Abel is cute, Cute!
>>154337171why do women and homos like this idiot so much
>>154337186He is cute and nice and straight.
>>154337186He's fat
>>154337171Lute's son. Lute's bangs.
>>154337243Well. It’s better than having a whore for a mom.
>>154337171He will not betray you like Jax
>>154337326Zip it about j*x.
>>154337326Abel would love and cherish (You)
>>154337198I'm a Lute Eve schizo. People who aren't have told me this, but I don't see it. Do they actually have similar bangs or are people tripping?
>>154337171why do his feet kinda look like they've been chinese foot-bound?
>>154337423How come we never saw Adam's feet
>>154337422They both have those tall peaks which Adam doesn't have.
>>154337422It’s supposed to be a joke of Abel getting mothered by Lute.Although this must mean Eve’s mean hair is like Abel’s and Lilith’s hair. Curley no matter how short it’s cut.
>>154337442There should be a scene of Adam pulling off his boots and dropping his steaming clammy feet on the meeting table right in front of Charlie's face. Just for immersion.
>>154337498this reminds me, the feather we see charlie use to sign the entry form at the embassy comes from adam's wings - we see adam pluck a feather from his wing to write in the trial and it has the same gold vane and purple shaft that feather does. i wonder if charlie signing something with adam's own blood without really reading it too hard will ever come into play or if i can just have fun fanficcing about it?
>>154337171
>:(
>>154337641Hell yessss
>>154337186The core idea? He's a wholesome cute anxious guy who spontaneously grows a pair and asserts himself during the moments when a woman would want him to.
>>154337658He's not even that anxious execpt when he's at war which is understandable. Otherwise he's a chill guy who'll take you minigolfing and swimming and to puppy yoga and shit.
>>154337171I love Sera.
>>154337526There are hints in season 1 and 2 about a sacrifice being made.Charlie wants a hotel that redeems sinners. But isn’t aware of how redemption actually works in this world where the symbol of redemption is the cross and sacrificial lambs exist. The symbol of Jesus, the last Adam, redeeming sinners is by the offering of his blood from his death.Aka… if she wants redemption and her hotel, then Adam’s blood is the price for it.
>>154337794???
>>154337794>Headcanon Alert
>>154337677See, I have mixed feelings on him as a character. Yeah he's definitely a good dude, but I remember as season 2 was coming out, it felt like his only real role in the story was to be a catalyst to Lute snapping even further.He was so indecisive about everything in the meetings with Sera rather than just a pacifistic voice and Lute wasn't necessarily bossing him. So it really was a bit of whiplash for me at the spontaneous development he got during the song
>>154337843Okay. You literally don’t know anything about Old Testament lore or New Testament Lore. Fantastic.
>>154337910Matpat shut the fuck up.
>>154337852To be fair and interestingly enough, Sam haft did say that he didn't even emulate his father very well, and that him saying bitch was completely out of character and Viv liked a post seemingly agreeing that him looking down at the mask during the season two finale is because he felt bad for calling her a bitch. So I wouldn't say it's a complete development. Like, if anything, the moment was more so to show how Adam affects Lute. Again, Sam half did confirm that although he didn't mimic his father very well, it was enough for her to stand too. It's not that he's brave now, all of a sudden or unafraid of her.
>>154337794au where alt-timeline charlie managed to get adam on her side somehow (maybe he catches wind of lilith disapproving of the hotel and thinks helping charlie succeed is the PERFECT way to spite her) but she still signed the contract and he keels over dead for no reason. heaven goes apeshit at the apparent murder, and the exterminations are replaced with the yearly burning, where the entire pride ring is scorched to nothing once a year and this time no hellborn will be spared, meaning charlie gets forced by lucifer to retreat to another ring for her own safety leaving all her friends to die. vaggi chooses to die with them, but is stolen by lute at the last moment so lute can enjoy watching vaggi suffer an eternity apart from her love, the same way she has to with adam gone.
>>154337979The kind of thing Lute writes when she's on her period
>>154337944My guess is, the only reason we even got a part like that from Abel is because... Patrick Stump. There is actually an unreleased portion of Hear My Hope from Lute (and Abel) - I guess it's supposed to be either a direct response to what Abel said, or as they're leaving. They recorded her part (with Jessica) and I think Abel was also supposed to have an additional part (not recorded though), but Sam said they didn't want to have three sung parts of Gravity scattered throughout the season without her having killing anyone.
>>154338011i missed out on stating in the last thread since it archived while i was typing in response to someone asking how eve would've handled getting her period, but in the show's eden era (roughly 10k-5k years ago) eve would've had access to cloth rags and perhaps even rudimentary tampons made from linen and other plant fibres (papyrus was used in egypt for example). however, between the harsher lifestyle, reduced food and all the pregnancies - which would prevent menstruation for as long as her kids nursed, which could be up to four years - it's been estimated that medieval peasant women would have maybe eight periods max their entire lives.so in short yeah lute would write that on her period because there's some cloth wrapped around sticks up there instead of a diva cup.
>>154338244Extremely interesting nona, but also holy fuck ouch!!!
>>154338031It feels like Gravity is a song that will be redone in season 3 because Season 2 was building up to Abel singing the song himself. He watched it. He looks at his hand as if there is blood on it because he is thinking about the song lyrics Lute sung about getting her hands wet. He recites the lines in “Do you see the future”.When Abel sings about being someone else, Lute is in his eye.
>>154338425>Headcanon Alert
>>154338530instead of matpatting here's more ancient menstruation lore: pliny the elder once wrote that menstruating women could scare away hailstorms, whirlwinds and lightning, and would make caterpillars, worms and beetles fall off corn if a menstruating woman walked around in the field nude. in how this relates to hazbin hotel, consider the mental image of eve mid-period cramp screaming at a storm to shut up and it actually doing so and what adam would think.
>>154337910MatPat you are being pathetic.
>>154338658Now you all have me thinking if there really was more to that comment Adam made. i'm one of the Eve Lute schizos, and I hadn't thought about that line any more than surface level. But.. Fuck, Now I'm scratching my head.
>>154338658That is pagan retardation.
>>154338705Pretty sure some modern religions also do this. It's all "pagan" nonsense. You're just to much of a weirdo to accept it.
>>154338658Pls more interesting fun facts.
>>154338733Good luck with Jesus.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=3RRbRfvqZN4>Sera tells Emily a joke
>>154338760Don't need it.
>>154338747bog moss, animal hide, sea sponges or just layers of skirts that get bled into have all been described as methods of menstruation. some ancient egyptian records show it used for topical ointments and as an ingredient in cosmetics. the concept of the menstrual hut occupies a weird space where in some cultures they were viewed as deeply spiritual and sacred places for women to chill out, but in others they were used as containment for unclean women. there's also art depicting women seemingly menstruating drawn by australian aborigines in pilbara, which could be up to 50,000 years old.
>>154338776i want to be picked up by adam :(>>154338807CUTE!!!!
>>154338776Weirdly fitting
Are there Abel/Adamsisters here?
>>154339136As in... Shipping them together?
>>154339136Almost everyone in the thread, yeah.
>>154339136Always hazbin
>>154339136Even Matpat is an Abel fan
>>154339202Debatable since his version is such a 180 from Abel's actual character. That's like me saying I like Vaggie because she is a massive racist who has a deep ingrained hatred of women and actually wants to fuck men. It's an insane interpretation brought on by delusions.
>>154339411But.... she literally is tho?
>>154339411The one person Abel looked up to was Adam.
>>154339491He literally mentioned a "braver son". This is borderline larp territory you going in.
>>154339489No Man that's Charlie. You getting the two confused.
>>154339526Doesn’t mean Abel likes the braver son. Just feels inferior to him.Abel is ultimately a character with a rock and the hard place. The rock is Emily and the hard place is Adam and Lute.He wants to take his dad’s job and career and Emily wanted him to have that job for her own intentions Adam seemingly never stood for.
>>154339159No as in, are there living breathing femanons who like Abel and/or Adam here ITT
Adam is the only one to like women.
>>154339489God you're stupid.
>>154339617They're both straight.
Abel being constantly swarmed by sinner women
>>154339598i want to bite adam and also see him pregnant (not by lucifer though fuck adamsapple), does that count?don't really care much for abel though, he's a bit too nothing at the moment.
>>154339739>i want to bite adam and also see him pregnant (not by lucifer though fuck adamsapple), nta but wow you’re literally me
>>154339658Straight Father Son duo
>>154339739>>154339773
>>154339598Yes. Obviously yes. Do you read these threads at all? It's like the second coming of /hbg/.
>>154339739Abel is a character with a lot going on internally and background wise that it’s annoying they’re only going to properly delve into it in season 3.He’s potential man.
>>154339849>He’s potential man. Do not utter those cursed words unless you are prepared for dire consequences.
>>154339940Season 3 is already written and voiced. Nothing will change how Abel is handled till season 5.
