Who is the better tactician? Who is the better leader? Who is the stronger fighter?
>better tacticianScott>better leaderScott>stronger fighterScott
>>154296936scottstevesteve
>tacticianCaptain America, but he's not as ruthless as Cyclops, so it only comes off as more limiting.>better leaderPretty much everybody in the superhero community respects and listens to Captain America, even a good chunk of supervillains, he's the usual rallying point in both good and bad times.>stronger fighterCyclops is much more powerful individually because of his power, but Captain America is rated as one of the best fighters in Marvel, easily competitive in the Top 5, while Cyclops can't even breach the Top 15.
Isn't Scott part of a cult?
>better tacticianIt depends on the team they are leading. Scott relies a lot on prep time and developing strategies and maneuvers ahead of time. But that requires knowing which powers and skillsets will be available when the time comes, knowing who your team will be, and having contingencies in place for when those initial plans failSteve improvises a lot more with ad hoc teams and it's just as effective, if not more so>better leaderSteve is a natural leader and has gained the respect of various world leadersScott was kinda forced into that role by Xavier when he was just a kid. He's grown into it, but like the contingency plans he has to overcompensate a lot. He's earned the respect of other leaders as well but he also brushes up against them a lot more due to arroganceBut Scott is also willing to step up and become leader of the entire mutant community and make decisions on behalf of their entire race. Steve isn't willing to lead nations>stronger fighterCyclops's optic blasts are powerful, he's easily a better DPS with AoE attacks.But there are a number of weaknesses built in. Like the fact that they don't work against his own body or ruby quartzIf they fight eachother basically all Steve has to do is tank. Get in close enough to maneuver Scott's arm in front of his eyes and get him in a head lock, the way powerless Storm beat Cyclops back in the dayAnd Steve's shield would make that a lot easier
>>154296936When do these two become any of these things?For Cyclops, I've read Claremont's X-Men and some Roy Thomas and he never came off as a good leader or character.
Scott does what's necessary.
If Cap wasn't one of Marvel's big darlings he wouldn't stand a chance in a 1v1 against Scott.
>>154298151>Get in close enough to maneuver Scott's arm in front of his eyes and get him in a head lock
>>154296936>Who is the better tactician? CyclopsWho is the better leader? CapWho is the stronger fighter?CQC Cap, otherwise Cyclops
>>154296936>tacticsCyke by a mile>leadershipPeople don't challenge Cap as much. Scott is usually in the right but can't always command respect>fightpowers on? Cyke. Otherwise Cap is a super soldierbut Cyke is an order of magnitude more intelligent and quick on his feet than Rogers so it could go either way
>>154296936>Who is the better tactician?Steve>Who is the better leader?Scott>Who is the stronger fighter?Scott
>>154296936tactician: scott (cap has the benefit of having iron man and nickfury do a lot of the leg work on that part)leader: Cap (any other answer is wrong) scott is competent dont get me wrong and should always be the go to leader of the x-men but he doesnt measure up to capfighter: Scott, physically cap clears in any aspect imaginable but the 'punch force' is hard to beat
>>154296936Cap takes it all.
>>154299857>CQC Cap, otherwise CyclopsCyclops effectively uses his beam even in cqc. Or do you mean specifically hand-to-hand only?
>>154299633If Marvel could come up with a consistent rule list for Scott's powers instead of letting them do whatever they need to he'd be nothing.
>>154300158the latter yes, ineloquently phrased
>>154296936Scott's got a bigger bulge there
>>154298464This is why Scot's the better tactician but worse leader. Scott has a level of cruelty he's more than willing to indulge in, every time he's threatened total war he's absolutely would have pulled the trigger. He'll hem, he'll haw but he will absolutely lay waste to civilians and innocents if it's deemed necessary
>>154296936Captain America recently deflected Godzilla's atomic breathe, Scott ain't shit compared to that.
