I know the question of why they resemble humans has already been explained, and it's basically due to a common ancestor or something like that..but how exactly does that fit into the lore? I can't think of any other way besides an origin on Earth... maybe the peoples who diverged from humans went to space after a species of aliens went to Earth? It's controversial, although the TV series presents them with ethnic diversity, Looking at some of the original Invincible comics, the vast majority of the Viltrumites were drawn with essentially Caucasian features and skin tones (white with dark hair), which makes me think a few things. Due to the significant resemblance to European peoples, perhaps they diverged from a population in Western Eurasia? And when exactly could that have happened? Based on the similarity in phenotype, I couldn't think of anything older than the Neolithic at very least... obviously you could say it's due to inspiration from Superman's race, but in the lore of that universe, that could be explained. If they are much older than humans, then humans do not have an Earthly origin and are descendants of aliens
>>154286958Autism is a glory for humanity. I've always found it interesting the total lack of red and blond hair among them they seem somewhat Italian or something like that, but they are close enough to be able to adapt almost completely to life on Earth and its lifestyle.
>>154287025Yes, they are also so genetically similar that they can have children with humans and vice versa without apparent problems. I wonder what the exact results of a genomic analysis of these guys would be... it's a shame that the creators made them all speak English without exploring what their native language would be like.
I prefer the idea that pretty much like everything in the universe, patterns tend to repeat themselves because it is just what works more optimally and the universe is lazy.Stars are all round because mass distribution, things spin around each other because it works best, if you look at an atom, solar system and galaxy you can always find similarities, like existential fractals. I like the concept that life is very much the same, the rules that define life are complex, fragile and very strict, small permutations on your entire metabolism can lead to catastrophic failure. Just to say that if life would evolve elsewhere in the universe, to achieve intelligence they would to look and behave very similar to us, the same way if you look at how a star behaves in the other side of the universe, they tend to behave the same, save for special permutations. viltrumites could just be that, a rare permutation of the pattern that generate humanoids, more extreme and with with unique skills because some other reason. But is not like invencible universe follows our laws and logic, earth has so much magic and random bullshit going on at the same time I find just as easy some random cave man got his hands on teleportation method and dragged an entire tribe to the other side of the galaxy, more plausible than aliens coming to visit because they do say earth is pretty far alway from everything else.
>>154286958Aren't they and their Empire just a leftist allusion to le evil white colonization n shiet? I highly doubt that anything made after 2010 is free of any subliminal ideological message. Besides, would their women spare me if I gave them a super delicate and loving foot massage? With a kiss at the end? I'm a specialist with a bachelor's degree in female foot massage.
>>154287185> highly doubt that anything made after 2010 is free of any subliminal ideological message.They’re comic started in like 2002
>>154287179>I prefer the idea that pretty much like everything in the universe, patterns tend to repeat themselves because it is just what works more optimally and the universe is lazy.I understand your point, but I think we should consider how vast and variable the life forms are in the Invincibleuniverse, with forms ranging from humanoids to reptile-like and fish-like creatures and seemingly non-scient forms. If there is a pattern that works, perhaps it would be the humanoid form that has proven superior, but the resemblance to humans is ridiculously so similar from a biological point of view that at least an indirect relationship with humans should be considered.
>>154287224Yes, I know. But I was referring more to the TV series they even changed the gender, and my question wasn't answered. What would their reaction be?
>>154287185>Aren't they and their Empire just a leftist allusion to le evil white colonization n shiet? Yes
>>154287298For it to happen is just an statistical chance really. Invincible universe is so full of life and the universe is so big they could find if they look long enough.This is not even the biggest biological plothole in the entire verse. I still don't understand why there are only 50 pure blood viltrumite if they live thousands of years. Do viltrumite women can only birth when they hit 200 or 300? or can only have a baby every 500 years?if their focus was on repupolating and every viltrumate had at least 10 kids, with how resistant they are they could have at least 1000 to 5000 by the time Nolan is middle age. And we seem the scurge hit when he was much younger.
>>154287179Good semantic game, anon.
