If you defend anything Jax does or try to make any kind of case for him, you unironically missed the entire point the author was trying to make with the character, and in fact, the whole show.This was made intentionally abundantly clear by the author as much as possible short of explicitly having the characters say it out loud step-by-step to the camera.There are zero moral or logical grounds for defending Jax in any regards. The other characters directly serve as potential alternatives with better natural outcomes (ex; ragatha was also parentally abused and didn't become a jax, Zooble is insecure and sensitive about her body but didn't become a jax, Gangle having difficulty with emotions and communicating but didn't become a jax, etc.)Even Pomni, the alleged main character really only truly serves as a stable contrast/foil to Jax, if not a mere canvas for him to express his emotions into. Pomni really doesn't change or grow much outside of becoming more comfortable with existing in the circus.The circus itself as a setting is propped up as a purgatory prison as to effectively deny any actual consequence for Jax when clearly any sane person would simply leave (you're trapped there) or fight/beat him (physical altercations seem entirely vestigial in effect) after short order.The entire show was built from the ground up around Jax, and how his entire existence in it was forfeit from the start.This remains completely in line with the fairly well known point that Jax is the author's pre-transition self-insert who they directly hate and make this painfully clear. This is a show by a trans person for trans people about trans people internal issues. I say that as a CIS straight guy who can just read the room.
>>154338353I don't think griefing in a video game is that bad though. Goose can tell me all she wants that Jax is terrible, but he is just a bit douche-y to me.
You are allowed to have personal opinions and interpretations of stories based around your own personal experiences. You won't die from it and is not a crime.Personally I'm always rooting for the villain to win because they are the characters I relate more and I would find more interesting, most of the time is not the intention of the author. Believe or not, I feel fine, my penis is not flying up and exploding in the air like fireworks despite that.You just happen to be a massive annoying faggot. But thats something we all can agree on.
>>154338353>If you defend anything Jax does or try to make any kind of case for him, you unironically missed the entire point the author was trying to make with the character, and in fact, the whole showAlready fails when they stress his parents abusing him into wearing masks like Gangle or acting like he does in the show and the one person he pushes to abstract is noticeably less worried about him possibly accidentally killing his abusive mum than he is when told about it. Saying defending him at all misses the point is contradicted by the show. Gangle's whole job was dehumanizing people and she forced that on the others in the circus until it became obvious she was starting to burn bridges. Ragatha is fake badly and often enough that Gangle outright says she'd rather risk abstracting than deal with it again when Pomni says go to her for help while crashing out. Ragatha had to be told by Kinger how relationships are actually supposed to work, all jax got from Kinger was the revelation that he was justified treating everyone as not real people despite him needing a guiding lecturing parent figure more. Zooble starts the show telling everyone to fuck off and insulting the others besides just jax for no real reason. Many people handle what the characters did better than them, not just jax.
>>154338506He's just a digital copy of an abused kid who had parents that tormented him into trooning out and killing himself instead of loving him. You had people complaining about him not treating the characters as real people for so long only for the show to reveal they're not real people. They're literally just part of the machine watching their real selves live just fine from the digital cuck chair. Caine treated them worse over less but he gets forgiven in no time by the characters, the fans give even less of a shit about what he did. He's allowed to torture them for an entire episode for no reason and only start acting right at the very last second after almost getting killed.
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>>154338506>>154338353Jax was unironically right in the gun episode.You should ham it up, it's a game.The problem is Jax is griefing in the between stages of a match also.Which is funny for about a day, but just got your mike muted, got your chat filtered/blocked, and eventually just led to everyone not playing to stay away from you.That is the problem.Jax needs to stop being such a retard on the off time and let everyone relax.Typical trans character, it's all about me it's all about me. Excessive stimulation, nihilism, and negativity.I called it on episode 3-4 and episodes 5-6 confirmed it, this is how every trans person i've ever met has acted post transition.
>>154338773The problem is Jax was trained to not trust people and make up multiple fake personalities just to drag out his existence a little longer. If his own parents just abused him for nothing you don't have much reason to expect better from others. The whole reason raping kids is so bad even compared to raping grown adults is any mistreatment can fuck them up for life. It's said all the time your mom is the only one in life that might care about you on a deeper level, if you expect women to be more caring it's "you just want a mommy you can fuck loser man up" etc. Jax wanted to keep it more casual and indulge in the superficial fun, the others wanted to dig deeper into him while not being even halfway qualified to handle that mess. It doesn't help that immediately after dealing with his abusive mother he's stuck with unlikeable women or one who's fake nice like Ragatha, if you already have trust issues this is not helping your fucked up mind.
>>154338353>you unironically missed the entire point the author was trying to make with the character, and in fact, the whole show.Authors are fallible humans that can be wrong about shit, dude. It’s 100% possible for a writer to intend to show something that is actually good as if it’s evil, or vice versa. It’s also possible for audience members to see nuances beyond “bad person is bad.” Stop being such a dipshit.
>>154338966Look at goose's tweet saying there will be no romance or confirmed ships then fast forward to Zooble obviously cracking Gangle in the end of the last episode. Princess Bubblegum and Marceline kissing at the end of Adventure Time was less obvious. I don't know how anyone can trust anything they say on twitter after that.
