>I say Phantom Menace sucked more!>I say Attack of the Clones sucked more!
>>154268138Did people really blame the actors for the prequels sucking more than George Lucas' unedited scripts?
2 sucked way more
>>154268157Yes. The boy who played kid Anakin was the butt of a lot of jokes for the longest time.
>>154268157The actors were classically trained theater actors, their hammy performances would be perfectly reasonable on a stage productionThat's the fault of a director if it doesn't fit the tone of film, his job is to reel them in if it's too much
>>154268163Agreed. 1 was dumb, but it had stuff going on that kept your attention. The shitty romance scenes in 2 were a complete slog to watch through and made for a genuinely unpleasant cinematic experience.
>>154268138Attack sucked more but it's fucking rich of zombie-era Simpsons of all places to be critiquing someone else for sucking
>>154268185Correct1 is interesting in that it's a look into the jedi order and republic which we've only heard about up until nowWe get to see prime jedi masters at work2 tries to just leverage that except more which doesn't work, it brings nothing new to the table and has so much down time
>the prequel defense force will swear up and down that everybody loved the movies until the RLM reviews came out
>>154268138this is typical Al Jean era Simpsons ie. attacking safe pop culture targets like the Star Wars prequels that everyone already agreed it was ok to make fun of
>>154268170it's pretty fucked how lucas directing him to act super weird affected how people saw him for years
>>154268157>>154268170>>154268470The kid played his role perfectly. The problem is that his role was extremely unlikable. Nobody watches a movie with robots, lasers, spaceships and glo sticks of death for an annoyingly naive and overly gifted kid with a bowl haircut. Especially when all the promotional material featured ninja satan with twice the glo stick of death. At least there was also Jar Jar to soak up some of the hate.
it's not my fault Gen Xers made a cult out of the movies
>If you follow your thoughts through to conclusion, it'll take us to a place we cannot go... regardless of the way we feel about each other>Then you do feel something>I will not let you give up your future for me>You are asking me to be rational. That is something I know I cannot do. Believe me, I wish that I could just wish away my feelings, but I can't
>>154268138>Wow it is totally organic that nobody in the mainstream has anything negative to say about The Last Jedi.Also, I hate how they decided to make Homer uniquely incompetent in the power plant.
Attack of the Clones sucked more. Phantom Menace at least still looked like a Star Wars movie.Both somehow ended up sucking less than Rise of Skywalker, though.
>>154269616There once was a time when Return of the Jedi was deemed the worst Star Wars movie. Those people had no idea what was yet to come.
>>154268184Why wasn't this a problem with Alec Guinness then?
The prequels are pretty bad. The major character's story arcs are stupidAnakin: ticking time-bomb who no one seems to realize is bad news despite him showing it every couple of minutes and Yoda even thinking so from the very beginningObi-wan: Never puts his finger on the real problem in any situation; an ineffectual bumbler; is he supposed to have become wise sitting in a cave for 20 years before he met Luke?Padme: she's there, she doesn't react to thing, she diesYoda: supposedly very wise, never makes any good decisionsPalpatine at least has motivations and is proactive, but even he starts yammering about Darth Vader in his moment of triumph when he shouldn't give a shit about that guy other than as a tool (which is how he treats him in RotJ)
>>154269714They definitely did damage to the idea of the jedi who are supposed to be objectively good and wise but the movies show them to be short sighted bureaucrats with a violent streakIt does a terrible job of expressing that Palpatine was manipulating them and just made them all look detached and totally out of touch
>>154269830That's kind of the point? The jedi themselves were becoming exactly that: bureaucrats who were losing their way. Stuck behind rules, and regulations, while essentially being just a military arm for the government. It's not executed excellently, but the idea here is that the system was rotting, regardless of Palpatine.
>>154269901was this actually a point in the movies or was that bit EU stuff?i don't mind the idea but I don't really recall that being mentioned at all in the films
>>154268170Jar Jar's actor too, iirc. Though I wouldn't be surprised if most of the cast was mocked for the films.
