>>154336416
Girl boss: the girl bossening

>we have read the room and we are going to do the exact opposite of what would be appropriate

>>154336455
it’s kind of impressive how consistently and violently marvel’s been shooting themselves in the foot for the last ~6 years
more like 26 if you include the comics

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>Congratulations, you get X-Men in the MCU finally!
>The worst character of the original five is your protagonist

>>154336416
It was crap the first time
It was Mega Stinking Doggy Doo Doo Crap the second time
When will every X-Men screenwriter stop trying to make this boring Mary Sue the star of the X-Men? They already renamed the damn school after her and gave her an entire film all about her. Ooooh, she’s like Xavier but she also has telekinesis but it’s more powerfuller and red. Fuck Off

breaking the news to reporting saar.

>>154336554
>The worst character of the original five is your protagonist

Angel?

Can we just fast forward to the MCU’s take on the dark phoenix saga? We all know it’s going to happen and it’s going to suck so get it over with.

>>154336505
They haven't done a single thing right in their films, they ruined every character either outright or over time given enough appearances, they blew every big classic storyline they either attempted to adapt or wasted through a half measure reference. X-men was never going to be good, it never had a chance, it only exist to piss to me off over how badly they ruin what they try to adapt from it and the by the stupid ass pointless or outright insulting changes they'll make to the characters.

>>154336416
Hopefully at this point anons learned to just not give them money for this crap... right?

>>154336554
>The worst character of the original five is your protagonist
That's Warren, not Jean

>>154336554
>>The worst character of the original five is your protagonist
Warren and Bobby are far worse.

>>154336651
>>154336762
Warren is more interesting plus the xforce/apocalipsis drama.
Boby would be worse because they would do the gay shit.

>>154337830
>Warren is more interesting once they completely revamped his entire character decades after the fact

Warren sucks

>>154336416
Who's reporting this?

>>154336416
I just realized psychic powers are drawn pink in marvel comics because they are girl stuff.

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>>154336651
>>154336762
>>154337802

>Ah yes, Warren and Bobby, the two characters who have killed more innocent people than Jean Grey

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>>154336416

>>154336416
>Cyclops bros
Why the hell would anyone still be a Cyclops fan? What's wrong with you people? Brain damage?

>>154336416
Isn't Jean Grey supposed to be black?

>>154339433
He is the protagonist of the X-men universe

>>154338642
Dark Phoenix is a legally distinct cosmic entity and Jean Grey cannot be charged with or held responsible for its intergalactic crimes.

>>154339673
Ha ha no, not really. And in this day and age the X-Men are more like the antagonists of the Marvel Universe.

>>154336416
Well atleast they didnt race swap her. Don't worry, she will be fucking Miles Morales in no time.

>>154340351
Jason Wyngarde will be black and his relationship with Jean will be entirely consensual and Jean's idea- to refrain the story for a modern audience that let's Jean be a strong empowered sex positive feminist who maintains agency at all times

>>154339673
Wolverine and Kitty have been more relevant for decades

>>154336416
What if she is playing Madelyn Prior?

>>154339433
Why don't YOU like scott anymore.

>>154339673
>he is the plot armored mary sue self insert of the marvel universe

fify

>>154336416
jean grey, cyclops, emma frost and wolverine are the most overrated x-men. there are literally dozens of other characters to focus on

>sadie sink
yeah cool. she was great in stranger things, yeah she's hot, but she'd be better off playing wolfsbane, feral, polaris, marrow, blink and others. it won't be her fault if the x-men movie bombs but it's gonna suck if that happens and she's associated with it

>>154336651
the most boring is iceman. at least with archangel he has better origin story potential with serphim shit tangentially related to nightcrawler... oh fuck they fucked up nightcrawler's origin story. okay at least angel got power boosted from apocalypse and played cool role in uncanny x-force

honestly beast and archangel at the best of the original five. jean grey and cyclops suck up way too much attention

>>154339433
they're insecure. that's literally all it is. cyclops gets multiple hot psychic girlfriends, no one questions his leadership. if they do they could ostracized like beast, or killed off like nightcrawler, then on his side anyway despite everything. tons of attention, multiple story arcs he's at the center of, and cyclops fans still act like they're overcompensating

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>>154336416
if they're trying to get her to go out in to space so they can have movies with other outer space marvel characters, it's not going to work out well because it hasn't been written well. like if there are any aliens she'd deal with first, it'd be the shiar. i didn't read her recent comics but i doubt the writers would do anything coherent

if anyone should go out in to space it should be beast because he was the one that suggested mutants get their own planet

>>154339673
Peter Parker is the protagonist of the x-men universe.