>>154340012People who think that things will change significantly than whatever we're going to get or retarded. Season 3 is completely finished, I think, several months ago last I heard they were almost on the season for, so I'm sure they're done with the voices. I think the music was close to done when they said that, so for sure it's done. They're probably just animating everything. And they're getting started with season 5, I think? But yeah no there can't be any last minute changes. Viv can't change a whole fucking episode or arc like she does with Helluva Boss.
>>154340105I do recall Amir saying that season 2 episode 1 was actually meant to be season 1's final episode, but they had to change it because of time or something? So they shifted the episode around, but it was fully animated and everything.
>Abel pushes Lute to change him in season 3 after seeing his siblings one last time.>He’s tired of trying to fit in with them anymore when he never did. And is going all in for his Head Exorcist role.>Lute looks disappointed. She isn’t manipulating Abel into this. Abel hates himself and his family so much he just wants to disappear into a whole new person and stay there.
>>154340152That is bizarre.
>>154340176How?
>>154340201It means this was the episode building up to Lilith season 2.
>>154340152Yeah, I don't really trust what that guy says. If I recall, in the comments he specifically wanted the ayylmao person to do a video on it. I don't think it was fully animated, they probably had a rough outline. Because they build up to the Lilith thing, only to then shoot it down in the very next episode. So they probably added that in there or they changed the course of the episode than what it originally was supposed to be.
>>154340384It would make sense if the storyline was originally Lilith coming down to hell and work with the Vees and the sinners that want war against Hell since it was a three seasons pitched show.
>>154340420Oh, that actually makes sense. Duh. Interesting...
>>154340420Hypothetically, if this is true which is probably likely, then that means she was actively going to go against Charlie, which actually lines up with some of the posts Viv has liked on Lilith specifically, saying that won't her goals won't line up with Charlie's 100%. Take into account that apparently next season Charlie's going to regress, she's going to push people away all for her mom, Lilith's going to probably try and manipulate her to do her bidding. Whatever that is.
>>154340475With that context. I wonder if Lute and Lilith are spent on pitched season 2 so that Emily and Roo would’ve been the final villains on the pitched season 3.
>>154340496Don’t forget Val is supposed to be a relevant villain in season 3 as the face of the Vees, wearing clothes matching the jazzy aesthetics of Lilith.
>>154340567He's the Vee that gets most focus. He's the main villain, probably for mainly the angel dust stuff. Lilith and Alastor(?) are going to be the main baddies.
>>154340534I don't think Emily's going to be a villain at all. Given everything that's been said about Lute, both by Viv and Jessica, pretty sure she's Season 4 is her season.
>>154340600Val is the main villain because he is the main Vee now. And Vel will be next in line cause of Lilith’s immense problems.
>>154340684No, he's not the main villain. He's just the main Vee.
>>154340613Roo or whatever is behind the Adam hallucination already has Lute in its hold. Roo showing up herself likely means it’s a brand new victim that lost her trust for anyone.
>>154340696It’s hard to describe this well because it’s a team effort with Lilith and Val’s role in the partnership could be very dangerous because of the reach he can give to Lilith.
>>154340711Lute hasn't done her thing yet. She has long ways to go. Assuming the hallucinations are indeed by Roo, by they're most likely going to be the ones to fuck shit up in season 4.
>>154340740The main villains are going to be Lilith and Al. The subplot going on with Valentino and Angel Dust is going to intersect with whatever Lilith and Al have going on.
I'm going to be a contrarian and say I actually think the main villain is going to be Zestial (besides Lilith I mean) - Viv said that the next villain is someone who's done the right thing so far, and always seems like he's on the good side blah blah blah and then Amir commented under someone's posts where they were gushing about Alastor being the main villain for season 3, and he told them to slow down. And if Al is in it for the long game, then it kind of makes sense. He wouldn't do something too big immediately. Sigh. Disclaimer because I know it's like fucking jingling keys: no matpat, Zestial isn't Cain
>>154340759Season 1 and 2 is enough build up.
>>154340828perhaps rosie then? i'm intrigued by that one line where alastor says 'we're still no closer to-' or something close to that and then gets cut off by her.
Would Abel be a good dad
>>154340921Idk. He seems maybe a bit too soft for the role.
>>154340828Yeah. I agree with that. Zestial and Lilith have a green and purple look to them and Alastor and Rosie feel appropriate for season 4 and 5 content.Those two also are shown to be on a good-ish light with Zestial seemingly caring about the Overlords and the order of Hell as Lilith was said to be. He tried to call Carmilla off from supporting Vox’s Heaven-and-Hell, which Charlie said Lilith was against. Zestial came up to Emily about the mercy and selflessness she given to them. And Lilith is the main inspiration for Charlie’s Hotel on redeeming Sinners.Zestial is the sinner you would think would want redemption after finally seeing it was true and heaven does care about them.
>>154340877Viv said Lute isn't getting her authentic conclusion until Season 3 or Season 4. She's not saying which. It won't all be happening in Season 3. Otherwise why even mention Season 4. If Lute is Eve (she is), that's a pretty massive thing that has to happen and it affects a handful of other plots.
>>154340961>Zestial came up to Emily about the mercy and selflessness she given to them.What
>>154340962Lute is the kind of character that would need about two seasons for a redemption/reformation arc and follow it up with her confronting her past mistakes. So seasons 4 and 5.
>>154341008Whose baby is that?
Apparently what MatPat thinks the show is going for.
>>154341037Lute is the kind of character who needs to be dicked
>>154340985This happened in the season 2 finale. He was the only overlord to talk directly to Emily.
>>154341061... What
>>154341046Literally though
>>154341081Okay. Just watch the episode then after the carebear stare
>>154341108What the fuck are you talking about
>>154340961>Headcanon Alert
>>154341124“Hear my hope” is the carebear stare song.
>>154341124Ignore him. He's making shit up.
>>154341045The artist is a Emily x Abel shipper so I’m guessing Emily
Ok /co/ do you like Abel? Yes or No?
>>154341180YES
>>154341045his, he gave birth to it on his own
>>154341180I'm neutral when it comes to him.
>>154341057
>>154341150Sorry. I checked back. My memory is a bit fuzzy.
>>154341046Would Vaggie actually be petty enough to to ditch the Hazbin Hotel because it turns out Adam was the fuel behind the redemptions?Yeah.
>>154341046>you will never give adam a little kissie as you betray him as per god's planwhy fucking live
>>154341150Also, literally nearly line he says is Carmilla and then buzzes off.That is hilarious.
>>154341313Correct except there's no way Lute's pussy is clean. Adam gotta dunk her in the river Gihon before he fucks her.
>>154340961>Zestial seemingly caring about the OverlordsDead wrong. He only cares about Carmilla.>Zestial came up to Emily about the mercy and selflessness she given to themYou already acknowledged that this didn't happen, but even if we saw them interacting for a millisecond, there's no way to gauge what they were even talking about. You're making stuff up. >Zestial is the sinner you would think would want redemptionAbsolutely not, what planet are you on?
Confess thy sins, my child.
Given that it's probably not Al, and I really don't think Zestial is a particularly important character, I'm and we're supposed to be getting the reason as to why Rosie is so powerful, I'm pretty sure the two main baddies are going to be Rosie and Lilith. Especially because she also fits the bill of always seeming to be on the right side / being good. Plus we need to find out what it is that she was looking for and what new deal she made with Alastor.
>>154341524Also, remember that the logo colors don't necessarily need to reflect the character themselves, it's just the overall vibes/ the environment. Purple lines up well with Lilith, and when she granted powers to Al, it was all green, in addition to where they were both standing in season 2, the background was green lighting. I'm pretty sure it's Rosie.
>>154341524My guess is that Rosie and Alastor will be the ones to be portrayed as bad at first in the season, then later Lilith flips the switch to her side.
>>154341548I think gold in season 4 is supposed to be a golden era for heaven and hell.
>>154341524What I would hate the most is for Zestial to not be relevant until it’s revealed he’s Cain and his hate boner for Abel is enough for him to have a big villain song and ruin his relationship with Carmilla.
My take is that given that Alastor is kind of the permanent baddie of this show, in addition to the fact that he probably won't be getting the end of his character development next season, that's why I don't really count him as a main villain for any season, except maybe season 5. He's just kind of always there. So I think the main villain is between Rosie and Lilith. I'm not saying Lilith is not significant, she could definitely be a big part of the season, but that doesn't necessarily mean she's the villain villain. Like Sera in season 2. Her story was a big part and she was technically an antagonist, but she wasn't THE villain. I think even if Lilith is shown to be neglectful or cold, I'm not sure if she would actively try and harm. Charlie? I don't know if I'm making any sense. Probably not. Basically I Rosie is going to be the main villain of season 3.
>>154341698Zestial is not Cain. You are being dumb MatPat. This is why nobody takes you seriously.
