>>154338480
Unlike the lipstick that will wash up after a rainstorm

Neil Rapeman

I was so pissed she died. She was like the only person who gave a shit about the main character.

>>154339117
And then her family buries her in a suit.

This was actually a big deal back in late 80s and Gayman was way ahead of his time.

And yet he still got roasted by tumblr 20 years later because he dared to let bad things happen to his trans character. As if they should have been immediately accepted and validated by everyone around them; as if simply depicting negative reactions to a trans person in a fictional work is anti-trans. It's astounding that he had to apologize for this trans-supporting story.

And look where his self-flagellation got him in the end.

>>154338480
Wholesome

>>154340254
No

>>154340214
>As if they should have been immediately accepted and validated by everyone around them
why not? this question is just as valid today as it was years ago.

>>154338501
>A fake cosmetic that still makes it blatantly obvious what the original is and will be washed away with time
Like Pottery

>>154340338
Nobody wants you

>>154340338

I'm a libfag and believe in trans right, but if you had written a story in 1989 about a trans person who experienced zero prejudice, your readers would be wondering when the character wakes up from their sinister too-perfect delusion dream.

The story depicted the harsh realities of the trans experience and ended by vindicating their identity at a cosmic level. You know, the kind of ideas you explore in art.

>>154340462
and yet it could've ended with the character not dying and living with the people who cared for her. high-minded ambitions are cold comfort to the dead.

>>154338827
Real Gayman.

>>154338480
Simon and Theordore are going to be pissed seeing his gravestone defiled like this.

>>154340622

How can you be so oblivious to the point of the story? The entire message is "the ignorant hateful humans may refuse to acknowledge you, but the universe knows who you really are". Her death and the supernatural context are essential to what the art is trying to convey.

Is America Chavez what you want from progressive stories about queer identities? Jesus Christ you people.

>>154341149
Gayman got it all wrong then

>>154341149
>muh universe
cold comfort

>>154340462
The probably pal is you’re trying to be rational with irrational people. I go through the same head ache with Allen Scott, who I believe was a much better charecter for gay rights when he was straight and had to learn to accept his gay son and push his prejudices away than just be the stereotype of closeted gayman angry at gay people. You want nuance and can accept that yeah stories can be progressive to people and harsh at the same time. I’m a republican and I believe this buddy.

>>154338480
did the chipmunks die? why would you dig them a grave each, just throw them over the fence

>>154340622
The big problem with writing characters who are women or some minority that for some reason they need to be representative of all members of that group. A black character can't just be black incidental anymore. A gay or transgender can't suffer because that means you hate all of them. I feel like real members of these group should be insulted by this kind of patronizing bullshit.

>>154341602
any white bastard will still see one black person and think they're all criminals, black characters in fiction do have to represent every black person because that's the reality.

>>154338480
Yeah, it was.

>>154338480
Knows Alvin's favorite color but not it's name

>>154338480
This is genuinely a great part of sandman but the bigots on /co/ will never admit it

>>154338480
lol gayman

>>154339236
Pretty sure that's a casket.
Or a very large brown thermos.

>>154341731
Cope

>>154341680
Don’t act like one

>>154338480
I don't know if lipstick could read that clearly on a tombstone...

>>154341680
You don't write for the bastards retard. They're the biggest minority. The average comic reader will accept any character so long as they're actually cool. You're both given them power and using them as a scapegoat.

>>154340214
>And look where his self-flagellation got him in the end.
He made his sons nanny literally eat shit.

>>154340214
For the most part, Tumblr loved Gaiman. People on that site prided themselves on chasing celebs away but when they'd make posts about it they'd add "but not Neil Gaiman! He's the only one we like!". People loved bringing him up as one of the good ones who always had the right idea. After Good Omens got a show, he'd get flooded with messages. At one point there was a trend where people sent him pictures of themselves reading his books in a bathtub. His life advice and snappy responses would hit it big all the time. Even the fucking Arthur screenshot where he's on a falafel had thousands of notes. It took the rape accusations for people to turn against him and even then a lot of people were reluctant.

>>154338480
It'll just come off in the rain. Or when the grounds keeper washes it off.

At least MC cares about her.

>>154339236
When a monster dies their body turns back into the human they used to be.

>>154340338
>why not?
Because you don't accept and validate destructive behavior. The people who do are evil and take pleasure in watching innocent people corrupt and kill themselves.

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>>154338501
>>154345374
The rightoid cannot comprehend beauty in ephemeral and fleeting experiences. Its why they are mired in AI nostalgia bait and pining for their days as a child.

>>154345396
Fuck off with that.

>>154338501
Fpbp
>>154340424
/thread

>>154345428
Right-wingers invented beauty, leftist.

>>154345434
When they die their "found family" laughs about it and moves on to another victim. Their real family, who loves them unconditionally, washes the gunk off their body and dresses them in respectable clothes before having a ceremony celebrating who they were.

>>154345428
>ephemeral and fleeting experiences
This means ejaculating and getting high.
This is what they make their whole lives about. Then they was poetically about how deep they are and how the people who work hard to support families "don't get it"

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>>154345478
Is that why you lot are making grotesques like Groypers and Soijaks? A dedication to aesthetics?
>>154345522
If you killed every rightoid, meth dealers would go out of business.

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>>154345478
>Right-wingers invented beauty, leftist.

>>154338480
Damn, "A tombstone named Wanda."

>>154345591
I just noticed the grass around it fucking dying as well, holy shit what are they even doing down there?

>>154345428
>The rightoid cannot comprehend beauty in ephemeral and fleeting experiences
mf, it's lipstick on a stone slab. the only thing it does is emphasize how meaningless and idiotic Alvin's "transition" was. Just as his assumed name will be washed away, leaving behind only his given one etched in granite, so too will all his pretenses at femininity rot away, leaving behind a skeleton that is unmistakably a man's.
Stop being media illiterate you faggot.

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>>154346828
Rightoids can only leech, they can't actually create anything of value.
>>154346828
Again, the obsession with longevity; your fixation on what is left behind over what was done in the little time we have on this earth is very sad to me. A corpse, too, is temporary; the worms and bacteria will get to the skeleton over the course of years.

>>154340462
>ended by vindicating their identity at a cosmic level
Genuine question, how does this happen? I remember him/her being rejected by the moon as not being a real female or something like that. If anything it's the opposite of being validated on a cosmic level.

>>154340874
Nice one

>>154345396
Always confused me. When a wolfman dies and turns back into a manman, what does that imply? Did the curse leave him with his last breath? Is the wolfman form an active thing, like flexing a muscle?

>>154347773
>what was done in the little time we have on this earth
Trannies are psychic vampires who knowingly, maliciously, gleefully make the lives of the non-trannies around them worse. But you knew that, being one yourself. Quite frankly being buried under your real names is better than you deserve. You should be cremated and your ashes flushed down the shitter, all evidence you ever haunted the earth destroyed in a water treatment plant.

Is this really the best discussion Sandman can get on nu-/co/

>>154348271
It'd be better if it weren't for the /pol/-trannies making everything about themselves.