>>154340792
Mutants should be shipped off of Earth. Period.

>>154339673
>He is the protagonist of the X-men universe
He wasn't even the protagonist of X-Men movies, and he's been treated as an afterthought in various games.

why are they introducing jean grey as a spider man villain idgi

>>154339433
I consider myself a fan of many characters who are now shit, Cyclops included

>>154340700
Because I was paying attention to who they've turned him into.

>>154343114
It's OK to just stop being a fan of something you used to like, especially when it reaches a point where it's been bad for longer than it was ever good, which has clearly happened with X-Men as a whole.

It's OK to make the move from "I'm a fan of this" to "I used to like this until they ruined it".

Sometimes it's OK to even just want the thing to end or die to put it out of it's misery and get rid of the awful bastardization wearing it's name, and that's basically where Cyclops has been for 20 years or more.

The global audience doesn't want this shit. Real women don't want this shit unless it's about Jean fucking Wolverine or love triangle shit with Cyclops. They don't like superhero shit for real. ENOUGH.

>>154342480
Because spiderman is the only marvel character that Disney's incompetent overlords hasn't raped harder then an ovulating blonde dyke in a black frat.
He's a clean slate. Yes Sony's leadership and RDJ's ego has done some damage but he's still well liked by the target teen demo.
She should have been Firestar and been the newgirl ala kitty pryde/jubilee and had bobby be the black kid from stranger things and straight.
Easy money. But they have her being lead around by the fucking punisher. A guy who couldn't carry her scrunchy in a fight and would be logically taken out by their D-tier x-villains.

>>154340634
Kitty being pushed =/= relevance.
No one likes kitty pryde. Her relevance stopped the moment she aged out of the young girl on the xmen and went to excaliber.

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>>154343485
>Because spiderman is the only marvel character that Disney's incompetent overlords hasn't raped harder then an ovulating blonde dyke in a black frat.
>He's a clean slate. Yes Sony's leadership and RDJ's ego has done some damage but he's still well liked by the target teen demo
Bro, are you retarded? Spider-Man's the 2nd biggest superhero on the planet. They attaching the X-Men to him to leech off his popularity, to get people to like the MCU mutants. That's all it is.

>>154336455
>>154336437
What's bad or surprising about this

>>154336455
Yeah, that's pretty much exactly how Disney does things.

Most people were assuming it would just be the weirdest incarnation of Minoriteam and the core X-Men would only consist of Storm, Psylocke, Sunfire, Forge, Jubilee, and Iceman but only because he is LGBT.

Meanwhile the Brotherhood consists of white and jewish members.

>>154336416
how come Jean Grey it's the only redhead in all hollywood they haven't turned black?

>>154336416
oh jeez this lame cringe god of all. I always make her my butt fucked bitch in chatbots. she's over wrote by cringe writers who want to fuck her. fuck all fans of her's also. she's a bitch and her oh I got bad fire in me so this justifies shit. meh chatbots expose she's a mind raping violating cunt who is cocky as fuck about her powers. safe space comic writing hides that.

>>154343914
she eventually turns heel

>>154336505
It's actually kind of amazing at how they have fully lost any ability to make a movie after 2019 or so. Somehow all elements of talent and common sense just vanished like a switch was flipped.

Also I am amazed at how the MCU, which began as trying to keep to the comic origins as much as possible are now fully into all new made up origins/powers, OC's, and team lineups that never existed. No one anywhere wanted Shuri, Captain Falcon, and Wong Avengers.