>>154286958Them all being white was something Kirkman did away with somewhat early in the series. It's one of those things he wished he didn't show in the first place and corrected it (or to some people he overcorrected it) in the show. Lucan was introduced when Mark reunites with Nolan after he flew off to space.
>>154287315Anissa has that Californian feminist attitude, but if you insist enough, she'll eventually give in one way or another, just like now that she's shown feelings for Mark. They love being challenged. You could say something like:>You can kill me if I don't help you relax and relieve the tension after this massage.But be careful, she might conclude that you're addicted to pornography and kill you. Don't be a weirdo.
>>154287413This actually makes things even more complicated, or perhaps interesting. Because even if people have problems with "human races" as an abstract concept, and this shouldn't be discussed here as it's off-topic and doesn't belong in comics, The populations that remained in Africa and those that migrated suffered distinct environmental and climatic pressures, initiating the differentiation. So where do the Viltrumites fit in here? Given their physical appearance, such as white complexions, and their relation to humans and sharing an ancestor as is said, how does this align with the information that this specific type of complexion became more dominant with the advent of agriculture? It would have been easier to make them blue creatures.
>>154287413Only in the most recent ones. I have the first editions and most of the time they are portrayed as white, and the change wasn't as fast as you want to make it seem.
>>154287413I knew it was woke, but not to that extent. Thank you.
>>154287598Anon didn’t say anything about them altering or changing the art in later editions(did they?) , just that Lucan was introduced as the first non-white Viltrumite we see. And that was issue 23, so relatively early. A hair under 2 years in.
>>154287598>>154287640>>154287598Careful, this guy is going to take a screenshot of your post and complain to his BLM friends. You guys are screwed.
>>154287640I wouldn’t really call aliens having other race equivalents in them woke, Superman and Star Trek already did it like 60 years ago.
>>154287654I'm saying that if you've actually followed comics and their releases since the time when it was a sacrifice to find them in specialized stores, to the point of having to buy them online and pay a fortune, you'll realize that the so-called "correction," as you mention, wasn't that recent. And even then, the times they appeared in large numbers weren't that diverse. The OP edition isn't that old either But it seems someone is a little anxious. I don't want to extend this discussion, and the OP should keep in mind that this subject would be controversial for some people anyway.
>>154287413see the thing is I guess they can have ethnicities, doesn't make a ton of sense since racial differences are a result of climate adaptations over thousands of years and these niggas can just fly wherever they wantbut fine. the weird thing is their ethnicities happen to be exactly the same as on earth
>>154288036See>>154287705This anon is dangerous.
>>154286958I loved the thread! And I think all the questions are valid, even my theory? I think the Viltrumites arose from experiments conducted by a mysterious alien species on thousands of humans. And if we consider the nuances in how different ethnic groups form>>154288036 perhaps then with different races on Earth, which would explain the diversity among them. But I'm aware that this is chronologically a bit broken and forces us not to go too far back in time, as this diversity is identical to modern Earth. Bronze Age perhaps? They were modified to be living weapons capable of flight and conquest, one of whom rebelled against their creators upon becoming stronger, assuming the role of the first Emperor of Viltrum and establishing the planet's violent and authoritarian culture. During their time on Earth, these aliens would have left behind remnants of technology that gave rise to the Immortal's powers and which the GDA uses to grant almost divine abilities to Eve, serving as an explanation for the supernatural aspects of the Invincible universe.
The guides say that Humans and Viltrumites are the same species and that Earth had many super-advanced human civilizations in the past that abandoned the planet. But they don't say how ancient that would be, how they acquired interstellar technology that has magically been lost since then, or how they got it. It seems that... that magic is just a remnant of super-advanced technology activated by passwords/phrases.
>>154289707I don't know how canonical these guides are, but the canonical explanation for the Viltrumites' powers is that of "smart atoms," which reminds me of the S-cells from Dragon Ball Z. Basically, they grant the ability to manipulate their mass at the atomic level. But the problem with limiting everything to an evolutionary question or natural selection, or whatever of these "mechanisms" you might think of, is that: This is not something that develops evolutionarily. DNA is a molecule with millions of atoms and only affects the cellular level. And if they are identical to humans, there is no reason to think otherwise here. This requires incredibly advanced picotechnology, maybe this is correct>>154289666 It is consistent with the fact that the only other users of smart atoms have been victims of high-tech experimentation.>>154287025There are blond Viltrumites
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>>154289763>>154289666OR humans are just viltrumites that interbred with Neanderthals. It's that simple. But why would they do that? I don't know.