>>154345545
>Is that why you lot are making grotesques like Groypers and Soijaks? A dedication to aesthetics?
Soijacks fags are an special kind of autistic bastards, but they are not retarded enough to reverse their groins, and hope that it doesn't literally collapse.

>>154348293
>make troonshit your OP
>"Why are these EVIL CHUDS talking about us?"

>>154340214
>And yet he still got roasted by tumblr 20 years later because he dared to let bad things happen to his trans character.

No, he was fairly criticised about certain ways his depiction had flaws and he himself admitted he could have done a better job and how he would today handle it differently because he had better understanding.

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>>154347773
I am dying from an stroke, it will be a mirracle if I reach the end of the year lucid, and not in a 24/7 dementia state. But even then, like cmon, that is just hippy shit. You don't have a vagina, you aren't a women.

>>154345428
>They can't comprehend fleeting beauty
>That's why they appreciate the fleeting beauty of their days as a child
Do I need to call you a retard, or is it redundant? I have some very fond memories from periods in my life that I appreciate but wouldn't want to replicate now.
>>154345486
I've lost a friend to this. They fell in with the wrong crowd and they became a badge of honour for that crowd which brag about how hard their existence is with her as one of their example. They turned a nice girl into a corpse by telling her over and over again she felt weird and liked overalls because she was 'trans'. She was just a bit autistic. Died with her breasts severed and looked so weird in the end. There's a lot of 'left' identifying people who think trans hate is baseless or driven by dogma. What is there left to bother trying to say to them, when they support kids and teens getting fucked up for life, with the only options left being 'pretend you don't regret it' or kill yourself?

>>154341433
>who I believe was a much better charecter for gay rights when he was straight and had to learn to accept his gay son

It was a minor subplot and all Alan did was be a bit awkward about it. It’s pretty disingenuous to claim something most people reading JSA wouldn’t ever even remember to be that memorable was a major win for gay rights in comics.

>>154341602
>A gay or transgender can't suffer because that means you hate all of them.

If all you do with such characters is kill/harm them then yes that is a problem because you just turn them into victims. That doesn’t mean bad things can’t happen but you do have to avoid the pitfalls of just writing transwomen as murder victims that a straight person then has to solve in order to bring justice to her and along the way learn to become less bigoted, which is an old victim trope

>>154348550
>you just turn them into victims.
That's exactly what they want in every single interaction I've ever had with them.

>>154348677
Maybe you should stop being an asshole to them

>>154348790
>Everything is YOUR fault!
Wow, you sound just like them

>>154340462
>I'm a libfag and believe in trans right,
You're a fucking filipino esl. Get the fuck off the english speaking internet and stop shitting it up with your derangement.

>>154348804
You’re not proving them wrong

>>154348804
It’s weird that you’re this obsessed

>>154340333
Yes.

>>154346208
Probably been a hot year and the grass isn't being watered. That or someone spilled a bunch of Hydrogen Peroxide.

>>154348494
Post friend.

>>154338480
This entire arc was dull shit with a "everything sucks, childhood fantasy must die because bad ideas deserve existence also, and that's what being a grown up is about, depicted via a completely pointless A-Plot and a do-nothing B-Plot.
The less Dream an arc of Sandman has, the more meandering it gets, and at least the tavern stories were self contained with their own resolutions.

>>154348790
NTA but that's literally the trans strategy for garnering public support as done by various organizations over decades now.
Quite literally using their victimhood as the rallying cry for garnering support.

>>154349741
Wow you mean to say that a discriminated minority group in their advocacy for rights and equality has pointed out the history of discrimination they’ve been subjected to? No way, Jose!

>>154349706
Sandman is such a mixed bag. I loved Seasons of mist, Overture, Dream Hunters, and Kindly ones. But the Tavern was blatant filler, The cereal convention was kindof dumb, and the tranny hurricane arc was weak.

>>154350061
Yeah, but that like the only thing they have going for them.
Trans pride is just pressuring people its saying their valid over and over again while lacking any official media examples of trans people doing anything to actually be proud about.
Where are the trans creators of breakthrough technologies, the trans heroes of renown ( not random events of survival like at stonewall I mean real heroes of grand action), or the great orators of the cause?
If they do exist the movement never brings them up in mainstream, instead they just drum on about the number of deaths and how tragic that is as they have for again decades.

>>154341267
This is in DC/Vertigo. The universe actually could comfort her.

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>>154348177
The rightoid projects, for he knows that he himself is a vampiric parasite that can only ruin things for others. One only needs look at the last twenty years of right wing politics globally to see how destructive it is for everyone.

>>154350239
I don't think the left or right are inherently evil but I do think he modern right is in a massive competency crisis in regards to proper management of civilization.
The failing of the modern right is that the real cold blooded competent operators of the 20th century cultivated a gaggle of useful fervor filled idiots and then in their complacency and ageing let those idiots get into real positions of power.
Likewise the right is not inherently anti-art, hell most commission artwork across history has been inherently conservative in the reasons for its creation and its subject matter, its just that Avant-Garde stuff isn't in their wheelhouse, and that in the focus on physicality, practicality, and wealth as the apex of conservative culture, leading to the "get a real job" mentality, led to a brain drain of conservative perspectives from the arts and ostracization for the ones who stuck around.

>>154350207
You’re mixing advocacy and fight for your rights and celebration of your history in a very stupid way
>Well I haven’t heard of any trans people doing anything!
Says more about your own ignorance on the subject (and media’s failure to talk about them in fairness) and what you choose to hyperfocus on than lack of real life examples, doesn’t it? Want comics specific examples? Jenny Blake Isabella created Black Lightning. Rachel Pollack was an accomplished author and for example wrote Doom Patrol after Morrison’s run.

>>154345545
>Is that why you lot are making grotesques like Groypers and Soijaks?
There were centuries of right-wing art before that existed,Tankie.
>>154345591
That entire city was created by right-wingers

>>154350239
That image is hilarious because your side is full of rapists.

>>154350486
Because they are all connected, you can live your life, but expecting other groups to care about you when your in-group can't point to any :great men" figures, then it comes across as desperate and pathetic, the trans movement is quite literally built out of pity before all else.
Not strength, or legacy, or even material solidarity, but pity and a need to be affirmed by everyone around you.
And despite being on /co/ comic and cartoon creators are not great people of history.
Ill make it easy, using the bal;ck community and their civil rights struggle as a contrast, who is the trans version of MLK, or DuBois, or Fanon, who is the trans version of Hewy P Newton and the Black Panther Party?
And if they exist why hasn't the trans movement exalted them to the same degree? Because I'm a goddam sociology major from California and I never heard of any in my 4 years

>>154338480
Delusional.

>>154350585
>other people can and should only care about your group if you bring forth “great men”
>you’re pathetic if you can’t point and say “see, we have this physicist and this artist to come from our group”

What kind of superficial knuckle dragging on the ground level worldview is this? Bigotry goes away if you just say “hey we have orators too”? If you haven’t immediately produced a MLK you’re worthless? Jesus fucking Christ, dude.

>>154350677
I was never the one to say that bigotry would go away nor that trans people were inhrently worthless, but the trans movement being entirely based off pity is pathetic makes make people like me not like said movement on a personal level.
Produce a leader or cultivate individuals that can live up to those standards within your movement or accept that people will find you annoying and pathetic despite giving you rights on again, grounds of pity.