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>>154343958
>dei happens and get actual talent fired and replaced cuz reasons
>everything becomes subpar
>big think

>>154343958
…anon, the MCU Avengers also never existed together at any point in time. Thor’s movie tried to shit all over his magical side by claiming it was “advanced technology.” The first goddamned movie made the Avengers’ butler into an AI. The movies were never super faithful to anything— that’s how they managed to find mainstream success. They wore the brightly-colored skinsuits of properties boomers created and current adults fell in love with to attract the older crowds, then “updated” the material to reel in younger ones with cool CGI and snarky quips.

>>154343946
They can't do a live action version of the same story again for a third time, surely?

>>154344105
The Fantastic Four insist otherwise

>>154336416
>reboot
It's all so fucking tiresome

>>154344049
>properties boomers created
Not unless you're using the term "boomer" to mean "person older than you". Most of the founding fathers of Marvel were alive through WWII.

>>154336554
That would be Iceman or Angel. Iceman was so irrelevant that they turned him gay just to make him somewhat relevant. And Angel had the Archangel transformation just make him somewhat interesting.

>>154338045
hellions are green, and nates are usually yellow or white. same goes with cable.

>>154336416
thank god i still have x-men 97 i guess.

>>154344356
>That would be Iceman or Angel.
You're not really wrong, but never underestimate X-Men fandom's irrational hatred of Jean, and the weird number of comics readers that just seethe about hot redhead heroines in general. It's probably all the gays in here.

>Iceman was so irrelevant that they turned him gay just to make him somewhat relevant.
It was more just Bendis seething about Jason Aaron pairing Bobby up with his waifu Kitty, making Iceman gay meant this could never happen again, and gave Bendis a permanent, irreversible legacy at the end of his run.

>>154343547
There is no too big to fail in entertainment anon.
You can completely fuck up a super popular character through mismanagement.
Look at Harley Quinn.
From the darling of the BPD girl, women who want to wear slut gear "as a joke", and sexually pent up girls with daddy issues crowd too that gross lame lesbo no woman want's to be associated with in a few years.

>>154344049
These are properties made for boomers when they were like 10 anon.

>>154344049
Yeah and Cap didn't wake up in 1962, and Tony did not get captured in Vietnam. Shit was updated for audiences. It's still 85% the same story.
But MCU is not even doing that much anymore. After Captain Marvel they went full into making everything up all they want.

>>154340634
Not really. Cyclops has been the main character for the last 20 years.

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>>154337802
>Warren and Bobby are far worse.
Bobby is unequivocally the worst, he's literally Johnny Storm, except with ice powers instead of fire. That's the extent of Stan's hackey characterization for the original X-Men.

>>154344049
The younger ones liked the old stuff.
Not the retarded costumes, quippy dialogue, and sub ps2 tier cg done by jeets.

It was fucking awful. The only jeet thing I wanted to see was a thick jeeta dressed like a slut slinking around.

>>154345057
And that works.
The happy go lucky pussy hound who loves his powers and adventure is highly marketable.
Espescially since the Johnny storm in the MCU is a unbelievably british twink who's zest is apparent.

>>154345704
>The happy go lucky pussy hound who loves his powers and adventure is highly marketable.
Probably because he’s fun to self-insert as
which also explains why every single character like this was assassinated repeatedly the moment people who didn’t like comics started being put in charge around the new millennium

>>154336416
So do people actually like Jean Grey as a character beyond wanting to fuck her? She's probably one of the most boring, two-dimensional comic book characters of all time in terms of screentime to actual depth. She has one fucking story that's been done to death and the only other thing she has going for her is a love triangle that's equally played out. Emma Frost is infinitely more interesting and arguably a much better fit for Cyclops relationship-wise. Wolverine doesn't even need her, really. She drags down every X-Men story she's in with her tired schtick. She's a truly uninteresting character, and yet nostalgiafags and horndogs who want to fuck redheads keep bringing her back.

>>154339729
retcon

>>154345758
my mom was fucking obsessed with jean grey wihich explains my parents' fucked up marriage

>>154345053
The last 20 years were all awful though. Being the main character through the era where you're supposed to have stopped reading isn't a positive, and they massively character assassinated Cyclops by turning him into Diet Magneto. There's nothing about this that wasn't awful.

