It would be the last unicorn in the world to come to Molly Grue.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLP4fge346o
>>154268779You do understand, right? You just want to talk about it.because it's more and more relevant every year for us.I've actually moved even beyond this. I found I could no longer fantasize about finding a woman, because how dare she come to me NOW, not when I was young and healthy.Now I can't imagine it at all. In fact it's hard to fantasize whatsoever. Can't keep the image focused. Harrison Bergeron fuckin old age brain..
>>154268779Great movie.The meaning is probably just exactly what she said, she misses the time when she was young and pure and full of hopes and dreams, before the pains of life fully settled in.She is no longer the pure person she once was, she has suffered in life, and almost lost her capacity to dream of good things. To see the epitome of those dreams makes her frustrated.The example >>154269066 said is appropriate. Imagine you are now old, and that you have always dreamed of finding someone in your life to feel loved, but it just never happened.Then one day your perfect waifu becomes reality, but now you're old and no longer feel the same hope to find love you once did.Many would probably feel sad and resentful towards life for only throwing them a bone now, after they had accepted their situation.
>>154269189prezactly.and it doesn't help that any woman I can stand to talk to, who doesn't feel like she's from another fucking planet, is past her childbearing age, so even if I have one of these Golden Girls / Frasier "it's okay that we're one foot in the grave, we'll just go on dates anyway" relationships, I'm still gonna die without kids to support me in my old age. Really not looking forward to that.
>>154269066>>154269189I can relate far more than I like., if one showed up now after being trained im not loveable and other nothing of worth i'd get angry too. mad I was trained to not love back and now told oh ha surprise! like no....fuck you all. so I get her scene and these posts.
>>154268779Why did they go with such adult matters(especially on the losers side and depression) for such a kids book/movie?You have the losers representatives which are the good guys (kinda)And you have the other type of losers representatives where they succeeded at life such as Haggard and his adoptive son yet they can't have what they want. Haggard is a depressive fuck and Prince Lir can't have Amalthea.
>>154271927Interestingly enough it was published for general audiences in the US despite the publisher having a children’s imprint, but published as a children’s book in the UK.
>>154271927It's not a kids' book, but if you pitch animation in America you have to be credibly targeting a kid audience. That's the short answer.
>>154268779Zoomers don't get it because they were simultaneously never innocent and never grew up
>>154271927I don't think there's much problem in talking about such things in kids cartoons, if it's done properly.It's an emotional moment and gives valuable insight. I think kids can have some appreciation for some more subtle moments like this in a movie, even if they don't fully understand it yet.It's not that unusual for them to have a deeper message to them sometimes.
>>154269227If you want a wife and kids it can’t hurt to think about it until it comes back into focus and see if you’re inspired to make any changes toward that possibility. Only way out of anguish is through. Sympathies though.
>>154272171If he's in his 50s/60s there's no point. Even if he manages to have a kid, not only there's a high chance of it coming out with a disability he'd be in his 80s the time the kid turns 20. Anon would be spending the rest of his life raising a baby to adult, and when you're that old you do not have the energy or sometimes even the cognitive function for it.
Is this the incel whining thread?
>>154272549That's every thread anymore.
>>154272540He said he wants kids to care for him in his old age, not that he wanted to raise babies. When you’re dating in middle age, a lot of people come with kids included.
>>154272540>there's a high chance of it coming out with a disabilitythere is no high chance.you just have a higher chance
>>154272113They were sexualized before they could even speak
>>154273105how does that even work
>>154273114They take a awhile to talk properly.
>>154272951OhYou.jpeg
God 4chan is fucking dying as we type. Can't keep 1 measly thread up which isn't Hazbin Hotel garbage.
Last Unicorn is good :)
>>154275666Satan speaking facts.
>>154275666The old guard is dying, the new guard uses discord and Reddit.
>>154271927>Why did they go with such adult matters(especially on the losers side and depression) for such a kids book/movie?Kids can handle a lot heavier things than you give them credit for. In fact this message is even more important for younger people. Old people didn't miss out on life on purpose. It just happened when we weren't looking. You need to let them know to look.
>>154275666Any one with any sense left long ago.
>>154275841Hey I'm still here
>>154276194I'm grabbing you and we're leaving together. God knows where, maybe an island on a Discord channel, just not here.The fact Partap Davis, Hiro and the programmer didn't get murdered after 1 entire year after the hack shows how many people actually were left posting on 4chan: 0.
