Post-Crisis continuity is so confusing! How is Tony Zucco supposed to spend 10 years in prison if he dies immediately after seeing Dick standing up to him? Did writers forget about Year Three?
>>154271226Robin Year One seems to follow the same continuity as Dark Victory, so this retcon affected everything written after 1999
>>154271430stupid
There were a lot of retcons from 1986 to 2011, don't pay attention to secondaries who insist that post-crisis cleared up continuity because it didn't. There were always people changing things because they didn't like them or changing their minds, as Denny O'Neil did on more than one occasion, or just being unable to keep track of it all.
>>154271226This is why titles should not be written by more than one writer.
>>154273898Have fun sticking to the original Bill Finger issues.
>>154273898I'd say an attentive editor who cares about continuity is more important, because if the story goes on long enough a single writer can still contradict themselves.
>>154273999Denny O'Neil was attentive and did care but he still changed his mind about things. He deliberately threw out Year Two with Zero Hour.
>>154271226>Did writers forget about Year Three?Year Three is one of those things that was almost immediately glazed over and eventually discarded. Year Two was effectively as well. The answer for a lot of this is Zero Hour. That was where a lot of wiggle room was given for any changes from Post-Crisis and while it wasn't as clearly delineated, especially for retcons that happened after it, that was the go-to reasoning.Then there's the simple fact that Loeb played hard and fast with continuity, lingering on certain changes(like Barbara being Jim Gordon's niece) but then changing things as he saw fit.
>>154273898>>154273989Every time someone says a big two character should only be written by their original creator, it astounds me because so much of these characters come from later creators. It's just some dumb shit weebs say that thinks make them sound smart and poignant. What's funnier still is when an idea from the original creator is implemented, but because people don't really know comics, they assume it's a new idea. Like the idea that the Waynes being killed was deliberate, not a random mugging gone wrong, that's a Bill Finger concept he wrote in the 50's. People think Telltale made it up.
>>154271226Oh, I can actually answer this one.DC really couldn't figure out what they wanted to do for Dick's origin, and the Batman and Titans teams and alternating editorial groups had different opinions on how it went, so they kept fucking with it, and changing as they slowly modernized Batman.These are the ones I remember off the top of my head:>Secret Origins #13 (1987) - Dan Mishkin>Batman: Year Three (1989) - Marv Wolfman>Secret Origins #50 (1990) - Denny O'Neil>Robin Annual #4 (1995) - Chuck Dixon>Legends of the Dark Knight #100 (1997) - Denny O'Neil>Batman: Dark Victory (2000) - Jeph LoebIt's best not to think too hard on it. Continuity lasts for as long as it lasts. Whatever they wanted to be canon for the story was canon for the story.
>>154274582After Zero Hour, every character got their one Year One annual, including Dick. This annual overwrote Year III and then Loeb decided to write over this with Dark Victory simply because he felt like it.
>>154274679Problem is they're all ass.Secret Origins #13 is mostly faithful to pre-crisis but is framed for Nightwing as a Titans character.Year Three is more about fixing the half-assed firing from the Collins run and setting the stage for Tim Drake era Batman. The origin is a flashback.Secret Origins 50 is OK. It's prose. It's the most in-depth anyone ever got into Dick's thoughts watching his parents die, but it ends with them bleeding out in the tent.Robin Annual #4 is the best modern origin, but Dixon was obsessed with pushing his Two-Face rivalry and foreshadowing his Robin and Nightwing comics.LotDK is pointless, anachronistic, and keeps dumb 50s shit like bruce creating Robin as a kidDark Victory is a good story, but a shitty Robin origin story. It's Robin's origin as told by Bruce Wayne. They need a definitive Robin origin that can stand alone. Crazy that doesn't exist.
>>154273898Midwit tourist spotted
>>154273898>This is why titles should not be written by more than one writer.Or just have a better editor
>>154274914Mark Waid did another one just recently. This is no "definitive" origin. Just different takes.
>>154272355This. They even came up with an Earth to put some of those retcons on:https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Earth-85
>>154275321>This. They even came up with an Earth to put some of those retcons on:sth like Earth Thirty Two or Earth B in the old DC comics?
>>154274914>Robin Annual #4 is the best modern originPretty much.
>>154271226TLH was initially a soft canon maxi that was set in a nebulous post year one time period. It wasn’t concerned with knockoffs like year two or three. Its popularity and evergreen status granted it more influence on later continuity than initially intended.
>>154274811>Loeb decided to write over this with Dark Victory simply because he felt like it.Because he wasn’t writing Tec or Batman he was writing a limited self-contained sequel to a prior self-contained limited
>>154277241All Star Batman & Robin the Boy Wonder
>>154277416What are you, dense? Are you retarded or something?
>>154277312If he wanted to, he could have had Robin already appear in Dark Victory (it's not like The Long Halloween went into detail about the rogues who showed up) or not involve him at all, but he wanted to write that particular story.Robin Year One's first issue was published before Dark Victory had even finished and it established in the first issue that it was following up on it.
>>154277770Wait, this isn't quite accurate. Robin Year One was following up on Legends #100. It just so happens that all three books show similar scenes with Zucco, Loeb was just following the changes O'Neil had already made to the origin with Zucco dying immediately. At the beginning of Year One, Two-Face has only heard rumors of a Robin and hadn't even met him yet, so Dixon wasn't writing with Dark Victory completely in mind.
>>154277770And yet he didn’t have to because it wasn’t a mainline ongoing and not beholden to that bullshit
>>154277301And Hush pretty much set the status quo for the 2000s, which just happened to be written by the one guy that would respect Jeph Loeb's canon over anything else