>>154341698Shut the fuck up matpat. Take your shitty ass fanfiction somewhere else. He's not Cain.
>>154341698Oh my fucking god shut the fuck up
>>154341709No, no I'm pretty sure it's going to be Lilith and Al. Lilith will probably be the main villain, and then Al, like you said he's more of a permanent fixture throughout the show, so he's just always there. Viv made a post saying that he ' may or may not be a great guy' may or may not be a great guy' for season 3. Prettttyyyyy sure, he's in that circle.
>>154341487I want Lute to rape Abel, while commanding him to call her degrading things.
>>154341854That is such a fucking boring take. Think I prefer lesbian Lute to this crap.
>>154341698My name is Cain and I’m thou bitch
>>154341930>hurr the homophobe is actually a closet dykeLiterally the most obvious take for a homophobic bad guy. You have no room to talk.
>>154341982The trope is a cope for lgbts that hate their church folks
>>154341930>>154341982>>154342003Lesbian Lute is a shit idea.
>>154342091I don’t care about lesbian lute
>>154342110It's just the most "Why?" thing for me. It's has no build-up and contradicts much of what we seen in the show. Its literally just exists so Yurifags can jerk off to it.
>>154341982When the fuck did I say that? They're both shitty takes. I was just saying between the two, I think I prefer the closeted homo.
>>154342200Rapist Lute, closeted homo or not. Is so fucking retarded.
>>154342174There is no such thing as build up in Viv shows.The teacher and the cannibal woman became lesbians for each other out of nowhere
>>154342239You do have a point. Look at Abel. Not mentioned whatsoever in season 1 but then he just spawns in season 2
>>154342239i'd be fine with that if we see the husband she cheated on happily married to someone else in hell too, or they've got a bi-throuple thing going.
>>154342239I fucking hated that shit. You could tell they just did it for the brownie points. At the very least if they were going to have her hook up with anyone, it could have been the Karen plant lady. She strikes me as a closeted homo. Better than running off with the bitch your husband cheated on you with. What is that cuck shit? Worst trope ever.
>>154342278Yeah him having zero build up in S1 is a very questionable writing decision. At least have Adam or one of the angels mention him in passing. You don't have to show him early but a name drop shouldn't be that intrusive.
>>154342384Honestly, I don't think they necessarily planned it? Though. It's also kind of questionable to say that it was a spur of the moment decision just for Patrick stump when he could have easily been a background character. I don't know what to make of that.
>>154341487I still believe the exterminations were justified. If anything, they should've been more frequent.
>>154342416My wild schizophrenic theory says this has something to do with Lute being Eve. Viv is limited in how much she can actually change once everything is cemented. So either Abel was planned from the beginning And they just thought it was a good writing position to not mention him whatsoever in the first season, or she fought tooth and nail for a whole ass character to get added in. I find it so weird that he just does not exist in season 1. Getting Patrick as a spur in the moment seems like a very hard thing to squeeze in...
>>154342278>>154342384by the time they learned they were getting a season 2+, it was probably too late in production to add abel references. listening to the commentary they all sounded pretty sure the first season would be all they got for a long time. this also tracks with lute trying to drag lilith into the situation as a hopeful cliffhanger, but then having to walk it back asap in the second season.
>>154342384>>154342416The closest thing to Abel being referenced in season 1 is a potential Adam was cucked and raised the kid backstory. The worst possible crap ever.
>>154342569Nobody except Matt Pat believes that shit. Serpent seed is a dog shit theory.
>>154342516They could easily make an Abel reference by saying Adam was the second human soul to enter heaven.
>>154342584Serpent seed sounds very Vivziepop to me.
>>154342664It really doesn't though. That's just a cope.
>>154342647i maintain that abel was too chickenshit to go through the gates (since he died before st peter was there to welcome anyone) and waited until adam showed up and went through first to show him it was fine.
>>154342683The most widely accepted fandom explanation is that Heaven wasn't accepting any souls before Adam. Anyone before then was basically just in limbo.
>>154342674Abel being the biological son of Lucifer and belonging to Adam instead would have too much thought for a white liberal yaoi chick.
>>154342745No, it's just a shitty idea all around.
>>154342720That’s too stupid.
>>154342745>Acting like it's a good idea in the first place
>>154342760Could you imagine if she went for it to portray Cain and the other siblings as mean racists.
>>154342683I actually prefer the idea Angels wanted the first man to be the first soul in heaven for brand and thematic reasons so they forced Abel to sit in front of the gate till his dad died. Being a massive pushover Abel accepted.
>>154342745i will accept abel as lucifer's son in two scenarios only:1. he is also still adam's biological son. mpreg yaoi canon. i will tolerate adamsapple solely for this. 2. when abel finds out he is genuinely pissed and angry at lucifer and never wants a relationship with him. adam was his dad and he's the dad abel mourns - 'who the fuck do you think you are trying to treat me like your kid?'. throwback to 'hell's greatest dad' about how the family you choose is better and he will always choose adam and lucifer hates it.
>>154342779It's MatPat. Expect nonsense from him.
Abel looks so much like Adam though.
>>154342789Cain is probably gonna be a sad misunderstood guy who accidentally killed his bro because this is a Viv show. He might also look like a bad boy twink.
>>154343079Yeah but idiots will ignore that because they have an NTR fetish ( MatPat for example).
>>154343090He's going to look like Lute.
>>154343090Yeah I'm kind of expecting that as well. I would not blame him if he was pissed about the whole thing. I could also see Abel being stupid enough to have him killed himself by tripping or some shit. >>154343128I 100% believe this.
>>154343128i don't have the editing chops but what does lute look like if you adjust her hair from grey + highlights to blonde + highlights? that might clinch it. granted a lot of characters are similarly blond (mimzy, katie, etc) so it might not mean much.
>>154343128>>154343150Brown hair male Lute twink basically. He might have inherited some height from his dad.
>>154343179Sadly there is very little material on Lute=Eve. If people weren't so dumb we might have had more hair colour edits.
>>154343196I don't think he's even going to have brown hair. He could be a Gerard Way-esque silvery blond. This could also be why we haven't seen him yet because he'll blow the plot twist on sight.
>>154343248so squishable and slappable.
>>154343309I don't think as Eve she had the same hair. She was probably a blonde. My wildest dream is that she was a brunette/ has the same exact skin and hair color as Adam does. But knowing Viv, and what the former employee said, all the Eden humans are Caucasian white.
DOES NO ONE KNOWWHO THEY’RE DEALING WITH
>>154343430>"The only soul that completed you.">"I have seen firsthand the destruction demons have caused us. I have lost so much, I have endured.">Jessica: "She's not who you think she is." / "Everyone will have a lovely wide open gasp. I don't think the fans will expect it."Lol. She's Eve.
>>154343430Pretty big tell. They literally don't know who their dealing with ( Eve).
Does no one else here think Alastor is going to be a side-villain or something in season 3? I thought it seemed like it was building up to show more of his “morally grey” side like how he refused to help everyone until Rosie fixed his staff. Now he’s all zenkai boosted with no strings on me.
>>154343464>Literally reposts the Lute/Eve theory then quickly deletes it>This fandom: sHe'S nOt EvE, jEsSiCa iS JuSt CoNfUsEd
>>154343421>eve dyes her hair brown and cuts it short to distance herself from lilith out of shame, but is worried that adam won't like it>adam: did i ever tell you i have a thing for brunettes?
>>154343486>>154343464>>154343430I think anyone with a brain, whether you like the story or not, can tell it's Eve. Even people who hate Abel know that he's clearly Adam's son and not an a Fairchild from Lucifer.
>>154343309>>154343421Think they're gonna go with blonde Eve and she only has white hair after becoming Lute ( not sure if supposed to be a transformation disguise or her form literally being nerfed as a condition for staying in heaven).
>>154343514Affair child. Stupid ass phone.
>>154343464How would that work? Like she’s a reincarnation? If your theory was right there’s no way she would have all her memories, nothing comes across as or implies that she’s Eve in other scenes other than that one lyric you mentioned which could just be taken as her imposing her romantic feelings on Adam.
>>154343509Cute. Eve actually inventing hair dye is also very neat idea.
>>154343535I think it's a transformation. Like she probably has the same exact build, height, facial features, but her skin and hair and eyes are radically different. I'm betting Adam didn't have gold eyes either. Same thing with Lilith: I doubt she's always had the purple cat eyes and the gray skin.
>>154343544If you think the only way she can be Eve is through memory loss, there's just no reason and rhyme with you. Also, it's not just one lyric, look at the other shit that's been said. It's pretty obvious she's Eve. I'm not even the poster, that don't even like Adam or Lute. But it's pretty straightforward. There's no need to over complicate it.
>>154343535The white hair on Cain will be a transformation after becoming a sinner. It would be especially cool if his sinner form had exorcist-like traits.