>>154276229>DiscordI don't wanna take the HRT, anon
>>154270733train yourself now>>154271927it was the 80s. I hope you've noticed how far we've fallen as a culture since assigning things 'for kids'>>154273105you mean desexed either chemically or surgicallyhasnt been a less sexual generation in over a century. these kids unironically use the term 'inappropriate' and they use it as a direct synonym for 'sexual'
>>154272540yep>>154272581I do wanna raise babies! So badly. Even if yeah I'm too tired.>stepkidsi don't... know about that. I have kind of 'adopted' one, but she is also critically ill and I think we're gonna die pretty close together. Nothing ever went well for my dad with stepkids.>>154275832I was looking. I mean, I was working. and then I spent the other 14 hours of the day trying (and failing) to recover from having worked
>>154274393He's probably right. People often misread statistics where they view "X percent more likely" as "X percent overall". For instance saying you were already at a 5%risk and are 10% more likely now, you're at 5.1 % risk vs people thinking you're at 15% risk.
>>154276229wait for me, anon. >>154276749Very much the same. The desire is still there, but I feel like Samwise trying to catch Frodo on the boat these days...
>>154276779>5.1 % risk*5.5% risk
>>154268779Knew from the thumbnail what scene this was... fucking hell. Was thinking about it like, this week I think.
>>154276779all I know issince people stopped having kids in their teens and 20s and started having them in their late 30s or 40s, autism skyrocketed to the point that there will BE no generation to work to support us with their tax money by the time I'm old, so I was always fucked.>>154276783yeah.. that boat.. that's all I have to look forward to now. that's okay. I'm getting on it, I have my ticket. that nice Jesus guy printed one out for me.
Is 8ch still on the deep web after that asshole decided to post his murder on one of the 5000+ boards that mess of an imageboard has?Their /v/ was actually decent since gamergate is what sparked everyone migrating to 8ch.We also have 420chan and a bunch of other chans for /co/ stuff. A bunch of /v/irgins also ran off to Discord since it now supports a forum-like posting style where you create threads and sub threads rather than 1 IRC. You can create a dozen Discord alt accounts with just 1 email by typing name+gmail.com name+1@gmail.com name+2@gmail.com
>>1542772338/v/ migrated to 8ch dot moe.
>>154268779>Should have stayed off the cock carousel, roastie.
>>154277233Discord does have that one advantage over IRC, it's true. But the disadvantage is someone can dig up a message from like 6 years ago and ree at youstill, being able to search for old conversations has saved my bacon several times. And I have friends who... almost certainly died, that I can look up our old conversations and feel wistful for a while, no need to have saved logs.then again, there's also people whom Discord decided to just delete, so the records there are gonezo.
>>154268779I’ll slit your wizard OP
>>154268779watched this for the first time last yearreally great film, best scene by far>>154277233as the other anon said 8ch dot moe is still aroundtheir are some other small altchans but most are pretty deadplus4chan stil has a few /co/ hang ons
>>154278197Public logs of IRC channels have been a thing since forever, but it's something the channel's users set up voluntarily, opt-in rather than an automatic thing.
>>154278986not my point but yeahi miss Bash.org. it's sad that it got ruined BEFORE IRC died, then IRC died. Stupid engineered tech incompatibilities.
>>154281308People still use IRC, I have a client open right now
>>154268779At first I thought it was funny that the guy who played The Dude was in this.Then I realized both films share the same depressing themes and I got sad.
>>154281574I do too, anon. but it's still dead.>>154281692Oh yeahhhh, he was Lir!God, you know Christopher Lee fucking brought the book with him to the studio and was like 'these are the parts you absolutely can't cut out'What a mensch.
>>154268779It's a statement about the loss of innocence.
>>154282177>Count Dooku demanding the big tittied tree crushing scene stay in.Wish I could have seen it.
>>154283453poor guy wanted to play gandalf, but he was BORN to play villains.
>>154268779Sadly, Amalthea can't give an answer to Molly's question, because she genuinely doesn't understand Molly's problem here. Unicorns are immortal, and the one thing an immortal creature cannot conceive of is regret. Only mortals can feel that emotion, because only mortals know that there is not enough time in the world to experience it all.
