Vivziepop Won Edition
>>154316267>be Viv>real woman>put gay dude in a dress several months before TroonDAC finale airs>he's still a dude who just happens to crossdress occasionally>your show is the most-watched animated series on Prime>five seasons confirmed>best 2D animation of any currently airing show>each episode has banger songs>only cast pre-established troons as troon characters, so the audience doesn't have to worry about being rugpulled on gender shit>make Adam and Abel straight in direct defiance of faggot shippers>have an audience that discusses the actual plot of your show rather than just the pronouns of one character>be remembered as a kinda cringy feminist chick who can at least write outside of her own life bubble>be Gooseworx>tranny>everything your show will ever be remembered for is tranny shit>less than ten episodes>one song>bait-and-switch troon casting>entire post-series discourse is just about pronouns and tranny bullshit>be quickly forgotten as someone who had it all and threw it away for his own fetishesHow did she win so hard, bros? Is it simply the fact that she's a real woman?
>>154316267Honestly I could see Jax and Angel Dust getting along, with Angel Dust seeing through Jax’s bull.
I don't want to talk about troonworx. I only want to talk about whether Lute is Eve or not.
>>154316373>How did she win so hard, bros? Is it simply the fact that she's a real woman?I remember when Goose was throwing a tantrum about people being annoyed at how little screentime Ragatha got, and Viv used it as an opportunity to rant about how hard it is for female showrunners to have to deal with toxic male criticism.In hindsight, it almost feels like her having a laugh at Cooper's expense.
>>154316449>I only want to talk about whether Lute is Eve or not.It's been well-established that she is. Not sure what more there is to talk about, other than shitting on MatPat.
>>154316466Then Gooseworx gets revenge by stuffing Vivziepop full of fattening cake.
>>154316267No more new episodes to look forward to. There will be no season 2. No more new updates. /co/ mod will soon ban regular TADC general from the board. In a month or two, the discussion around this show will eventually die off. TADC will ultimately fall into obscurity in a year or so. The majority part of the fanbase will stop engaging and making new content and jump onto another FOTM show, and that will be the end of The Amazing Digital Circus. This show will become just another memory that will fade with time, like tears in rain.
>>154316517All deserved
Songs you’d put on the TADC soundtrack?I nominate “I Believe In A Thing Called Love” by The Branches(cover).
>>154316729This is the Hazbin thread, please go to one of your other 20 threads and leave us alone to wait for our 3 more seasons of content
Would Jax be hotter as a Punk Chick?
>>154316782I got confused since JAX was so prominent, lol.
>>154316782Do you think the series would have been improved if Amazon had given Viv her sixth season, or would that have just resulted in more self-indulgent filler?
>>154316840Since we've only just finished season 2 there's no way of telling at this point honestly.
>>154316267I don't know if you guys follow Broadway stuff but Jessica Vosk was just part of the original cast of a show that ended after like 20 performances :( I feel bad for her.
>>154316466What was the tantrum about?
>>154316894Don't worry too much. Hazbin Hotel will ultimately be the thing that immortalizes her.
>>154316929>about people being annoyed at how little screentime Ragatha got
>>154316373viv doesn't have autism
Adam is so sexy
>>154317622Especially when he gets bigger in Season 3.
>>154317622
We need to lobby for Adam to return as a Sinner, politely.
>>154316517GoodFag shit is keeping this ghost town imageboard afloat
>>154316373>Viv with one of the largest companies on Earth backing her vs Goose and a studio of small time creators that rely on merch to get funding
Imagine Angel Dust as Jax’s “coach”.
It’s been 16 days and I’m still surprised that Viv made Abel Straight
>>154317788Abel is straight because Viv doesn't want the backlash of Adam and Lute sounding homophobic when they call him a pussy. Same thing as when she want cast non trans actors as trans characters. Her crazy fans will get fewer LGBT characters because they act like this.
>>154317867>wantWon't. She won't cast them.
>>154317745Having a massive monetary backing Vs being independent shouldn't really affect your writing abilities this much. Viv is kinda stupid but not Gooseworx levels of Incest baby retardation.
>>154317867Abel should be bisexual. He’s got secret crossdresser vibes.
>>154317893>Based Viv
>>154317788>>154317867Lute might also be Eve. Having his mom not call him a fag seems the right call.
Angel could've saved Jax
>>154318319Jax would have a sperg out because Angel can dress as a chick and still accept he is a dude that takes cock up the ass.
>>154317910>>154317867I firmly believe he and Adam are straight because Viv, despite being a raging fujo and having 0 grasp of Christianity, felt some kind of existential dread. As if a higher power would make bad things happen to her if she further bastardized l 2 revered biblical men into canonical queers. Lucifer taking it up the ass could be excused because shitting on the devil is fine. Its the same reason why she's so hesitant in featuring Jesus or God.
>>154318350There is no way Peter hasn’t put his holy staff up Abel’s chonky butt a few times.
>>154318400Adam would kill him.
>>154316373It's ironic how a troon made a show reinforcing gender norms just because he couldn't keep his fetishes away
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>>154318486>I wanna be a tronlesbian so bad - Goose
>>154317948It would be a problem regardless if Lilith Eve is true or not because Lute would be his mom.
>>154318509goose isnt even a lesbian is the weirdest part, shes a monsterfucker, gumigoo is more her more type.
I hope Lute and Abel end up having a kinda Bambi 2 thing. Like when the Great Prince of the Forest realises he actually quite likes raising Bambi after trying to foist him off on other animals for weeks.
>>154318478Only if Adam knew, lol.
The only thing that has been up Abel's butt is Emily's large strap-on
>>154318557Viv has definitely watched this movie by the way because Alastor started life as a feral deer on a DeviantArt Ronno base
>>154316485Hmm, I guess there’s how it would be resolved.What I’ve got? Season 3: Big Reveal, climactic confrontation with the Morningstars by season end where she burns down Eden in a psychotic fit of rage.Season 4: Collaborates with Roo to flood the world in order to wipe the slate and start humanity again or simply end it all. May or may not heel-face turn thanks to Charlie and/or Abel. Might even have Sinner or Zombie Adam there to shake things up.Her fate by Season 5: exiled to an eternity in paradise in Eden — basically where Lilith was beachside — which for Lute, really does feel like a punishment. Maybe she’ll have Sinner/Zombie Adam there for companionship, who knows?
>>154318557>The first time Lute handles a son that doesn’t fixate on her sad bat cave>The first time Abel has a mom that actually encourages him
>>154318319Jax can be his new abuser
>>154318585I approve.
>>154318826We know, Sera
do ithttps://tiermaker.com/create/adam-ships-hazbin-hotel--19586215-2
Best Mom
>>154318877But Sera has a much bigger one. When she isn’t making out with Carmilla.
>>154316449She's Eve! Her VA spoiled it.
>>154318671Not sure about that last one.
>>154318478No, he wouldn't. According to Alex he'd be "really into it". The VA and an Adam cosplayer did this exact bit, Abel coming out to Adam LOL
>>154316449She isn’t. Lilith has way more foreshadowings on being Eve.
>>154319073Adam supports his gay ass kids even if he's not a fag.
>>154319098No MatPat. Pls go and cosplay as Jax elsewhere.
>>154319073Adam watches while Peter rides (and fattens) Abel.
>>154319098No she doesn't. Lute is Eve, And it's pretty obvious. In fact, Lilith being Eve has even less going for it now. The whole Lilith Rosie Eve thing was somewhat believable in season 1. But not in season 2. All that cemented that she is, in fact the real Lilith.
>>154317622i want to give him a backrub and watch his wings twitch as i work out all the stress spots. i want to watch this giant powerful man melt.
>>154319110HAH. No.
>>154319073Why does Alex think Adam would be 'really into' his son being buttfucked?
>>154319098>Headcanon Alert
>>154319189I don't know man. But he does.https://bsky.app/profile/saggingarts.bsky.social/post/3meufngbgb222It's funny because the person who posted this, SagginArts, is one of the crybabies that through a tantrum when Abel and Adam were revealed to be straight.
>>154319189Adam is a wild hedonist who literally got fat as hell.
>>154319180he's a canon straight ally. he wanted to make sure abel knew that none of the reasons he hates abel are because of who abel is, but because of what abel does. all the reasons adam hates him are abel's own doing and nothing he cannot control.
>>154319222What does being fat have to do with getting pumped that his son is taking it in the ass
>>154319237Correction, that's what Viv wanted to convey. Which, fair, creators word trumps all. But the guys idea of being a straight Ally is fetishizing lesbians. He's a kind of conservative asshole to say, he supports gay rights, he just doesn't want to see it in front of him lol>all the reasons adam hates him are abel's own doingWait are you the moron that thinks Abel is Lucifer and Eve's kid or some shit.
>>154319155
>>154319098>D-dog nose!!11>N-necklace!!1>Flashback!!1>m-muh card!!!Its Lilith. Lute is Eve.