>>154343552stop replying to yourself
>>154343573Oh my God, people who think that the only way she could be Eve is through amnesia or memory loss are retarded. It's very clear she's traumatized from the whole thing in Eden. That's the driving motivator for this character. Jessica has been alluding to that shit since the very beginning. It makes no sense she'd have amnesia. Then we'd get a double identity reveal (?) God people can be so dense sometimes
>>154343552I assumed Lilith did have purple albino eyes but they were initially human looking. Adam could have yellow eyes since it's not that big of a deal.
>>154343573I’m genuinely asking, I’m not trying to argue or make fun of anyone. Does Adam know she’s Eve? Why does Adam treat her like she’s just a lieutenant? We could stretch it and say he treats all women like that but you’d think he’s give her preferential treatment or imply more that he’s been banging her or something.
>>154343580He's replying to me you dingus.
>>154343594Why can’t you just reply straight to me instead of whining like a bitch to the other anon? Are you a woman?
>>154343611It's kinda implied he doesn't fully know. Lute saying she never got to tell him only for hallucination Adam to ask her if she didn't think he knew does suggest there was some mystery to the situation.
>>154343611Lute knows she's Eve. Adam does not know she's Eve. It's not him being oblivious, it's divine meddling on the part of the Elders. This is all part of Eve's punishment.
>>154343635MatPat is being a misogynist again. Is he going to go full Jax mode and transition? Find out in the next episode of MatPat's bizarre adventure.
>>1543436353/4 of the people in this thread are women, anon. Maybe the Helluva Boss thread is more your speed.
>>154343679It's MatPat. He for some reason doesn't care for HB. Just Hazbin.
>>154343635Oh God fucking damn it. I literally just replied to you. I was hoping you weren't matpat. Fuck off.. I'm deleting that shit.
>>154343650>>154343657Y’know I’m still not 100% there but it sure would make her whole breakdown when he dies make more sense. We know she loved him and saw him as above everything and all that jazz but I still always thought that freakout was intense.
>>154343714It's probably not actually matpat. I don't get the matpat smell this time.
>>154343726Then whoever it is, they asked me the same shit last time because I didn't believe in the serpent seed theory. Asking if I was a woman. Then they said that they hang out with a bunch of women, so he knows what a woman sounds and talks like. Fucking incel I swear.
>>154343675>>154343679>>154343696I’M NOT FUCKING MATPAT I’M JUST A LURKER GODDAMMITI DON’T LIKE HELLO NEIGHBORHELLUVA BOSS IS ALRIGHT BECAUSE OF RICHARD HORVITZ HE’S A LEGEND BUT THERE ISN’T A SINGLE GOOD SONG IN ITBEST HAZBIN SONG IS STAYED GONE
>>154343714If you notice blatant misogyny nine times out of ten it's MatPat. Weirdly enough these threads don't have anyone else sperging out about women.
>>154343744Matpat isn't an incel either, he's just a schizo. He used to be a funny schizo but he's been taking boring pills lately.
>>154343758Uh huh
>>154337389>ANTS??????????????????????????????????
>>154343758So just an incel. Got it.I think I almost prefer matpat.
>>154343767Nah MatPat whole schizophrenia is derived from his issues with women. Why do you think he has such a hate boner for Eve and Lilith?
>misogyny>misogyny>misogyny>misogynyjesus christ are we on bluesky right now
>>154343769>>154343780You guys are just mad I said helluva songs are trash.
>>154343783Thought he liked to switch up his typing style from time to time. He's got like three he keeps in rotation.
>>154343784Are you a woman?
>>154343783I was respectful and even said I wasn’t making fun of anyone. Then the one anon lost their goddamn mind and ranted about how I’m a retard. We’re only allowed to use certain insults? Do you not realize how hypocritical you sound?
>>154343808Who cares about HB here? It's literally a Hazbin thread. Statistically few peps here are gonna give a shit.
>>154343760Matpat is not notably misogynistic by 4chan standards. Someone saying something misogynistic could literally be anyone here. If a post isn't saying something fucking insane (extreme wild headcanon theories about Lute being a corrupted half demon) or is not doing straight up garbled Sunday school preaching at you it's probably not matpat. Accusing everyone of being matpat is getting old as fuck. Lurk moar pls. Half these people you're accusing of being matpat are literally just random fucking anons and it's starting to shit up the thread.
>>154343828yes?
>>154343838That was me you fucking idiot, not the person you responded to at first.
>>154343855why?
>>154343035Number 2 is the main result I want to see. But in that he already knows he is Lucifer’s son. And would punch Charlie for daring to call him her brother.
>>154343852No other reason to be offended at the post. Process of elimination.
>>154343874You keep telling yourself that
>>154343863Oh, sorry. So you’re the angry woman
>>154343881Then what were you mad at? Just the “misogyny?” Or because I was genuinely asking about and showing interest in your theory, “retard?”
>>154343838You’re talking retarded people.
>>154343867idk
>>154343870Not gonna happen since Viv doesn't want to portray Lucifer as a bad guy ( she just has him be mentally challenged). Let's be honest at the end of the day Abel is Adam's kid and Viv ain't touching serpent seed with a twelve feet pole since that would muddle her story's message to much.
>>154343783Am I not allowed to hate rebellious women that literally taken the devil’s D?
>>154343901They're not going to respond to you again. Maybe next time give people a few more minutes to respond before going off all psycho bitch on people.
>>154343928>mmmmghfhg I just LOVE thinking about cuckoldry- Real quote from Matpat
>>154343927Season 3 is Lucifer’s demoralization campaign. I expect it.
>>154343927Nobody genuinely believes Abel is anyone else's kid except Adam's. They go out of their way to show that he's Adam's kid. He looks like the motherfucker too. I could have sworn a viv made a post about it, making fun of people who thought he wasn't Adam's son. She just made him blonde because you know how Viv feels about the Aryan race.
>>154343928Lilith did that. You could make an argument for her. But for Eve it's just your headcanon/fanfic which you treat as a fact. I'm genuinely curious how badly you will react when the show obviously does not go in that direction.
>>154343968Yeah, Viv confirmed the other day that he's basically going to be crying every other episode. He's not in it for a good time.
>>154343744I asked if you were a woman because, as I mentioned previously, you crashed the fuck out over me asking simple questions about a Hazbin Hotel theory in the Hazbin Hotel thread on /co/, you were seething so much that you furiously typed up a rant replying to a different anon about how fucking mad you were at my retarded self. I’m genuinely sorry that you thought I was being “misogynistic” to you, but you are still a bitch, you act like a bitch, and the idea that you get called a bitch frequently by other anons enough to have such a kneejerk reaction is funny as hell.
>>154343968He's gonna be even more infantilized and will be bullied by Lilith. I fully expect that since Viv thinks making him a literal man-child is a good look. She might throw some Lilith cheating for good measure to make us sympathise with him. Serpent seed ain't ever gonna happen because you can't do that and still have Lucifer be "dad that tries". She wants us to like her emotionally abuse goblin.
>>154344003Are you done? God damn you can really whine huh? Beat it already. I'm not answering your questions. Not even because I don't like discussing it, you just go all psycho. No thanks. I don't need to deal with a bitch on her menstrual cycle.
>>154343949You can have all the time you want to reply. I can wait.
>>154344022Actually, coincidentally, Viv did like a couple of posts where Lilith straight up demolishes Lucifer's ass, while gossiping with Al. Though, I think that was supposed to be Lucifer's nightmare? I'm kind of anticipating she's going to make her belittle him. It'd be funny, and sad, but I also wouldn't necessarily expect it because Lucifer is her favorite. Or well. I thought he was her favorite. Knowing Viv though, she's going to make Lilith go all evil woman on his ass so he can be painted in a positive light. That's going to make the Lilith fags even more insufferable. Nobody wins with that.
>>154344024>I don't need to deal with a bitch on her menstrual cycle.Misogynist. Fuck off MatPat.
>>154343990>Abel shows up>Lucifer looks at him and tries to to cater to him for some reason>Abel distances himself away from him>Charlie has no idea about why that happened. Lilith does and waits for a perfectly dramatic moment to reveal it.
>>154343970Viv supports the Aryan agenda. Funny enough is Sera supposed to be genderbent normal sized head Yakub? Literal creator of the white race.
>>154344030Wrong person. But I'm good, thanks. Not interested in conversing with you. I deleted my reply for a reason.
>>154344024friendly fire
>>154343990eh crying because everyone's being mean is weak, if he's going to be crying i hope it's because of the consequences for his own entirely avoidable shitty choices. just because lucifer is her favourite doesn't mean that's a good thing for him. creators LOVE putting their faves through nightmarish situations and tearing them apart both emotionally and - given how many hit tumblr posts i've seen about how their blorbos might enjoy recreational vivisection recently - physically too.
>>154344044I'm actually not Matt Pat. I'm a Lute/Eve schizo. I just got over mine. I don't want to deal with another bitch who's going through theirs.