>>154289763>There are blond Viltrumitesthat's thula. as to why she's blonde i dunno, I don't think ms pink hair in between kregg and randee ever showed up in the series either. wish she had, she looks hot.
>>154289822We can delve deeper into the issue of autism here, regardless of exactly how the mixing and dilution of Vitrumite ancestry occurred in humans. Eventually, Vitrumite DNA degrades over generations, but some remnants of purer blood may exist that would explain the myths about Hercules and Achilles, or whichever legendary heroes of antiquity performed feats of superhuman strength. Hercules was a human with a lot of Vitrumite ancestry.
>>154289847Humans Boys are buit for viltrumite girls.
>>154287583Can't skin color just be a mutation? Or selective breeding?It's like asking why isn't every dog white? Some are still blonde or dark black.
>>154289763I'm not a big fan of these comics anymore bcuz it's been quite gay lately, but the question of whether or not there was alien intervention is irrelevant but we can conclude that there definitely needs to be some common ancestor between humans and Viltrumites to explain why they are identical..It's quite difficult to accept this as a coincidence if you think about it for more than a few moments, as someone said before here.
>>154287179Literally every single alien in the show looks alien only viltrumites look human.
you can go with the viltrumites are ancient humans that flew off into space to colonize other planets or that humans are a viltrumite colony that branched off before the genetic experiments that turned them into what they currently are started happening.
>>154286958There were black viltrumites in the comic dumbass
>>154289989Another theory is that the Viltrumites dumped all their weak and underdeveloped Viltrumites on Earth, and these became humans, thus making humans non-native to Earth.
>>154287775The comic started in 2002Lucan appeared in 2005Not that anon but yiyr point falls flat when its been over 20 years since both things
OP here. Thanks for the theories and it makes a lot of sense to me. >>154289763>>154289666But I don't think a Viltrumite revolt was the reason for their rise. Such a revolt would certainly have been mentioned, right? Since You’re talking about Dragon Ball Z, they mention the time when the Saiyans revolted against the Tuffles, don’t they? I think such important information would have been mentioned.Maybe these ancient aliens who created the Viltrumites went extinct or abandoned the planet Viltrum, and the Viltrumites reverted to primitivism.Possibly they were wiped out by the threat they created for the Viltrumites to fight before they could use them? Assuming they were biological weapons. Or they exterminated themselves in a civil war, with one side possibly creating the Viltrumites to fight against the other. This all could have happened in a way similar to what occurred in the Transformers universe with the Quintessons originally creating the Transformers for labor. >>154290061I think if there's a retard here, maybe it's you. I never denied that. But it's true that many exhibit these specific phenotyps, and how that would imply has already been discussed here before>>154287583If you're going to insult me or take this personally, I'll give you two options: shove your cell phone up your anus or take a sedative. You and your friend above are the only ones who are really bothered by this issue. So, for everyone who arrived at this thread: imagine I never mentioned black or white, happy now? Let's continue with our theories.
>>154290172>you and your friend It's just some schizotard sameflag crying about this here it's the same guy from the Toy Story 5 thread, by the way.
>>154290093I think "he" (you) has problems with math. 2002 to 2005 is a not insignificant time lapse, especially for comics>>154289666I didn't understand something. Aren't the Viltrumites from an era before humans, according to the Hell episode? Then I think the colony theory is possible.
>>154290232Its not canon Only the comics metters at end of the day
>>154290232This episode is quite interesting. Although I'm not sure if he actually participated in this episode, I wouldn't doubt it because he always made fun of Christian elements If I remember correctly he even did a comic called Battle Pope where he portrays Jesus and a pope hunting demons or something like that. So this alien dimension and, ironically, a "Satan" advising Mark would be something he would actually do.