>>154319286no i'm a lute=eve person i just also have insatiable lust for adam and pick on abel because it's funny. i was making a joke about abel being a pussy.>>154319293IT SHOULD'VE BEEN ME, NOT HER
>Season 3 finale>Lute meets Eve for the first time and for her. It’s like looking at a mirror.>Adam is back and just outright kills Eve after she tries to manipulate him again. >He unexpectedly takes in Lute, but with Lute exposing herself in the finale, he wants big changes for her and the Exorcists>Season 4>Lute and the Exorcists are pushed into Adam’s stupid reform program full of his sexism energy, and Abel is the mascot.>Lute barely tolerates it and how she is supposed to see the Exorcists as daughters now by Adam’s command.>He uses the beach Eve used to be on instead of the dark exorcist head quarters.>It does develop her to start caring about Vaggie and it becomes a big point of the plot because Vaggie does end up dying from the misfortunes of the season.>Season 5. Something something. Lute meets exorcist sinners and feels a lot of shame on her being the main reason why they don’t want redemption in the first place.>Also, Roo hates how Lute is developing and flat out refers to her by the name of the good Goddess. >It turns out Roo manipulated and/or corrupted Lilith, Eve, and Lute because she saw them as the manifestations of the good Goddess and a massive threat to her strong hold. >Charlie becomes the tragic final boss.
>>154319222huh
>>154319286He's not that guy since MatPat actually believes Adam loves and cherishes Abel. Which makes even less sense if he actually was Lucifer's kid.
>>154319322Why are you pointing out the counterpoints for me?
>>154319341>Headcanon Alert
>>154319293He's gonna eat her!
>>154319341What you wrote was complete crap. Never cook again.
>>154319366Lol. The fact that you think these are legitimate counterpoints. But then again, can't really expect much from someone who actually thinks Zestial is Caine. So at least that's reassuring. If someone like you thinks the Lilith Eve stuff, then that definitely means it's shit.
>>154319381He's gonna eat a specific part of her.
>>154319341Nah. Garbage. -5/10. Never write anything ever again.
>>154319412The arm she lost, when Sinner Adam finds it in the rubble of the Hotel.
>>154316267>Imagine getting a rimjob/blowjob combo from them.
>>154319322Is that actually the genuine evidence they go by? LOL
>>154319401Cain is the Bible character. Caine is from digital bingbongs
>>154319350i mean i also do think adam loves abel though it's just in that kind of awkward 'i already lost you once and it almost killed me so i can't let myself get close again' way combined with 'i love you but you've started to notice i never choose to hang out with people like you' kind of way. the love is there and real but there's never going to be enough of it and they both know it.
Twitter is throwing a shit fast about blackgryphon . I don't know what's more sad: the fandom being piss babies, blackgryphon pretending that the stuff he knew about Alastor is canon or the fact that the artist who animated his video apparently said that the victims he groomed were all liars. Is a fucking disaster. It's hilarious.
>>154319463Don’t correct fools.
>>154319466>Headcanon Alert
>>154319478The guy you're correcting believes Zestial is Abel's brother, and that Abel is some psychopath that wants to get revenge, and that Eve is basically Lilith 2.0. I think I'll take the spelling mistake over whatever the fuck is going on in that dude's head.
>>154317745Glitch offered Goose more episodes, but he told them to fuck off. It wasn't an issue of funding.
>>154319466My thoughts on their relationship upon the whole Lucifer factor. I think Adam and Abel try really hard to look like each other, even it’s just subconsciously.Like Adam is wearing his grey suit to match with Abel’s grey skin, but Abel doesn’t get it so he wears a grey suit himself.
>>154319552No fucking way. For real? What a fucking moron. That finale was so ass. And now you're telling me we could have had more? She could have fucking fixed the train wreck? I swear these creators are getting dumber and dumber by the generation.
Shush about the amazing boring circus.
>>154319466At best I could see him having some affection for him but it being dampened by the whole "that boy ain't right". Abel being a massive pussy and not acting masculine enough would have brought some feelings of disappointment.
>>154319556No MatPat. That's stupid and just your shitty fanfic.
>>154319472The groomer gotta groom
>>154319598I can't wait to see what he's going to do when season 3 demolishes His fan fiction. That and the shit fist on Twitter
>>154318585Emily's a futa. She doesn't need a strap.
>>154317910crossdressers can be straight
>>154319570Creators love to fixate themselves with porn instead of good stories.
>>154319623To be honest, I mean, if the whole amazing digital circus and Jax thing is anything to go by, he'll just stop watching it but he'll still spegs about his shitty fanfiction regardless. Close his eyes and his ears, as he currently does.
>>154319635Doesn't Goose have an inflation fetish.
>>154319570>She could have fucking fixed the train wreck?I'm not sure if just adding more episodes would've fixed it.
>>154319648I wonder if he'll reach his braking point and actually live up to his Jax inspiration to the extent he actually becomes Trans. Would be funny.
>>154319495definitely 100% headcanon. >>154319578yeah like abel's basically the meg of the family. adam's real favourite is obviously going to be seth because he's neither a bitch nor a fuck-up.
>>154319667Many fetishes actually.
>>154319667And a head drilling fetish, monster fetish, list goes on. Goose is an open book about all the weird shit he jacks off to and talks about it regularly on his socials
How old is Adam supposed to look like, visually? Mid-late 30s? >>154319711I picture Hazbin Seth kinda like Shaggy from Scooby Doo lol
>>154319740Visually? I'm not sure. But I do recall Alex saying that Adam is in his 40s. So take that as you will.
>>154319698I’m not an anime coomer. So that wouldn’t ever happen.
>>154319783Keep telling yourself that buddy.
>>154319798And what are you?
>>154319740i think about as old as alex brightman is, since he's meant to be based off of him. so late 30s since he turned 39 this year. i see the shaggy vision. i could see each of adam's kids reflecting some subgenre of rock. abel for punk (bridging to emo maybe), cain can have death metal, and seth can be psychedelic rock like purple haze.
>>154319807The fuck is that supposed to mean fagot. Aren't you the creep that was asking someone if they were a woman? Fucking incel piece of shit.
>>154319783You have an NTR fetish and an irrational hatred of women. Two Jax elements so far. Both you and I know were you're heading.
>>154319809Alex said Adam is in his forties. That he's a kind of guy to still wear his high School graduation ring.
>>154319809Given Lute and Abel, I think it's safe to say that the entire Eden family is a type of rock. For sure. I think Cain was the most like Lute/Eve, that's what Abel low-key suggests,
>>154319852Considering Lute's outbursts toward Vaggie that checks out.
>>154319835Of course he's that kind of loser LOL
>>154319881
>>154319835Wtf is a highschool graduation ring?
>>154319924Seriously?
>>154319902Stupid sexy gluttonous Adam.
>>154319924Are you being serious? It's a ring you get when you graduate high school. You get the year you graduated engraved in the ring.
>>154319953I don't think this is a thing outside the US.
>>154319835>>154319953lowkey i'm surprised adam even managed to graduate and not drop out.
>>154319924>>154319953In my country they just give you a diploma and you have to wear graduation robes with that specific hat. We don't do any ring business.
>>154319997It's not a requirement or anything. You can choose to gift it to a student if you want. But it's not something the school gives you.
>>154319902>you will never put a treat on your open palm and let adam approach and eat it like a nervous horse finally learning to trust youwhy fucking live
>>154319982Adam didn't go to school.
>>154320006I want to pour ice cream tubs down his throat.
>>154320019He went to the school of life (He had to punch a bear).
>>154319819Oh yes. Because I support a couple that is about moving on from the NTR chick that gets the NTR baby away from his horrible biological parents forever.
>>154320028my two favourite awful shitty cats who claw up everything and scream if they don't get their way always, i love them so much.
>>154316373>have an audience that discusses the actual plot of your show rather than just the pronouns of one character>be remembered as a kinda cringy feminist chick who can at least write outside of her own life bubbleSure whatever you wanna say to yourself
>>154320092Damn, you are a mess. An actual delusional mess. Good to know.
>>154320129Isn’t it crazy how the most feminist character in her show is Lute and her entire thing is that she wants to be dominated by a man?
>>154320092Tell me how you feel after taking Hormones. I'm genuinely curious.
>>154320157It's almost as though feminism is about women having agency and choice.
>>154320157Personally, I would have liked if she were to realize that Adam was a piece of shit to her. But people would bitch and moan about making it seem like all men are bad. Also it's clear they're not going for that with Adam. Plus their dynamic is really cute anyway. But it's pretty clear they're applying the feminist stuff to her (Eve) - she was said by Viv to embody feminine rage, which is a very specific term regarding how women feel/ historical oppression yada yada, and then her her song, of all things is salute by Little Mix? Which, I don't know about y'all, but that seems like the most out of character song for her, because it's specifically about empowering women and not needing a man. I'm okay with that though. I find it infinitely more fascinating that, albeit challenging, that she just genuinely loved a real piece of shit, and he wasn't the source of her grievances. Like I said, I don't have a problem if that's what they we're wanting to go for, but I'm also glad that's not the case because the lesbian Lute truthers would be having a field day with that shit. Real annoying.