>>154344067What reply?Are you going to delete this reply too?
>>154343744>>154344067NTA but listen youhave gotta get over this shit if you're going to be using 4chan, I know you're new but most of the time anons genuinely aren't the same people. Also yes, there's some misogyny from randoms, it's 4chan babes, that's the price you pay for not having to worry about twitter psychos brigading you for wrongthink. No point in getting mad over posts
>>154344043Adam is probably gonna have an upscale if Lilith is revealed to be awful. That's usually how these things work. It will be pretty funny to watch the meltdowns.
>>154344081>I’m actually not Matt Patyeah sure
>>154344047Not happening.
>>154343974The leaks line up too well with the “Lilith” in season 1 and 2. I’m going to do the thing Adam should’ve done. Accept she is an unrepentant destructive whore. The hardest part for me is to find out she somehow gets even worse because it makes me more baffled on why did Adam taken her back.
>>154344073True true, it could go either way, I'm just hoping she doesn't make Lilith irredeemably Mother Gothel evil. Not because I would not enjoy that, I would love that! I just don't trust her or her fan base. With that. It seems more likely that Lilith will come across that way. But she really means well or she has justifiable reasons. But then again, what do I know. I'm not in Viv's head. I don't even like Lilith. The mystery should have been done and over with in season 2 but you know. We had to have the uvu TV man raging about not getting fucked by the. Deer.
>>154344024>misogynism>calls other people bitches on their periodsyou’re too dumb to be a biological woman
>>154344089You know what? Thank you. Whether you believe me or not. I appreciate it. I'll keep that in mind. It -is- fucking retarded to get mad over posts from people when you can't even tell who's who.
>>154344081Matpat spotted!!
>>154344138That is a bio woman thing. They hate women.
>>154344112i kind of hope she's a little like griffith from berserk, in that you completely understand every single step she took on the way to her goal, but also holy fucking shit girl.
>>154344111The leaks are dubious and old as shit. You don't comprehend how plots can change during production and ideas are thrown around but don't stick. Things change and progress because you have to be flexible when writing stories. It's literally one of the easiest mediums for such modifications.
>>154344156Deadass I'm not. I've been one of the ones he's been arguing with for the past few days. I guess you can say he rubbed off on me,
>>154344173That’s Lilith Eve in a nutshell. At least what Viv thinks she’s writing.
>>154344138You don't seem to hang out with women much, do you bud
>>154344140kek are you actually from bluesky? is this your first week? how could you be this assmad over being asked if you’re a woman after slinging shit around like a /b/tard? are you not used to being talked back to at all? maybe you should go back to whatever hugbox you crawled out of
>>154344197No MatPat. Those two things are not comparable.
>>154344180I often times find it more surprising on how much doesn’t really change from the pilots. Sometimes the change is just that Lord Commander is way scarier.
>>154344187You’re deadass matpat.
Can you guys chill. It's already a mess because MatPat showed up with his fanfiction. You guys arguing over dumb crap is making the thread borderline unsalvageable.
>>154344180Nta, but I've been saying this shit. I was the one who has been scared to provide screenshots. Yes I know this is a trust me bro but... I was in a server with said former employee. These specific leaks aren't the ones that have been circulating, like the ones on Twitter, but this person, whose name I honestly don't want to give away, per their own admission, it's been 5 years.. They don't know what's going on, and they weren't even a writer on the show, they were a concept artist. They weren't even sure if Lilith was Rosie. My tin foil hat theory is that these leaks, assuming they were even accurate in the first place, we're not even actual spoilers, but just a spitball idea in the writer's room. Because it doesn't line up with season 2. Not only that, but for the Viv schizos who have been with her since the very beginning, they can tell you, there has never been a mention of Eve, ever. Look at Lilith's old art: she's had those same exact bangs. That's always been Lilith. Even Rosie being Lilith sounds off because Rosie herself is more based on Hilda from Zoophobia, who's her own thing entirely. I think people just got really attached to these leaks and have never let them go. Which is why they're going to be mighty upset when whatever shit goes down, goes down.
>>154344212What.Motherfucker who are you talking to?? I don't have a Bsky.
Hey guys anyone want to talk about FNAF?
We should talk about Adam's hefty balls and fabulous tits
>>154344140>>154344212Ahhh 4chan. A place where you can say thank you to someone and you are attacked. This place is like home. God damn you sound bitter. Chill out a little.
>>154344297Fnaf is kinda weird. The whole William plotline is a cluster of broken garbage. The mimic is better than whatever was in the past.
>>154344212they could also go back to the previous thread where there was a perfectly civil discussion about the subtle misogyny permeating a bunch of fandom interpretations of not only lute, but also charlie's lack of perfection in season 2 or how people react to stella in helluva boss. sometimes people want to talk about that, sometimes people want to rehash lilith=eve=rosie=carmilla=lute=alastor, sometimes people want to thirst after adam's luscious milk-giving nipples. it is what it is.
>>154344296Then why else would throw a temper tantrum calling everyone around you a misogynist? That’s grade A bluesky material right there. You even call it Bsky. That’s like calling twitter X, something only a proud X user would do.
>>154344297Not really. It became to messy for me so I lost interest in it.
>>154344235How do I prove to you I'm not? I'm the Lute/Eve schizo he's been arguing with lol He legit hates my guts.
>>154344303i wonder if alex brightman and jessica vox could be convinced to do an in-character fake let's play stream for charity sometime.
>>154344314i’m not even that anon lmfaoretard
>>154344335Chilllll it wasn't just me calling someone a misogynist. Also why are you responding to me when I was saying thank you to somebody else? Jesus fuck are you that much of a bitter cunt?
>>154344342Post art of Lute/Eve getting mating pressed by Adam ( I'm joking).
>>154344140No worries. Lesson 2, disengage from pointless arguments and discussions
>>154344342You’re not fooling any of us, Matt.
>>154344354*jessica VOSK
>>154344355You bitterly responded to someone who was thanking a different person.
Lilith if she had actual curves.
>>154344342Show your tits
>>154344314>help help I’m being attacked I’m LITERALLY being RAPED someone save me!!!
>>154344373You know what, I'll take this as a badge of honor. If you think I'm Mat, I'll do my best impression: ZESTIAL CAINE. JAXXXXX. LILITH EVE. YOU'RE ALL GOING TO HELL. Did I nail it?
>>154344389
>>154344386I sent you a selfie. I apologize for my saggy tits.
>>154344398The Jesus stick
>>154344360If you scroll back up you can clearly see that none of this shit started until you posted several paragraphs calling another anon retarded for nicely asking questions.Kinda ableist. Misogyny is bad but it’s cool to make fun of the mentally disabled? Are you some kind of riot grrl?
>>154344425You made me laugh. Thank you. I needed that today.
>>154344398>redditspacing
>>154344354I would cum if they played Minecraft
>>154344416I'm sorry, the what now.
>>154344448i want to take a nap on adam so badly he looks so fucking comfy and his wings would be so warm and nice wrapped around me... if i lost that to some shit hotel i'd swear eternal vengeance too...
>>154344441No prob :D
Okay different topic.. what's Alastor's endgame exactly? What, does he want to take over Hell or? Viv's deersona eludes me
>>154344457Shaped likes a T
>>154344484flared base, officially safe for insertion.
>>154344441cunt you said you were going to stop replying like 30 minutes ago look what you’ve done to the threadquit being baited like a faggot
>>154344481He’s Roo son. So anti-Christ.
>>154344477I think it's fat is like a sumo wrestlers. It's just muscle/ hard fat. Or maybe I'm coping because I don't want him to be a Cheeto dust gamer type chud. The fucking skid mark on his chin irritates the shit out of me.
>>154344481Okay different topic.. what’s misogyny?
>>154344503Sorry,
>>154344522The belief that a woman should bend down and take the penis.
>>154344503Another tell it’s a biological woman, they can’t help but reply to every single thing. You’d know this if you’ve ever had the misfortune of texting one.
>>154344522Ok wait... what's a womyn?
>>154344534
>>154344505Didn't that get changed to them being lovers? Or were they lovers first and then it was changed?
>>154344477Just imagine it, you're laying in bed after sex and he's eating leftover pizza and he just pulls you in to his chestand gives you lazy kisses on your forehead... you hear his strong heartbeat thumping comfortingly... he's groping your ass too but he's too sleepy to follow through with it
>>154344541Adam...
>>154344536In reality, Lute would fear being put in that dress.
>>154344581Fucking nasty ass pizza breath.
>>154344565Lovers was the first thing. Mom and son is the second.
>>154344604Got it. Thanks. I was never clear on that.
Vaggie is so lame. The story would be better without her.
>>154344505That sounds stupid. Why can’t he just be an evil serial killer because he’s an evil serial killer? Why does he have to be the son of the root of all evil? Is Valentino also the son of Satan? Is Vel the daughter of Hitler?
