Why has nothing ever been able to replicate the atmosphere of Batman: TAS?
>>154322567digital animation can't do this
>>154322567>>154322650Few draw on black paper.
>>154322650Why not
>>154322567lost technology
>>154325108>>154322707I'm pretty sure black papper still exists.
>>154322567What about this?
>>154325135you can't even spell it that's how lost the technology is
>>154322650It can, but doing it in digital takes just as much time as doing it traditionally, so they don't bother despite saying that they could.
>>154325226It doesn't look as good.
>>154325243Honest mistake.
>>154325226I'll give Batman Beyond massive props for how it came into being. The BTAS crew was told by higher ups that they had to make a Batman cartoon with a teenage Batman in high school navigating being a hero while dealing with teenage drama. They hated the idea but realized the execs didn't say it had to Bruce Wayne in high school or take place in the current timeline and made the show that was technically what the suits asked for without shitting all over previously established lore. Good ass pulling all around.
>>154325531Like you wouldn't watch the fuck out of this show.
>>154325746not with that unschway artstyle
>>154325765What's wrong with it?
>>154325746like i even like BTAS that much, was more into STAS and JLU and i think Beyond is way better.what i'm saying is, make it about smallville
>>154325226Very cool, but the setting inherently can't match the atmosphere of the pseudo-timeless 1930s Gotham in Batman TAS
>>154325746Looks better than the Harley Queen show
>>154322650>>154322707>>154325108We are really dodging the obvious answer.
>>154325746Fuck no
>>154322567We defunded the arts and inbred Hollywood
The Big O anime?
>>154328676If anything, we should put less money to the arts.
>>154325809High-school drama is gay and hasn't been interesting since I was in school
>>154329890It’s true, money doesn’t need to exist, just art.
>>154322567Looks like he's spying on gay guys jealously
>>154325746Is the guy on the far left suppose to be Clayface?
>>154328533because it failed
>>154328533That's actually a good example of what OP means. Even Caped Crusader feels like a pale imitation despite largely being by the same crew.
>>154322567it's probably an example of the tards (artists and writers both) being heavily wrangled into proper artistic cohesion.
>>154325746Guilty pleasure show 100%every one say "fuck no" are dishonest millennials
>>154325746So why'd this get scrapped anyway?
>>154322650It is really hard to do with digital animation.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-rdFUN-8hE
>>154330698it got "scrapped" because its just some deviant artist.
Japan so far has proved that with the right techniques, you can mimic 80's/90's cel animation with digital art.
>>154331068I mean if you can play non digital animation on say youtube for example then it should be possible to make it with digital tools.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X54RaHAv6cA
>>154324997We don't have real artists anymore. Just losers who trace 3d models.
>>154331068Gurren Lagann was animated on cels and digitally colored, still holds up great
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>>154331430>I mean if you can play non digital animation on say youtube for example then it should be possible to make it with digital tools.I think it works but only if the characters are made digitally and all the backgrounds are hand-paintedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7yvMDrJGxghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19fr9J16hDU
>>154330237They are trying to more old-school Batman than BTAS but they can't let go of their obsession with female empowerment and social justice. It makes Young Justice seem like it is written by chuds.
>>154322567Erm but the show is visually a copy of the Batman 89 movies
>>154325746Maybe as a kid back in the early 2000s Not so much now...
>>154333657So?
>>154333657But not tonally
>>154322567Batman TAS is expensive and required skilled artists (and you can tell in episodes where they didn't have the latter).Much cheaper to just wiggle around some faggot video game graphic.
>>154328533I saw no real problem with them turning Penguin into a Ma Barker kind of character, because these guys have never liked Penguin or used him well. Just seemed like an obvious growth of their indifference to/dislike for him.>>154333624Changing Hatter on the other hand is weird because his whole vibe in BTAS of a deranged sex pest worked pretty well.
>>154335622>I saw no real problem with them turning Penguin into a Ma Barker kind of character, because these guys have never liked Penguin or used him well. Just seemed like an obvious growth of their indifference to/dislike for him.The characters of the show act like she was attractive.>Changing Hatter on the other hand is weird because his whole vibe in BTAS of a deranged sex pest worked pretty well.Have her brainwash a bunch of young boys like she is an elementary school teacher.
>>154331068Those gundam anniversary things and the gacha game cutscenes look exactly like the classic tv cel animation. How did they do that? It’s crazy to me
Who is the sick fuck responsible for the season 4 redesign?
>>154328533Oh wow is that Jim Sterling?
>>154325135No one uses cel animation anymore, and you can't really replicate the drawing-on-black-paper look digitally or get that textured look.
>>154335965Glenn Murakami
>>154335965The BTAS crew struggled a lot with Riddler episodes and the original series was lucky to get three out of him given the large draw of unused Riddler scripts considered not good enough. Timm thought that they could make him work by making him more like a combination of Frank Gorshin's Riddler and Alex from A Clockwork Orange, unfortunately they still couldn't.
>>154335920It's not crazy at all. Do know what a cell is? It's a slip of transparent plastic that gets drawn and painted on, then overlaid over a background image. Nothing about that is so arcane that simple animation software can't replicate it - that's just layers. The fluidity people associate with traditional animation is 100% a budget problem, not a limitation of digital processes. And you can add grain filters to replicate the texture of the cel-to-film transfer process. Colors can also be replicated to match older styles.
>>154336033>The fluidity people associate with traditional animation is 100% a budget problemThis is the real problem. BTAS came about at the height of the TV Animation Renaissance of the early 90s where companies were willing to put good money into animated programs for a while. Animation aside, they paid for BTAS to have an actual orchestra for the score! No one is putting anywhere near that kind of money into TV animation these days.