So does Cyclops's beam have recoil or not? Because sometimes he uses it to land safely after falling from great height or to move himself around during combat, but sometimes he unleashes giga beams that don't push him back at all. Is that just a case of the writers doing whatever?
>>154301003They are totally different kinds of beams. Godzilla doesn't shoot pure concussive force.
>>154299633Lol lmao. Scott is a zoner with decent to good H2H capabilities. Cap outclasses him physically with the SSS and has just as if not more experience fighting a diverse array of opponents. Also the Shield just hard counter's Scott's punch vision. If Scott can't end the fight fast Steve will kick his ass eight times out of ten
>>154301008Rule of cool
>>154301041People forget that Scott can let his beam bounce off all over the place to hit targets from behind or around the corner. The shield won't do shit. Scott could also just take off the visor and nuke the entire area.
>>154299927>Cyke is an order of magnitude more intelligent and quick on his feet than RogersNo, he isn't. Cap has been superhumanly enhanced in both mind and body. It's come up multiple times that he picks up on information almost instantly and can store, process, and recall on a superhuman level. Cyclops is more willing to do fucked up shit than Captain America to get things done, but that's not a matter of intelligence.
What's the current canon origin of Cyclops' beams? That punch dimension thing or his body storing and shooting energy?
>>154301029No his doesn't, Godzilla's beam blows up meteors, destroys city blocks and left a nuclear cloud twice
>>154301166You're really underestimating Cap, though I assume it's because you're a Scottfag/X-fag. Cap isn't some Hellfire Club goon that can be no diffed>Scott could also just take off the visor and nuke the entire area.Legitimately the best tactic only if he does this while rushing Cap down for H2H
>>154301001I really wish the Krakoa era had Scott let loose on the Arakki as a whole at least once, showed that he and the rest of the more militant mutants weren't nearly as soft as they keep being called.
>>154301979These days Scott's only got hands for teens.
>>154296936I would say:>Scott>Steve>Steve (but Scott is ultimately more powerful)
>>154301001>Scott has a level of cruelty he's more than willing to indulge inThat doesn't lend well to Cyclops being a better tactician, it just means he lacks scruples that Captain America possesses. Captain America tries to win the day with the least amount of casualties on both sides, Cyclops doesn't care as much, as long as he gets his victory.
>>154301029Post a time Scott's beam destroyed a black hole
>>154302281>Captain America tries to win the day with the least amount of casualties on both sides, Cyclops doesn't care as much, as long as he gets his victory.Kinda contradicts your point. Honor, morals Scott is willing to sacrifice that for a victory he will do whatever it takes to win. Cap will take the hard but right path which can and has made things difficult but he can at least sleep at night. That inherently gives Scott an advantage as a tactician but ironically makes him a worse leader
>>154297780Cap can be if he needs to be.
Cap
>>154298151>But Scott is also willing to step up and become leader of the entire mutant community and make decisions on behalf of their entire race.That he even believed they were a separate race was a betrayal of his character, nothing about that era when he was Diet Magneto was a positive.
>>154302892Yeah him being an extremist is a really weird take on the character.
>>154301166If Scott managed to get ahold of Cap's shield he'd be able to use it just as well or better because of his spacial awareness angle power
>>154296936they should have gay sex to improve human-mutant relations.
>>154303202Imagine him throwing it and then blasting it mid-air to either give it a push or to let the blast bounce off. Damn could actually be cool.
>>154303202I miss when this was just "he got good at the geometry Xavier taught him" and not treated as a power.
>>154302717>Kinda contradicts your point.No, it doesn't. Cap still pulls out wins despite his "softer" methods and with less bodies under his watch than Cyclops. Don't confuse brutality with superior tactical acumen.
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>>154302734He can be a hard ass, but typically he's not ruthless to the point that he's willing to allow people dying needlessly on his watch, even if they're the enemy. The only real example of Cap being ruthless is the evil version of him, and that version practically took over the world.