>>154344598Pizza isn't a terrible food for kissing, I don't like force my man to brush his teeth every time I wanna make out
>>154344585Nah she would love it. Rocking that shit with a smug smile on her face.
>>154344619I mean to be fair, that's how the character started out. It's not like they've changed it from a regular run-of-the-mill serial killer to the son of evil itself. Looks like that was always the game plan for this specific character. So I think I'd like to see it through. And remember, Rosie said that his soul was different. So clearly there's something going on there.
>>154344619Not sure about the whole Roo child thing. I always got the impression he was a psycho that made a deal for power. At best he's her strongest pawn. Also isn't he the byproduct of a white man and mixed black woman?
>>154344628It’s because Abel would call her mom
>>154344618Lute...
>>154344619Niffty is Anne Frank’s mom
>>154344656Wasn't Al being mixed a result of Viv wanting to justify why he'd do voodoo? I thought he was always a white man.
>>154344656>Roo is a mixed creole woman
>>154344670Niffty is apparently Japanese.
>>154344560adam demonstrating his dickmaster abilities. >>154344581god he's so fucking COMFY
>>154344656>>154344724Looks like there is a very offensive origin to race in this show.
>>154344724Sadly I'm pretty sure Viv is going for white woman Roo. Chocolate fans will have to make do with Emily.
>>154344724According to that former employee I spoke with, Roo is also a Caucasian woman. I think they meant design wise. Why Viv would make an ancient deity is beyond me. That's so fucking boring.
>>154344726Niffty is Shinzo Abe’s grandmother
>>154344736We need Emily to be our evil black woman.
>>154344733Another reason I don't think Viv is going with that plot is because she's not ready for the backlash of making some mixed black dude the antichrist.
>>154344741Viv is a strong supporter of the Aryan agenda. All Eden humans prove that.
>>154344753She loves her Alastor too much. She will do it.
>>154344770True, true.
>>154339776God why are they both hot they should fuck...
>>154344743True. Explains her need for bad boys is to procreate and keep the birthrate from declining.
i'm watching sam haft's song tier list with danny motta and he and motta had to very slowly explain the idea that just because a viewer has access to information doesn't mean that another character in the show does, in response to discourse about husk 'minimising' angel's trauma in loser baby and also that also husk is not fully versed in perfect therapy talk. this fandom is fucking doomed gang. >>154344741vivzie's posted art of roo when she was celebrating her voice actress doing line reads, we know what she looks like already. she's got like a checkerboard pattern on her outfit and is kinda drooly.
>>154339776Abel’s helmet is so cool I hope he actually wears it for more than 20 seconds in season 3
>>154344797>vivzie's posted art of roo when she was celebrating her voice actress doing line reads,Hold up, what? I don't remember any recent artwork of Roo? I remember the announcement, and I remember her being added to the serving cunt board. I don't remember any recent artwork?? Do you have a link?
The rock and roll hand symbol is said to be about the devil.Maybe he does it because he knows Abel is a devil.
>>154344797>in response to discourse about husk 'minimising' angel's trauma in loser babyI’m a new-ish fan so I was actually surprised when I saw there was discourse about this in the youtube comments of that song. Never got that feeling at all, always saw it as them relating to each other at rock bottom.
There's a severe lack of Emily in this thread
>>154344797I think you're getting confused. Roo's design for the series has not been revealed yet. We have the old artwork of her where this parasitic thing is coming out of her mouth, I think it's her tongue? There's another one where she's sipping the blood bag, and then another piece of art that was not made by Viv but from a spindlehorse staff member, with the giant claw. Those are all old. There's been nothing in 2025-2026
>>154344817i misrembered seeing a bunch of roo arts in her likes, my bad.
>>154344869EMILY IS BEST GIRL
>>154344902No worries. Though, I don't doubt she'll end up looking more or less like that though. Probably with less detail.
>>154344859oh man there was so much, it was insufferable. not to mention the poison discourse, the valentino discourse (where fans had to be yelled at to not harass his voice actor for voicing a bad guy)... this interview's pretty fun if you tolerate danny motta though, i recommend.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rliud9_Gnts
>>154344926Dude, the fans harassing Valentino's VA was fucking embarrassing.
>>154344776She loves him so much she'll make him the edgiest Antichrist, and then have her Lucifer and the Antichrist kiss, kiss boom boom. Yeah, sounds on brand.
Eve is Lute, by the way.
>>154345006We know chief. It's literally the best option.
>>154337794Holy shit sacrifice schizo is still around
>>154342683I like that, it's cute and I could see this making Adam groan and dislike his son.
>>154345025YESSSSSSSS
>>154345006Whether she's Eve or not the truth remains she NEEDS to be fucked to exhaustion by first man dick else she'll never blow off that steam. This is her character arc even if he's a freaky sinner with a knot now
>>154345044Ain't that MatPat? I know he's very into Jesus stuff.
>>154339159I think it makes for a cute crackship
I'll never be tired of the Adam glazers thinking Adam is a super important component and will come back or his death served as some sort of blood sacrifice for the hotel. Fat motherfucker got fridge for his wife, Eve/Lute lmao we're going to get his story through her and his whelp of a son, Abel.
>>154345103That is certainly a choice.
>>154345107He's going to come back and have passionate sex with her trust the plan
>>154345131I actually would not be surprised if he did show up like.... At the very last minute. Not even to do anything extraordinary, just to fuck Lute. Yes. As God intended.
>>154345006So she just forgot who she was?
>>154345152The BEST dynamic
>>154345160No, why the fuck do retards think that. No, she knows who she is. What part of "does no one know who they're dealing with" and "she's not who you think she is" do you not understand.
>>154344926It’s a shame those people hate Val cause he has one of the best designs in the show imo
>>154345073>>154345131Adam and Eve will produce a brand new race of humanoids. Her insane bipolar genes will fuse with his autism. They will flood hell with their autistic non verbal offspring.
>>154345107Without love you only have death
>>154345182They have a good kind of hate for Val.
>>154341180I want to jerk him off and pet him and say nice things to him so yes
>>154345007Kickass>>154345178Why the fuck do you get so mad everytime someone asks a question about L=E? We can all tell it’s still you, woman.
>>154345183Based
>>154345178>What part of "does no one know who they're dealing with" do you not understand.i dunno maybe she’s mad at them for underestimating and messing with her
>>154345270Did not expect hh x vtmb but I am so down for it
>>154345299It’s no wonder Abel looks up to her. She’s the only one with the kind of compelling will he wants to have
Can't help but laugh at people who can only digest Lute being Eve if she has some kind of weird ass case of amnesia because of the name change, but when it's the Lilith impersonator taking up Lilith's name, there's no amnesia involved. Either that or she has to be a clone of some kind lol
>>154345247adam's cute scalloped sleeve detailing kills me every single time. i would love a deep-dive into his general uniform though, there's so much stuff i want to ask vivzie about. the colour choices, the purple layer to his helmet and gold caps, the stripes, the spikes, the sleeves matching his wings and the general layering/decorative elements to his robes...
>>154345327We also have (S)Seth. Adam's third son.
>>154345341People don't want it to be straightforward, I guess? It's hard to wrap their mind around, for some reason idek. I don't even like Lute but yeah, seems kind of self explanatory. She's overcompensating for something.
>>154345341Lilith is the queen of Hell. That is a big position to gain.
>>154345370It wouldn’t be straightforward because Lute Eve would have heaven basically make the stupidest hurdles possible. That it would be surprising that Abel doesn’t end up killing anyone responsible for it.
>>154345382No MatPat. That's just dumb.
>>154345345My guess is the spikes are to add to his overall rockstar persona. Also the wings make all the angels so much more fun to watch, they can do all sorts of movements and dances. I love rewatching the part where he flies and fistbumps Lute in Hell is Forever, it’s so fluid.
>>154345424>Abel doesn’t end up killing anyone responsible for it.How many times tell does it need to be told to you that Abel is not a red flag nor is he some psychopath hell-bent on revenge. And no, the rainbow on the card doesn't mean shit.
>>154345341Calm down, MatPat.
>>154345182His merch still sells out, the whiny teenagers who hate wrongbad fiction are a noisy group but sane people still exist
>>154345424Heaven had been shown to be blatantly incompetent and on a idiotic decision streak. It's not exactly out of left field they would something this stupid that will eventually bite them on the ass.
>>154345437You think Abel wouldn’t react super badly about a conspiracy that retarded and ultimately ended up with his dad dying and stepped over?
>>154345441Matpat doesn't like the Lute Eve theory
>>154345128Abel pining for fatherly approval and getting his wires crossed with other desires is just plain cute, I saw some art of him grinding against a pillow once and calling his dad's name and the idea has stuck with me since
>>154345453But this one just feels unnecessary.The main reason for their incompetence isn’t stupidity. It’s the fact they are cowards.