>>154320207>Audition song is Salute by Little Mix>'feminine rage'>Jessica rqts Lute/Eve theoryOh yeah, this bitch is Eve. 100%. But I would say maybe they are going for something like that? If he's a caricature of misogyny, I'm sure it would have affected her in some way? But then again her being a pick me girl is pretty funny.
>>154320157She's gonna somehow accidentally deconstruct modern feminism. Lilith the feminist icon is gonna be an awful mother and person. She already got nerfed when Viv decided to make the independent woman who needs no man be reliant on a literal magic genie she hooks up with so she doesn't actually face any hardships. If Lute turns out to be Eve it's just gonna hammer home that the true icons of women independence are those that persevere through hardships. Her also loving Adam shows that you don't need to be awful to your partner to be independent.
>>154320244I think Lilith, Eve, and Lute are supposed to be different kinds of feminine rage.Lilith wants a husband she can choose that enacts her grand desires of freedom.Eve is the feminine rage that is tired of being blamed all of the time and doesn’t really see the value in Adam and her kids anymore. Her role is a prison to her.Lute would be the kind of feminine rage that never got to find love, likely because of a deceiving bad boy destroying her virginity (metaphorically, not literally), and it’s the sin held against her to justify it.
>>154320311>She already got nerfed when Viv decided to make the independent woman who needs no man be reliant on a literal magic genie she hooks up with so she doesn't actually face any hardships.This took me out. But you're absolutely right. I think Viv thinks Lilith as the Miss Independent Queen need no man, while Lute/Eve Is supposed to be the one oppressed by the system she upholds, which is actually part of her character's struggle (Viv confirmed this), to show how reliant she is despite being silenced. But by accident, she's deconstructing the entire concept altogether. She did definitely nerf Lilith in the sense that in this universe, she was only able to take a stand because of Lucifer. In her mythologies/canons, she just leaves on her own all together. That was already a big fuck up on viv's end. Not only that, but her woke Queen is a shit Mom. That's like sending the opposite message.
>>154320379Nah. Lute is Eve. It's really just that simple.
>>154320311It would make sense for Eve to be that symbol because she has real experiences of the feminine role (obedience to the husband, being a mother for a large family, etc.) and become very disgruntled from it all by the immense negativity.
For me, its Patrick Stump.
>>154320457That's exactly what's happening with her right now. The fact that she got showed up by her own son does not help things LOL
>>154320207>>154320244if adam's the only person who ever made her feel listened to and respected no wonder she never lets him go, regardless of how shitty he gets. it's also more of an indictment of heaven than anything else - like, just how shitty does heaven treat her if adam is genuinely all she has?
>>154320414It's MatPat. You are wasting your valuable time on him.
Oh my God, why are people trying to add an additional figure to the circle of Adam's wives. There's just Lilith and Eve. One left, one stayed. Adding an additional figure this late into the show, in the middle would not only be super cluttering, but it would actually go against what Viv said about not liking to introduce characters just to have them do their big thing and then die. She said she likes to let the characters simmer, for the audience to get to know them. That's literally what's happening with Lute. Adding anything else is just making it complicated for the sake of making it complicated. Same thing to the idiot saying that Lute has amnesia and doesn't know she's Eve. Take that wattpad shit somewhere else
>>154320311She wants to smash patriarchy (not even being ironic here) but she also wants to like. Smash patriarchy. Sexually
>>154320435i fucking love when adam is drawn as a creature. look at that thing. it's adorable. give him babies charlie.
>>154320492God damn it. Thanks.
>Oh God, I'm not ready for this *cries*Wut do?
>>154320435Adam having a breeding fetish ( is it even a fetish if that's one of the reasons he was created?) feels accurate.
>>154320534get pegged by Emily
>>154320518Welcome to 4chan. You can't block the schizos here, you have to raw dog em
The thing that does kind of worry me is that being that her audition song is salute by Little Mix, which specifically says a woman doesn't need a man, I'm wondering if they really are going to make Adam the source of her grievances? And look, I like their their chemistry as much as the next person but... He fucking cucked her lol. She could do better. Makes it seem like she has no fucking self-respect and is a doormat.
>>154320467Okay. Why would they use a corrupted Eve to make Exorcists then? That makes no sense to me.With Adam, Lilith, and Eve, they were form from the same dust and they could get a better sample for them by Adam’s dna instead.Whatever Lute is, she is the only sample they have of to make Exorcists and is meant to be their progenitor of them.
>>154320538he'd be into omegaverse 100%
>>154320554That's kind of a fair point. He is embodying the cis white sexist man caricature. I'm surprised she didn't make him out to be super irredeemably evil. Like, we're supposed to feel bad for him, and Eve was apparently his favorite wife so.... I mean that's cute? At least it means he didn't rape or physically abuse her?
>>154320558Nobody cares MatPat. We also don't know if Eve's from dust or Viv actually kept the rib origin ( I hope she did).
>>154320554could be a dark irony thing. 'gravity' loses all of its punch if she ends up going 'well, actually nah' later on though.
>>154320587That would straight up suck.
>>154320554She doesn't have any self respect though, look at her. Also Viv says he doesn't know she feels that way about him so he's not exactly doing it deliberately. If she made the moves on him and he reciprocates he'd stop doing it.
>>154320558>she is the only sample they have of to make Exorcists and is meant to be their progenitor of them.Exactly. She's Eve, the first sinner. What better else to use as the blueprint for The Exorcist Army than the first sinner. Why the fuck do you think they have an x over their right eye?>Matthew 5:29. “If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away.”She's Eve.
>>154320573>At least it means he didn't rape or physically abuse her?You guys mention this a lot. Don't think Viv will ever go in that direction.
Bros what if matpat is actually eve but has amnesia
>>154320584Viv didn't know St. Peter was a real person. I hope to fucking God. She at least knew that Eve was made from his rib. I'm assuming since it's his favorite food, it's in reference to that?
>>154320554>He fucking cucked herI think it's implied he doesn't know. Maybe some Sera fuckery since she is the queen of bad decisions. Don't really have the full picture yet.
>>154320584Why am I the only one who looks at the Exorcists and know they are a whole issue in themselves that shouldn’t be overlooked? The fact Adam named them suggests Lute never did.
What if matpat is actually Jax but has amnesia
>>154320622Who the fuck mentioned this besides this one person? One person in this thread does not make the entire user base, mat. Not everyone views Adam as a tragic hero. Cry me a fucking River.
I have amnesia who the fuck am i
>>154320663True true, but even if he didn't know she was Eve, is the implication that he was stupid enough that he didn't realize Lute wanted to smash? He was THAT dense? Or DID he know, and that was his attempt to place a boundary between them?
>>154320645Judging from the fact that Adam said "he loves ribs" she probably knows. It's a question if she actually goes for that origin or the ribs thing is just a reference but Eve is made out of dust in the show.
>>154320713My favorite theory is he always assumed she was a lesbian (just like her fans lol) and thinks she appreciates his conquest stories
>>154320681It's gets occasionally posted. Just an observation.
>>154320664The fuck are you talking about. Why would Lute name them? They are an issue but her being Eve doesn't contradict those issues. It exacerbates them. Which is the point.
>>154320753And? Eve gets called living living incarnate of the devil himself. Nobody bats an eye. Adam gets called a rapist and sexist, one of which is canon, the other is just as likely depending on the text/interpretation you're reading, and it's a problem apparently. All are equally valid.
>>154320744Wait LOL why does this make sense.
>>154320621Lute is just Lute. A lonely woman.> Why the fuck do you think they have an x over their right eye?Scarecrow theming and plucking out the eye that sins reference. The other exorcist masks Xs look like big worn out stitches. Lute’s X is a button eye. So it’s nearly a perfectly round circle in every scene. Lute hates sinners in particular, not a single winner. When the winners under Lute Eve should frustrate her so much more because they have shamed Eve for the original sin too, and still went to heaven as a forgiven winner.
>>154320744>>154320824canon straight ally adam strikes again - he thinks it's hot but he will NOT hit on a lesbian!
>>154320856This is actually really good though. I love this. Okay you've convinced me. Now I'm sold on why he wouldn't smash
>>154320846Correct. She is just Lute. Her backstory is that she's Eve. It's not an identity switch. Jessica already spoiled it.
>>154320744>>154320824Think about it.... the big dyke in charge gifts him an army of ultra bodacious babes but he's not allowed to smash...obviously they're all eating clam bake. Lute loves hearing about his babe stories she even high fives him. It's just too bad she's gay cause they vibe so well
>>154319672Meh, explain more about how the machine works and give at least one episode of real development to the rest of the characters to make it clear how "they are united and don't want to fall into abstraction" in contrast to Jax and his "I'm the victim from my point of view and I'm going to abstract myself" crap.
>>154320927They literally did not go into the lore at all. None of that was ever sold or touched upon. That is so ass
>>154320804You are weirdly invested in this. It's kinda odd.
