Marvel is in shambles right now
>>154269987Sell Marvel to me.
>>154269987Every week there is some horribly humiliating news story about Marvel, how the fuck do they recover? Not buy selling $15 a pop doctor doom blindbags I can tell you that.
>>154269987>Publish leftist works>Turns out they treat their artists poorlyLike clockwork.
>>154269991I hope he smashes the entire editorial team.
>>154269987Why not take it to court?
It makes me sad but Marvel will probably no longer be printing by 2030. Not sure DC will make it much longer than that. You can make a list of things as long as my arm that killed it, but shit like Miles Morales made it so that even lifelong fans started rooting for failure.
>>154270182You really think some inker is going to win against fucking Disney?
>>154270182He probably will eventually, but he's an inker so I assume that's what he wants to do for a living, pissing off Marvel (and Disney) might not help. Disney especially has a murderer's row of lawyers.
>>154270093They are owned by Disney. They still have years worth of money to burn.
>>154270197>>154270195If he turned in his work ahead of schedule and with them saying that everything looks great than it should be a relatively easy win for him since I'm sure there are plenty of lawyers out there that would take the case and have their fees covered by Disney in a potential win. If anything, the threat of legal action might just force Marvel to just pay the man in order to shut him up. Marvel, Disney, and DC keep doing this because the contractors are too cowardly to even attempt at standing up for themselves
>>154270201It's a mistake to think of the legal system as a computer program or a math problem where you give it specific inputs and always get the expected output. He probably does have a rock solid case on paper, but Disney can just strangle him with fees and delays and never even notice it.
>>154270217>He probably does have a rock solid case on paper, but Disney can just strangle him with fees and delays and never even notice it.Again, that's why you have a lawyer agree to only be paid out when they win the court case with Disney/Marvel covering his side of the expenses as part of the settlement. (If a lawyer looks over his case and believes that its a winnable case to begin with. For as far as we know, there might be something going on behind the scenes where Marvel refused to pay for his services due to something he did'didn't do according to the contract)
>>154269987This isn't uncommon unfortunately. For a long time Marvel has done this where they will withhold a paycheck or two from people, and they know people will just deal with it because they were the #1 publisher. I've always assume the editors were lining their pockets and if somebody complained they'd make sure they never get work at Marvel again.Expect more people to start being vocal about Marvel not paying them. Marvel is in a bad place and people arent afraid to get blacklisted from Marvel right now when DC is paying people in a timely manner and paying them more than Marvel offers.
>>154270201>cowardlyYou mean poor
>>154270201>it should be a relatively easy win for himMarvel's lawyers will stall for years until the inker runs out of money. Even simple lawsuits can take years to be resolved.
>>154270270payroll is completely separate from editorial. in fact its barely connected to the company. payroll fuckery is rarely due to anyone involved in the creative side of things and is nearly always some corporate mismanagement.
>>154270197So it's better to... work for free going forward?
>>154270201>and DCDon't even try it, mouse shit,
>>154270182Taking it to court is costly and takes time. It'd be better to publicly shame and pressure Marvel to pay. But if that doesn't work then a lawsuit would be the next step.
The little people should just accept that they exist to be exploited.
>>154270249>that's why you have a lawyer agree to only be paid out when they win the court case with Disney/MarvelGood fucking luck then, retard.
>>154270329Creative industries are abusive relationships, it’s hard to detach
>>154270182>why doesn't a regular lower-middle class joe with a low paying job sue his employer that's owned by a company with some of the best lawyers in the world
>>154270421Well then the question is why can't people afford the justice they're owed in our system?
>>154270182Giving them enough bad PR that they scramble to try to shut him up by back paying is the easiest route, especially when you have a popular guy like Capullo on your side.When a poorer person and a rich person get into a civil battle, the richer person often doesn't try to win the case. If it's egregious enough like with severe crimes (rape, abuse, etc) they usually just settle quickly to avoid it blowing up but if it's something more mundane like this they just drag it out in hopes the court and lawyer fees are expensive enough that the poorer person just drops the case.