>>154345462>Headcanon Alert
>>154345483Ehh. You could have kept that bit to yourself.
>>154345483based
>>154345483Okay so.... We have inside thoughts and outside thoughts. Those are definitely inside thoughts. You may want to work out whatever daddy issues you have with your therapist.
>>154345498>The main reason for their incompetence isn’t stupidityAre you forgetting the gift baskets? Heaven whole stick is being incredibly stupid and making the wrong decisions when it comes to crucial stuff.
>>154345536That girl wants to do her own dad.
>>154345548So a gender switched Oedipus complex?
Fuck Abel/Adam, where's the Cain/Abel ship. That's a little less jarring. Also being that well, they married and fucked their own sisters, why not their own Brothers.
>>154345503Sorry pal I'll do no such thing, if you can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen and go back toWait Tumblr doesn't even exist anymore actually does it, that makes a lot of sense>>154345462I'm not entirely certain how you'd get a bloodthirsty read on Abel. It's a fun idea, but just like gaybel that's for fanfiction and headcanon, he's growing a pair but you're describing Lute behavior, not Abel
>>154344797every recent hazbin criticism vid I've watched has made me realize everyone is retarded and needs to be told how every character is feeling and what they're capable of constantly tadc styleI watched a vid last week that went "why is nifty joining with the overlords in hear my hope? she isn't an overlord. nobody has said she's an overlord and she just fights with a knife or needle. this must be some kind of mistake in the writing." it's like if you tell and don't show people call you hack but if you show and don't tell people are retarded and just think everything is a mistake
>>154345595No, don't bother. The guy is literally convinced that Abel is some bloodthirsty Maniac who's basically doing what Lute is doing. Oh and that Zestial is Cain. Genuinely.
>>154345547Here’s how the gift baskets actually happened.Because Sera is a coward, Abel wants Emily to be on his bed, and Emily is wowed up by Abel’s charming presentation.Sera wanted Abel and Emily to have the responsibility. And Abel cared more about rock and rolling her sister.
>>154345483Hot
>>154345599I don't think it's just this fandom, I think it's just... This generation? It needs to be spoon-fed to people, and sometimes even if the character says it right to the audience, some people won't get it. It's weird.
>>154345536You're on an anonymous imageboard, if you aren't allowing yourself to express your inner thoughts here where are you going to do so? Deranged but sincere posting has been a part of this site (and the internet at large) for longer than you've been alive. You'll get it when you get older, I imagine.>>154345524Glad to be of service
>>154345611Remember the lesson we learned earlier, femanon? Not every poster is the same person.
>>154345571Not sure if we're getting the sister fuckers plot point in Hazbin. Funny enough we probably won't see any other kids of Adam with the exception of his two oldest sons ( maybe also Seth if Viv knows he exists). Kinda funny that the show would still treat his daughters as afterthoughts.
>>154345656Sorry.
>>154345611Man I pop into these threads every few months and it's almost heartwarming to see his schizo theories not just still around but developing in ways I'd have never imagined. Now that I'm thinking about Zestial again, I hope we get just a slight taste more of the overlords again, it was fun finally getting a fucking name and voice for Maestro and I'd love to see more of what a day in the life managing a little corner of hell looks like
>>154345659Oh no, I was half joking. It's one of those things that's just for fanfiction. I'm 99% sure they're not going to even touch on that. Viv doesn't really have the stones to do it. And you know what, fair enough. They'll just gloss over it, I'm sure. Or maybe they'll just change the lore all together. Maybe somehow the daughters won't be Adam and Eve's daughters. Idfk.
>>154345674If I could be 100% honest.. I am morally curious as to the twists that are going to happen in season 3 and how that's going to affect Matpat's takes. It's almost like waiting for an episode of a sitcom or something.
>>154345599that niffty “complaint” is so stupid, especially after watching her 1v1 velvette. and we know nothing about her past, even in the pilot.god i fucking hate some people
>>154345703I love that Niffty is an Overlord or, was I guess. But knowing Viv, I have little hope that she's actually going to delve into that. And if she is, it'll just be a quick sentence or two. Like with Husk.
>>154345247If this Lute Eve schizo that gets pissed every time is that 30 year old, I'm going to start calling her Looty based on her twitter handle, because she needs a name at this point. Her and mat pat fighting really shit up the thread and it's so fucking uninteresting reading the same arguments
>>154345730What other arguments are to be had. It's either that or porn. Not even good porn. Really badly drawn vore and shit. Unless I'm getting confused with the trash thread.
>>154345677If I was Viv I would change it so that every one of Adam's and Eve's kids would have a bone removed by the angels so they could make them a new partner. It removes the incest bit and could be used as an explanation for the diversity of human features. Viv would probably add several races and give some of the kids same sex partners for woke brownie points.
>>154345599Tragically that really is the case, they whine if you tell instead of shoeing and they whine twice as hard if you actually show and don't tell. People are too damn stupid for their own good, and the worst of it is that they don't even necessarily have to be. They simply prefer to be so they can whine on the internet since that's the most satisfying part of the experience for em
>>154345730You do know there's like 2-3 of them right. That particular theory has been gaining traction for some reason lately. I think it's only going to get worse as season 3 gets closer and closer.
>>154345721I’m guessing her power level is at least Overlord Husk-tier, I don’t really need or want her to have a deep backstory though. Nothing wrong with a super strong schizo, maybe she ate a lot of souls or some shit, I dunno.anyone else here play disgaea?
>>154345595>I'm not entirely certain how you'd get a bloodthirsty read on Abel. It's a fun idea,It’s not bloodthirsty. I look at him as someone who is deeply pissed and manages to keep that anger under wraps because of Adam or struggles to properly execute it at all. So when Lute presents herself as someone who will enforce these feelings he has inside, he feels more compelled on enforcing why he wanted to be the head exorcist in the first place over why Emily chosen him to be the Head Exorcist.Not to mention Lute is the only one challenging the authorities on over looking the sinners and Adam’s death. But that is not why I would say, Abel would lose it over Lute Eve. He would lose it over Lute Eve because he was gaslighted for thousands of years, his mother is discouraged from interacting and connecting with him and Adam for that long, and yet they will act like they still have any rights over them after Adam died and they did nothing to fix it. Not even dropping the stupid Lute disguise crap when it’s becoming way too destructive.
>>154345750This shit might as well be /hhg/. Fucking matpat is here shitting up the thread and keeps derailing it with Looty for days. No shit I'm tired of it. /hhg/ is a cancer and this is one is devolving too>>154345764One of them is a Hispanic 30 year old that has a distinct list of proof so I'm still calling her Looty. We can give names to the other schizos later.
>>154337171Why Vivzie's fat guys look like christmas trees. Is it because she can only design faggot stickmen and drawing a fatso goes too much against her drawing philosophy?
>>154345819I’ll take Hazbin fat guys over One Piece fat guys any day of the week.
>>154345819Maybe she has a thing for Christmas trees?
>>154345819Because it's a cute fun visual design that stands out easily among her other designs? And also it's hot
>>154345819well adam’s design is clearly supposed to look like an A, he’s the big man himself, the Number 1mammon is just a fat clown
>>154345805Don't mind the Lute Schizos that much. Them picking fights with MatPat ain't a big deal since he tends to derail stuff regardless. At least they seem to piss him off enough till he leaves for a short time.
>>154345876>nonono those autists are okay it’s the other autists you wanna watch out for
>>154345876At least they're able to take up obscure interviews or whatever. So those are always fun to read, at least for me. Mat just pull shit out of thin air.
I'm probably kicking the hornet's nest, but.... Do we actually think Zestial is going to end up being important somehow? He confuses me. Matpat don't you fucking dare. He's not Cain.
we’re going to have to ban fantheory discussion at this rateyou’re all acting like a bunch of game theorists
>>154345902>they're the "good" kind
>>154345931YOU BETTER SHOW SOME RESPECTCHECK YOUR BEHAVIOR
>>154345935Is that not what 4chan is for. can you actually ban shit here
I think one big issue about Viv’s Hazbin Hotel is that despite the immense size of the project, the most interesting characters are Adam and Lute because they actually care about sinners being bad and evil and have far more compelling themes of love. Yet nothing about them is actually developed. The majority of the cast stands for nothing and bend over to billions of bad apples without question.
>>154345935>but that's just a theory. A GAME THEORY
>>154345960Watch me
>>154345966It's made funnier because they were strictly series-additions that weren't a thing in the pilot or in zoophobia or before then. Meanwhile Alastor, Lucifer, Charlie etc have always been around.
>>154345837I can agree with that but I overall don't like a lot of Bizzare designs of One Piece. It's like these are retard scribbles made to be funny but still put into the show with no changes or care for them to fit with normal characters.