>>154336173>Animation aside, they paid for BTAS to have an actual orchestra for the score!Aren't orchestras relatively cheap, hence why video games started using them instead of having original soundtracks or interesting themes?
>>154336197They don't use real instruments. A live band costs more money.
>>154335965>>154335992
>>154336197Your question makes no sense. Live orchestras make music, "original soundtracks or interesting themes" are music. That aside, no, of course they're not. There was a brief period when networks would pay for live orchestras for shows, famously The Simpsons, but it's hugely cheaper to do the music digitally in a studio, especially as technology got better and cheaper over the years. How could it be otherwise, paying a bunch of people to make music for years costs much more than buying some software and equipment. Even the The Simpsons was stripped of its orchestra about 10 years ago.
>>154330564>muh gen warplease leave
>>154336033This is hypothetically possible, but in practice, it didn't happen. When Batman Beyond switched to digital, it looked different. Justice League looked different. They made the colors darker after season 2 after enough people yelled at Timm over it (they were using the equivalent colors but editing on tape made them look darker and this is also why the remastered blu rays look much brighter than the old dvds), but it never looked like a cel-animated show.
>>154325746As someone who was not a fan of X-Men Evolution, I'm extremely happy with the product we got.
>>154336248If you're talking about the BTAS orchestra, they did use real instruments.
>>154336291Isn't that what the other anon is saying, that it's a budget problem not a capability problem? If they had enough money and time they could have replicated the look but there's no incentive for the network to pay for that.
>>154336305Yeah, I was talking about video games. The DCAU used live instruments up until Batman Beyond when they switched to electronic plus electric guitar to fit the tone of that show. When they went back to orchestra-music for JL/JLU, it was synthesized, that music budget wasn't coming back.
>>154336252>Your question makes no sense.Damn anon, I guess dirt is a food if you eat itGo be autistic somewhere else>>154336248Yeah, that's why even AA devs use them, they're soooo expensivehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UliYVYzIzDQ
>>154336395>Damn anon, I guess dirt is a food if you eat itYou seem very confused about what you're trying to say.>Yeah, that's why even AA devs use them, they're soooo expensiveYes, projects with money can use resources that cost money.
>>154336291>>154336315I am mostly talking about digital animation NOW, not whatever crude Windows 2000-ass software they had available at the time. They probably didn't have tools like grain filters back then so replicating the original feel was probably out of their reach.I just want to dispell the false idea that cel animation was something magical that we've lost forever due to switching to digital tools. Modern digital can do it all if a studio has a mind and budget to do so.
>>154336395Any given production will use their budget as they see fit, but it's self-apparent that having a single person make a score using software is going to be significantly cheaper than that same person writing the music by hand and then buying recording studio time and paying a group of people to come in and play it. Dragon Quest XI originally had a synthesized score and it bothered its fans so much that Square put in a true orchestral version for the re-release.
>>154336468Damn anon, it's like you're completely ignoring my inquiry"Aren't they actually cheap?""No u"I guess I'll not give you another (You) because you don't know anything and are just redditspacing at this point
>>154336526>Damn anon, it's like you're completely ignoring my inquiryYour inquiry made no sense as phrased because you're confused about what you're asking. But i kindly did answer what you were trying to ask, explaining that a live orchestra is much more expensive. It's pretty strange you would think otherwise if you think about it for even a moment. How would paying a bunch of performers in a large space you have to rent be less expensive than digitally making music?>redditspacing This is good, when you have nothing to say you can always fall back to repeating "reddit".
What's the best episode and why is it Two-Face?
>>154322567Colors for starter. Sure drawn vs animated is a big reason as well and so is the style itself, but it honestly feels like the color schemes used in animation as well as shading have changed and I would even say degraded. The guys who made BTAS and other such series knew what they were doing, they understood colors and how to mix and play with them to achieve a number of effects and evoke certain feelings or atmospheres, same with shading. Good coloring and shading can make an otherwise bland shot much more dynamic and impactful, but many digital artists just go for vibrant colors, inoffensive pastels or settle for the most basic contrasts.
Where are the rich spergs who fund passion projects these days? You read about eccentric rich people paying for crazy shit they're into in the past, surely there's at least one rich guy into animation who'll fund old-school cel productions even if they lose money just because he's a superfan.
>Bruce would rather throw himself down an elevator shaft than spend a couple hours shopping with these two who obviously want to smashIs TAS Bruce gay?
>>154337134>Where are the rich spergs who fund passion projects these days? Travis Knight has unfortunately been doing live action for a while. Masters of the Universe just came out. But we're finally getting a new Laika project after 7 years with Wildwood later this year.Sadly there is no angel investor/patron who loves 2D animation the way Knight loves stop motion animation. Look to anime if you want high production 2D. 3-4 good films (stand-alone, not tied to franchises) come out every year.
>>154337134A rich person could comfortably afford a 7-10 minute cartoon. A high quality 20 minute animation would cost more than a million.
>>154337717A Laika Studios but with hand-drawn noir animations inspired by Mask of the Phantasm instead of stop-motion would get all my fucking money.
>>154337134they mostly fund comics when they are really into this stuff, keanu reaves has his own comic at image comics that he fully funded
>>154337134That's all Hollywood is now.
>>154322567BTAS is just the cel version of Burton Batman/Anton Furst and Rich Heinrichs GothamIf you want to know why nothing got there it's because it takes passion and effort which modern artists don't have. It's easier to make Gotham a boring modern city or a generic noirscape than to make it the Gothic hellhole that Furst spent a bunch of time designing.