>>154270449>implying "our system" is constructed for the benefit of the little peopleBy design, retard.
>>154269987The tumor is so bad we want this humiliation and shrinking market to work as the chemo, something that finally rids us of the FUCKING editorial.They have appeased the Mouse which looks at Absolute and promised that Midnight will be like Absolute. It won't. It isn't going to. And then the damocles swords will fall.
>>154270419Thank you for the insight, Marvel intern.
>>154270661That’s why they said that, it’s normal to them to tolerate it. Illustration and comic careers notoriously jerk artists around and don’t pay them, so dealing with it is considered cost of entry
>>154270688Agreed. Long live Marvel!
>>154270195>You really think some inker is going to win against fucking Disney?they're not invincible people have won against them before especially in a case as clear cut as this.
why don't they just pay to him? it's small sum of money for them
>>154270708who’s gonna make them
>>154270755I'd suggest a boycott but who the fuck is buying Marvel comics anyway?
>>154270691No prob, you’re quite welcome!
>>154270182It's the same scam Trump and other scammers use to get out of paying people. The amount in legal fees and time wasted fighting it will either cost more than what's owed or just be too much of a hassle for the aggrieved party to bother so the scammer gets out of paying.
>>154270853Boycott these nuts.
>>154270182Taking people to court requires money, which inkers don't have since they aren't getting paid.Like there's that whole thign with a company that stole some guy's expensive lego collectikn that they were supposed to sell for him, and one of their first replies was "we don't risk anything because you don't have the money to sue us lol". Then the guy went on social media, got himself some youtubers interested and now it's a huge PR disaster the company is desperately scrambling to fix.
>>154269987I wish I could find the survey from like a decade ago where like 200 people working in the industry said how terrible Boom's rates were and how DC and marvel's management were incompetent and/or abusive and how DC and Dark Horse were outright shielding Berganza and Scott Allie
>>154269987Stop working immediately.
>>154271281I mean, Boom a decade ago was a slop factory, though I do think they've cleaner their act up a lot since then so I hope the rates have gotten better.
>>154270395NTA but people hire lawyers to win, not to simply show up. It should be normal that lawyers only get paid if they win.
>>154269987Sounds like something that should be pretty easy to prove in court.Best of luck to him.
>>154270387You can just call them midgets, dude. This isn't reddit, we won't tell on you.
>>154271281https://fairpagerates.com/year-in-review-2015-survey-results/https://fairpagerates.com/year-in-review-2016-survey-results/>2015 has 38 of the 127 people saying their pay is garbage lmao
>>154270097>Random political shitstirringLike clockwork
>>154271568>randomly being transLike clockwork
>>154271584>Trannys on the brainLike clockwork
>>154269987You know it feels like there's been a million horror stories from people who had gig at Marvel in recent years, if its been that bad why hasn't someone made a big Youtube exposé about the horrible treatment and pay for it to go viral and possibly force a negative spotlight on the company like the Utah Legos thing?
>>154271620Because no one wants to be blacklisted, Greg Cappulo might be the closest thing marvel has to a superstar artist at this point so I guess he felt more comfortable speaking out.
>>154271636Capullo is also burning bridges at marvel. Must have not liked his time there.
>>154271651Can't wait to see him on an absolute book in a few months lol.
>>154271666I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being Absolute Batman's filler artist and just makes a bunch of money from doing 3-4 issues a year alongside covers/variants lmao
>>154271651>>154271636>>154271666You can really see Marvel comics falling into the abyss as even the managed decline stagnation isn't keeping, alienating their talent when they aren't the big cheese that can afford to do this anymore when any artist can just go off and start a patreon.So much is riding on Midnight, and sadly I don't actually want it to do well as the only way to get rid of the editors is for the whipping to continue.