>>154345931I mean he's important in the sense that he's a powerful and well respected overlord who probably has an interesting story to him, but I'd reckon he's not likely to be "important" to anything the main cast does as like a major player in a season sort of way if that's what you mean. He's just a neat guy, which is probably the best way to look at most of vivs characters. They're just neat, she makes a lot more neat guys than she has major roles for so lots of them are just that, which is fine
>>154345989No, I'm asking, can you actually do that on threads? Is that something that can be enforced? That's pretty cool. You should have done that ages ago.
>>154345954NOONESPEAKS TOZESTIALTHAT WAAAAAAaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYY
>>154345999Ironically, her characters are more enjoyable when she's not trying to actively do anything with them. Some are exceptions of course, like Adam if that's your game.
>>154346008You need to go back.
>>154346028What.
>>154345999>but I'd reckon he's not likely to be "important" to anything the main cast does as like a major player in a season sort of way if that's what you meanYeah, that's exactly what I meant. Okay I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks that. I like the idea of him being just some guy. Some cool spider fella.
>>154346024>her characters are more enjoyable when she's not trying to actively do anything with themVery true, Val is one of my favorite characters but I like all the stuff that’s not him and Angel Dust at the forefront of the story. Just seeing him interact with the other characters.The fight against Husk and Cherri was fucking awesome btw
>>154345931I feel like Zestial is the archetype Alastor SHOULD be. But no, he's an inssufferable faggot and a writer's pet instead. Too bad, hope the spider tophat will get a song at some point. Even the one line he gets to sing sounded pretty good
>>154346060>he's an inssufferable faggotwhy do you hate deer anontoo smug?
>>154346024I think I tend to agree, the plot will always feel worse than just giving these characters room to go about their daily business since they're quite fun and obviously better suited for whatever their usual bullshit would be rather than a high stakes story between heaven and hell
>>154345910No. It’s not thin air. I just grab piles of lines from the show, lore details. some trading cards, and visuals.Lilith Eve is pretty easy to back.Serpent Seed is damn uncomfortable because despite the most clear evidence just being text, Sera’s line declaring Adam the first human winner made Abel a huge oddity. And Lucifer offering sex to Eve is the clearest possible to that mystery and why Abel thinks Adam hates him. That and the design elements of Abel fits into Lucifer’s pink and gold colors, circus theme, and even outfits we’ve seen Lucifer wearing. Zestial Cain leans into Lilith Eve and Serpent Seed with how sinners work in the show. Zestial being a scarecrow implies he had a career in farming like Cain did. He has themes of being angelic like his name, implying he hates angels or angelic identities. His yellow green eyes and wings are kinda like a corrupted version of Abel’s and Adam’s golden eyes and wings, especially when all three normally wrapped their wings to their bodies. That he his murder methods are revealed by the cracks on the foreheads of skulls, when Abel is implied to be killed that way.My mind does mix up details at times since there is a lot going on in the show itself. Any newbies that go into it have reported how overstimulating the show is.Also I just realized something. Maybe the reason why Zestial is so obsessed with information before doing anything is because he thought that because Abel was literally the son of the devil, he thought killing Abel would end the seed war and instead he received humongous backlash and consequences.
>>154346205>Headcanon Alert
>>154346183that's obviously what hazbin was supposed to be but she got an amazon deal instead of an adult swim deal so it became shonen anime
>>154346177NTA but his weaseling out of the deal with Rosie felt so contrived when it was meant to make you be like "Wow he's soooo smart guys!!!" which rubbed the fuck out of me the wrong way. In comparison, his plan to get out of his deal with Vox actually *was* cleverly crafted, but compared to that lazy shit it just shows you how things will shake out in his favor because he's the super awesome keikaku doori man which is lame.
>>154346215Man, going back in time and putting Hazbin on AS really does sound like a hoot. I'd be concerned about losing the musical elements, though South Park still got theirs from time to time within the show outside the movie so hopefully we'd still get some
>>154346228Really? I felt like it was the opposite calling the way he weaseled himself out of Rosie's deal was clever while the thing with Vox was was stupid on stupid, but done in a funny way. I mean regardless, I don't think anyone came out of that thinking he was extremely smart. He wasn't particularly clever lol I worry though, that that's as machiavellic and strategic Viv can get. It worries me for Lilith.
>>154346205>Proves their point
>>154346265This is why caring about strategy in this show is dumb
>>154346265The Rosie deal feels absurd to me because it's assuming the deal would break if he was, at any point, not the strongest sinner in hell. But why in the flying fuck would that be how a deal with a demon works? He should be lucky it wasn't just a second of borrowed power before being taken away, engineering another sinners rise freeing you from a demonic bargain just feels downright silly and makes Rosie feel like she's an amateur demon. It'd be like Faust breaking free of his deal with Mephistopheles because new knowledge came out and meant that Mephistopheles was no longer holding up his end. Whereas with Vox he knew Vox can't help himself and would inevitably free him because that's just who Vox is. But yeah, that's what I'm saying, I feel she wants to sell him as this Machiavellian schemer and is simply incapable of doing that right, so it feels grating
>>154346358I have a feeling the deal was only done because Alastor was a much more powerful soul than she was and she wanted him and his power.
>>154346358It hurts because she could easily get writers that can make that happen. It just came across so amateur and funny, that this is as bad as the most powerful sinner in hell can get. Again. That's why I fear for Lilith... I don't have high hopes but I am really intrigued on what's going to happen. I want to give Viv the benefit of the doubt and say she's not going to be a Stella but....hmm
>Fallen Emily happens>She’s portrayed as a continuation of the cycle Eve and Lute experienced by being a naive and trusting soul.>She meets Roo and allows herself to be infected by her.
>>154346386I don't know if it was here in these forums or someone made a video on it but one theory says that Al is very powerful, presumably because of Roo, as in, his human soul. Hence why Rosie said she's never seen a soul like his, and basically what she did was just give him access to his own power, which is how he was able to break free so so easily. She's not actually supposed to be an amateur, she's supposed to be one of the more powerful overlords, right? So that's what it was showing, I guess? I'm not entirely sure. But then again Faustise did say in the past, not that it counts anymore, that Rosie is a 2-3 on a power scale of 1-10. Kind of ironic that she's supposed to be one of the more powerful sinners in the series, but they kind of just defaulted back to that.
>>154346414>Headcanon Alert
>>154346433Huh. It looks Rosie is Lilith, because every Morningstar is a FRAUD.
>>154346443"God fucking damn it Eve, not this shit again..."
Will Viv take this Bible line:>15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.And apply it to Abel
>>154346574>Because Lucifer already had sex with Eve, the Holy God reveals it’s a boy, and uses him to be the one who humiliates LuciferToo kino for Viv.
I'm pretty sure Rosie is Lucifer's creation. She acts way too much like him to be his wife. Plus I think the Lilith stans would be pretty upset that that Lilith isn't this queen diva that we've all been led to believe she is for several years. That's sort of her staple. To turn around and say oh, this is actually Eve and it's been Eve the entire time ?? Yikes
>>154346770If Rosie is an artificially-made Lilith and Lute isn’t related to Eve at all, that would be fine. I’ll even prefer it over Lilith Eve.
>>154346770Rosie acting like Lucifer is actually a good indication of her being Lilith. Because lovers are meant to reflect each other over time.
>>154346836Nah. Lute is Eve. Rosie is an artificially created Lilith. Lilith is just Lilith
>>154346851Which means this entire time the Lilith we've been knowing, night. I don't just mean in the series, I mean in general, Viv's Lilith was never Lilith. It's stupid.
>>154346882Looty. There is barely anything connecting Lute to Eve in the show. They don’t even look alike.Lute is her own unique character with a unique set of straight hair.
>>154346931Matty. We've been over this several times. Not going to go through it again.
>>154346900We’ve seen the real Lilith in family photos with a pearl necklace the Lilith in heaven never wears. And she looks a lot more upbeat and Lucy like in personality. More like Rosie. While the Lilith in Heaven acts like some kind of edge lord.
>>154346770Oh yes, people would get really pissed because even though we've never met her, we know who Lilith is. I also find it really weird that there would be no indication of this prior to the pilot. Lilith has always been Lilith. Now.. I could believe a switch with Roo maybe she's been around as long as Lilith has. Not only that.. it'd be weird having Eve as a Lilith twin who sounds exactly like her, looks exactly like her and takes up all her traits. What is even the point.
>>154346963Lilith hasn't even done anything. Her looking mildly annoyed isn't edgy.
>>154346976>I also find it really weird that there would be no indication of this prior to the pilot.It’s honestly more clear in the final show because we have Lilith in the photos that looks a lot more loving and happy and a Lilith we see in person that’s super distinct, cold, and mean.
>>154346987Look at the necklaces. The one in Heaven is wearing one that is literally black, sharp, and edgy. And the one in the photos is wearing one that is round, smooth, and white.
>>154347001>distinctdistant
>>154346931>>154346962Now kiss, and let Valentino film it
baked early bc im about to go to bed Goodnight>>154347970