If you defend anything Bugs Bunny does or try to make any kind of case for him, you unironically missed the entire point the author was trying to make with the character, and in fact, the whole show.This was made intentionally abundantly clear by the author as much as possible short of explicitly having the characters say it out loud step-by-step to the camera.There are zero moral or logical grounds for defending Bugs Bunny in any regards.
>>154339004I don’t know anything about that, I just had the lack of ability to analyze art from the retards that should “media literacy” the loudest. Anyone still using that term at this point is guaranteed to be a complete retard that thinks that the only thing a story can ever be good for is the literal political message that the liberal writer would most likely agree with.
>>154338353Faggot you have 20 threads to have a melty about the cartoon rabbit in. Fucking kill yourself.
>>154339059Bugs Bunny did nothing wrong.
>>154339081“shout,” not “should”
>>154339098No, no, no, no, no, you don't understand, he's like a total asshole or something. Cartoon violence in a fictional consequence-free setting is NOT funny. If you identify with the rabbit you're probably a piece of shit IRL.
>>154338353Man, maybe if anyone checked his bad behavior instead of enabling him all that shit wouldn't have happened?I'm assuming that's why Zooble never went on adventures with them given one of her first acts was choking him out for stealing her hand to use as a backscratcher. It'd be hard for him to be presented that way if he had checks like that.
Media literacy says
>>154338353I just want to fuck him in the ass.
>>154339145Yeah but Zooble was also a bitch and too biased to properly correct Jax. Besides telling everyone to fuck off and insulting even Kinger who's barely aware of where he is as an introduction she wanted to fuck Gangle. So she started mate guarding and letting her off the hook for treating the others as corporate objects, while already being stuck as caines toys, despite Zooble seemingly being the most pissed off about the fast food adventure besides jax. When she complains about Jax it's to defend Gangle but she doesn't understand or care that Gangle would want jax to boss her around, even after the fast food episode. She takes it personally not just because jax is technically treating Gangle badly or generally misbehaving but because she wants to fuck her.
>>154338353Jax could have been "fixed", he was horrible but not irredeemable
>>154338773nah. the gun episode is an example of when chaotic evils have a healthy outlet to be chaotic neutral. their chaotic evil tendencies still exist
>>154339345he actively chose to refuse assistance multiple times from multiple people who he was closest with from multiple angles.You can bring the horse to every lake in the state, but you can't make that horse drink.
>>154338353>Dumb troon that makes everyone happier by killing himselfWhy would I defend him?
>>154338353The only person who hates Jax is Jax.
>>154339508Pretty sure Ragahta, Zooble, and Gangle all directly or nearly directly say they hate him.
>>154339539Never would have happened if Jax didnt hate himself and push people away at every opportunity.
>>154339589>if he wasn't an insufferable douchebag at all times, the others wouldn't hate himHow insightful.
>>154339439He didn't trust them and most these people weren't in much condition to help him heal from what his parents did to him. Again Ragatha's own trauma response in being constantly overly fake nice for approval probably just reinforced the damage. The same way Kinger, the supposed wisest of the group, telling him they're actually not real and jax's cope of treating everyone plus himself as archetypes who are just part of the machine instead of actual people was more valid than he ever knew only made the situation worse. And he revealed this when he was already about to abstract. Not like Kinger would give a shit since his own cope involved being unavailable to the others who needed help for most the show. I don't know why anyone would bother pretending jax was only effectively helped in the circus. These people could barely help themselves much less jax.
IF I SEE ONE MORE TRANNYJAX THREAD, I'M GONNA PUNCH YOU IN THE NOSE!
>>154338353>I say that as a CIS straight guy who can just read the room.and you completely missed your point
>>154339638because everyone treats it like Jax is somehow the other's responsibility and that they failed him when he was dead in the ribbit room scene and yes, as a matter of fact, they all did have their own burdens and bore them much better than him. Everyone treats him like hes owed special treatment, when his actions show the opposite is true.Sorry bro, we're all stuck in digital hell and I tried to talk to you, more than once. I'm not bending over backwards forever because you're figuring out tranny stuff and lashing out all day every day to everyone for months/years.The fact that jax discoruse has completed conquered the show more than shows the point that even while the others are fully relegated to little more than props in jax's tradgedy, its still not enough and he still was wronged.I got mad writing this.Jax deserved his suffering and Ragchads win eternally.
>>154339439If Ribbit managed to gain his trust, with some elbow grease Pomni could too, there just never were the right circumstances until it was too late
>>154339508>>154339539>Ragahta, Zooble, and GangleAt least two of those openly hated him but Gangle's relationship with him is more complicated. These also aren't very likeable characters either though. Even Gangle was sick of Ragatha's fake shit, then Zooble was a bitch and only let Gangle off the hook for what was wrong with her because she wanted to fuck. I'm pretty sure it's implied they all hate themselves until later too.