>>154345758
Back when X-Men wasn't entirely awful, she worked in her role as the 'team mom' and a moral core of the group. You need characters like that for the more edgy or 'exciting' ones to bounce off of. If Jean fills that role for the straight male readers, Nightcrawler fills a similar role for girls and gays. If everyone is Wolverine, nobody is Wolverine. A hell of a lot of work was done in the 2000s and 2010s to try and make people dislike Jean, this kind of crap happened to a lot of characters the new regime just didn't have any interest in, or wanted to push out for shipping reasons where someone desperately wanted to make fetch happen. By bringing up Emma Frost you're showing all you really care about is who's riding the dick of the wretch that used to be Cyclops. She drags down every story she's in too, just in different ways.

>>154344951
>You can completely fuck up a super popular character through mismanagement.
>Look at Harley Quinn.
Harley Quinn isn't Spider-Man OR Batman. Those 2 eclipse SUPERMAN in popularity. Be serious.

>>154346415
>She drags down every story she's in too, just in different ways.
NTA but I cant think of a single time an xmen story sucked because of emma frost relative to the amount of times jean dragged down the story post phoenix fuckery. it's not even shipfaggotry, emma is an interesting character outside of scott.
surely there is a whole spectrum between logan levels of edgy and jean levels of fun police.

>>154346942
>I cant think of a single time an xmen story sucked because of emma frost
Every time she talks like a villain and nobody cares, uses her powers the way a villain would and nobody cares, at best Cyclops is like "oh, you". It's not as in your face as yet another Phoenix story, it's more of a constant toxic malignancy that's poisoning the whole experience.

>jean levels of fun police.
That's really more of a Cyclops thing than a Jean thing.

>>154346750
Even Spider-Man or Batman can be harmed as a brand by long-term mishandling of them, especially if it bleeds out of comics and into adaptations. Modern Spider-Man adaptations are normalizing some really egregious stuff like multiversal travel, and Spider-Man having sidekicks/successors tagging along with him.

>>154345704
>early bobby
>pussy hound
things that didn't happen
that was warren's role, and he stuck with it long after.

>>154346415
>The last 20 years were all awful though
He was always the leader of the X-Men though, in the original silver age comics as well.

>>154343639
Jean Grey is very unpopular with actual comic readers.

>>154347285
No, that was Xavier. Cyclops was the middle management guy between the team and Xavier.

And even being the leader of an ensemble team book doesn't mean you are the "main character" of the entire franchise. By the 80s that was undeniably Wolverine.

>>154347304
Well, X-Men does have a massive gay audience.

>>154336416
The MCU X-Men movies are going to flop because they're going to abide by Feige and Esposito's retarded creative decisions:

>not touching whatever material the Fox movies already covered
>alienating male fans in an attempt to attract female fans (but ultimately not doing anything of substance to draw them in)
>everyone talking like RDJ and Whedonspeak and Gunn characters
>making the stories fit a traditional superhero movie formula (they don't, won't, and can't because X-Men is not really a superhero narrative but a sci-fi narrative in the vein of Slan, Akira, Carrie, Firestarter, Minority Report, and The Demolished Man)
>combining characters to save on time and money (which has horrible long-term consequences)

>>154347328
>middle management guy
True, Xavier was in charge, but Cyclops led the team. They refer to him as their leader... and he refers to himself as that.
>undeniably Wolverine
he was the most popular character, but Cyclops was still the leader of the team

>>154347153
That's a mild annoyance sure but you said it yourself, It's not as in your face. It also isn't so common an occurrence to the point of making emma one note.
>That's really more of a Cyclops thing
which is a direct consequence to him being narratively shackled to a character who only show any nuance when she is possessed or replaced by a clone.
Frankly It's not just even just emma, there are several female x men i find more interesting than jean.

>>154347394
>leader of the team
NTA but you now understand that doesn't make him the main character right?

>>154336416
X-Men “skews male” so they have no choice but to fuck it up to hell and gone

>>154347394
>he was the most popular character, but Cyclops was still the leader of the team
Which still didn't mean he was 'the main character'. Sometimes he was gone and other people were the squad leader instead.

>>154347404
>That's a mild annoyance sure but you said it yourself, It's not as in your face. It also isn't so common an occurrence to the point of making emma one note.
It's the difference between a constant annoyance that's always there and an annoyance you're going to get periodically every year or so. Over time the omnipresent annoyance is worse if you can't tune it out or acquire enough brain damage to enjoy it. And it's common enough as to make the other notes of Emma's character just feel false and not ring true.