Until he shows up, I’m headcanonning Cain being voiced by Richard Horvitz, complete with Zim’s listening problem:Cain: "Who are you?!"Lute: "I am--"Cain: "Who are you?!"Lute: (Annoyed) "I am--"Cain: "Who are you?!"Lute: "JUST SHUT UP, OKAY?!”
>>154320944And you're weirdly invested in Lilith Eve. What's your fucking point. You try to say the same shit on the last thread. You're not slick, and the whole, rules for the not for me but doesn't work for you.
>>154320897>lute: sir, could you please use this 'clone a dick' dildo kit?>adam: so you can show your best girl the best time? okay!>lute: thank you sir. now that and the halo are all she has left of him physically.
>>154320944Matpat shut the fuck up.
>>154320886No it isn’t. Eve Lute would’ve died like a normal woman, be taken to heaven, and not be Roo’d.If she ended up as a sinner, Heaven wouldn’t even bother with her.It’s the kind of narrative that only makes sense to Charlie because she’s very ignorant about how the lore of Hazbin works or immortality and longevity rituals.
So why doesn't Lute-Eve theory work exactly?
>>154320993Yup. She's Eve. Jessica already gave away the spoiler.
>>154321004Oh my God please don't get him started. He's going to talk about his fan fiction. Also he doesn't have an answer. You'll see.
>>154320961I'm not the Lute=Eve Schizo.
>>154320975I feel bad for her.
>>154321048Okay? I am a Lute Eve schizo.
>>154321004Lilith has more elements that she is Eve. Even just physically. And it’s implied that the Lilith we see in Heaven does slip into parts of her true form when Lute meets up with her in season 1. The Lilith we see also has never worn Lilith’s pearl necklace, and that accessory shown off in picture we see of her in the family photos and even Rosie’s statues.
>>154321048I also didn't say you were? I assumed you were trying to talk shit because I am a Lute being Eve fan
>>154320979I may be fucking stupid but I'm not retarded enough not to see troon Jax incoming or actually believes half the insane shit he regurgitates here. Just call me slur if you want because that's somehow more dignified than being compared to him.
>>154321004>>154321101The supposed evidence is just:>Pearl necklace>Tarot card >Flashback (idk why, this is just Lilith)>She glared when Lute called her daughter a bitch>Apple slices on her table...that's it. So as you can see, nothing substantial.
>>154321107I actually like the theory compared to the alternatives and hope it's the one that comes true.
>>154321122Thanks for the tip.You're exactly like Jax, to a T
>>154321101>in every family picture Note that the morningstars also look a lot more happy with her. Season 3 Lilith is extremely cold to Charlie to a degree that it makes you wonder how they would’ve been able to do these portraits in the first place.
>>154321148It's the most likely. I'm not just saying that, I mean literally it's the most likely based on all the interviews and commentary that has been said about her. Plus Jessica interacting with the tweet already puts it in miles ahead of Rosie Eve.
>>154319014The moment he yells "bitch, go back to the kitchen!">Finally, I've raised a complete man.
>>154321155You're already ignoring canon. Lucifer and Charlie talk about her, that she's always ignored meaningless things and people, implying themselves. She's always been this way. If there was a swap somewhere, it would have been abrupt. There is no identity swap. Because she's just Lilith
>>154320960>Sera: "Cain, for the last time, this isn’t about favoritism—">Cain: "It's about favoritism?!">Sera: "NO! It’s about—">Cain: "IT’S FAVORITISM, ISN’T IT?!?!">Sera: "I JUST SAID IT WASN'T!!">Cain: "ISN'T IIIIIIT??!!!”
>>154320534God he is such a sexy fatty.
>>154321151Dude if you can't actually tell who's MatPat and not I can't fucking help you. He sticks out like a sore thumb. He won't ever admit his shitty headcanon fanfic is borderline nonsense. That's how delusional he is. He'd rather derail the entire discussion then accept he's in the wrong.
>>154317248That we know of
>>154321219She has ADHD.
>>154321169Truly a proud mother.
>>154321213Think you responded to the wrong thing
>>154321230YOU HAVE ADHD
>>154321179Anon. “lilith” disappeared from them for seven years and willingly ignored them for seven years. They were on the stage about her not caring about them for about several years.
>>154321249Early Adam. His belly is still small.
>>154321263What does that have to do with anything. Again, you're ignoring the show. She has "always* been like this.
>>154321202
>>154321283>People will see this and say she's a great mom.
>>154321327Oh they 100% will. Or they'll excuse it. I mean people say Stella is within her rights to act the way she does with via, because she was forced into having a child she didn't want. This will absolutely happen with Lilith. Bet on it.
>>154321283Don't forget, Erica said that all Charlie has ever wanted from her mom was her affirmation and love and attention. She's always been this way. It's not new behavior.
>>154321283They’re using what they know of her to explain to themselves on why she abandoned them.
>>154321268his tits look great though. >>154321309MWAH MWAH MWAH HANDSOME MAN
>>154321327I mean people are bending backwards saying that anything bad that Lilith does is because of Eve. They can't accept that Lilith is a shit Mother.
>>154321369Except Lilith has been ignoring her for several years. That is enough for Charlie to be like this. And it’s worse because in her mind, her mom did love her and she doesn’t anymore.
>>154321347I'd be funnier if Lucifer Mpreg is real and he carried Charlie except we learn Lilith isn't infertile and she's just didn't want to gain pregnancy weight plus stretch marks.
>>154321373Okay, that doesn't even make sense but. Again. She's always been this way.
>>154321404I don't think you can read or listen. She has always been this way. What part of "Charlie has always wanted her mother's love, attention and affection" do you not understand. This is not new behavior. She's not Eve. She's Lilith. It's always been Lilith. Lilith is a crap. Mom.
>>154321413Anon. She left Adam and wanted to ignore him forever. They know this. And for them, she did love them and she doesn’t anymore for multiple years.
>>154321413>>154321448Don't bother. The guy is legitimately special needs. It can be spelled out and said explicitly and he'll still find a way to make it not seem that way. He just really wants the Lilith Rosie Eve thing to feed into his cuck fetish for Adam. It's a whole thing.
>>154321464>Headcanon Alert
>>154320157The funniest thing about Vivziepop is that she thinks of herself a progressive and most haters think that too. But one look at the politics of her shows specially season 2 of Hazbin you'll see she's conservative and an anti revolutionary. No matter how many trumpisms she gives Vox.
>>154321309Feeder Lute dreams of making him BIGGER and BIGGER.
>>154321448It’s a little bit of an exaggeration. The story in universe suggests they were seemingly a happy family at some point and Lucifer and Lilith were together for thousands of years together before Charlie arrived. The confusion is why there is a time Lilith acts like a total bitch and why there is a time she doesn’t.
>>154321686>It’s a little bit of an exaggeration.That is your headcanon.
>>154321686>Headcanon Alert
>>154321604Yeah she's weirdly self sabotaging when it comes to the messages she tries to convey. She's somehow unintentionally based.
>>154321827Why can’t I even talk about normal lore without triggering you?
>>154321912>Sera forces Lute to be an independent woman against her will>Will end in disaster
>>154321940Epic
>>154321604I'm probably outing myself here, but as someone who grew up around very conservative values and parents with an old-school mindset, a lot of her work / characterization feels extremely familiar. Certain things come across as being played "safe" in a way that's hard for me not to notice. Takes one to know one, I guess. Like how she handles queer relationships. Blitzø and Stolas are constantly allowed to be overtly sexual, messy, and in-your-face, whereas the f/f pairings often feel comparatively restrained. Some of the creative biases feel visible and obvious.
>>154321914>Someone disagrees with his fanfic and provides canonical evidence>MatPat: omfg why are you like dis?! why are you so triggered??!?!Tale as old as time
>>154322034Apparently he used to be a lot worse. He mellowed out ig
>>154322034Your entire thing is an absurd Lilith hatefic that’s incredibly ignorant of studying the whole family environment and background. And I hate this family.
>>154322008nah a lot of people shirk at the idea of messy lesbians moreso than messy guys. it's why spop got so much drama with catradora. i think it's a misogyny thing, women aren't 'supposed' to be like that and it makes people uncomfortable to see women be shitty. see everyone having a meltdown over charlie not being perfect in season 2, or lute choosing to be shitty with adam instead of being his grooming victim, or the idea that lilith might not have been a good mom, or stella in helluva boss.
>>154322142>Lilith hatefic MatPat I thought you hated women. Why are you defending the first one? I guess you were a Lilith gooner all along. Truly there has never been was a greater fall from grace.
>>154322225Oh yeah, def a misogyny thing too.>meltdown over charlie not being perfect in season 2,>lute choosing to be shitty with adam instead of being his grooming victim,>the idea that lilith might not have been a good mom,>stella in helluva boss.ameeen
>>154322229Says Lilith hatefic as if he's not riding a massive Eve hate train. Dude's banananas.