>>154339727>and bore them much better than himThey got better support than him, including Ragatha who was the closest to his level of trauma but still not quite as severe. Even Gangle refused talking with Ragatha when she desperately needed it because of how fake she was, if she couldn't trust Ragatha it was only going to be worse for jax who already distrusts people in general. Again Ragatha needed lecturing from Kinger on how to treat people right in relationships, all jax got from Kinger was the reveal that none of them are real people. To pretend that's the same level of support or help is delusional.
>Ragatha gets taught by Kinger how to treat people right>jax gets his worst traits that everyone complained about endlessly reinforced by Kinger in his final moments>jax hurts the others by refusing to trust them and treating them as not real people while being treated as irredeemable>caine baits everyone with a fake exit for a whole episode when the show starts off showing this is literally the type of shit that made kaufmo abstract>when they respond badly he dedicates an entire next episode to torturing them for not sucking his cock>takes almost being killed in desperate self defense and removing a part of himself to begin showing basic decency>still gets to live happily ever after with the others cus he heckin deserved itThe show handled things pretty badly but the people watching it are depressingly dumb.
if this is the actual way to interpret the character, then i feel that it shows a flawed understanding of accountability and mental illnessa lot of trannies have a history of being fucking awful people, and i say this with personal experience. i can also say with personal experience that the awful ones KEEP BEING AWFUL even after trooning. and they essentially bury their sins with their "male identity" without ever taking any accountability, that wasn't actually them, they've changed now and their terrible behaviour was because they were born in the wrong body. (not true, and they're still terrible)
>>154338506Yeah
>>154338353It’s about Goose’s identity death fetish. Also the fetish of a lot of fans.> moral or logical groundsGoose doesn’t care about this shit, he cares about getting involved in the right social groups for personal advancement and killing his identity to do so. And getting off.Jax’s issues are easily solved with real friends that aren’t mentally ill women or identity death fetishists.
>>154339145>>154341270You can definitely see that with some cis lady "cintamarine" who's been projecting onto Jax and retweeting trans women defenses. Streets say her friends would always enable her shittiness and victim complex and she always has to move accounts and names to find new victims to harm, and those same victims to pat her on the back until she harms or throws them away. It's no wonder she can only empathize with the trans if they're terrible.
>>154339439A whopping MULTIPLE PEOPLE?! Holy shit, some of them are even real females!Buddy, if you join the Catholic Church you will quickly run into hundreds of people concerned for your immortal soul and capable of helping it, just as a start.Kaufmo and Ribbit and Pomni ain’t shit in comparison. They are cute awkward idiots.
>>154340463Yeah, it felt like nothing really happened with this final episode. I was expecting some sort of pay off for everything the characters had to put up with, but;>the world you live in sucks, you're stuck here forever, the real (You) is alive and well>Good Ending
>>154338353>It you have a different opinion on X fictional character YOU ARE ONTHOLOGICALLY EVIL LOL!HATE that fucking shit.
>>154340463Oh, OP here. Thank God you said this.Caine has always and will always be the villian who got away with it because jaxshit overshadowed him. It wasn't the topic of this thread, and if it was its own, it would die 0 replies because it aint troontalk, but yes, Caine is and will always be fully irredeemable.
>>154338353>you unironically missed the entire point the author was trying to make with the character, and in fact, the whole show. The author gave up mid show. Why would I care what the author thinks? Picrel. "New guy" is correct and good.>the characters say it out loud step-by-step to the camera. Zooble did. Yet, if you look at how everyone actually acts, they mistreat jax much worse.>There are zero moral or logical grounds for defending Jax in any regards.Well, justice is when you punish guilty people for their crimes, right? No more, no less? What exactly did Jax do that justifies sexually assaulting him and physically assaulting him just because he doesn't want to be your friend?>ragatha was also parentally abused and didn't become a jaxRagatha was also female. Her mom, cruel as she was, at least gave her a way to succeed and paid for her shit.>Zooble is insecure and sensitive about her body but didn't become a jaxJax didn't become the way he is because of his body, and Zooble didn't have the same situation.>Gangle having difficulty with emotions and communicatingGangle is a comic artist. Her whole deal is communicating. She was just cowardly.>propped up as a purgatory prison as to effectively deny any actual consequence for Jax when clearly any sane person would simply leave (you're trapped there) or fight/beat him (physical altercations seem entirely vestigial in effect) after short order. Jax would have left long ago. In real life, he became a postman.>his entire existence in it was forfeit from the start. Nah, Pomni ruined it for him.>Jax is the author's pre-transition self-insert who they directly hate and make this painfully clear. Goose also loves Jax. She put everything she likes about characters into him too.>This is a show by a trans person for trans people about trans people internal issues. I say that as a CIS straight guy who can just read the room.I disagree. That's not obvious, if that's even true.
>>154338353Wasnt the point he would be a good person if he had troon out?
>>154339807I don’t understand why it’s so hard to get that you can empathize with Jax in a story without going go to either ridiculous extreme of either he earned death for having antisocial flaws or he was completely justified in being a cunt to people because of what he went through when even the show doesn’t take either of those angles lol
I’m a tranny (certified public crossdressing-doer, and recent estrogen-taker) and I hate this ending.