>>154350677
Not him but simply existing doesn't entitle you to shit. You are repulsive mutants inside and outside who constantly seek to be seen. We have our damn problems. We shouldn't have to deal with yours as well. But you won't shut the hell up, you won't leave alone, and you go after children. Which is why when people hear "trans genocide" they think "yes please!" Because you won't shut the fuck up and leave alone while you live. You uncanny valley-inducing, walking parody of a human being!

>>154350750
>I can’t care about people’s rights unless you have first produced enough people who I can recognise by name as super famous and not only that but they also need to be great leaders of their movement and manufacturer of breakthroughs on different fields in order to qualify

Sounds like insane level of made up bullshit you tell yourself as to why it’s okay to ignore other groups and the discrimination they undergo. Basically hiding behind lazy ignorance to justify why it’s okay that discrimination exists and keeps happening

>>154350239
can a jew like epstein be a fascist? Or a Nazi? And is antisemitism a bigger shield than the accusation?

>>154350829
Lol, cope

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>>154338480
Talk about deadnaming. Am I right?

>>154339117
She was quite the tragic figure.

I'll never forget how we're entering into a digital panopticon with everyone, tranny and non-tranny, left and right, white, brown, red, yellow, all crushed underneath and you guys are still wasting time yelling at each other about trannies.

>>154351887
They cant shut the fuck up about trannies online; but if the rightoids had just gotten off their asses and hatecrimed altman and thiel none of this shit would be happening. Its all just obese retards screaming at their monitors now, you cant rely on conservatives for anything these days

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>>154345428
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdhTfofNJhU

>>154350777
>jeet calling anyone a repulsive mutant

>>154352675
He’s right

>>154341433
There is literally nothing "rational" about the trans movement unless you realize it's an exploitative venture capitalist movement based on the works of a pedophile that forced two twins to have sex with each other

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>>154352675
It amused me to no end how the left went from championing "minorities" against the West and calling for racial tolerance of mass inmigrants to very abruptly joining in on using a brown race as a go-to insult, all because of a domino effect arguably started by a brown leftist who wasn't satisfied with representative voice acting jobs being given to white people.

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>>154345428
>YOLO tard in 2026
You're a faggot
Get raped by blacks

>>154352346
>female avatar
>whiny male voice
Every time, no matter what side they claim to be on.

>>154352753
In your imaginary world?

>>154345545
>it's a tankie
KEK

>>154345428
Horses tend to only lie down when they feel safe and comfortable.

>>154352346
Videos like this prove that Idiocracy wasn't a comedy, but a prophecy.
The irony is, that natural beauty is dying due to corporate greed. Not any left-wing viewpoint.
But to idiots like this, pointing out the truth is "stealing" because the right-wing got ahead of the story and can more easily manipulate that truth.
Also, in before some retard says I posted too many words because they never learned how to read. And that makes them sad.

>>154352842
Retard do you not know the greater cultural impact of the hit piece that was pic rel in >>154352753 or are you jut a smarmy underage that lacks an argument?

>>154352956
>Idiocracy wasn't a comedy, but a prophecy.
We seriously need to take everyone of either political that says this faggotry, lock them in a room with a projector, and force them to watch more than one satire film.
This shit is as annoying to read as when leftists would compare everything to Harry Potter, before society collectively told them to read another book.

>>154352985
My point is that "memeing" a false narrative won't make it true, no matter how many brainlets agree with you.
And pointing out how it's wrong isn't "stealing" anything.
That goes for trannies too. Your false validation and wordplay won't ever turn you into a real woman.

>>154353184
You would have a point if the leftist vicegrip on the arts wasn't as bad as the right wing vicegrip on what we'll comparatively call "entertainment products."

>>154338480
Sandman lost all it's woke power after the creator ended up being a freak

>>154352965
Who on the left is using a brown race as a go-to insult?

>>154353292
>>154352675
Next gaslight?

>>154344644
Just like Erik kripke. I'm noticing a pattern here

>>154353292
All the leftists who attacked JD Vances wife? The leftists who use it every day because they think it will make 4chan support their causes

>>154352753
We're using it because political parties and foreign governments are paying browns (aka you) to shill toxic politics in esl monkeyspeak. Go away.

>>154353373
So you admit immigration is a bad thing?

>>154353373
"Toxic" policies like "trannies need to stop going after kids?"

>>154349005
>>154349063
Objectively trans women and men, and especially the ones presented on the internet (white, middle/upper class), are one of the least murdered minorities out there. Trans people have murdered and raped more victims than *be* the victims, and at least half of that is explained by the other risky jobs they take like prostitution.

>>154353312
Oh that’s “leftism” now? LMAO

>>154353370
>All the leftists who attacked JD Vances wife?
I don’t see to recall leftists being racist again Usha. Meanwhile right wingers were and JD like a cuck just laughed it up because he knew the right wing base won’t like him pushing back against racism

>>154340214
>he had to apologize
He didn't have to, he caved in like a coward

>>154353571
>Trans people have murdered and raped more victims than *be* the victims

Pretty bold claim

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>>154353905
>Oh that’s “leftism” now? LMAO
Your IMMEDIATE next line is gaslighting to cover up for "them"(you). Don't even start this shit.

>I don’t see to recall leftists being racist again Usha
Aside from you just showcasing your own dishonesty, you fags went after one of Trump's kids to try to paint him as autistic. Hypocrisy isn't out of character for you lot, and that's something even the not-completely-triberotted within your ranks recognize.

>>154353995
Blah blah more schizophrenic babblings about the left

>>154354047
I accept your concession, now please leave until you turn 18.

>>154340338
Why should we validate self destructive desire to castrate oneself, alter own biological processes through puberty blockers? Why should we fund medical procedures when the doctors themselves don't guarantee positive outcomes (lack of regret for irreversible changes, reduction of suicidal desires, satisfaction with altered body)?
Why should spaces that the society guarantees to be for women, like female toilets, dressing room, or prisons should be open to men identifying with as women?
Why should women compete against men identifying as women in sports?
Why should we remove mother and father from our IDs and birth certificate and replace them with some dumb parent A/B?
Why should we tell people what they want to hear, instead of what they need to hear?

>>154354246
>Why should we validate self destructive desire to castrate oneself
What about transmen? Why are you always talking about dicks so much?
>alter own biological processes through puberty blockers?
Puberty blockers are used to treat cis kids too, and they’re not permanent medication, just something use to give families time to figure shit out

>Why should we fund medical procedures when the doctors themselves don't guarantee positive outcomes
Research shows gender affirming care and transition helps and is a net positive
>Why should spaces that the society guarantees to be for women, like female toilets, dressing room, or prisons should be open to men identifying with as women?
Why do you want to force burly transmen into women’s locker rooms if this is your argument?
>Why should women compete against men identifying as women in sports?
Do you even know how many trans athletes there are in your home state? Being trans doesn’t automatically make you better than everyone else. Riley Gaines didn’t even lose first place to a trans swimmer, she came in sixth so that means FOUR other cis women did better than Riley OR the one trans swimmer in the competition. Trans women are women, it’s simple as that. Transitioning isn’t steroids.
>Why should we remove mother and father from our IDs and birth certificate and replace them with some dumb parent A/B?
Why would that be a problem? It hurts your feelings that a form uses the wrong language?
>Why should we tell people what they want to hear, instead of what they need to hear?
And what they need to hear is endless hatred and bigotry by people who want to revoke every available healthcare option from adult trans people because ewwww what about muh feelings on the matter?