>>154322266>>154322225>>154322008Online lesbians are very vocal in their disgust of men. Lots of performative "I can't understand how women can be attracted to male bodies" and "lesbians actually love women in a sincere way while men are just lustful abusers that can't love a woman the same way". Because men can be pretty graphic in expressing their lust, lesbians want to be #different and claim that they don't have those types of barbaric feelings towards women, that their lust is more respectful and dignified. There's a viral meme of a lesbian saying she wants to get dirty and fuck a woman and then a Tumblr gay retorts "nah you don't mean that, surely by 'fuck' you mean plucking flowers and hair braiding, right?". It's a mix of wanting to be better than a man and having this repressed "women cannot be that ravenous in their lust, it's unbecoming"
>>154322979Lute's love for Adam breaks these people's brains. There's no way she's actually attracted to him right? They can't understand that someone as cool as her wants to be FUCKED. Not even by a bishounen or a crossdresser but by a full on hairy smelly average gross white man chud.
>>154323157
>>154323274Ahh just like the post-Eden days.
>>154323256Which is really funny when you realise Adam has a substantial female fanbase that absolutely lust after the chubby guy and want to be squished by him while they are getting breed. Yet the lesbian mind can't comprehend this.
>>154322281I subscribe to Lilith Eve because it has a lot more build up and makes way more sense with Adam’s character on catering to her and embracing her Purples.
>>154323322>Headcanon Alert
>>154323256Part of the pushback comes from the fact that people have a hard time reconciling Lute's personality with Adam's. On paper, she's a competent soldier: tough, disciplined, aggressive, and fiercely independent. Adam is crude, sexist, immature, and openly objectifies women. At first glance, you'd expect her to find him insufferable. Because that dynamic doesn't immediately make sense to some people, the assumption becomes that she must be brainwashed, manipulated, forced, or secretly miserable. Surely she doesn't -actually- like him. There has to be another explanation. This leads to people inventing an entirely different version of Lute where she secretly hates Adam, secretly disagrees with everything he stands for, secretly wants out, or secretly wants someone else. Because for some fans, that's easier to accept than the possibility that Lute genuinely cared about him despite all his flaws.
>>154323157CUTE!!!!! >>154323274god she would. >>154323318he really does! although i also want to peg him and see him pregnant so don't discount the fujos he attracts despite being canon straight too. (not with lucifer though adamsapple is shit unless it's girlcifer).
>>154323292Cute. I actually want them to have a wholesome relationship. Like they are complete assholes and psychopaths with everyone else but they act lovingly with eachother.
>>154323322> it has a lot more build up and makes way more senselol nope.
>>154323367This is so interesting because people seem to desperately want simplistic stereotypes that just aren't there in the show. They want the short haired soldier woman to be a lesbian, they want her to be the long-suffering second in command that secretly hates her boss. They've seen it so many times that they want it purely by reference to other media and not based on anything we're shown. See also: Fallenwings, which is a case of people imposed Catradora-esque dynamics on something totally different.
I want Ragatha to wear Jax's skin
>>154323449I think you're lost. Are you looking for TADC thread?
Bring me Abel
>>154323521>BRING ME ABELMAN
>>154323521s-saff?
>>154323521
>>154323442Yep. There's zero indication in the show that Lute and Vaggie were ever romantically involved. As far as I'm aware, that has even been addressed before in a patreon thing. Lute's issue with Vaggie is that she sees her as a traitor. That's the core conflict. Yet people constantly try to reinterpret it as a failed romance because that's the dynamic they're expecting to find. I think a lot of that stems from people struggling with the idea that Lute genuinely cared about Adam. There has to be another explanation. She was manipulated. She was brainwashed. She secretly hated him. She wanted someone else. Anything except the possibility that she genuinely valued and cared about him. Ironically, the character who actually embodies the "soldier who rejects authority and breaks away from the system" archetype is Vaggie. That's literally her story. But because Vaggie already has an established relationship and her arc isn't the one people are interested in reimagining, those traits often get projected onto Lute instead. A lot of fandom discourse works backwards that way. People start with the dynamic they want to see, then reshape the characters around it. The interpretation comes first, and the characterization gets adjusted to support it, rather than the other way around.
>>154323535That's his full name?
>>154323583no its abel thirdman
>>154323581i think vosk made comments about lute wanting to fuck vaggi, but that was also around the same time alex brightman declared that 'any hole's the goal' for adam and guitarspear was declared bi4bi. that's about it though, just voice actor jokes.
I want to kidnap Abel and make him my bride!
>>154323274
>>154323643>Abel says "Ew" and zaps (you) into dust.
>>154323581It seems people want Lute to be a duplicate all around. They want her to have Vaggie's thing or they want her to have Eve's thing but heaven forbid she actually be Eve herself.
>>154323623Jessica made a commentabout headcanoning Lute being bi back in 2024 on a stream. In that same year, Stephanie Beatriz gave a suggestive answer/gesture when asked about Lute/Vaggie: https://www.tumblr.com/bigbeanbear/766826927613001728/stephanie-beatriz-answering-the-audience-questionFast forward to 2026 SacAnime panel, she said Lute would sleep Vaggie at the end of the day.It's either a strictly-crew / inside joke thing or something did happen between them that gave both these actors the impression Lute and Vaggie were involved. My wild guess is that Vaggie crushed on Lute, unreciprocated ofc, before she saw how nasty she really was
>>154323623Adam did get confirmed as straight despite the VA headcanon (?). Could be a similar case for Lute. I don't really understand people shipping her with Vaggie though. She ripped out her wings and cut her eye out then deported her to hell. Do people really want abusive lesbians that much?
>>154323623Brightman is straight isn't he, or at least is married to a woman. He has a history of declaring the characters he plays as gay and I think he does it to make him look nonthreatening and woke. So funny that Viv overruled him and was like nah, Adam is straight actually.
>>154323735Nuh uh>*takes him into my basement*
>>154323788Abusive MxF? No.Abusive FxF? YesOne is abusive and the other is 'doomed toxic delicious yuri'
>>154323799He did it with Beetlejuice at least to sidestep the implication that he was hitting on Lydia.
>>154323811Hope you're poking fun at those people.
>>154323788vaggie is that boring it's the only way to squeeze life out of her
>>154323811I've actually seen people on Twitter say Guitarspear is toxic and Fallenwings is not because it helps them 'heal and be better people' (LOL)
>>154323801Yuh-huh>twerks smugly
>>154323918The cope is real.
>>154323753Some of the biggest Adam/Lute fans strongly reject the idea of Lute being Eve, even though the reasoning they use to explain Adam and Lute often ends up sounding a lot like Eve's traditional role. A common argument is that Lute was made specifically for Adam. That's why they understand each other so well, why she's drawn to him, why she's so loyal. Their bond is meaningful because Adam is the one person who consistently stood by her. But those are also themes that have long been associated with Adam and Eve. Eve was created as Adam's companion, his partner, his wife. In many interpretations, Adam chooses to share her fate and leave Eden with her rather than remain behind alone. Lilith is defined by leaving. Eve is defined by staying. People are perfectly comfortable with those traits when they're attached to Lute, but the thought of Lute being Eve, those same qualities suddenly become evidence against it rather than in favor of it.
>>154323811i think what they want from vaggi/lute is the 'how can you ever love me after what i did to you, i don't deserve you, you were always right about HIM' etc ego stroking type shit.
>>154323859110% absolutely. I hate the double standards. it's why despite being not-straight myself, i don't like to rlly talk with lgbt spaces - i know, so progressive of me.
>>154323952Yeah for some reason they want to add a middle man situation when there's no need for one. Lute is Eve. It's just that simple.
>>154323952YES. This is what confuses me. People will say Eve's feelings wouldn't count because she was created for Adam, but then turn around and argue that Lute was created specifically for Adam and that's why they work so well together. It's the same dynamic??
>>154323989Yeah I don't understand the delusion. She literally got permanently maimed by Lute. No amount of talking things out is gonna resolve that. Especially after the flashback were it was shown who was the main disciplinary when it came to the exorcists.
>>154324006It literally is THAT fucking simple. It was confirmed in a patreon thing that Eve and Adam are already set up - they're not introducing any more biblical characters, meaning Eve isn't going to be a brand new character. Rosie is still in the ring technically, but given that Jessica reposted that tweet... like, yeah, obvs it's Lute.
>>154324062>>154323989You know for a fact if it was hetero, it'd be allll sorts of abusive. But bc they're both women it's cute toxic yuri uvu
>>154324037If you were so inclined you could even argue that Eve ISN'T the perfect partner created for Adam because that's Lilith, his true equal, and Eve is the second try - smaller, weaker, bloodier, made form gore and bone instead of the dust of creation.
>>154323952>>154324037People want a divorce overcome love arc with the guy that was divorced twice in a row.
>>154324062I would prefer a development with Lute in how she sees the Exorcists. She’s effectively their mother and doesn’t really realize it.