>>154268138The Simpsons sucked by the time Attack of the Clones came out. How many people even saw this ironic scene?
>>154269669Because he’s a great actor, also >>154268184 is talking cobblers because you had people like Samuel L FUCKING Jackson talking like they were on Xanax. I will say though I prefer hammy melodrama over the mumblefest we get in most films these days.
>>154268157When one performance is bad, it's a bad actor.When every performance is bad, it's a bad director.
>>154268138I thought Clones sucked more for years, but after watching it again a while back I was amazed at how much better it gets at Genosis. Still stupid, but better than I remember.
>>154269912NTA, but it wasn’t mentioned, however given how corruption and decay are themes throughout the series (see how Lucas deliberately went with a ‘used future’ in the original trilogy vs the very clean prequels). You can chalk it up to him making shit up as it went along but for all the shit people give Star Wars and the prequels I do like how they felt like they had some sense of epic saga in the classic sense, almost like they were written by a guy who read and appreciated classic film and literature rather than cannibalising old Star Wars movies.
>>154270129Sorry I forgot to say it makes sense at the end of that first sentence, excuse my ADHD
Gen-Xers are complete retards with no self-awareness.
>>154268138https://www.chefelf.com/starwars/ep1.php https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lPG1u6EbiY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHOTkSfVb4o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARfYzbNzxAU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWg0NlRU6-c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgeOdW3UyP4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDCjIjsZp_Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzDIClx-_pY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMYp8pek0zk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFcs9hIn_Qs https://youtu.be/g81PoGKO0qAhttps://youtu.be/77lh4Ct6wdE Keep in mind, all of this is PRE-PLINKETT.
>>154269644People think Rise sucked than Last Jedi?
>>154271032Last Jedi was deliberately bad.Rise of Palpatine was bad on its own "merits".
>>154271032Yes, sure. Among the movies in the new trilogy, Last Jedi was the closest to being good.
>>154268138>Attack of the Clones Never heard of it.
lazy simpsons quote thread
>>154271835Dental plan!
>>154268163Agreed>>154268352I defend alot of stuff within the prequels but i remember the hate. Hell i liked jar jar as a kid and people would tell me constantly about the website where you can shoot and kill jar jar back in the early 2000s>>154268859It really is telling that media doesnt shit on garbage like TLJ when it was objectively worse then TPM and AOTC combined. I dont understand why some gen-x fags are sequel lovers unironically>>154269644I dont understand the hate for ROTJ. Its the best OT star wars behind ANH. Gen-x fags really were obsessed with muh serious realism faggotry and got triggered to death by cool aliens. Pic fucking related>>154269616^this, even the good parts of AOTC are ruined by the shitty romance crap>>154270109Geonosis bits are still kino but overall the movie sucks. And im a prequel applogist and think theirs still nuggets of gold in them but TPM and AOTC objectively suck as movies on their own>>154271080I agree, JJ is a OT purist retard but in his idiot insipid hack brain he thought TROS was cool. I hate JJ abrams guys but he doesnt hate star wars the way rian johnson does>>154271495How? The last jedi was where the wheels all started falling off and was made out of spite against the franchise
I genuinely don't think I even bothered to see Attack of the Clones. I know I saw Phantom Menace, (I got the lego podracers) and Revenge of the Sith (I remember my high school math teacher bitching about it) but I still don't think I've EVER seen AotC and don't actually think I missed out on anything, and the fact that I'm not certain of it speaks volumes. That's bad.
>>154268352I think people were unfairly harsh on the prequels, I recognise how flawed they were but I dont think the originals were perfect either. At the very least the prequels at least expanded the scope of the universe and had some incredibly striking visual designs to them.
>>154272036ROTJ is just a little sillier than the first two because it came out in the 80s instead of the 70s and feels more like an 80s movie.