>>154338480
Troorns aside, Game of You is the weakest arc in the whole series. Pure filler.

>>154354246
The same people who cry about trans people in sports don’t give a single fuck women’s sports otherwise, let alone “fairness” in sports. If they did they would be demanding people like Michael Phelps to lose his medals because his physiology is too perfect for swimming and thus unfair to other men, and demand limits on testosterone and other biological advantages some men have naturally while most don’t. After all how is it fair some athletes to be able to workout endlessly without it impairing their recovery while others can’t replicate that.

And all you achieve with anti-trans shit is harassment of cis women. You don’t look “feminine enough” according to some random nutjob and you get cops called on you? It’s absurd.

>>154354458
Nah, that's world's end
>Ummm what if we spent ten issues sitting in a quirky tavern and talking
What was the fucking point?

>>154353919
- Tumbler Ridge shooting (8 dead, 27 injured)
- Annunciation Catholic church (2 dead, 17 injured)
- Mia Bailey (2)
- Harvey Marcelin/Marceline Harvey (1)
- İsa Aras Mersinli (10, 12 injured)
- Kairah Kelley (caught with cp)
- William Kelso Flournoy IV (raped a infant girl)
- Jessica Smith and Paula Stanton (attempted to groom and masturbated in front of nurses respectively)
- Robert/a Dorgan (3)
- Alice Attwood (cut open daughter's esophagus)
- Craig Baxter/Kitty Swallows (multiple kids sent porny dms)
- Ophelia Bauckholt (1, Zizian)
- Dani/Daniel Senecal (raped a kid, made threats)

vs like 5 cases in Europe and 31 cases in America in 2025 where trans sex workers/workers "of color" were very overrepresented. I limited my search to Europe and America too.

The wiki article on it also states that half of them were killed by people they were "sexually intimate" with, primarily black HSTS trans women, etc. Some of the deaths aren't known to be related to transphobia. Cis women were killed by their intimate partners at about 51,000 in the same year, 2023. There have also never been murders by TERFs against trans people, but there have been murders of TERFs by trans people.

So white trannies are not exactly the ones that should be clutching their pearls and screaming about how they're all going to be executed.

>>154355156
Sorry, I meant to add that according to the HRC, 32 trans people were killed in 2023 by gun/interpersonal violence by comparison to the 51,000 cis women.

>>154354413
nta, but your responses are shit.
>Why are you always talking about dicks so much?
Because trannies are hypervisible, and pooners aren't as obnoxious.

>Puberty blockers are used to treat cis kids too
Same logic as "steroids have medicinal use, therefore anyone should be able to inject themselves with as much as they want!"

>Research shows gender affirming care and transition helps and is a net positive
Weasel wording on both what "care" is and what "net positive" means.

>Why do you want to force burly transmen into women’s locker rooms if this is your argument?
There is literally nothing in anon's post that implies that. The logic purely comes from your whataboutism, but for all you know anon could very well not want pooners to be a thing either.

>Being trans doesn’t automatically make you better than everyone else.
Pooners actually are tested for the amount of testosterone in their bodies and excluded from competing if their testosterone is too high explicitly because this was an issue.

>Why would that be a problem?
Advocating for a change needs justification because of the administrative overhead.
>It hurts your feelings that a form uses the wrong language?
That is literally why you would want it changed, so nice DARVO.

>And what they need to hear is endless hatred and bigotry by people who want to revoke every available healthcare option
The hatred of trannies comes from years of being exposed to you and asked that we abandon decency for a group with a pedophilia problem that makes the Catholic Church look modest, while you scream for us to wax your (lady) balls and demand gynecologist appointments for your SRS holes. We want you to stop being annoying sex pests, and that's been too much for you lot.

>>154355156
>but there have been murders of TERFs by trans people.
Don't forget the trans community collectively agreeing that Charlie Kirk's assassination was a good thing and started saying shit like "human fruit gusher"

>>154354586
People DO limit steroid use you disingenuous asswipe.

>>154354246
Hold on homie, I hate trannies as much as the next goy but getting rid of female spaces is based as fuck.
Woman are dedicated to shutting down male spaces, it's only fair to do the same in return.

>>154355950
They never should’ve gone after videogames, the trans movement really picked up after gamer gate.

It’s crazy how we argue over this shit while the elite sit in their ivory towers, enslaving children, killing nature, and destroying culture. They play us like fiddles and we all sing the tune, too arrogant and self righteous to see the real oppressors.

>>154340424
Kek

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>>154340462
> I'm a libfag and believe in trans right
You’re part of the problem

>>154339117
>She

>>154356094
The peak of this to me will always be that Proctor and Gamble was involved in an overseas child labor scandal during the whole commercial controversy?
M&M shoe thing? Overseas child labor scandal.

Really, it's a running pattern. Almost every "woke" commercial controversy of the 2010s was a dead cat for an overseas labor scandal.

i don't get the hate for transpeople honestly

>>154356094
Man, considering all those issues it sure would be nice for leftists to back down on some identity issues for now to link arms with people who might agree with most of what they promote instead of endlessly purity testing their potential joiners and kicking them out if they don't match their exacting standards then.

You'd think if the class war and "the rich" was so much more important to them than identity issues they wouldn't participate in the culture war or gloat whenever they kick conservatives or centrists from any activist meetup no matter how much they've contributed.

>>154356094
Considering that those same elites helped push this identity politics shit, sit back down.
This is the same shit that they used to poison OWS, and you're repeating it for free.

>>154354586
>And all you achieve with anti-trans shit is harassment of cis women
And thats based.

>>154356411
You'd also think they'd be against woke culture (funded by billionaires) and against immigration (used to lower wages and increase house prices)

Yet these two positions get you labeled far-right

>>154352985
>before society collectively told them to read another book
*before liking Harry Potter became a thoughtcrime for leftists that had to be atoned for by salivating over hypothetical violence against JK Rowling

>>154357984
"Read another book" predates that but your mind is in the right place.

>>154354586
Anon, do you know how important sports scholarships are? Most parents with daughters wouldn't want them to lose a free ride to college over some skinwalking incel who snitches to the faculty if the girls don't want to get naked where he can see them.

>>154358017
>"Read another book" predates that
And it didn't do shit.

>>154349468
Fag

>>154358060
Point taken.

>>154358039
How many sports scholarships have been lost because of trans athletes? How many of them were transmen and how many were transwomen? Oh right you have no clue if there’s been any because you’re just a bigot grasping at straws to seem sensible when in truth you’re just using “fairness” as a justification to discriminate and exclude certain athletes

>>154338480
You know I think it’s really funny that I’ve lived through an entire cycle of pre-woke 90s, woke left vs anti-woke left and post-woke left to see the rise and fall of stunts writers like Neil Gaiman.
>1990s to 2015, Shocking and Profound!
>2016 to 2024, hey guys this is unmm Problematic!
>2025 to now, Gaiman is The Devil

>>154356832
The left is for better working conditions, better wages and increase in minimum wage, universal healthcare, universal childcare, better public housing l, environment protections, etc.