>>154271584>>154271613Anons clocks go tik tok tik tok not trans chud trans chud
>>154271201That one’s practically an exception because the company was that incompetent p, from trying to outright shut the store down to deny giving the old man his money, to the CEO going on podcast multiple times without his story straight, to the police accidentally releasing bodycam footage showing them blatantly collaborating with the former store owner to harass the YouTuber and prevent him from serving them so they could take it to court. Like, the level of incompetence and legal shenanigans is funny as hell, I’d never laughed so hard at a dude telling the cops he’s being served and being told “no, I don’t want to be served”, and the pigs actually complying with that
>>154271651Capullo has said he's virtually retired so he doesn't care anymore.
>>154271757Retired the same way Snyder said he's done with Batman before going back to the character twice
>>154271651>Must have not liked his time there.I don't think many people do. You can dig through afterwords and interviews given by writers and artists associated with Marvel. When they talk about the good times they've had with a title, they will typically bring up their fellow creatives, or the readership, or that they got to work on a specific IP. It's far less common that they spare more than a few kind words for Marvel's in-house staff, like the editors.
>>154271620Learned helplessness
>>154271691They've been scummy for decades.
>>154271867You can get away with being scummy if you are successful, they aren't successful right now.
>>154271769Not in mainline though.
>>154271876They literally went bankrupt once.
>>154271651He knows he'll able to survive on commissions and variants on the billion Bat books DC puts out a month.
>>154271651The ridiculous deadlines on that dumb, pointless Wolverine book ended his long-term partnership with FCO Plascencia.
>>154271568Israel is working overtime
Uncle Rob tried to tell you.
>>154272500I hope they can make up because FCO is like 80% of why Capullo's art is good
It's interesting that artists are willing to speak up more than the writers. It feels like writers spoke up more against DC during the New 52 era than they are now with Marvel.
>>154269987Kill yourself
>>154270182And pay the lawyers with inked drawings?
>>154272622He was a jerk to him so deserves Sinclair now. His Deadpool Batman looked atrocious bc of this.
>>154269987If he was commissioned in the routine fashion then why wouldn't they simply pay out?
>>154270195They’re stupid anon. He’s fucked and capullo is going to be sabotaged in the future
>>154272637Good artists have a skill that's high in demand, no comic book writer is good enough that they can burn bridges unless they've already pivoted into an even-more-gatekept industry like tv or film.
>>154269987This is big news.
>>154272840Capullo will be shielded by Snyder if he chooses to work for DC.
>>154269987>BEFORE deadlines givenOK but how before? The deadline given was likely when the work was expected and from when the paycycle was meant to start. If you finished work a month a head of schedule and the publisher was expecting to pay you two weeks after deadline, they aren't necessarily going to give it to you ahead of time. The deadline was when the work was expected.
>>154270182If they were saying anything incorrect marvel would sue them for defamation. The total check for the five covers would be less than 5K and it’s not worth going through a year of litigation if you van achieve the same end by bullying them publicly. >>154270195>>154270200He would win, it’s just not worth the time and effort when it’s only marginally more than small claims court.
>>154269987so what happens now
>>154271620I'm assuming it's because they all work in comics, none of them are full-time Youtubers
>>154271977as you can tell, you don't need to do mainline to have your clout back
>>154274607Anon this is about when they worked on Wolverine which finished releasing almost a year ago
>>154271281Berganza did absolutely nothing wrong
>>154275088ok Eddie
>>154272545Perch was even hinting that Marvel was having these kinds of problems a few years ago. I think this time around it's probably the first complaint that's harder to shake off because it involves a big name talent arguing on behalf of his friend
>>154275159Concession accepted. Shut up faggot.
>>154270097More like deserved. Fuck leftists.
According to Chuck Dixon, DC still hasn't paid for royalties on books writers did 30 years ago, and apparently it's a known fact in comic creator circles that Marvel is always worse when it comes to paying their talent.
>>154275446What can /co/ do about it?
>>154275466I'd say boycott but /co/ doesn't read comics let alone buy them
>>154270200Disney doesn't like seeing one of its notorious legacy branches getting humiliated by the competition. It looks bad to stockholders. They are already getting Buckley out the door and replacing him with one of their own guys.
>>154275466Why should we do anything about it? Why do I care if theyre paid or not? Do they care if Im paid or not?