>>154287162strewthplus most animals don't have menopause
>>154287162>I was mortal once and part of me is mortal still. I am no longer like the others, for no unicorn was ever born who could regret, but I now I do. I regret.It's weird that a movie ends with a positive outlook on sorrow but somehow appreciated
>>154287568It's funny, it's such a perfect metaphor for so many things, that I don't think it was really meant to be. Just... man, trying new shit in your life fucking changes you.she should just marry lir and make some cute unitaur babies
>>154271927>Why did they go with such adult matters(especially on the losers side and depression) for such a kids book/movie?Believe it or not kids eventually become adults and they often look back on things they learned and take the beginnings of wisdom from them. Before DIsney sloppification stories were written with that in mind.
>>154287814Peter S. Beagle is on another level than other writers, it's really not fair to compare them.
I never realized the skeleton was Odo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV--HzX9__I
>>154287814>kids eventually become adultsnot if the kooks have their way
>>154287995Rene Auberjonois is the absolute king, unequivocally, of "wait, he was THAT guy too?"it's difficult to think of anyone else in his tier, with regards to that. Very very few major, memorable leading roles, but SO many fucking randos.And does he act like it? no. He treats each role like it was the goddamn starring role, right in the title. He never doesn't give 800%.You ever watch the old 80s 'Shelly Duvall's Faerie Tale Theatre' ? Pretty clever stuff, kinda snarky here and there.. and in the Frog Prince episode, where Robin Williams plays the frog, Rene plays the king. and he has this speech where he explains to his daughter why if monarchs can't keep their promises, sooner or later the people will realize how completely unnecessary the monarchy is. It was brilliantly delivered. Fucking Shakespeare-tier delivery. All while he's wearing goofy magnifying specs and a big curly mop of silly king hair.
>>154288094I'll have to give that a look. I don't know what it is, maybe it's my age, maybe I've finally discovered my inner CS Lewis but I've recently picked up a very fascinating interest in fairy tales and have been watching that old Grimm's Fairy Tale Classics show. You know the one they used to air on Nick Jr and nobody realized a third of their broadcasting block was anime.
>>154288202ahhh yes, that stuff is all very sweet. And so many anime that adapted either fairy tales or classic western lit, too, as if they were trying to catch up or something. usually real low-budget anime, but sweet nonethelessI think as we become mature, we finally slow down enough to pay attention to stories deeply, instead of just experiencing themgod now all I can think of is Jim Henson's The Storyteller, which is just one of those brief experiences that leaves you demanding more, and more will never come.
>>154288231I think when Jim Henson died an important part of the world did too. There's a nostalgia bias here too but it feels like there's been a real lack of sincerity for a very long time.
>>154288265I think it's worse than thatThere might be a bunch of other creatives, but... as someone with a lot of talent and skill in a bunch of fields, I know exactly how it feels to look at someone and go "This guy's just like me, except 3 times better. If he can make it big, I can at least make it smalltime, and that's good enough" and then he can't make a living. Because what he does is too expensive, and the people are too cheap and unappreciative, and the studios are morons.. It's safe to say failure is what killed Jim. it just sucked the life out of him that nothing he did made money except mindless commercials, and nobody was giving him a chance. And it's beyond discouraging to the rest of us, who might otherwise be 'the next jim'Those who DO get the new jobs are the ones who aren't crushed by that reality (yet), and there's a reason that means their overall character and sincerity and just.. human quality are down.That, and our generation never really learned how to work hard, so we burn out way too easily.
>>154288322All this AI shit isn't gonna help matters either. Not when you can just robot out a mass market mass appeal pile of crap and make a fast return.
>>154288491AI is, and has always been, our only hope. We can't keep treating people like robots, expecting them to do such menial tasks because for every fun job, there's 100 awful jobs that have to be done to make it workInstead, people need to do the keyframes of the animation, while AI does the inbetweens. people need to do the concept art for the puppets while the AI mocks up a mold, then the human sculptor goes back over it to modify it. People need to come up with the movements they expect a cgi model to do, and the AI needs to make sure each fucking hair flows properly when you instructed it "turn head 80 degrees clockwise here"
>>154288728oh and most importantly of all,when a human says 'pressing X should make the game character jump' the AI should just write that codeand then when the human says "eh, less floaty than that" the AI should adjust the code. Coding fucking sucks sweaty nards and paying for it fairly takes more work than the amount of money any product could theoretically make
>>154288728>Instead, people need to do the keyframes of the animation, while AI does the inbetweensI disagree IMMENSELY. In between are a bitch to do but it's import. In a lot of ways more important than the key frames. You can't just automate parts of the job that aren't fun. This is weir the extra attention to detail comes from. This is where you get creative and sneaky. This is where beer cans are hidden into missile salvos.