Right wingers meanwhile kick people out of their health insurance, make children starve when they cut food benefits, make basic social safety net programs more burdensome to get, give rich tax cuts and deregulate at the expense of environment and everyone’s health to profit the rich and corporations and of course the ever classic discrimination and disenfranchisement of minorities.

Was Gaiman always just full of shit or was he actually trying to be progressive or at least trying to be good?

I guess I’m asking was it always about getting Goth pussy or what?

>>154358183
Lol you people steal scholarships then sue when people catch on.
https://www.maldef.org/2025/08/maldef-files-discrimination-lawsuit-on-behalf-of-transgender-volleyball-player-denied-scholarship/

You just hate women.

>>154358259
Nice fanfic

>>154358259
Your reddit faggotry hasn't been true for years.
>The left is for better working conditions
For your jobs only.

>better wages and increase in minimum wage
One of the talking points that you people made when Trump rallied against illegal immigrants was that you allegedly need a slave caste to do our farming, and you'll turn a blind eye to globalism using literal slave labor.
You don't want better working conditions and wages for society, you want it for yourselves for entry-level positions.

>universal healthcare
Read: HRT and pill culture for children.
If I were wrong about that there would be a push from the left to unfuck big pharma.

>better public housing
Read: shoving section 8 housing in suburban America to encourage white flight and buy out those home so Blackrock can buy them out for AirBNB listings.

>environment protections
California's wildfires would like a word.

>make children starve when they cut food benefits
Very disingenuous posting. Most food benefits in the US cover junk food alongside basic necessities, and the US nutritional system is so fucked that these food stamps are basically used to funnel money towards slop vendors. A similarly made disingenuous argument would be "why do you want kids to be addicted to junk food?"

>give rich tax cuts
Who cares? I see leftists repeat this all the time, but who genuinely cares? For how often you fags lean on this point, you never actually give a reason to give a shit beyond anything that also doesn't justify cutting extraneous spending.

>at the expense of environment and everyone’s health to profit the rich and corporations
Again, there's no push from the left against big pharma.

>and of course the ever classic discrimination and disenfranchisement of minorities.
The "disenfranchisement" part makes me laugh because you dumb fucks can't ever settle on what that means, so no amount of pandering will ever be good enough for you. Because that constant dissatisfaction is leftism in a nutshell.

>>154345428
Gottem

>>154345005
>At one point there was a trend where people sent him pictures of themselves reading his books in a bathtub. His life advice and snappy responses would hit it big all the time
Holy fuck why is the average woman/tumblrite so boring?

>>154358866
The last book I read by Gaiman was American Gods, and nothing in it came close to the beginning dropping a "hard R" and a woman unbirthing someone. The rest was a lot of nothing.

>>154338480
Cute blonde. Tell me about her.

>>154338480
Cosmo

>>154350571
my side has rapists who still have to pretend to be ashamed about being a rapist and then cause a controversy for their hypocrisy, because my side is still, on paper, anti rape. your side is full of unashamed, proud rapists because you values idolize inflicting misery on the weak. scum acts like scum, it's not newsworthy so it gets less press.

>>154340214
I don't consume most modern stuff, I do believe a little bit that racial/gender/identity was handled better in media of the past since they had real writers while in the modern day most writers who can talk about certain subjects can only do so in unregulated fanfiction.

I also think everybody has developed more of a "policing" over what movies should be on both sides. For example Apollo Creed was beloved in Rocky and now if a black character is on screen people will seethe out of their ass. Because of that, everybody is more focused on "making it right for representation" instead of making characters actual characters since flaws have the chance to harm someone's identity.

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I love threads like this.
Much like the women they try to mimic, the biggest asset in promoting "transphobia" is letting trannies talk.

>>154356094
Quit being a faggot. We all hate each other, always have always will. Forcing us at gunpoint to integrate with each other has been a massive mistake, nothing but a pressure cooker leading to Queen Orange Nigger and the American Century of Humiliation. Civil War is inevitable, didn't have to be this way but gubbermints monopoly on violence has lead to it. It's inevitable.

>>154338827
Neil "Open marriage so open my wife falls on the dick of a man on the other side of the pond" Gayman

>>154354458
I think Soft Places/Dream Country is worse. I also think Doll's House is poorly paced and goes on for a bit too long.

>>154361916
There's a reason that before people really knew what trannies were like, "acceptance" was comparatively high--but now that they've shown their asses as being weird creepy pervs that see nothing wrong with public hedonism and degeneracy that support keeps sinking.

>>154358321
How is that theft, you stupid motherfucker?

>>154358503
You can actually smell the right wing seethe and malding from all that whataboutism and empty deflection

>>154356171
Oh, I thought the pineapple thing was shoving it up her vagina and then squirting it out upside down.

>>154353995
I really like this picture, I'm saving it because these faggots have increased the raids the last week, for whatever reason. Always the same kvetching.

>>154363360
There’s a reason the more widely accepted trans people are in general society, the further their deranged haters spiral into astroturfing gibberish and impotent culture wars. A very sad reason.

Nta Bruh wtf transphobia and homophobia are on a sharp rise? Your leftist government imported a shit ton of queer phobic minorities worldwide and now those minorities are attempting to usurp the majorities everywhere and make everything like their homelands. Fucking idiot freak. >>154364943

>>154353995
>Only right wingers get to be assholes!

It’s weird how the “I Just Says Like It Is” party always whines about how other people don’t treat them with silk gloves after all their own open bigotry and hatred.

>>154364980
GLAAD ALERT Desk Data Shows Dramatic Rise in Anti-Trans Hate Incidents | GLAAD https://share.google/sfN6MJRZejdx67SuO

>>154348494
I spent the 80s arguing for marriage equality
I don't regret it
Troons piss me off

>>154348495
>It's disingenuous because I wasn't reading comic books when it happened
Fuck off then

>>154340622
>The story must validate a happy ending
You must take your fucking autism pills, that's not the responsibility of any narrative

>>154341680
>I know what everyone else thinks
You are not actually the main character

I actually liked this character, they weren't mean. Yeah Gaiman is a lefty and so his pet characters will reflect that (he spent too long on Hobb's slavery white apology arc) but there's still value in Sandman for being unique instead of capes or overt messages.

>>154344644
His, her own or Amanda's

This thread upset someone
That makes me smile

>>154365058
Why? It's ruining a perfectly good Sandman thread, how small of a person are you? :/

>>154365077
Well I guess when I clicked on the thread I expected some rage and I got it?

>>154365077
>how small of a person are you?
5'9" is average, so stfu

>>154347773
>the obsession with longevity
Different people value things you don't necessarily value
In the good old days you would state your view face to face, and then your parents took you to the orthodontist

>>154348465
>an stroke
What goes through your tiny fucking mind when you use the only article specifically meant to precede a noun beginning with a vowel before one beginning with a consonant?
Do you never hear what you type in your head?
Could you figure that one out before you're in a hospital bed with tubes coming out of every hole in you?

