FEVER, MORNINGSTAR!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!”
>>154280273oh 100%, they were sweethearts in eden.
I need Eve/Lute to interact with Lucifer so bad
>>154280881We are dead serious about him being special needs by the way, it's not a meme. You will never change his mind on anything and there's no point arguing with him.
>>154281044I will take that into account from now on. It was funny at first. But it's genuinely sad. Won't waste my time anymore with him.
>>154280828The problem with Lilith/Eve/Rosie is that barely anyone had a narrative or any idea on how Eve as Lilith would act to Charlie.And in fact, the way Charlie is described in season 3 because of her mother reminds me a lot about Abel. When Lute is acting all scary and violent, he projected his own mother to her, and then embodies himself into his father’s place to back off.Whoever Eve is, she is far more disturbing than Lute.
>>154281297It's just Lute.