>>154271835“D’oh!”“Woo-hoo!”“Mmm… [food]”“Why you little…!”“Stupid Flanders.”“Stupid sexy Flanders!”“Save me, Jeebus!”“To alcohol! The cause of — and solution to — all life’s problems.”“Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is: never try.”“I am so smart! S-M-R-T!”“No TV and no beer make Homer something something…”“I’m normally not a praying man, but if you’re up there, please save me, Superman!"“Eat my shorts!”“¡Ay, caramba!”“Don’t have a cow, man!”“I didn’t do it!”“Nobody saw me do it. You can’t prove anything!”“Cowabunga!”“Get bent.”“I’m Bart Simpson. Who the hell are you?”“If anyone wants me, I’ll be in my room.”“Excellent.”“Release the hounds.”“Smithers!”“Ahoy-hoy.”“Everything’s coming up Milhouse!”“But my mom says I’m cool.”“Hi, I’m Troy McClure. You may remember me from such films as…”"Thank you, come again!""Spiderpig. Spiderpig. Does whatever a Spiderpig does.""I don't need safety gloves! Because I am Homer Simp-"
>>154268163On paper 2 has a lot going for it.Iconic actor Christopher Lee as your villain? Can't ask for a better option as your dramatically evil count than fucking Dracula.Fan favorite Boba Fett is back in so many ways, we got more Fett than we know what to do with.Anakin grown up to be a teen hearthrob for the girls.Padme showing off every fine outfit for the boys.CG Yoda finally got the hand out of his ass and we can actually have the little guy be in more scenes than just him talking while sitting.90% less Jarjar Binks.
>>154269901>The jedi themselves were becoming exactly that: bureaucrats who were losing their way.What part of the films demonstrates this?
Revenge of the Sith is a genuinely good movie. it’s not good for the reasons the OT is good, but it is good for different reasons.
>>154272223>ROTJ is just a little sillier than the first two because it came out in the 80s instead of the 70s and feels more like an 80s movieYeah and thats why its so good. TESB is painfully overrated and is also the weakest of the OT i dunno why gen-xers jerk that film off so hard>>154272653ROTS is my favorite star wars movie still
A New Hope is the only good Star Wars movie.
>>154273306Honestly I can see why people would feel like that.
>>154273306I wouldn't say the only good one, but it was the peak of the series that none of the later ones ever managed to live up to.
>>154273306I like how it hinted at lots of cool stuff in the wider setting, with that stuff actually being revealed in the later movies usually being a disappointment. It had the most potential of any of the films because it didn't have to actualize most of its world yet.
>>154274126potential is not quality
Attack of the Clones is the worst Star Wars movie, 100%, but it was innocent of the post-2014 Culture War so it gained status over time
>>154274935>Attack of the Clones is the worst Star Wars movieHow is it worse than Last Jedi and Rise?
>>154274935The Las Jedi is straight-up a hate letter to the fans.
>>154272036Jesus the autism>muh heckin' SW was so DARK AND GRIDDY and RotJ ruined it!1!!1!At the same time these faggots know nothing about SW, they are the most casual consoomers ever, they only like ESB because of public conception and not their own takes on the films. It's fucking pathetic
>>154274935>but it was innocent of the post-2014 Culture War so it gained status over timeyou know George Lucas was always a California liberal, right?
you mean Gen Xers need to stop thinking Lucas/Spielberg movies are Citizen Kane-tier
>>154274989George is a 90's liberal.Not a far-left authoritarians like current liberals.
>>154274960>hate letterSee that's what I'm talking about. I didn't like TLJ either but now it gets over-hated because of the perceived insult in a time of culture war hypersensitive hysteria. If you want to see a "love letter" to the fans that's Rise and that shit was a boring compromise. Attack of the Clones however was barely competent as a movie and a story. If you're not nostalgic for it or being "ironic" it's genuinely cringe to watch. The scenes with Anakin and Padme are fucking ridiculous, Indian soap opera tier.
>>154275073You're just an irony poisoned zoomer.