>>154324119Honestly it would be interesting if the whole perfect partner thing was just psychological. They just made humans. They work out? Great. They don't? Make a new one. Adam got a new wife cuz he didn't leay the garden. If the second didn't work out they probably would have made another one.
>>154323931>spanks you
>>154316434I mean both love guns
>>154324188*leave the garden Kill me.
>>154324196FoolYou have just broken your hand for I have BUNS OF STEEL.
>>154324119You could absolutely expand the lore and play around with it. The idea that Lute is some sort of third attempt after Lilith and Eve isn't bad, or that she's some sort of clone.. You can make that work. The issue is that people often theorize as though Hazbin has unlimited time to explore every possible layer of that. It doesn't. This isn't a series with 20-30 episodes a season. It's eight episodes. A significant chunk of each episode is dedicated to musical numbers. There are already a dozen major plot threads competing for screen time. At a certain point, narrative economy matters. Lute being Eve is the likely option. Whether people like it or not, it's simple, efficient, and immediately recontextualizes a character who's already deeply embedded in the story. It doesn't require introducing an entirely new player halfway through the game. And if we're being honest, Viv's writing has generally favored straightforward emotional reveals over labyrinthine mystery-box storytelling. Eve imprisoning Lilith, stealing her place, living her life, fooling Charlie, fooling Lucifer, fooling Sera, fooling Heaven, and fooling the audience is certainly.... a thought. But not likely given everything that's been said/confirmed/shown in the story.
>>154324273>The idea that Lute is some sort of third attempt after Lilith and Eve isn't bad, or that she's some sort of clone.. You can make that work.You could make it work, but it'd be odd that the third attempt at his wife isn't, y'know, a wife.
>>154324273Not only that but again, jessica already spoiled it. People don't care bc Lute isn't a main character like that, or really that popular outside a handful. That alone already places her as the strongest candidate for Eve. The 'she's not who you think she is' is just not-so-subtle cock teasing. She's an important part with the arc of Heaven and Hell, she needs to simmer, she's severely traumatized... It's beyond obvs.
>>154324178Somebody did point out that if Lute is Eve it could shed some insight into her dynamic as a parent by how she treated the exorcists. She's the one to dish out punishments when they don't live up to her standards while Adam just chills in the background and doesn't really intervene. Could be a twisted version of how they dealt with their kids.
>>154324247god i want a pair of them so bad but they're so expensive on ebay.
>>154316267I appreciate this being the new heaven thread>>154323544No that's not me >>154323521 but I forgot that used to be my catchphrase. >Why are you here?/co/ has always been my home board. I'm usually here. >Why post now?I wanted to test my trip code. I'm surprised someone mentioned me so cool, gotta wave back. I'm too busy to post these days. Gotta stay locked in.>Who are you?I just like da angels
>>154324332She also has a love for uncut cock. Very obvious foreshadowing.
>>154324346Good to see you. If you're dropping out again, safe travels.
>>154324338As a Lute/Eve schizo... yeah she's 100% projecting onto those girls. Why do you think, in a meta sense, she was made to pick out the one girl that looks the most like her (they all do, but that one looks especially like her, eye shape and even the bang-lining)? The girl had a toothgap too, like Abel. She's also called Abel, Vaggie and Emily weak several times: my best guess is that she used to be like them. Soft. In leaked audition sheets, she outright starves them and demotes them. Projecting hardcore af.
>>154324346Saff, what's your opinion on the Lute=Eve theory before you go?
>>154324273Eve already succeeded by the time she finally visits Hell as “Lilith” in season 3. Movies are about an hour and half. Season 3 is two movies long and 2 already given us a glimpse of collided chaos between the forces of Hell and Heaven.
>>154324373What really got me fixated on the board right now is the TADC finale. I'm still not over episode 9 discourse. That, and I'm procrastinating. My deadly sin.>>154324401Don't like it and don't believe in it. That being said, why is this thread mainly angels? Did the heavensisters colonize this place? I thought there would have been more Vees or Alastor.
>>154324552Oh yeah, I forgot you're a Lute/Abel shipper.>Why is this thread mostly angels?Because it's based.
>>154324338I don’t think so. Lute’s entire insanity is all about sparing sinners and nothing about humans or winners.That she must’ve met a sinner that acted all nice, screwed her over massively, and now looks at any exorcist that dares to even incite the sinners as persons worthy of mercy as her past self. So far, nothing else makes the trigger for her.
>>154316267It’s so fucking absurd to me, with how bad Hazbin is and how good TADC was at the beginning, that after that finale, my only thoughts are “I hope the next season of Hazbin is better” and “I’m fucking glad that TADC is done and dead”.I’m terrified that Gaslight or Guinevere are also gonna shut the bed near the end. At least Gameoverse is already dogshit so I don’t care about it in the slightest.
>>154324470Eve is not impersonating herself as Lilith. Eve is Lute.
>>154324618>Headcanon alert
>>154324552Yes the thread is mostly heavensisters but for the most part it's different ones from the days of /hbg/. These threads are kind of their own self contained thing.
Never ask a Lute/Abel shipper what they think of Lute being Eve LMAO Instant trigger
>>154324732Abel and Lute is such an ass, forced ship. Vaggie and Lute have more 'romantic' chemistry. Also, the canon setup is between Abel and Emily.
>>154324752It’s less forced than Lute loving Adam because she’s Eve.
>>154324791It's not. Also who said she loves Adam because she's Eve. So you're reducing Eve by default. She chooses him, just like he chose her. Don't be retarded.
>>154324791It's not forced for a woman to love her husband.
>>154324791>Eve, made for Adam>Lute, made for Adam>"omggg if she's Eve she only likes Adam because she was made for him!111"
>The greatest threat to Roo is the reforming of sinners and exorcists
>>154324846I doubt Lute was made for Adam. She feels like a completely unique project thrown to Adam. And Adam was slapped on to it.
>>154324579It's not so much that (I usually like Serapherd these days but holywarrior has its place for me) but I've always liked the Eve is Roo headcanon. I sooner give more plausibility to Eve is pretending to be Lilith. Looks like Matpat has been duking it out with a nona over it. They should hug it out. But what's more likely is this is all misdirection and all these women are their own individual. >>154324722This thread might as well be /hbg/. Mildly tempted to do a dub roll draw request. Or not, dunno.
>>154324853I would say so, since sinners who are killed are by angelic steel (getting permakilled) get reabsorbed into the Hell's landscapes - that's what all the eyes are. It powers her.
>>154324883Not really.
>>154324913There is no in-universe evidence that Roo and Eve are the same being. A former employee also stated that they are separate characters, and even the original leaks treated them as separate individuals. Roo is the Evil entity. The confusion seems to come from how people interpreted those leaks. What was described was Eve being defeated, followed by Roo being revealed as the larger threat. Somewhere along the line, that got translated into "Roo is controlling Eve" or "Roo is Eve," even though that's not what was actually being said. The fandom largely merged them together through interpretation, not because the information itself ever claimed they were the same character.
>>154324941Have you looked at the buildings? Adam’s is newer and smaller. Attached to to that exorcist den by a finicky bridge.
>>154324791How is that forced? If anything, it means, sure, she was made for him, but even after being granted the gift of free will*, she still chose to be with him after literally thousands of years.Bruh, that’s the greatest love story ever told.* I imagine when Eve was created, Heaven overcorrected by basically making her a mindless grinning robot, which is probably WHY Lute felt compelled to give her the apple in the first place.
>>154324913>I've always liked the Eve is Roo headcanon.I've always thought you were one of the best posters and miss having you about but I'm gonna keep it ice cream cool with you: I think the Eve is Roo theory is dogshit
I have it on authority (i will not elaborate as i do not wish to dox myself) that mimzy is eve and it will be revealed in the finale of s3
>>154325034Really? Because I have it that Niffty is Eve. Your source is fucked up.
>>154325007*Lucifer. Why Lucifer felt compelled to give her the damn apple.
Sequentially, Roo comes before Eve. First there's Roo/Evil and Good, then humanity enters the picture. Eve comes later. They're not even occupying the same place in the cosmology. On top of that, the silhouettes don't match. Making a primordial embodiment of Evil be the human woman who ate the fruit is beyond stupid. Roo is the (or inside) the apple.
>>154325099That same former employee said Roo = Root of all Evil, on account of Viv taking insp from the fandom, as she always has, and the Good entity is named 'Ray of Hope'. That's the name she pitched, anyway. But no yeah.. Roo is the Evil Goddess. To think she's Eve is retarded
>>154325099I think people are misunderstanding the story a lot.Roo used Eve as the vehicle to corrupt earth and hell.
>>154325138Literally. Eve just opened the door for Evil to come in.
>>154325137Ray of HopeSo that’s what Lilith and Eve were supposed to represent.It’s no wonder Lute was made with the eye of god halo.
>>154325165No? That's never been said. and Lute is Eve, actually.
>>154325153Kinda. Eve became its door.
