since the last thread was deleted, i will ask againDo you think the 2003 series negatively affected how people see Teen Titans? And I'm not talking about TTG.I think the show affected how Starfire and Raven are perceived in later versions.
>>154313684Yes, but certain cartoon only fags will disagree.Not saying the show was bad, it's honestly great, and it is the main reason why TT is even so popular in the first place.But it did also accidentally force some misconceptions and ideas that people just assume apply to the original Titans that the franchise just can't get rid of.I liked the show, but I wish its general impact on the Titans wasn't so massive, and I wish we as a society could move on from that specific version of the team.
>>154313684No, “teen titans go” affected how people see the series more than anything else. It basically infantilized the entire franchise.
>>154313684I think Eddie Berganza and Geoff Johns did more long-term damage to the franchise than that cartoon could ever dream of.The cartoon only ruined Raven.
>>154313684I was 11 when the 2003 series started. I loved it.But then I saw "The Terror of Trigon" at the public library about a year later, which I liked more. I'd already read some of PAD's Young Justice. Geoff Johns' run on the comic was starting at this time. The Starfire of the comics was more like She-Hulk than Usagi from Sailor Moon, and this intrigued me. I kept an eye on the show, especially when Slade came back, but it wasn't as good to me then.I was basically transitioning from a cartoonfag to a comicsfag in those days. If not for that, I don't think I'd care as much. I'd view action cartoons from the '90s and 2000s the way Gen Xers see Superfriends.TTG keeps the voice artists employed, but I've never really watched it as it just looks shitty.
>>154313798TTTG exists because of the original Teen Titan show.It's a caricature of it, just like how the original show is a caricature of the comic Teen Titans.Pic related pretty much happened.
Wasn't Raven dead for over a decade until the show came out? She would be a forgotten character if it wasn't for the show probably.
>>154314018You're underestimating the impact and importance Raven had in the Teen Titans, she would've been revived at some point, she wasn't Pantha or Risk.
>>154313684I think the 2003 cartoon is what made the Teen Titans popular again and handled a few things better the comics.>>154313937I feel like the cartoon gave Raven more agency. A lot of times she came across as Diabolos ex Machina to screw over her friends in the comics.>>154313988The opposite happened to me, I read Judas Contract at the Brooklyn Public Library a few weeks or days before the cartoon came out. At the time I didn't know it was getting a cartoon.
>>154313684I think it calcified the team in the mind of people, Sort of like how the Justice League needs to have Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash and Green Lantern by default now people can't image the titans without the 5 members of the 03 cartoon.
>>154314254It also kinda fucked over the original Titan, specially Donna.
>>154314018She wasn't dead, she'd just gone full astral form after the Trigon Seed arc. This is why I blame Johns. Because if all you ever read was his work, you'd believe she was dead.
>>154314570>It also kinda fucked over the original Titan, specially Donna.>specially Donna.Dude, Donna was fucked from the very beginning and they just keep fucking her up after that.
>>154315300I meant in adaptations specifically, at least Garth, Roy and Wally showed up in the show in some capacity, Donna had to settle for a comic tie-in.
>>154314201In what way? The entire New Teen Titans run up through Terror of Trigon is all an exercise in Raven's agency. She's the reason the team exists. She's the driving force behind most of the major plotlines.
>>154313684By being the best incarnation of the team outside of the Wolfman and Perez run and getting more people interested in what was otherwise a lackluster comic series since said run?
>>154313684>Do you think the 2003 series negatively affected how people see Teen Titans?Yes. The audience it garnered is no different than the retards who continue to eat ATLA slop. And the Titans themselves haven't been good in forty years. Think on that; these losers peaked pre-Crisis.
>>154318884No
How would you fix the Titans franchise?No replacing the core team with legacy characters like Johns or Brombal. No introducing a full squad of OCs like Jurgens or Higgins. The only mandatory character is Dick.
>>154314081She probably would have returned but not in the current iteration. She was basically a non presence for a chunk of the 90's. She isn't in Underworld Unleashed, she has barely a presence in JLA/Titans: The Technis Imperative or Day of Judgement.Also her modern look is basically the one of Argent down to the skin, the character that was kinda filling her role in that period. lol
>>154313684Does anyone care? I'm like 30 and saw some of the original TV show as a kid. My understanding is that the comics are from like the 60s? They're just straight up not the same thing. What difference does it make (seriously asking)
>>154319337Reboot back to when Dick is a teen and the Titans get naturally fixed as a result. People want to read about the main Titans as teens instead of 30 year olds.
>>154314570Donna was screwed over way before the cartoon due to her backstory constantly changing.>>154319337I'd keep Brombal's team, since I like that roster and what he's done with them so far. Don't rehash Judas Contract or any prior storylines.
>>154315205Yeah, she last appeared in a cameo in Grayson's Titans and one in Jimenez' Wonder Woman run.Marv Wolfman intended to have her back to life as her classic blue self, hence why she appeared that way in the 9/11 special, but DC rejected his pitch and left that as an oddity.
>>154319866Wow, sounds like something Mark Waid would want.
>>154313684I'm a comicfag, but I never liked NTT. The 2003 cartoon was a vast improvement of the franchise.
>>154319612Everyone else does
>>154321166I meant the NTT era as teens. Modern stories with them as teens is something that the mainline DC comics have never really done as they were like 20 years old in those early NTT stories it felt like and were always written older too.
>>154321857>they were like 20 years old in those early NTT storiesThey we're 17-18, lmao.
>>154318884>And the Titans themselves haven't been good in forty years. Think on that; these losers peaked pre-Crisis.Dammit, you're rightWally West as the Flash was good for a while, though
I prefer other members but it was fine. It ruined them in the sense that norms can't see the titans without thinking of just those 5 + Terra.
>>154322462Dick turned 20 in 1984. He turned 18 in 1969 I think though.
>>154323450He was basically 18 years from 1969 to 1984. He at best turned 19 years in the NTT run, not 20. The thing is since the Five Fab generation was supposedly so close in age, Wally becoming the Flash and growing up as a hero and as a character throw off the time scale. And suddenly Dick was perceived as much older than what was intended to be. Arguably Donna marrying with Terry Long and having a kid caused the same issues.
>>154325163>And suddenly Dick was perceived as much older than what was intended to beWolfman is just terrible at writing young characters. Dick could have been twenty, yet his design and mannerisms felt more like an adult in his late twenties.
>>154326282Still, he wasn't twenty.
>>154313684Coolest teens I ever did see
>>154325163Gar was also originally the same age as Dick and co., but was de-aged down to 16 for NTT. Geoff Johns then wrote him as a young adult of early 20s in the BB miniseries, but then he got aged down further to 19 for vol3.
>>1543136842000s writers using them as cannon fodder did more damage.
>>154316288Donna was screwed by the Wonder Woman embargo.
>>154329177It's a mercy that despite Dan Jurgens joking about Risk being like the Black Knight and Geoff Johns promising there was more for Risk with him getting "arms", they didn't do much more with him...well up until they brought him back (minus an arm) to kill him (again?).
>>154313988milk.
>>154313684No.Because 99% of people born after the 80s have never at any point given a fuck about the teen titans. Without the TT cartoon and now Ttgo no one would give a shit.