>>154275073>now it gets over-hated because of the perceived insult in a time of culture war hypersensitive hysteria. If you want to see a "love letter" to the fans that's Rise and that shit was a boring compromise. The Last Jedi is a hate letter to SW not counting any culture war retardation. Everything screams Rian Johnson fucking hating Star Wars, like Luke Skywalker being a deadbeat hobo who hates his dad and the galaxy and the Jedi, or literally everyone being able to use the Force whenever however, or characters like Admiral Ackbar being killed off unceremoniously, or the extremely sardonic ending where literally all the Resistance is fucking dead but the remaining 15 people celebrate in the Falcon, or Snoke getting killed off for no fucking reason, or Rey being a nobody, etcRise wasn't a love letter, it was JJ trying to pull the franchise together and failing because he sucks at filmmaking and he was already hampered. What part of Rise "loves" SW? Palpatine coming back which is a kick in the nads to the PT and OT? Rey being a Palpatine who replaces the Skywalkers? Kylo Ren being killed off? Shut the fuck upAotC is a good story, it just follows theatrical conventions and people don't like that cause they're accustomed to muh realistic cinema. Anakin and Padme's scenes are really not that different from Romeo and Juliet in the theater.
>>154268157People fucking hated Lucas for the prequels in the 2000s anon.
>>154275022>far-leftThey're the same corporate simps as before.Liking trannies doesn't change that.
Honestly, I think people were too awed/intimidated by Lucas's reputation to give the necessary feedback and just assumed everything he touched would be gold.
TLJ is, for me, forever at the bottom of the list because its a long as fuck movie where genuinely nothing of consequence happens
>>154268489Anakin was fine, the whole point was this wholesome bright eyed kid would turn into Vader from having all the optimism in front of him turned to ash.But people are weirdly hostile with kid actors and children in general, Gen Xers and early millenials were obsessively anti-Natalist and needlessly ripped on kids in movies and tv shows at the time. And the general hate for wholesome protagonists like him and Luke that generation had.
>>154275190>Anakin and Padme's scenes are really not that different from Romeo and Juliet in the theater.Give me a fucking break
>>154275286Clone Wars fans love using him as shield everytime you say anything bad about the show.
>>154275293Those space horses got freed...
>>154275326Fuck... how could I forget...
>>154268138>nowadays all of these are under one umbrellaHow did we end up here?
>>154272473you forgot >Let's just say, i am sitting in the riiight chair...
>>154268138guys guys guysyoure BOTH correct
>>154268138Ngl I love the prequels but I don't want anyone telling me 2 is the best.Attack of the Clones is the worst cuz the Naboo segment was zoning me out.Phantom Menace was funny and kid Anakin's piloting scenes were fun.
>>154275190>AotC is a good storyYou had me up until here.
>>154274973TESB is the most overrated movie of all time and pretentious gen-x faggots like dennis are why it gets so hyped up undeservedly
>>154275190>ending where literally all the Resistance is fucking dead but the remaining 15 people celebrate in the FalcoThat literally happens in the Battle of Geonosis, like only a tenth of the jedi make it out of there the rest pathetically job
>>154275890The difference being that Geonosis is presented as a tragedy, the Jedi were unprepared and nobody celebrates, if anything Yoda is depressed because of it and the Clone Wars startingMeanwhile the protags celebrate after Crait as if the entirety of the Resistance hasn't been fucking destroyed and it wasn't a massive victory for the First Order
>>154273306What's your beef with Empire?
>>154275860Empire is a great movie but it is overrated, everyone acts like it's better than the rest of SW when all the Lucas films are generally on par. I think RotS is far better than Empire if anything
>>154268170Didn't it follow him into school?
>>154275303>the whole point was this wholesome bright eyed kid would turn into Vader from having all the optimism in front of him turned to ashBut that's not what happened; in the second movie he's already short-tempered, egotisical, and bitter and his only complaint with the world is that he thinks Obi-wan is a mean teacher who doesn't praise him enough.
>>154268138We no longer have to bicker about this anymore. The sequels sucked more. It would have been nice if they didn't, but they did.
>>154275073“I don’t like sand” is unironically a good line
The one good thing I have to say about Attack of the Clones is that it's still better than Phantom Menace
>>154269912This was Dooku's character arc, albeit poorly executed and needing Clone Wars to pick up the slack and fill in the blanks because he wasn't in Phantom Menace.