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>>154365089
Baka
>>154365091
I bet you're cute, you should smile more

>>154355848
Hey hey I'm as cis and straight as they come but that's fucking hilarious

>>154350061
Look, it's like this
When a gay kid gets dragged to death behind a pickup truck it's bad for the message to point out he was trying to cheat a drug deal and they didn't actually give a fuck about his sexuality

>>154355848
I mean, Kirk death was funny
>be pro life
>dies
lol

>>154365144
>What goes through your tiny fucking mind
an stroke

>>154350207
>Trans pride is just pressuring people its saying their valid over and over again while lacking any official media examples of trans people doing anything to actually be proud about.
They're parasitical gypsies on the actual LGB movement

>>154350486
>Jenny Blake Isabella created Black Lightning.
No, Tony did that
Jenny hasn't done shit

>>154354413
>What about transmen
https://youtu.be/c7SejKO431o the only voice that matters

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>>154364989
>GLAAD
Well shit if the Big Fags Association says that fags in dresses are poor heckin victims, then I guess it must be true.
Do estrogens rot your brain or were you retarded from the start?

>>154354586
>The same people who cry about trans people in sports don’t give a single fuck women’s sports otherwise, let alone “fairness” in sports. If they did they would be demanding people like Michael Phelps to lose his medals because his physiology is too perfect for swimming and thus unfair to other men
Hi
Actual parent to a female competitive swimmer
I gave many fucks about women's sports while she was competing in events as a sports dad (the last thing I ever imagined being). When a fucking loser in every category suddenly decides he's a woman so he can compete again, knocking hard-working females off the lists while HAVING FUCKING ERECTIONS IN WOMEN'S LOCKER ROOMS, yeah suddenly my born and bred liberal Democrat persona wants him to have to compete only with other troons. No one holds Phelps' bizarre wingspan wider than his height against him or his resistance to fatigue poisons because everyone in competitive swimming knows the reason he has all those fucking medals isn't genetics, it's because the man never once missed a practice in his entire life. EVER.

>>154358286
>Was Gaiman always just full of shit
He was one of two comic book writers actively promoting ArkhProject when most visual novel devs knew the lead dev was a fraud who cried discrimination while collecting money (and screaming about how much they, a black person, loathed "niggers"). He was always full of shit.

>>154365345
>knocking hard-working females off the lists

So you’re crying that a trans swimmer came in fifth in a competition and that’s the end of the world for other female swimmers? Yeah that does sound like unhinged freakout for no reason other than your girl not being good enough to win an actual top spot

>>154365017
If it’s such a milestone why does it never come up except when fucks like you bitch about Alan being gay? There’s way more mileage to be had from Alan being a closeted gay man during a repressive period of time than him being awkward once about his kid after being an absentee father for most of his son’s life

>>154365077
Sandman is a pro-LGBTQ comic so it’s the person endlessly throwing bigoted tantrums about LGBTQ people existing is the problem

>>154365403
No

>>154365393
>I get to decide which story is better
You get to sit down and shut the fuck up until you've read comic books as long as the rest of us without consulting Wikipedia, YouTube or ChatGPT

>>154365403
>This is all one person, I SWEAR!
some day poster count will return

>>154365245
When you start throwing your fellow queer people under the bus to please bigots you soon find that those bigots are now targeting you. Trad wife movement has repeatedly found this out, terfs have found this out, even log cabin republicans have this find out.

But in your case I’m sure it’ll be totally different

>>154365425
Okay, it’s the MULTIPLE bigots melting down about queer people existing that ruins a Sandman thread. Happy?

>>154365371
>came in fifth in a competition
Yeah because the actual woman who would otherwise have taken fifth is demoralized to see Title IX and her efforts turned into a fucking joke just so Boner Dude can finally place, after him LITERALLY failing as a man in sports.

>>154365429
>to please bigots
To validate their own efforts and struggles not to please bible waving retards, you can't possibly comprehend this being an anal polyp on actual human rights

>>154364985
A quarter of a million raped in uk by pakis

>>154354413
>Puberty blockers are used to treat cis kids too,
To stop shit, not to promote shit, what?

>>154354586
Michael Phelps didn't won by larping, he won via biologics and effort The.former.that women cant compete with it

>>154354413
Idgaf what your research and studies show, I don't want to pay for anyone's stupid medical shit but my own. I don't care if you're a 300 lb. tranny with both types of diabetes and on two dozen different medications who would die from going a week without the modern world, I'm not going to pay a single red penny for amy of it.

>>154361472
>We may be rapists but we are the GOOD kind of rapists!
Pardon the zoomerism but
are you deadass

>>154365454
Transwomen are women

>>154354413
>Research shows gender affirming care and transition helps and is a net positive
By reducing the suicide attempts from 41 to 30%? Thats it?

>>154365494
Yeah what the fuck are you babbling about

>>154365523
Ah so when cis man beats other cis men by simply having superior physiology it’s okay that his biology gives him unfair advantage and “fairness” only starts to matter if you’re a trans athlete. Why does you people then force transwomen compete against women?

>>154365523
>biologics
Don't use words you don't understand Timmy, that means a class of medications that didn't even exist when he started practicing or competing.
Again, he had genetic advantages which aren't an issue but he was an Olympian because he never once skipped a practice. Persistence.

>>154365552
They aren't females which matters more here.

>>154365586
>genetic advantages aren’t an issue
Then why do you bitch about trans athletes? You’re a complete hypocrite?

>>154356094
Trannies took tf2 from me, something no politician has done.

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>224 posts
>a whopping 4 results for "dream" in a Sandman thread
Nice going fags

>>154365552
How so?

>>154365602
The thread is about a Sandman story that validates the existence of trans people, not about Morpheus

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>>154365596
I'm a TF2 player myself, been playing since before the Uber/F2P update and I get what you mean, but I think that is the only possible fate for any Valve game, because Valve has always been a company that espoused progessive politics. Alyx and Demoman may seem like no big deal now, but before the Overton window shifted it was properly considered an act of inclusion and "progress", not correlated to the fact that both are actually proper characters.
Since Valve has, to this day, aligned itself with progressive politics, there's no much that could've been done to avoid such fate, we were always in their "territory" to begin with, even if they are the ones shitting all over it.

If we're talking vidya, it's much more upsetting that something like Final Fantasy got co-opted by troons with FF14. Not like it was promoting white supremacism and Agartha before, but there was a clear set of values and belief being promoted (faith in the king/centralized government, enforcement of the gender roles of old and finding value in objective beauty, to name a few) that nowadays would be marked as unquestionably right-wing. The most progressive they got was in promoting eco-friendly values opposed to capitalism (which really happened in one game, FF7, and is not something that could be considered left-wing only nowadays) and having black people in the cast. Now we have a tranny cat Gary Stu.
This is the fault of S-E too of course, a disease of this kind doesn't propagate without the collaboration of the people at the top, but it's sad to see because it's a series that was as distant from whatever distorted, ugly bullshit lefties promote nowadays as a world-wide phenomenon could get.