>>154275918>it's a /co/ will do anything but side with the worker against the boss, as they imagine themselves as one day being the boss episodeLove these
>>154276123I want the bosses to go bankrupt and the workers to find work elsewhere.
>>154276123No it's worse than that. They just do it out of spite and contrarianism.
>>154276123I don’t have to imagine that I’ll ever “be the boss” to understand that cappullo, glapion or Dixon or any of them would never tweet anything in support of me. So why would I do the same for them?
>>154276695>or any of them would never tweet anything in support of meI've read Cappullo and Glapion's stuff for yearsI know the impacts of Dixon's worksthey deserve my support no matter whatyou come here on some "whadabutme :(" bullshit I don't even know who the fuck you arewhy would I tweet anything anything for you when as far as I know you did nothing and your first reflexes is to throw your peers under the bus
>>154276823If you paid for their comics you did support them. But I don’t like their comics so again why should I do anything for them?
>>154276823Also>why would I tweet anything anything for youHow quickly you dropped the veneer of this being about workers vs bosses. If you actually believed the ridiculous faggotry you spouted you would support me because it’s in your interest to do so.
Marvel comics are just kept alive for name recognitions and mcu slop synergy.DC really won with the absolute universe.
>>154275466Probably the same way we killed Dwayne McDuffie, compile a ton of examples into one thing, have it get picked up by Rich, see it spread like wildfire on social media
>>154276872It's a flash in a pan being propped up almost entirely by Snyder and Dragotta just like he and Capullo propped up the New 52 with their Batman run.
>>154276992It’s also the only one still selling well. Most of the absolute line is selling less than half of what it ships.
>>154277015>It’s also the only one still selling wellKeep coping and seething.
>>154277033Not really a cope unless you’re under the delusion I don’t think marvel is further in the dumps.
>>154276992How long does something need to be successful before it’s no longer a “flash in the pan”?
>>154277015>Most of the absolute line is selling less than half of what it shipsReminder every Absolute book has been either the best selling title of the week or in the top 3 since the start, outselling titles like Uncanny X-Men and Amazing Spider-Man
>>154276992>>154277015Marvel literally had to cope and shelve both Ultimate AND Imperial to compete with Absolutewhy are you like this
>>154277220First off Im inly the second anon and see: >>154277063You insufferable faggot
>>154276863Kek gottem
>>154277063You have issues.
>>154276695Morality is not transactional
>>154277327Cute but anon didnt even believe what he said as evidenced by: >>154276863
>>154277268ok, you two share the same retarded takeawaysnow what
>>154277362No you see: >>154277063As I said faggot
>>154276849I like their works, I paid for them so I support them>>154276863aren't they literally the workers here? I'm on their sideand you literally said you don't want to be the boss either again, why would I support you if you're doing nothing anyway
>>154277512BTA Youre flailing for a point with that second part. You literally asked why you would support someone you don’t know just a post after claiming it was about workers vs bosses. Presumably this would mean you support all workers. It’s okay to just admit you don’t actually care about workers.
>>154277543NTA*
>>154277543>>154277560ok maybe I'm being retarded herewhen I said "why would I support him if I don't know him", It's because I'm assuming he said screw both sides with no solution
>>154277619Even if he had your view is inconsistent if you don’t still support any worker against the bosses. In fact them not supporting those three because as they said they wouldn’t support he/she would mean that you’re literally agreeing with their outlook by not supporting them.Dont you see how silly this is? Im not really all that invested, I certainly don’t give a fuck if any of them or you get paid or stiffed on a bill, but I hear the same dumb shit when it comes to fans backing hundred-millionaire ball players in negotiations with billionaire owners when neither party gives a fuck about the normal fan’s solvency.
>>154277680>but I hear the same dumb shit when it comes to fans backing hundred-millionaire ball players in negotiations with billionaire owners when neither party gives a fuckok when you put it like that it sounds bad. my badok so, if we think "fans first", what should be done
>>154277766I don’t know, tweet what you want, boycott what you want, but don’t hold it against others for not caring about people who don’t care about them. Otherwise it would be hypocritical to not monetarily support every single last comic and creator just as much as three dudes who worked for Time Warner.