>>154288833Undergrads guy is doing his movie completely by himself now because no studio will pick it upthe studio system has never worked, will never work. we just had flukes. There's a reason in olden times, all art was commissioned by monarchs and popes. It flat-out costs more money than there is.Unless you use slave labor. and we've picked up on the fact that slaves shouldn't be sentient. Using a robot to automate the braindead shit IS sneaky. Look what it did to factories (though not nearly enough).It's either that or we just accept really low-framerate animation again, as we go keyframes-only. Which I would be okay with, sometimes.
>>154288728Inbetweening *is* the medium. It’s the foundation to animation drawing. Animators should have more opportunities to do it, not less.
>>154288885Try it sometime. Tell me how fulfilling that is. Now think how many of you it would take, and how much money you'd deserve for that. Then realize it exceeds the fucking GDP of a nation. That's why we have roomfuls of korean slaves being worked to death. Just stretching out for miles inside fluorescently-lit rooms, working themselves to death.There's a fucking reason we invented the vacuum cleaner instead of saying people should have more opportunities to pick up every speck of dirt from the floor with brooms and tweezers.
>>154288925I think your AI fantasy fanfiction is a great example of why people need real life experience of tedious work before running their mouths on what would be best for others
>>154288833>his is weir the extra attention to detail comes from. This is where you get creative and sneaky. This is where beer cans are hidden into missile salvos.Nta but while this is true how can it even apply to animation when 99.999% of inbetweens are outsourced to poorer countries doing it just to feed their children instead of having any passion? Hell this thread is about a movie that got outsourced to japan that outsourced the inbetweens to korea. The best outcome would be to use american animation students for those inbetweenes so they can learn(I remember a jap studio that kept doing that even in the 00s/10s) but in practice people prefer to outsource.
but even more than that, right now we're subject to the tyranny of 9000 people's idea of what we should be allowed to see, what might offend one of the billions of us. With AI you can just take someone's finished work and say "keep this exactly the same, so it's still their work, except fix the part the studio fucked with"We absoneed to be able to do that, more and more. That's on top of democratizing the content creation process.>>154289012What part of my description of tedium didn't sound like it was from experience? Literally my point is that it's bad. People who -don't- have real life experience of tedious work are the ones saying it's good.
>>154288833Counterpoint: western VAs are insufferable faggots that wants JP VA's fame and money but without working for it and demanding to insert their sexual identity or get Metoo'd. Not only that, most Western VAs hate the content they VA and constantly ruin or destroy it with their spitefulness. Most people would sooner use VA AI before hiring a western VA to va their stuff.
>>154289474I meanwestern VAs have always been paid much more than eastern ones, it's just that culture overall doesn't care about them here.as for AI sounds/voices, I have to admit I'm straddling the fence hard. Because on one hand, I wouldn't mind at all using a voice changer to act out every part, if it got it the way I want it in my head. On the other hand, half the fun is other voice actors giving their ideas. But I would never be able to afford them, any more than anyone can afford to pay me for voiceover, which is why they don't. They haven't since LONG before anyone had heard of AI, just synthetic voices as much as they could, and pennies for the rest. and like, they're getting to the point now you can just 'mouth guitar' a tune and then have it AI'd using instrument samples so now you can 'play.' and ... that is more than I could ever do, for sure, for real. But on the other hand, it's so much less satisfying than just playing a synthesizer normally. Wouldn't get the same thrill of putting out some music or doing it all acapella layered with regular pitch and other standard filters that have been around for decades. which is arbitrary, they're the same thing, but they FEEL different.
>>154288875That's unfortunate but an unfortunate situation is not an excuse to cheat. The concept of a starving artist isn't new and you need to be ready to bleed.
>>154268779When Schmendrick turned the Unicorn into a woman, it was against her will and without consent. What Schmendrick did, was a sexual assault. He sexually assaulted the Unicorn.
>>154269189This is correct. Molly Grue just got visited by a mythical creature that represents youth and purity. But she is neither. She's a cynical older woman who now fully knows the cruel realities of life. Molly Grue isn't completely broken or anything, but the fact that this polar opposite decided to her is visiting at this stage of her life...simply hurts. It's painful and confusing, almost like a cruel joke the universe played on her. She's experiencing every little girls dream; but as a jaded adult who has pretty much given up on such childish things.>>154268779Here's my own schizo theory about this entire movie:It's about a young girl's journey through puberty, getting her period, feeling gross, then learning to love herself and see herself as beautiful once again.>The "Red Bull" represents a menstrual period (red = blood).>The cave they're being chased in near the end of the movie represents a vaginal canal.>The unicorn becoming and living as a human represents her going through puberty.>Her turning back into a unicorn represents her coming to terms with her adult body and realizing that she's still graceful and beautiful.>If you really want to stretch things, Molly Grue's story could represent an older woman learning to love herself through / after menopause.