>>154364779
The only thing that anyone can smell is the body odor of an unhelathy adult NEET on estrogens.

>>154365782
>Final Fantasy was about enforcement of the gender roles of old and finding value in objective beauty

LOL
LMAO
ROTFLMAO

>>154365836
I accept your concession.
I don't accept you molesting children though, so kill yourself.

>>154365866
You lost

>>154345396
Exactly

>>154365894
Not this argument. Don't think I'll let you dodge the fact that you're a brainlet.

>>154365910
Sure, sure

>>154345522
>This means ejaculating and getting high.
Well no, our entire lives are ephemeral and fleeting experiences

>>154365628
>>154365628
Validating mental Illness is heinous Like telling schizophrenics they don't need to take medication and they just experience an alternate reality that is equally valid

>>154365836
Nothing says enforcing old fashioned gender roles more than *checks notes* Tifa beating up men with her fists, Rinoa being an underground resistance leader and freedom fighter, Lightning being a former soldier…

>>154348494
condolences for your sister if true
every time I read detrans stories is like reading a psychological horror.

>>154366001
And you so care about the mentally ill when you legislate how they can use the bathroom, calling all of them pedophiles, using them as a slur term, demand seeing their genitals, etc.

>>154366084
That’s a good thing

>>154366084
>>154366084
You sound like a screeching child from Reddit or a adult man child who never developed properly, Mental illness should be treated clinically not swept under the rug giving them a pat on the back and saying you're fine you don't need any sort of treatment good luck in society

>>154341680
>think they're all criminals
not all, but 90% chance that the nigga will chimp out over some retarded honor based delusion doesn't help

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>>154366060
>Tifa beating up men with her fists
Tifa beats up monsters, which in-game sometimes are also men, but there's no moment that the plot (not the gameplay) shows her beating up a man. The only actual fight that is in the plot is the one she has with Scarlet. Another woman. And it's a slap fight.

>Rinoa being an underground resistance leader and freedom fighter
Rinoa is not the leader of the Forse Owls, Zone is, and Rinoa has the role of a strategist. She's not nicknamed "the princess" because she's a frontline fighter.

>Lightning being a former soldier…
I don't know how you could think that FF13 was what I was thinking of when talking about "old FF" (or when it was a global phenomenon), the very chapter before FF14 and the one that marked the series for death. It's clear you're a retard, but this also underlines your complete lack of reading comprehension.

I suppose "enforcement of the gender roles of old " is not the right wording though, I bet a better way to say it would be "clear definition of masculine traits for male characters and feminine traits for the female ones", as verbose as it is. All the female fighter and soldiers in the old chapters were young beautiful women with big boobs. The "roughest" a female soldier looked in the series was Beatrix due to her eyepatch, and she still had lipstick and big boobs.
As expected, you people take a role of superiority for granted, but when it comes to prove it you completely fall short, mostly due to utter ignorance of the subject matter and a general lack of ability to think.

>>154366195
Holy fucking cope

>>154366206
I again accept your renewed concession.

>>154366115
A bigoted online chud of course knows better than actual medical professionals who study and treat their patients and see the immediate effects that has on them

>>154365594
>why do you bitch about trans athletes
Because their advantages are an entire class above longer arms that qualify them outside of female athletes
Let them compete with other trans athletes

>>154366084
Yes
Gay people are fine
You're lepers

>>154366252
Of course all you care about is the immediate quick effects rather than the long term effects just like a snake oil sales or a faith healer

>>154366252
"Bigoted" is not your magical "I win the argument" word and trying to unironically use "chud" as an insult here only identifies yourself as the kind of person who can't survive outside /t4/ or TADC threads

>>154366195
>uhhhh uhhhh gameplay doesn’t count!
>if you have big tits you can’t have masculine traits like muscles and assertive personality
>if you have a cute nickname it invalidates your guerrilla war revolutionary resistance movement activities like trying to put an end to the occupation by a hostile foreign country
>17 years old game isn’t old!!!

The mental gymnastics you perform here are at Olympic level, impressive

>>154366260
No they’re not. We know the longer you take hormones the more it affects your performance and physical power. If it’s not unfair that some cis athletes are good simply because they won the genetic lottery and thus perform by default way better than those who have to train their whole lives to come even close to the same level of athleticism then you’re being a giant hypocrite when you start whining about transwomen. And it’s always just transwomen, you fucking weirdo losers never talk about transmen and seem to be entirely okay when you force them to compete against cis women. It makes no sense but bigotry never does, does it.

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>>154366252
I have a nonfunctioning pancreas due to an inherited autoimmune disorder; without insulin I will die of organ death due to microvascular damage I could not prevent through other diets or activities
You have a neurotic tantrum claiming you'll kill yourself if you aren't pandered to with hormones which still will not change your chromosomes, create organs you weren't born with or substantially alter the appearance that identifies you from several yards away
That's a "you" problem

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>off-topic tranny arguments move from TADC to Sandman
Mods don't get paid enough for this shit.

>>154366406
>simply because they won the genetic lottery
No, Phelps is the first to say he'd be a mediocre athlete if he solely relied on genetics, he occupies the place he does in sports because he trained every day, never gave up and never missed a practice. This is the fourth time you've had to read this and no matter how many times you try to imply he's a different species or gender it won't work.

>>154366517
They should be, in the other sense

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>>154366344
>uhhhh uhhhh gameplay doesn’t count!
Who are you quoting?
The point was that Tifa, much like any other fighting woman in the series, is not less feminine because she fights, especially since everything else about her very clearly underlines her being a woman. Which is why she slaps Scarlet instead of punching her, as forced as that may be.
Femininity does not mean "woman stays home and clean", no matter who told you what on your shitty social media. The authorial intent was still clear that Tifa was very feminine, as all other women fighters in the series at its peak popularity.

>if you have big tits you can’t have masculine traits like muscles and assertive personality
Tifa has neither, nor does Rinoa. You didn't actually play the games you're arguing about.

>it invalidates your guerrilla war revolutionary resistance movement activities
No, but it reframes them. Rinoa is not a frontline fighter nor she was the leader, her role in the Owls does not give her any masculine traits.
And don't think I'm ignoring the fact you mistook her for the leader.

>17 years old game isn’t old!!!
FF14 is 13 years old, it's should've been obvious what "old FF" meant. Again, you lack reading comprehension, likely due to your idiocy.

Don't delude yourself into thinking I don't know what you're trying to do. It's just that arguing semantics and using rhetoric, as dishonest as it is, is an actual skill that requires at least some intelligence, and you're absolutely lacking in all.

>>154366531
But all his opponents didn’t ever train hard? You do understand that your whole anti-trans athlete argument is based on the premise that simply by transitioning you have biological advantage that cannot be defeated, right? Under your logic cis women can’t train hard and beat a transwoman even though in real life we already have examples of transwomen losing to several cis women in a swimming tournament, with cis woman even beating a speed record that the trans swimmer couldn’t match because they placed FIFTH in their race.