>which is a direct consequence to him being narratively shackled
Anon, no. That's just who he'd always been right from the start, before he and Jean were even paired up.

>>154347367
>not touching whatever material the Fox movies already covered
If only, but you know they'll be rushing right back to the same old Xavier vs Magneto conflict all over again.

>because X-Men is not really a superhero narrative
It worked best and sold best when it was a superhero comic with sci-fi trappings, rather than the sci-fi race analogy it's become, stuck inside a wider superhero universe it keeps trying to break.

>>154347367
>>154347526

we also can't forget

>Feige ignores anything made before the 2000s
>Feige pulls from adaptations more than the actual comics themselves

genuinely what the fuck is X-Men going to do, all of Feige's creative decisions practically undermine using the X-Men at all

in my eyes, MCU X-Men's worst-case scenario is:

>a schizo composite of 97, Evolution, and Wolverine and the X-Men
>pulls from the Fox movies but avoids using the antagonists/plot points/character arcs featured in the films
>pulls more from 90s and 2000s X-Men and post-Fox buyout X-Men than Claremont
>rushes Dark Phoenix (again)

>>154343639
Jean Gray sucks, she’s a boring charecter that’s usually dead or evil half the time and that usually when people prefer her character. Also you just know this means we’ll be seeing them fumble the phoenix again, instead of doing something. Else or interesting with the X-men.

>>154347492
>constant annoyance that's always there and an annoyance
Anon you're over exaggerating if you're trying to say Emma saying/doing villainous shit that scott lets slide is a constant. if anything the problem with United recently was that she was doing shit with good intentions that she clearly wasn't thinking through, and everyone got on scott's ass for rightly calling it out. Granted United still sucked but that has more to do with the plot being another schizm rehash than emma specifically.
>an annoyance you're going to get periodically every year or so.
Because they sent her to space since her being le super special phoenix deity basically makes the xmen redundant any time she shows up.

Introducing mutants like this is fucking retarded

>>154339896
good, the rest of the marvel universe is lame.

>>154336416
So glad she'll return and not be dead again

I feel like I enjoy X-men the concept much more than the X-men the actual comic/movies. They're maybe the #1 book at Marvel that'd benefit from a DC new 52/Rebirth style pick and choose whats canon and ignore the rest. MCU could play it smart and just start fresh but the Fox nostalgia is going to take precedent I fear.

>>154343547
x-men movies have made 6 billion dollars, they don't need to leech off anything.

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>>154343485
>spider man is a clean slate
not in the comics he isn't

>>154347193
>Even Spider-Man or Batman can be harmed as a brand by long-term mishandling of them
Nah
>Modern Spider-Man adaptations are normalizing some really egregious stuff like multiversal travel, and Spider-Man having sidekicks/successors tagging along with him.
Bro, where you've been? That's old news. Miles failed and Brand New Day's just Spidey being Spidey.

>>154347367
>The Demolished Man
The fuck?

>>154343639
Jean sucks, and ususally sucks in everything shes in. Even when she doesnt suck shes on the lower end of the cast.

>>154348046
>x-men movies have made 6 billion dollars, they don't need to leech off anything.
What's a measly $6B to $26B?

>>154347971
There was never going to be a clean way to do it. They officially introduced mutants in the fucking Kamala Khan tv show, a character created to be apart of the Inhumans when Disney couldn't use mutants.

>>154340634
After krakoa kitty pride decided to go be bartender in the hustle and bust of the big city and explore her carpet muncher phase. Wolverine's big idea was to run around butt naked in the woods in canada larping as a wolf pretending to be a literal animal rolling around in shit. Cyclops was the only guy being an actual hero and powering through his personal trauma and his wife leaving him again to reform the x-men at a critical time when mutants need them most, and all he got for it was ridicule and side eyed distrust from his friends.

>>154336416
Shan't be watching.

>>154336416
>Sadie Sink is Jean Grey
>Not Mindworm
Ruined.

My ideal X-men reboot roster would have been Cyclops, Surge, Wolfbane, Anole and Psylocke (not ninja).