I feel a lot of prequels fans forget that before the Clone Wars filled the gaps shit was pretty fucking flimsy
>>154277262Clone Wars is chore to watch if you're a hardcore EU fan.
>>154277262Nonsense, all of this was in the films. It just went over your head.It wasn't as deep as it could have been and it was limited by screentime, but all of the themes were discussed and present on release.
>>154277292>Nonsense, all of this was in the films. It just went over your head.>THE PREQUELS AREN'T STUPID>YOU'RE STUPID
>>154277307Well, as long as you understand.
>>154277262There were always comics and novels filling gaps when the movies were coming out.
>>154272643A bunch of jedi sitting in an ivory tower, talking politics, and being concerned that a nine year old was "too old" to learn the ways of the force.
>>154275073TLJ single-handedly destroyed the franchise, and ripped the momentum TFA had to shreds. You 100% could have made some junk MCU-tier Star Wars movies following TFA that would all safely make a billion and over, especially in the 2010s. What do you even fucking do after TLJ to finish off a trilogy? Kylo Ren is the final bad guy? That was "Duel of the Fates'" idea. Except that'd be retarded, since Kylo has gotten his ass kicked repeatedly since TFA. You gonna have him win in Episode IX? No. So your trilogy's bad guy has been a loser since day one.
>>154277545>Kylo RenWe lost Jacen, Jaina, and Anakin Solo for that annoying whiner?
>>154268352In fairness, the prequels did get alot of undeserved hate, but they were still mediocre films overall. Like you can't hate the actors for being given a terrible script, and you can't hate the CGI artists and writers for the terrible direction of the writing.While I agree with alot of RLM's criticisms, you can't deny that the era of star wars led to a damn near renaissance of star wars media, like spinoffs and video games.
>>154277453But they were right; Anakin was a disasterouly bad Jedi. The worst ever.
>>154277597>the prequels did get alot of undeserved hateLike what?
>>154277642One big complaint is that they relied too much on CGI. It's warranted, but there are some really beautiful shots.
>>154277632Cause he was trained by a disastrously bad system. He was told he shouldn't have attachments to people. His mother. Padme. Anakin was "too old" to learn the Force because to avoid the "problem" of... you know, loving your parents, they needed to essentially kidnap you as a baby.
>>154277632Brought balance to the Force.
>>154277747This, Jedi are very inhuman.
>>154277747Which is weird because Yoda and the council apparently reversed their decision on Anakin because they felt bad about Qui-gon dying.
>>154277759By killing most of the Jedi?I guess that's a kind of balance.
>>154277773It doesn't do a good job of showing that. Obi-won is a conformist Jedi but how is he inhuman? Why didn't he teach Luke any of the "inhuman" stuff? Did something convince him that stuff was mistaken? What? Anakin's betrayal? How?
>>154277878Well if your entire system and order collapses, it generally might make you question if it was working right.
>>154275286I assume that even when there were glaring writing and directing issues while filming, no one pointed them out because why would you risk making waves? Just wait it out and get your name in the credits of a star wars movie and you've got a massive pay day. Back in the 70s Hamil and all them wanted to make the best movie possible, and they had no hangups about disagreeing with the no-name writer.
>>154277972The proximate cause of their destruction was trusting the clone soldiers too much and failing to realize Palpatine was evil.
>>154278539Anakin helped Palpatine win because of his fear of losing Padme. The jedi couldn't help him because attachments like his were forbidden. Obi-Wan in particular would probably stew on this a lot, considering he was there in the final hours with Padme, and Anakin's betrayal.
>>154279010But Anakin had nothing to do with the clone-soldier plan to kill the Jedi (conceived when he was still just a student), not does Obi-wan know that Windu was on the verge of stopping Palpatine only for Anakin's failure to help him lose that chance to save the Jedi and republic.
>>154279431Obi-Wan did know and see someone he considered a brother fall to the dark side because the jedi were unwilling to help him with his fear of losing a loved one.