>>154290358Now that you mention it, I hadn't thought about it that way I think it's him projecting his worldview onto the universes he creates maybe the traditional concept of a benevolent biblical God doesn't exist, and I think there's only a strange tentacle alien that gets angry with Mark kek I never thought of thatThe series is more materialistic, maybe not as much as The Walking Dead
>>154289858I have to be that guyActually, many of the figures seen on Earth as "ancient gods" from Egyptian, Greek, Roman mythology, etc., are simply very ancient alien races that visited the planet in the past. Primitive humans didn't understand their technology or biology and came to worship them. Omni-Man himself mentions that the Viltrumites were once treated as gods.
>>154286958Sheeeeeesh, the SAGGERS on that one
>>154286958>I can't think of any other way besides an origin on Earth... maybe the peoples who diverged from humans went to space after a species of aliens went to Earth? Wouldn't it be simpler to assume the origin of human life on earth came from space in this setting
>>154286958>caucasianlol, they're closer to the meds/latin race than other europeans.
>>154287185no, its a depiction of rome, at its peak.>>154289763>"smart atoms,">smart adams>smart jewsbasically jewish led rome, i.e. catholic rome.
>>154289781oh yes, blue eyes and blonde hair, i see itretard
>>154289763>canonical>something never in the actual fucking comicFuck off with your death battle retardation
>>154293151Keep dreaming, paco
It's unfortunate how mentioning ethnicities caused many users to have nervous breakdowns...Why does this upset you?
>>154293205>>154293206Also, BLM!
>>154286958Is it just me or do the characters in both the comic and the show look ugly? The women all have man face.
>>154294150Because they have a worldview based on what they read on some small, orange sensationalist website somewhere. And in school they wrote essays about colonialism and systemic racism.
>>154293189>>154293206Retarded Go troll somewhere else, you worm.
>>154286958You have to consider that this universe has another race of humans who are werewolves and who were also older than humanity and who ruled the world.
>>154288036The Viltrumites didn't originally have flight or smart atoms.
>>154289781Based.>Bell Beakers in 2000 BC in Britain, after committing genocide and replacing the local population.>Aliens scouts saw potential in these creatures, but they clearly have limitations, though they possess a very abnormal destructive form.>They decide to collect some of these Indo-Europeans and take them for experimentation with smart atoms over time. >Being direct descendants of these ultra-violent Bell Beakers, they inherited the ideology of their ancestors and transfigure the Indo-European conquest of Britain as if it were on an interplanetary macro level
>>154294510While this may seem schizophrenic at first, there are some similarities I've noticed between Indo-European society and these Viltrimites that make me wonder if the creators read anything about it or if it was simply a coincidence. He mentioned England, it's no joke bros there was an overlap of almost 80% of the male population in these places at the time, and there are poetic formulas so specific, for example, shared in places as far apart as Ireland and India.. besides common myths, epithets, tales cultural elements etc also apparently they had a kind of proactive "assembly" where they discussed their migrations and even a reconstructed word for itThere was a specific, marginalized group in their society called Koryos, who were basically schizophrenics who dressed as wolves and went around conquering and pillaging neighboring tribes, and then the other tribe annexed those territories. They were literally treated as outcasts from society and were quite violent because of their atrocities they were even retarded bandits. Stand ready for my arrival, worm?Wait until you read some passages from the RV about these Indo-Europeans talking about massacring "dasas" and killing 30,000 people or something like that. (at least poetically lol)
>>154286958The strongest men alive today are western European so it makes sense
>>154294877This "ethnocentric" ideology of the Viltrumites may be similar to a supposed Indo-European ideology, where the latter, upon coming into contact with other peoples, somehow made them speak their dialects and follow their religion.Well, thousands of years ago, I don't believe that these contacts between such alien cultures (no joke, I swear) were peaceful and harmonious, you know?>>154289942I know what you're talking about this guide of implies that they're just humans, but not necessarily older
>>154294877>>154294510Viltrumite 100% BVLLS confirmed
>>154294877This was the most autistic and weird fanfic I've ever read (sigh) Please continue, I found it quite Kino-esque to be fair.
>>154286958Bad writing is the answer.
>>154289921AI
>>154295112Vilaryamite
>>154286958>All of these fine viltrumite specimens