>>154268779The movie could be drastically improved if The Unicorn was more both a force of nature and an involved force in the adventure ... and of course if we out 40% of the movie where she turns into a human and reduced it to 5% It still feels forced that Molly has to manipulate Haggard into firing his good wizard and his good wizard almost gets into a pissing contest with Haggard before the Unicorn in human form interrupts him.I can definitely see why people keep criticizing the castle part, there's not a lot happening inside it and it's too obvious to the audience that the unicorn lost all her sense and personality as a human.They don't really explain why she is the last beyond hinting at the fact that she's better at hiding from the red bull/devil than the others. They don't explain how Haggard is capable of controlling the bull or suggesting it to go steal unicorns. And also guess it's implied Haggard has enough unicorns already so the bull didn't have to go to different kingdoms to go get the unicorns which implies there are actually more.
>>154289868You're a piss head
>>154268779this is the best "cool girl movie" of all time.
>>154289843Goddamnit benus benis you always make this about the worst aspects of biology.Also the cave is indeed used in folktale as an allegory for portals & transformation. The japanese use it a lot when they go meditate and lose all senses, confront themselves and come out a new person , but in this fucking sense it wasn't like the unicorn transforms by herself by meditating in the cave and going super sayian.
How do we improve The Last Unicorn?
>>154289928Perfection can't be improved.
>>154289928>>154289973I'd probably ditch the "im now a woman" song. But that's about it really.
>>154269227Having kids to “support you” is the opposite reason to have kids
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5jwV-WyDPo
The Last Unicorn reminded me of a less bittersweet Secret of Kells. If it had a sequel it would probably turn out like Wolfwalkers, more cliche, more dramatic, more formulaic but also more satisfying and entertaining. There's a reason people enjoy Disney, even Hercules which critics considered bad.
>>154277202> muh autism rates spikedAutists were always around
>>154290026I wish they did a Two Hearts cartoon while Farrow and Bridges are still alive.
>>154275832>Old people didn't miss out on life on purpose. It just happened when we weren't looking. You need to let them know to look.I watched all of these movies, I heard every conceivable warning, and I was terrified on missing out on life. But it still happened, because I followed bad advice and made poor choices.
>>154289973Nothing is perfect
>>154290026One of the few gems of the 2010s in a sea of feces. It was the only thing the 2008s and 2010s was better than the 70s at, having these exceptionally rare films that aren't tumblr happy and corporate coded.
>>154290128The 00s had quite a lot of animated movies that were very interesting and and stepped away from the mainstream stuff like Waking Life, Millenium actress, Les triplettes de Belleville, Steamboy, Arete Hime, Mind Games, Oseam, Metropolis, Mari iyagi, Nitaboh, Coraline etc.
>>154290032This. Autists just didn't get diagnosed before the 90s, people merely thought they okay, we were weird.
>>154289928X rating
>>154269066That's how I felt having to build my life from nothing at age 25 when I get my bipolar diagnosis after spending 5 years on anti depressants because I was misdiagnosed >You were only 25And I weighted over 400 pounds and I had health issues and no work history or studies and I had spent the previous three years completely alone with no human contactIt took me years of work to fix everything and then? I felt miserable, I was close to 30 years old and healthy for the first time in my life
>>154268779It's pretty obvious. She's been worn down and used up by the world, innocence lost, no going back, so she can never experience meeting a unicorn the way she would have if she were still an innocent young maiden. It's regret at all the missed opportunities in a person's life that can never be resolved distilled into one scene.>It would be the last unicorn in the world to come to Molly Grue.Self deprecation is how some people cope with the burden of knowing they are not and never will be complete.
>>154277202Moderate to Sevre Autism remains at 1.2% of the popualtion and has barely changed. The mild to high-functioning percentage has gone from 2% to 12%.And a lot of that I think is other factors being bundled into it as the include people on the borderline when they found everyone they missed the first time round.
>>154269227I hope you don't actually dream of just having kids to "support you", if not then maybe if you did you could end up adopting. Lord knows there are plenty of kids out there who need someone to show them how to live right.