>>154325180No. Roo was in the apple, the tree - look at the color. Her essence / body / whatever is in it, or it if you will. She was being contained there probably by the Elders/Heaven since it was confirmed they were fighting this entity long before they created Adam and Lilith. Eve took a bite and let it in. They didn't merge and become one being.
It will turn out every woman was Eve except Lute
>>154325203And Lute was Lilith
>>154325203Nah: https://x.com/cyjammy/status/1751608597929234504?s=20
>>154325202I said door.
>>154325216>https://x.com/cyjammy/status/1751608597929234504?s=20Isn't Lute Jessica's first voice role, ever? yah novice mistake. you can see why she did and then deleted lmao
>>154325234Good point, she's a stage actress and musicals are self contained. There's no real spoilers in broadway musicals.
>>154325274Watch her interviews too: you can tell she always wants to say more shit but can't lmao.
>>154325216>>154325234Even if this just meant Lute wasn’t actually Eve and she was trying to be cheeky, I genuinely do find it mega retarded for her to interact with these posts in the first place about two mystery box characters.
>>154325274>Good point, she's a stage actress and musicals are self contained. There's no real spoilers in broadway musicals.That's been my suspicion for a while. That she accidentally referenced material from a later season because she already knew where the story was headed. Then production plans changed and the timing moved, being that Viv confirmed they pushed the Lilith stuff to season three after they were greenlit.
>>154325341>Even if this just meant Lute wasn’t actually Eve and she was trying to be cheekyThat's literally not what that means. Nobody reads it like that unless you're Mat.>two mystery box characters.It's the same character. "She's not who you think she is." It's Eve. That's her background.
>>154325376I think the plot of season 2/3 was about Lute and Eve being the prime antagonists. Since the deleted post was particularly on them and them definitely not being the same person (cause they are in the same room). It makes the most amount of sense.
Mat's logic is that jessica specifically sought out the Lute/Eve theory, despite it not being a thing that was talked about in the fandom, to reaffirm it's not true and that the devil emoji means Lute is a demon.
>>154325451... what
>>154325433>them definitely not being the same person (cause they are in the same room).Sighhhhh. No, the Lilith in Heaven is not an evil Eve shapeshifting as Lilith. Get a new bit.
>>154325451Mat thought Leonardo DiCaprio was female-to-male transgender so take everything he says with a grain of salt.
>>154325234Aww, let’s cut her some slack. First time doing a voicing role and all.How I see Lute!Eve and Abel’s relationship going by Season 4:> Abel: “We have each other, now. We're family.”> Eve: (puts her hand to Abel’s face) “Oh, Abie... you're no Cain.”
>>154325508I'm sorry, he thought WHATyou're fucking with me.... right???
>>154325512Oh no no no, I love the gal. I know it's not the best idea to parade what she did around, in fact, I'm glad for it since it's my favorite theory. She always looks excited when talking about Lute.
>>154325523It’s a big club. And you’re not in it.
>>154325552:(The more I learn about the schizo lore the more and more confused i get.
>>154325523He's not a meme schizophrenic, he is actually mentally ill. We keep telling you. He had a paranoid phase over the Hazbin Hotel /trash/ threads a while back where he thought most men he saw were FTM and most women were MTF and singled out DiCaprio as an example of a transgender conspiracy in Hollywood.
>>154325585Don’t worry. You can find the Leo conspiracy video straight from YouTube.Now go back to Hazbin Hotel.
What do they taste like?
>>154326056Lute’s garbage will be ginger.
>>154325014At this point, I only shrug.I said I wouldn't take any draw requests but I whipped this up real quick. Not that I believe she's Eve but it seems to be the thread theme. That being said, I hope this thread isn't always the same argument. That would be super boring and stale (and it isn't like anyone would change their minds)
>>154326083>Forgot trip Damn
>>154326075I like the taste of ginger
>>154326083I hope Lute develops that hair style.
>>154326056>you will never taste adam's delicious milkwhy fucking live
>>154326124You both have awful taste
>>154326158i hope we get a flashback to adam looking for eve, then finding her in distress at having cut off a huge chunk of her own hair. either she talks about or there's a wordless depiction of lucifer and lilith running their hands through her hair when seducing her into taking the apple, which drove her to want to cut it all off out of trauma. adam takes out a knife and carefully, if amateurishly, evens the cuts out into a messy bob. then adam runs his fingers through it and says it looks cute, the same way lute touches her own hair in gravity during the 'the only soul who's ever completed you' line.
>>154326083Based based based thank you Saff
>>154326169
>>154326285my goat...
>>154326158Long hair Lute is always nice
>>154326169Do you prefer the sacred daily ritual of milking him by hand or do you take it directly from the source, lips pressed against the soft warm teat?
>>154326312whichever he wants, i would never dare to presume myself.
>>154326308>Lute after Adam imprisons her to the beach.
>>154326378What are they doing on a beach?
>>154326375He would prefer it to be taken direct from source day-to-day. It's more intimate and makes him feel needed. Plus he likes feeling up his partner's body. Milking him with a bucket is kind of degrading and he can get into that but he needs to be in the right mood.
>>154326437Adam is keeping her there because it’s the only way for hell and heaven to be happy.
Do you think Adam nursed Eve in Eden...
>>154326550No, the opposite.
>>154326576He was probably having a moment of non verbal understanding with Caine when the two locked eyes while nursing from Eve.
>>154326576They both did it for each other because sharing is caring.
>>154326507Huh.
>>154318554I thought gangle was her type
Vaggie is the Zooble of Hazbin Hotel.
Feel it up with novocaine...
What did they do for Father's Day?
>>154321386>They can't accept that Lilith is a shit MotherWhich as I like to reiterate, is something I don't understand. Sure, after season 1 an argument could be made that Lilith is in some way good, but after season 2 and everything Vox said, is much harder to justify. Even if Vox was exaggerating, he wouldn't have made it up out of whole cloth and there would be some truth to what he said about her.Like where does this whole "Lilith is actually good" conceit come from? Is it because Lucifer was (or at least appeared to be) more sinister in the pilot and wasn't in the show, therefore the same applies to Lilith?
>>154328448Even with the Rosie Lilith reveal, I wouldn’t be sure if Lilith is good. Like maybe Abel was supposed to be the perfect Roo child (Lucifer is the most op angel, has the image of Ray, born from Roo). It failed because of Adam. And then Charlie was the success she always wanted. So when Lilith saw Alastor, she looked at him as the near completion of her dream child.
>>154328448It's not even just Vox. One character saying something negative about Lilith can be dismissed. But then Lucifer and Charlie say she's always been good at pushing people away. Charlie desperately wanting her mother's love, attention, and approval. Erika outright said that's all Charlie has ever wanted from Lilith, and that those issues are severe enough to cause Charlie to regress next season. I think a lot of the "good mom Lilith" idea comes from older pilot-era assumptions, Faustisse comments that are no longer considered canon, and the fact that Charlie originally looked to her mother for comfort. The actual show seems to be telling a different story. Even in the pilot, she /looks/ not-so-nice in the photos (one of them is straight up her side-eyeing her daughter) and even now, in some of them, Charlie looks visibly uncomfortable. That doesn't mean Lilith is evil or malicious. But Charlie's behavior points to a mother who was emotionally unavailable, absent, neglectful, or otherwise failed her in some significant way. I think that always was the case in the pilot. But you know how fandom is with the Hazbin pilot... piled on assumptions that weren't true to begin with...
>>154328569what the fuck are you talking about
>>154328615What I’m saying is that the real Lilith wanted a particular child like Charlie from the start, and it could be one of the most sinister narratives in the show.
>>154328687Lilith is Lilith. There's no fucking subterfuge going on and no, her bangs, her nose, "Adam wearing teh purple!11", her necklace is not evidence of anything.Moving on.
>>154328569>Headcanon Alert
is co an adam board?
Adam is the real mascot of the show.
>>154329242lol not anymore. that man is roadkill.
adam did nothing wronghe is just a silly
> What is the strangest fan theory you've seen for Hazbin?Vivienne: There's so many. I mean, you know what's funny? A lot of them are actually really good. That's why I'm, like, trying to think, because there are. There's really silly ones, and I'm just trying to think. Have you seen any silly ones?Sam: In terms of silly ones, I don't know. The theories that I've seen that make me go, “Huh, that's interesting. It's -wrong,- but it's interesting,” is— I will once in a while see theories that people believe, two very different characters are actually the same character at different points in time.Vivienne: Yeah, that's probably, like, the safest answer. Because, yeah, I genuinely can't think... Like, I know... I've seen some, like, really, really, like, goofy ones in terms of how the lore works or just how things are laid out. But, yeah, I think... I mean, yeah, most of the theories are, like, either really close or, like, really, like, “I can see how they got on that, like, track,” right? But, yeah, I think the silliest ones are, yeah, like, this character and this character are actually the same character. And it's, like, no. Most of the time, you know... It is what it is, at least in… there's two physical different characters. You know, if there's two physical different characters, there are probably two physical different characters. Yes.