>>154366406
>you fucking weirdo losers never talk about transmen
They don't attempt to compete with males in sporting events but go on /tv/ and tell them Elliot Page isn't a fucking embarrassment with their ab implants and zippertits

>>154366550
>FF14 is 13 years old

Lightning debuted in FFXIII that came out in 2009, fake fan. FF14 was another MMORPG

>>154366598
>because they placed FIFTH in their race
The standard for athletics isn't that you should have to compete with counterfeits
Get the fuck out of women's sports and quit clinging to Michael Phelps as your excuse

You're owed nothing more than an occasional incel fucking you in a dirty motel without murdering you afterwards

>>154366550
My dude, traditional, old gender roles literally means "woman stays home and clean". It does not mean becoming a martial artist. It doesn’t mean trying to overthrow occupying military force. It doesn’t mean going on a journey to defeat a world ending monsters. It does not mean rebelling against your parents and going on adventures. It does not mean waging war. You’re just a sexist weirdo who thinks big tits = feminine trait and end it at that. Because that is the extent of your intellectual capacity

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>>154366656
Another retard that can't read.
The point was comparing "old" FF titles by their age: if FF13 is old, then so is FF14 which only has a 4-years difference in release (and this without taking into account the first version of FF14). But I made clear that I wasn't talking about FF14 when talking about the "good ol' times", so anyone who isn't a complete mongoloid should have known I wasn't talking about FF13 either.

I must also add that I find hilarious that you pride yourself of your "fan cred" by simply knowing who Lighting is. Do you seriously think of yourself as a "fan" by knowing about one of the worst (if not THE worst) titles in the series? Not even just that, about knowing who the fucking protagonist is. How could you even think a guy who played the first titles wouldn't know about her?
Seriously, how deep does your retardation run? Can you tie your shoes?

>>154366703
Women competing against women. Trans women are women. There is no conflict here. Just bigot like you raging and spitting homicidal vitriol like usual and mixing it with your sick sex fantasies. It doesn’t take much for the mask to slip now does it, chud-chan?

>>154366720
If something isn’t considered old after 13-17 years then nothing is, boomer

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>>154366717
>traditional, old gender roles literally means "woman stays home and clean".
No, you think that because you think "traditional old gender role" equals "suburban mom from the US in the 50s", because all the "knowledge" you have is taken from social media and american pop-culture. A lot of women used to work, more so before the economic boom.
This, of course, while ignoring the fact that I rephrased what I said to better specify what I meant in a previous post.

>You’re just a sexist weirdo who thinks big tits = feminine trait
I'm not the one who turned mastectomy into a "movement to own le sexist male gaze", nor the one who's battling for pooners. This is another "leftist-pretends-to-not-understand.jpg" case.

>It doesn’t mean going on a journey to defeat a world ending monsters.
Also want to underline how pathetically funny you writing this is.
As we all know, traditional men used to just grab their swords and their cigars and venture into the green hills to go and fight the evil Demon Lord of the time.
You're so wrapped up in your bullshit you don't even know what you're saying anymore, it's hilarious.

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>>154366746
>If something isn’t considered old
You really can't do it, lmao.
The context was defining what "old FF" is, not what "old" is you cretin. I can call it "good FF" if you prefer.
Answer now: can you tie your shoes?

>>154366789
If a game is already closing in on being 20 years it is an old FF game and all you’re sperging about is how you personally don’t consider certain set of games “old” in the proper way because they weren’t part of your own childhood or whatever the stupid baseline is you’ve concocted in your head

>>154338480
Storytime?

>>154366812
The distinction was to separate what FF was as a series before turning into the shitty mess it currently is, "old" is a word like the other to distinguish that, but like I said I don't particularly care to hold onto it and have to problem using other terms. You still couldn't understand by yourself what the context of such a word was though, and no "u stoopid" retort can change that. You were literally too retarded to understand what the topic actually
was.
And you still didn't answer my question, I'll take that as a "no" then, as obvious as it was. I think you should learn that before being autistic about the usage of words, you can't wear slip-on shoes forever.

>>154356094
>i would never ever ever ever give up my culture war positions but you should to take up class war positions that benefit me far more than you

>>154366772
>A lot of women used to work, more so before the economic boom.

And those were largely domestic work at farms or being nurses, not adventuring, fighting wars, overthrowing governments, not slaying monsters, etc. which are all things women characters in FF games regularly do.

You’re just being incoherent and repeatedly having to admit you’re using wrong words

>>154338480
Ignoring modern identity politics discourse, I do find this to be touching. A person finding someone who appreciates them for who they are despite how weird and offputting the world tell them they are is just a timeless tale.

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>>154367136
>And those were largely domestic work at farms or being nurses
Working in the fields or as a nurse is still work and is still outside the home, the opposite of "literally meaning stay home and clean" as you said. You started off by a completely wrong assumption due to your own ignorance and stupidity, and are now trying to completely change what you're saying just to win the argument. Spoiler: it won't work. You said something false and stupid, I proved you wrong and you agreed in your first sentence of this post of yours. The argument is over and you were wrong, no amount of low-level rhetoric will change that.

>repeatedly having to admit you’re using wrong words
No, I did that only for the "old gender roles" phrase I used, which is funnily enough the one you're trying (and failing) to argue against, despite me "admitting to using wrong words".
If you're thinking of the "old FF" phrase it wasn't a wrong usage, but some autist who can't even dress himself without help from his mother got pedantic about it and I offered a compromise. But I wasn't mistaken there.

>>154367214
Working on your own fields is staying at home in the traditional sense, dumbfuck. It’s the opposite of going away and getting a non-traditional gender role job like being a soldier.

>>154366734
>Trans women are women.
They aren't.

>There is no conflict here.
There is, you being too stupid to know it doesn't change the fact it's there.

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>>154367284
>Working on your own fields is staying at home in the traditional sense,
We both know it's not "staying at home" in the literal sense, and as you pointed out it's not the only work they did. For someone so eager to point out someone else is "using wrong words" you sure are fine with not using them properly yourself.

Again, you were wrong and the argument was over when you agreed you were wrong (although you did that almost unintentionally, funnily enough). You're trying to pick apart the "weakest links" in my posts (which, as anyone can see, are becoming less and less as you try to point them out) just to win the argument.
Like I said, it won't work, because rhetoric actually requires at least some form of intelligence, and you're simply too stupid to do it effectively.

By the way, the reason I keep feeding you is to illustrate a point that is not pointed out enough in discussions about troons: they (you) are incredibly stupid and ignorant. We're talking near two-digits IQs here. It's not just about "mental illness", troons are genuinely dumb people, which is why they fall for the troon scam in the first place and why they try to propagate it so poorly.

>>154365782
I unironically get what you mean. You know how LoTR was written by a very classical, probably Burkean type Catholic conservative? He has the classic scene of Éowyn taking up arms to defend her home with the men and even killing the Nazghul king. Then after the battle is won and they all go home she never kills again and chooses to support life by being a healer. Women in conservative fiction tend to be able to and encouraged to fight to defend their homes and households (otherwise we wouldn't see brave stories of women doing just that) but otherwise mostly leaving it to the men to protect them.

>>154364943
We're starting to see the tail end of the trend I think. More people are identifying as "nb" (aka the half-step to full trannyism and still pretty stupid philosophywise but slightly less egregious) than as a straight up tranny.