>>154277787>but don’t hold it against others for not caring about people who don’t care about them'k I see, I'll remember that, thanks
>>154277136Far longer than two years, which is just a blip in the history of the company.
>>154277512>aren't they literally the workers here? I'm on their sideWhich means you must automatically be on my side as well. We’re all, each and every one of us, the workers after all.
>>154278139is this the part where we hug each other on a red poster?
FWIW one of the speculated reasons is that when Disney did its big layoffs at Marvel that included a lot of administrative staff. So payments are being missed because there's nobody to do payroll.
>>154270097>leftist works for capitalist mega corporation as it's the only way to write for established pop culture characters>gets fucked overDo you think if Yoshida was a leftist, he'd have done yellowface and fucked over the inker? Are you stupid?
>>154278486Anyone at Marvel deserves to suffer, honestly.
>>154278608>Do you think if Yoshida was a leftist, he'd have done yellowfaceAbsofuckinglutely, leftists can't stop raping asian culture for a second, it's almost as integral as being anti-white and pro-jew to them.
>>154278486Why did they start with the admin and not the editorial who are the ones that continue to steer for the iceberg every year?
>>154276123Not what he said.
>>154270421>low paying jobHes working for Disney/marvel; granted they didn't pay him but that's not some pocket change he was getting, upper middle class is more likely
>>154276123No, I just want everyone at Marvel to get fucked, physically. Get fucked, prick. Get fucked hard.
>>154270387No.
>>154270922Rent free
>>154278892>No, I just want everyone at Marvel to get fucked, physically. Get fucked, prick. Get fucked hard.I like you're style. Guys like us were born in the wrong generation , sadly,
>>154278680Do you really need to ask that question?
>>154275063Okay, so they pay when the run is done, not before.
>>154281980One, Thats not how it works, two that would have been months ago.
>>154281980You pay on the schedule you agreed to in the contract you are party to, unless you’re Marvel
>>154270195Man, this mindset is great. "Never challenge corporations, let them get away with whatever they want because they're too big to beat".
>>154270195Reputational damage is very real and can cost more than just paying a damn inker his due.
Ok now let's see what happens when Lowe doesn't get his paycheck.
>>154269987Fuck Disney/Marvel
>>154285726Lowe is the one handling the paychecks, he always gets his first
>>154278871Unless you're a big writer or artist that sells really well comics do not make money at all
>>154269987>xitter thread
>>154283622Name and shame is a better way to challenge them that wasting your own damn fucking money and getting no results. But I guess you got offended that he said bad things about your favorite corporation.
>>154278608Newsflash tard, they used to do blackface too before they were told that it was offensive.
>>154270217>Disney can just strangle him with fees and delays and never even notice it.It's the judge who's in charge though. Why do they let that happen. Like, there is a point where a case should be so blatantly easy to judge that the justice can just tell the lawyer to shut up, and I would think if the artist can show his signed contracts, and the evidence of submitted work and no payment, this would be one such case.
>>154269987Is he more than one person?
>>154291513Obsessed
>>154291629>esl?>obsessed!1!1!
>>154289853They don’t get paid based on sales retard
>>154293637Oh yeah Alex Ross is definitely getting paid the same as the South American scrub they got drawing Uncanny X-Men fill ins.
>>154269991You'd run it into the ground immediately.
>>154291513>>154291629Wut
>>154293637They used to, that’s called royalties
>>154278663Lefties have done more to turn normies against jews and israel than you have through shitposting.
>>154298996There you go skirting around isntreal as the problem, can't even name the jews in public.
>>154291512Judges have been corperate bootlickers since the 80s. They're literally trained that way. It's significant that the recent major anti-corperate legal victories have been juried trials
>>154270097>>154271568>>154271584>>154271613>>154271701poc parrotsMany such cases.
>>154291629>>154292068>>154298471They're living in rent free.