>How does death work in Hell exactly? If a sinner kills another sinner, do they respawn or is it more complicated than that?Vivienne: The easiest answer is, yeah, they respawn because you can't die in this hell universe if you are a sinner. If you're a hellborn, there's a different conversation, but the show's not super about that, but just because it's part of the lore. But if you're a sinner, you cannot die unless it's an angelic weapon. But the sinners have figured out how to utilize that and kill each other. So there is a hazardous existence in hell, but that's not as widely— you know, like su— you know, it's kind of like a luxury thing. So like only like the higher level people I think have that stuff. So most when they die, they respawn or they pull themselves together, and they, you know, it kind of adds to the torturousness of the existence, I think, that you can just get hurt constantly but not quite die, and it's such a hazardous world. But then there's that element of, like, crime where there's, like, this black market and this high-end level of, like, angelic weaponry that can kill each other, and so it's still dangerous, you know, and there's still threat. So it's fun. It's a fun, horrible place to be.
>>154329367> You know, if there's two physical different characters, there are probably two physical different characters. Yes.Basically Lute Eve in a nutshell.Lilith Eve makes sense because the “Lilith” we see struggles to look like Lilith. Very bizarre.
>>154329405lol cope much much muchhh harder
>>154329405>Headcanon Alert
>>154329162Always hazbin
>>154329367Oh yeah, Rosie / Lilith DOA
>>154329419I’m saying Lilith is Eve because of how physically different “Lilith” is from the real one
>>154329550>Headcanon Alert
>>154329301>that man is roadkill.I refuse to accept his death.
>>154329665Sucks to be you.
>>154329955rib-sized wife
>>154320534Knock him up anyways, duh?
>>154319698>>154319783Apparently according to himself, his brother already trooned out irl
>>154316373Nooseworks turned his back on his deviantART cringe past while VivzieGOD embraced it.
To be real tho Alastor and Jax remind me of each other, douchebag character billed as one of the protagonist but not THE protagonist basically takes over the show from the female protagonist... though I think Jax ends up doing it more than Alastor so far with just HOW much he dominates the whole back half of the series.
>>154332706Do you believe Goose when she says that him and Pomni were the main charas, or think she changed her mind halfway into the series?
>>154329162Hazbin Hotel is a show about Adam, the guy from the Bible, and his relationship with the scary little angel Lute who may also be his lost wife. There are some scenes involving demons for comic relief.
>>154332831yeahhhh.
>>154316267>tranny kills himself>enters hell
>>154332831
>>154316267>>154316373>>154316466>>154316929>"My name is Caine, I am your bitch"
>>154318551Wait, but a cissy would be like cisgendered sissy, right?
People are pretending to like vivziepop now?
No TADC in the next OP please, it's attracting too many amazing digital tourists
>>154319570What would that have realistically looked like though? At least with regards to pacing, the characters didn't have any pressures for confronting themselves before Caine started his own breakdown.
>>154333548Yeah big mistake. Should have either used a generic Adam and Lute or a funny image related to the show.
>>154333544We kinda find her more respectable when her competition starts trying to out do her when it comes to dumb decisions.
>>154334274How many buns does she have in the oven?
>>154334454Just one but the baby is massive.
>>154334482As expected when Adam is your baby daddy.
>>154334482Hey I've seen this one before.
>>154334498
I like how Adam isn't as visually frightening as Vox or Alastor and doesn't command the same level of fear among his people (can you picture Vox casually in a McDonalds without everyone around him being nervous? no) but he can still curbstomp both of them.
>>154334669Realistically Adam would be the most intimidating in real life because of how big and wide he is. Al and Vox are built like twigs. Adam would be pretty scary till he opens his mouth and starts talking.
>>154334719They probably should have shown him in Hell more since he was supposed to be the terror of the Pride ring for seven years. As it is we mostly saw him in Heaven interacting with other angels where obviously he's way less intimidating.
>>154334669>>154334810would've been cool set design if there were a bunch of weird unexplained trenches dug into the streets of the pride ring that people have to navigate around, and then when we see adam launch his fuck-you beam it twigs that those are all his doing. people not being afraid of or intimidated by adam and lute in full uniform (and i think some even smile when they see lute manhandling him, like in a 'aww they're so dating' way!) also kills the idea that adam was awful to everyone though. he was minimum fifth-date-capable, he had a band - if anything there should've been parasocial fan crashouts like whenever a toxic youtuber gets outed for being creepy with fans.
>>154334274All joking aside, I hope like hell Adam was joking about the whole PMS thing, because that being a 'feature' of being an exorcist alongside being barren would be fucking psychotic>Yes we made you so every month your body punishes you for not getting pregnant>No you can't get pregnant ever
>>154334921??? It's not suggested they're barren anywhere. In fact, Lute having a period strongly suggests that she's not. Do you know what a period is?
>>154334951you can menstruate without being capable of pregnancy. PCOS gives you nightmare periods while massively affecting your fertility. i know a couple that had to use IVF because of it.
>>154334951I mean within the lore of the show itself, not in fanworks
Viv is making a non Hellaverse movie called Prehistoric with Warner Bros. Thoughts?
>>154334921>>154334951Isn't almost everyone in heaven barren? I know sinners can't reproduce.
>>154335077If she's Heavenborn she can probably reproduce and have a normal menstrual cycle, like the hellborn do. If she's Eve then she menstruates because that was a specific curse on Eve.
>>154335192I wonder how Eve and Adam reacted when she menstruated for the first time.
If exorcists are heavenborn there's a nonzero chance they're sexually compatible with imps, succubi and greedlings.
>>154335192>If she's Eve then she menstruates because that was a specific curse on Eve.Does the show ever imply Vaggie has a menstrual cycle? Like any jokes about her being on her period? Cuz if Lute is the only one that does that it could be another clue.
>>154335275Damn now I need to rewatch the show to find out. It would be funny if Lute tried to hide her periods from Adam. He is the kind of guy who claims they can smell when women are on their period.
>>154335275>>154335304this is why lute never washes the sinner blood off her uniforms, we've cracked it. adam COULD smell it (stronger senses due to larger nose) but just dismisses it as 'ugh, lute's being gross again'.
>>154317745Glitch works with disney and amazon and is subsidized by them.
>>154335347Ok, now I'm sold on the Lute is Eve theory
>>154335347Makes a way too much sense. Lute keeping herself stinky so Adam doesn't figure out her real identity is pretty genius. Wonder how she hid the fact when she was ovulating.
>>154335347Holy based
>>154334951No, they don't.
>>154335378>Wonder how she hid the fact when she was ovulating.She channeled the horniness into extra aggression and humped Adam's desk when he wasn't looking.
>>154335247Adam would freak out and think she's dying. They probably held each other and cried.
>>154335568Kinda cute in a messed up way.
>>154335496Wouldn't he notice by observing her?
>>154335591She works very very hard to get it out of her system before he notices.
>>154335619Damn
>>154335010Eh.
Angel Dust is a gay crossdresser but isn't patently delusional and thinks his dick turned inside out becomes a pussy, making him a level of degeneracy above a troon.
>>154334921>>154335304The only reference about periods and what they do is from the Adam hallucination.The hallucination that is visually hinted by the purples to be from be from “Lilith”. The one who given birth to Charlie.
>>154336971The Adam hallucination is from Lute's head and is snarkily reminding her of her big booboo, again.
>>154336971No MatPat. You are colour blind and that's not purple. Lilith is Lilith.
Does Lute use pads? She strikes me as a freebleeder.
>>154336991>her big boobooHer favourite pair of man bobbies?
>>154337040she uses a cup so she has access to a menstrual molotov if necessary.
>>154337105She tracked blood all round the cave back when she was Eve.
>>154336991If you go back to the scenes.It’s pretty clear that Lute wasn’t hallucinating Adam. The Adam “hallucination” came to her out of nowhere, right after Lute texted “Lilith”, and convinces Lute he is a hallucination of her mind.Here is the big reason for it. Low class hellborns know that ghosts are not real. So Lute herself would also know this. If it pretended to be the ghost of Adam, Lute would know it’s a demonic presence. It would’ve turned her from a great chess piece to a great hinderance by knowing something evil wants her to attack Hell.However, this does mean we get to know what “Lilith” wants to do on Charlie and Hell before she gets there:>Break Charlie by taking away Vaggie and other very close people from her,>Demolish Hell and sinners to pieces from within and from the forces of HeavenOh yeah.Remember the exorcist base? I actually think that is going to be a bomb to blow up because season 2 establishes hell can easily make broadcasts to heaven. So imagine what “Lilith” could do when she broadcasts her voice to heaven. Where the most mistreated and disgraced Exorcists are.
>>154337153No MatPat. Go shill your fanfiction someplace else. Cain is not Zestial. Lilith isn't Eve. Abel does not have red flags and secretly wants revenge. Lute ain't some hellborn. Also please stop with the NTR stuff it's genuinely really creepy.
>>154336971>Headcanon Alert
>>154337153>Headcanon Alert
